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    Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Update - SOLUTION in post #10


    Hi,
    I just got a brand new Dell XPS 13 with Windows 8 preinstalled.
    I would like to install Ubuntu 12.10 x64 alongside Windows 8 from USB.

    I downloaded Ubuntu 12.10 and put on a USB with the ubuntu startup disk creator program.

    I plugged the usb into the LH side USB port and stared the computer.
    From bios setup I tryed to disable secure booting as read somewhere but it keeps booting straight into W8.
    Then I enabled legacy boot order and in this way, by pressing f12 I can select USB to boot from. In this way I get a text bootloader menu and I select try ubuntu. After ubuntu desktop come up, I run the installer but when it comes to the setup mode screen, it does not detect any operating system installed and offers me to clear everything and install ubuntu.
    Is this due to the fact that I booted ubuntu in legacy mode? and if so, how can I boot in uefi mode and install it alongside windows 8? the documentation that i have read says that ubuntu 12.10 should support uefi booting even if secure mode.
    Can someone help me please?
    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by oldfred; February 1st, 2013 at 05:21 PM. Reason: Solution in post #10
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Hi, in the mean time I made some progress on this but I still have problems...

    I successfully managed booting ubuntu live usb in efi mode. To do so,

    I plugged the live USB into the lh side usb port (the rh side will not boot, no way!). Also do not use USB drive with the U3 feature as they will not be detected as bootable

    I went to bios settings and added a new boot option:

    Name: usb (or whatever you want)
    Device: first one listed, reading USB
    File: /efi/boot/bootx64.efi

    Secure boot mode is on (also tryied off)
    Boot options: uefi only (legacy disable)

    Whit these option, by pressing f12 and selecting USB from boot menu I sucessfully managed to get the ubuntu desktop up.

    However when I run the ubuntu installer and it comes to the installation type, it keeps sayng that no other operating system has been detected... and this is not what I want.
    I happens with both the "fast/rapid start" option enabled and disabled in the bios settings.

    Help please!
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    You have to turn fast boot option off. If left on and you cannot get into Windows you may not be able to get into UEFI menu.
    Best to turn secure boot off but leave UEFI boot on. Different systems do it with different settings. Some have secure boot off/on, Some have UEFI boot on which means secure boot off, but you do not want legacy/BIOS mode on.

    You will need to use the 64 bit version of 12.10 and from the UEFI menu boot the flash drive in UEFI mode. That way it will install in UEFI mode.
    Systems need quick boot or fast boot turned off in UEFI settings. Vital for some systems.
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI


    Grub has a bug in creating the dual boot entry for Windows, so you need Boot-Repair to create correct entries. Also if you already installed in BIOS mode Boot-Repair can convert to UEFI mode.

    Post the link to the BootInfo report that this creates. Is part of Boot-Repair:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Info
    Boot Repair -Also handles LVM, GPT, separate /boot and UEFI dual boot.:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
    You can repair many boot issues with this or 'Create BootInfo' report (Other Options) & post the link it creates, so we can see your exact configuration and diagnose advanced problems.
    Install in Ubuntu liveCD or USB or Full RepairCD with Boot-Repair (for newer computers)
    http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuSecureRemix

    Dell XPS 8500, desktop. Win 8 eventually worked (Ignore sidetrack to EasyBCD)
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2086383
    No EFI boot on Dell Inspiron One 2330 UEFI/BIOS update solved issues:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2086631
    For more info on UEFI boot install & repair - Regularly Updated :
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
    Please use Thread Tools above first post to change to [Solved] when/if answered completely.

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfred View Post
    You have to turn fast boot option off. If left on and you cannot get into Windows you may not be able to get into UEFI menu.
    Best to turn secure boot off but leave UEFI boot on. Different systems do it with different settings. Some have secure boot off/on, Some have UEFI boot on which means secure boot off, but you do not want legacy/BIOS mode on.

