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    Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/01/05/0...id=172&tid=218

    Slashdot goes at a big debate again.... Does anyone actually buy security arguments based on these vulnerability counts?
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    Linux's audio architecture is more like the layers of the Earth's crust than the network model, with lower levels occasionally erupting on to the surface, causing confusion and distress, and upper layers moving to displace the underlying technology that was originally hidden

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Linux

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...51231142317870

    has a good rebuttal to the argument, but I would also add in the fact that open source typically means that security vulnerabilities will get discovered (and therefore patched) faster and in the end you have a very secure product.
    Quote Originally Posted by tuxradar
    Linux's audio architecture is more like the layers of the Earth's crust than the network model, with lower levels occasionally erupting on to the surface, causing confusion and distress, and upper layers moving to displace the underlying technology that was originally hidden

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    Everytime someone comes out with a "Security" Article, I give it the usual eye roll, a quick look over and then lots of head slapping.

    The number of vulnerabilities is no way to tell how secure or insecure a system is, it's the scope and severity of those vulnerabilities that should be used to decide whether one system is more or less secure than another.

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    It starts getting really sad when newspapers and "tech columns" start using this information to formulate ridiculous claims and recommendations.

    I've worked with a few friends who are highly MS brainwashed, and recently it really did show. These are the people who'd tell you that Linux is more expensive than Windows, Firefox has more security issues than IE, and that their 25 AV+firewall+AT+AS setup is impermeable to even government hackers.

    I would consider them Windows gurus, but their understanding of the WMF vulnerability just appalled me. Their opinion is that it's a very minor and unrealistic threat that Linux people put out their to slander Microsoft. A quick demo exploit that deletes a preset folder quickly changed their opinions
    Quote Originally Posted by tuxradar
    Linux's audio architecture is more like the layers of the Earth's crust than the network model, with lower levels occasionally erupting on to the surface, causing confusion and distress, and upper layers moving to displace the underlying technology that was originally hidden

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    Linux/Unix (including Mac OS) had almost three times the number of OS-specific vulnerabilities reported last year compared to Microsoft Windows.
    Thats probably true. More reported vulnerabilities. But they get fixed on Unix. There are many many more windows ones not reported.

    But its really hard with these things to say what OS is more secure. The only person id trust with that is some super hacker.

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    I like the first few threads in that post.. they make a lot of sense (especially the first one).

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    "I'm sure all the GM, Toyota and Honda cars between 1970 and 1990 put together had more design flaws than the Ford Pinto, but this comparison is not relevant."

    ^i liked that

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    Quote Originally Posted by xequence
    Thats probably true
    Actually, I would go further to say that it IS true

    The thing is, everyone who reads these things need to take a step back and avoid leaping to the almost natural "thus Windows has become more secure than Linux" conclusion after looking at these figures.

    In addition, as you noted, it is phrased as REPORTED vulnerabilities.... heaven knows how many vulnerabilities are in the Windows codebase that MS isn't telling us... or don't know themselves....
    Last edited by jdong; January 5th, 2006 at 03:39 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by tuxradar
    Linux's audio architecture is more like the layers of the Earth's crust than the network model, with lower levels occasionally erupting on to the surface, causing confusion and distress, and upper layers moving to displace the underlying technology that was originally hidden

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    Be careful with that above statement:
    heaven knows how many vulnerabilities are in the Windows codebase that MS isn't telling us... or don't know themselves....
    The same can be said for Linux, Mac, BSD, Unix, Netware etc etc etc, the real issue is not that people compare Windows with Linux, which engulfs all Unix based or other systems, the problem is that Windows is much easier to analyse as a product due it's more limited product line, anyone attempting to compare Linux with Windows will NEVER succeed, because unlike Windows, Linux does not come in Media-Centre/Home/Pro and Server versions, it comes in thousands of different flavours, versions, colours, languages, can sport any design, logo or message you want. The only real way to measure the success of Windows vs Linux is to compare both the top 5 commercial and the top 5 community distributions against varying standard windows platforms (ie: XP Pro, Server 2003, XP Home, XP Media Centre).

    But anyone who reads these reports will soon realise that there is always going to be an anti-Linux or anti-Windows sentiment in any figures quoted, leading to conclusions that will only better support the writers views and opinions.

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    Re: Slashdot: *nix has more vulnerabilities than Windows

    [QUOTE=jdong]
    Quote Originally Posted by xequence
    Thats probably true/QUOTE]
    ...In addition, as you noted, it is phrased as REPORTED vulnerabilities.... heaven knows how many vulnerabilities are in the Windows codebase that MS isn't telling us... or don't know themselves....
    That is EXACTLY why no one should ever trust a closed source OS. For all the user knows, their name, address, social security number, bank account info, mother's maiden name and all other information that has ever passed through their Windows computer is sent back to Microsoft and added to a file/device that will sooner or later be sold, stolen or lost.

    We all have heard of how businesses have "lost" client account info - or had it stolen.
    Last edited by ardchoille; January 5th, 2006 at 03:41 AM.

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