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Well indeed, MATE is going to be saddled with old 2.x era code, whilst GNOME forges ahead improving it for years to come.

I think you'll find it is possible to write extensions for gnome-shell in JavaScript. So in fact, it's far more customisable than any other GNOME.



Fallback mode has nothing to do with "classic...

It was already delayed for a year you know. No amount of delay would have stopped the ranting about GNOME shell.



Indeed, although we may be talking about GTK+ 4.0 actually.



That's...

You could say the same about the change from GNOME 2.30 to GNOME 2.32. Once 2.32.1 was out, it was dead. How could GNOME possibly carry on developing an obsolete version of GNOME whilst still working...

The passage of time. There was some stuff that couldn't be fixed in any 2.xx series while still being compatible.


Not quite true (3.0 had a fair number of architectural changes). However, it'd...

No matter what you think about Unity (I haven't used it, so won't comment), I suspect not having it as default would be too embarassing, especially with GNOME 3.0 out now.

I don't understand how Unity is GNOME's "fault". GNOME had nothing to do with it at all.

Well, gnome-shell is the main component of GNOME 3.0, so not having it seems rather pointless. However, I suppose you could use forced fallback mode, which is sort of 2.x like.

I don't know much...

I'm not sure how you can say that. GTK+ 3.0 is substantially improved in almost every possible way.



This is not correct, plenty of designers have been involved in the Shell design. The usual...

An awful lot of the things here are accent issues.



If that ever happens (I try my best to stop it), the world will be a very boring place. If there was one language, there would be one...

GNOME's never been in the business of giving people what they want as such. However, you can choose to not use GNOME if you wish, and that's good. Same goes for Canonical (one reason why Brainstorm...

And this is different to GNOME's past behaviour in what way?



The idea was that a no-library language would be good, since GNOME libraries basically cover everything. Also, Web developers know...

Fair enough, I don't expect everyone to agree.

Both Unity and gnome-shell *need* control of the window manager in order to do what they do.



This is interesting. It is my opinion that if the...

Not true. Bound to GObject yes, but that doesn't mean GNOME. Xfce use GObject libraries.

It's more fun writing a browser in JavaScript anyway.

I'm not quite being truthful. There is one match - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10575463

I'm sure I heard that claim on some blog being refuted.

I'm sure it could. All that GTK+ needs to do is send compressed images over to the browser, it doesn't care what browser you're using and on what OS. Of course, the server would need to be Linux.
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You must admit that's a fairly non-standard setup.




Link or it wasn't said. Gmane returns no results.



Out of interest, have the Unity developers implemented users' ideas?

This ignores the fact that Ubuntu contributions were never actually proposed until they were "finished", and now the issue of copyright assignment.



Compiz is not a KDE project.



It looks...

You'll be pleased to hear that this was just FUD.

It's called source code.

I realise that's not good enough, just kidding.

Imagine how much memory a browser in a browser would use.

Minimise makes no sense because there is no window list to minimise to. Maximise is debatable.

I'm surprised no-one has noticed that the shutdown option has been removed.

Unity requires compiz in the same way shell requires Mutter.



My understanding is that there's a patch (or patches) that need upstreamed first. Either upstream isn't willing or downstream...

Doesn't matter for me, I don't care about music.

I know, bad argument skills, but I'm not a politician.



Well I suppose that's the problem with this slightly odd business model. Unless they...