    You will need to use the 64 bit version of 12.10 and from the UEFI menu boot the flash drive in UEFI mode. That way it will install in UEFI mode.
    Systems need quick boot or fast boot turned off in UEFI settings. Vital for some systems.
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UEFI


    Grub has a bug in creating the dual boot entry for Windows, so you need Boot-Repair to create correct entries. Also if you already installed in BIOS mode Boot-Repair can convert to UEFI mode.

    Post the link to the BootInfo report that this creates. Is part of Boot-Repair:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Info
    Boot Repair -Also handles LVM, GPT, separate /boot and UEFI dual boot.:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
    You can repair many boot issues with this or 'Create BootInfo' report (Other Options) & post the link it creates, so we can see your exact configuration and diagnose advanced problems.
    Install in Ubuntu liveCD or USB or Full RepairCD with Boot-Repair (for newer computers)
    http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuSecureRemix

    Dell XPS 8500, desktop. Win 8 eventually worked (Ignore sidetrack to EasyBCD)
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2086383
    No EFI boot on Dell Inspiron One 2330 UEFI/BIOS update solved issues:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2086631
    Hi Oldfred, first of all thank you very much for your comprehensive post.
    Unfortunately I had already read most of that documentation but I still miss something...

    My current bios setting is
    Intel Smart Connect Technology off
    Intel Rapid Start Tecnology off
    Secure Boot off
    Boot menu type UEFI only

    With these settings, it only shows Hard Disk and Network Boot options in the boot menu if pressing f12
    So I added a boot option from the bios settings pointing to usb and setting /efi/boot/bootx64.efi

    my usb has ubuntu 12.10 x64 live on it. I-ve cheched with uname -m and cat /etc/lsb_release.

    Ubuntu live boots fine (I see grub 2.00-7ubuntu1). Then (here is the point where I get lost and confused) when I run the installer from the live desktop and I get to the installation type menu, I would expect and option saying that swindows 8 or other os have been detected and I can install ubuntu alongside them. Unfortunatelly I only get the option to clear the disk and install ubuntu (or manual partition mode), showing that windows 8 is not detected.

    So the big point is: where do I go wrong if the installer does not detect any os already installed and offer the option to keep them?

    Thanks!
    Last edited by lviggiani; January 25th, 2013 at 09:39 PM.
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Intel SRT uses RAID and the Desktop installer does not have the RAID drivers. You can uninstall RAID meta data on drive.

    Also turn off a fast boot setting. That by passes UEFI booting from keyboard and you can only get to UEFI menu from Windows. If Windows does not boot you may never get to UEFI to boot a repair flash drive or DVD.

    Dell XPS Intel SRT issue on hibernating post #25
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1932965
    Some info on re-instating details in post #9
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2038121
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2070491
    Disable the RAID, for me it was using the Intel rapid management thingy and telling it to disable the acceleration or the use of the SSD. If you have a different system, just disable the RAID system then install Ubuntu. Once installed you can then re-enable it.
    You will need to use the dmraid command prior to running the Ubuntu Installer so that it will be able to see the partitions on the drive because otherwise with the raid metadata in place it will see the drive as part of a raid set and ignore its partitions.

    Also shrink Windows with the Windows tools and reboot a few times so it can run chkdsk and make any other fixes it does on a resize.

    Windows 8 UEFI repair USB must be FAT32
    http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html
    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/For...-166dddf32205/



    For the Total space you want for Ubuntu:
    Ubuntu's standard install is just / (root) & swap, but it is better to add another partition for /home if allocating over 30GB.:
    If gpt(not MBR) partitioning include these two first - all partitions with gpt are primary
    250 MB efi FAT32 (for UEFI boot or future use for UEFI, you only can have one, so if already existing do not attempt another)
    1 MB bios_grub no format (for BIOS boot not required for UEFI)
    Ubuntu partitions - smaller root only where hard drive space is limited.
    If total space less than about 30GB just use / not separate /home or standard install.
    1. 10-25 GB Mountpoint / primary or logical beginning ext4(or ext3)
    2. all but 2 GB Mountpoint /home logical beginning ext4(or ext3)
    3. 2 GB Mountpoint swap logical

    Depending on how much memory you have you may not absolutely need swap but having some is still recommended. I do not hibernate (boots fast enough for me) but if hibernating then you need swap equal to RAM in GiB not GB. And if dual booting with windows a shared NTFS partition is also recommended. But you usually cannot create that as part of the install, just leave some space. Or partition in advance (recommended).
    One advantage of partitioning in advance is that the installer will use the swap space to speed up the install. Thanks Herman for the tip.
    For more info on UEFI boot install & repair - Regularly Updated :
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Hi, thanks again for your support.
    The instructions are not that straightforward to me as I'm not so expert, however it's a good challenge to learn more.

