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    Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    How to get rid of Evolution?

    Here's the problem:
    Several colleagues use Evolution for syncing their address books with their handheld device (Palm). They all use Thunderbird for email. So, no other reason exists to use Evolution.

    Given the problems with Novell and Microsoft, patents, helping Microsoft destroy Linux, I need to find another application suitable for an address book application that will sync with a Palm device.

    Suggestions, please.

    Related: There are some threads related to mono's tight integration in Ubuntu and the dissatisfaction with this. Is there any meaningful effort, plan, intent to get mono and related patent encumbered Microsoft stuff removed from Ubuntu?

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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardJZ View Post
    How to get rid of Evolution?

    Here's the problem:
    Several colleagues use Evolution for syncing their address books with their handheld device (Palm). They all use Thunderbird for email. So, no other reason exists to use Evolution.

    Given the problems with Novell and Microsoft, patents, helping Microsoft destroy Linux, I need to find another application suitable for an address book application that will sync with a Palm device.

    Suggestions, please.
    The old jpilot or kpilot apps? A bit long in the tooth, but that's what they were designed for

    Related: There are some threads related to mono's tight integration in Ubuntu and the dissatisfaction with this. Is there any meaningful effort, plan, intent to get mono and related patent encumbered Microsoft stuff removed from Ubuntu?
    Those threads can generally be traced back to a FUD site that makes up stories to get Google ad money. There was one blueprint filed with zero worthwhile technical content on removing Mono from base Ubuntu installs, and it wasn't given the time of day by a single relevant Ubuntu developer - Canonical has absolutely no concerns about Mono.
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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    As far as I'm aware, the "evil Novell" has given Evolution to the community (i.e. they no longer require copyright assignment of patches) and the current Evolution Mail maintainer, Matthew Barnes, appears to be from Red Hat. The addressbook maintainer appears to be from OpenedHand (which I think got bought by Intel recently?).

    Clearly such charity to the Free Software community reeks of evilness. Only evil companies would do such a thing!

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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    Evolution seems to be harder to remove (I saw a message on the gNewSense mailing list that says it was tough to remove without breakin' stuff.)


    If you'd like to remove mono:

    You can remove mono by removing libmono0. This is the root library all .NET applications require. Remove this package and you'll be prompted to remove all packages that depend upon it as well.

    For the record, I remove Mono from all my Ubuntu machines mainly to reduce installed footprint. I also have not found a slower Photo Manager than F-Spot. (I run older computers; fastest is a P3-850.) It took noticeably longer in 8.04 to transform and display images than gThumb. gThumb also imports images quite well.
    (8.10/9.04 may change things, YMMV, etc.)

    There are many other reasons to remove mono, but for now they are simply speculation as opposed to definite policy, and nothing has come of them.

    Someone had a good Tomboy replacement; I forget what it was. You should be able to find something digging in Synaptic; post it here once you do.

    --BK

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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by Benanov View Post
    You can remove mono by removing libmono0. This is the root library all .NET applications require.
    TECHNICALLY that's not correct. However, in practical terms, it happens that way on Jaunty and below. The libmono0 package contains a library called libMonoPosixHelper.so which almost all Mono apps people use require (as it's required for Linux-style Internationalization support).

    mono-common is a better target. Or mono-runtime on Karmic+
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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by Benanov View Post
    Someone had a good Tomboy replacement; I forget what it was. You should be able to find something digging in Synaptic; post it here once you do.

    --BK
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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    Apparently, from Fedora 12 onwards, Mono apps will no longer be included in live media:

    http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009...ra-drops-mono/

    They will, however, still be available in the repos.

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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    Regarding Tomboy alternatives:

    I'm in the process of creating a note-taking application. It's written in python and I'm aiming to make it better than tomboy (or gnote for that matter).

    It's far from finished, but I just thought I'd mention it anyway...

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    Re: Evolution, mono, patents contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by knopper67 View Post
    Regarding Tomboy alternatives:

    I'm in the process of creating a note-taking application. It's written in python and I'm aiming to make it better than tomboy (or gnote for that matter).

    It's far from finished, but I just thought I'd mention it anyway...
    That sounds good, how is it shaping up?
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