    I've read your links and done some more research. What I (believe) I understood is:


    I cannot expect Ubuntu installer to recognise win 8 and install in dual boot mode out of the box like in past systems not using UEFI

    The safer way to install ubuntu in dual boot mode is to relay on WIndows 8 boot loader.

    Basically steps to follow are:
    1) Shrink Windows 8 paritition to free some space (either from windows 8 or from ubuntu installer menu)
    2) From the Ubuntu installer, when it comes to partition mode, choose manual partition mode, create a logical partition on the freed space, inside that create:
    - ext2, 250mb, mont point: /boot, primary
    - ext4, almost all free space, mount point / (you may also want to create a separate partition for /home)
    - 4Gb swap partition
    3) Select the ext2 /boot partition where to install the boot loader.
    4) After installation completes, the system will reboot into windows 8
    5) On windows 8 download use the EasyBCD utility to create a boot entry for ubuntu

    At reboot the windows 8 boot menu should allow you to boot either w8 or ubuntu.
    (source)

    Will that approach work? Even with SSD?
    Thanks, Luca.
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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Hi,

    Thanks for the post @lviggiani, but it's not working for me.

    I get to the hold shift/restart/select USB part and then it just boots straight back into Windows.

    I've followed all the instructions and tried various combinations of things being enabled/disabled, but the only way we can get the USB to be recognised at all is to use the legacy mode boot.

    Has anyone else hit this block?

    Any ideas? Thanks/sorry/Linux n00b

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Quote Originally Posted by divydovy View Post
    Hi,

    Thanks for the post @lviggiani, but it's not working for me.

    I get to the hold shift/restart/select USB part and then it just boots straight back into Windows.

    I've followed all the instructions and tried various combinations of things being enabled/disabled, but the only way we can get the USB to be recognised at all is to use the legacy mode boot.

    Has anyone else hit this block?

    Any ideas? Thanks/sorry/Linux n00b
    Hi, I suggest you to check the followings:

    1) Ubuntu must be 64 bit version
    2) Ubuntu must be 12.04.2 or above
    3) Create the USB installer by ubuntu startup disk creator
    4) Try changing the usb port (left / right)
    5) Try with another USB stick (do not use sandisk cruiser usb drive with the U3 feature)

    I suggest you to try different USB drives as a couple didn't work to me as well.
    I hope this will help.
    Think

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    Hey,

    I'm trying to do this on my Dell XPS 12. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My problem is NOT that I can't install Ubuntu, but that it won't boot after install. Due to that I'm not able to to any boot repair stuff. Can somebody explain the important things so ubuntu boots after install?

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    Re: Installing Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on Dell XPS 13 Alongside Windows from USB

    You can run Boot-Repair from your live installer -DVD or Flash drive. Or you can download it as a Linux repairCD.

    Post the link to the BootInfo report that this creates. Is part of Boot-Repair:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Info
    Boot Repair -Also handles LVM, GPT, separate /boot and UEFI dual boot.:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
    You can repair many boot issues with this or 'Create BootInfo' report (Other Options) & post the link it creates, so we can see your exact configuration and diagnose advanced problems.
    LighterWeight (Lubuntu based) Boot-RepairCD
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/
    Full Ubuntu 13.04 liveDVD or USB Flash drive Installer with Boot-Repair included (for newer computers)
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxSecureRemix
    For more info on UEFI boot install & repair - Regularly Updated :
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
    Please use Thread Tools above first post to change to [Solved] when/if answered completely.

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