yesterday I was fighting a thread stack size limitation presented by a resent update to MS IIS. today I'm fighting BSODs caused by bad windows updates. it doesn't matter what platform you are on. Monday I'll be fighting whatever the day brings me, and thank goodness. if it all worked perfectly, I (and prolly RiceMonster as well) would be out of work.
You are missing a simple reality of software: many problems run deeper than they look, and are better fixed at their source. That means rewrites and new components. It would be impossible to “focus on fixes” without making new things.
Just relax and enjoy the ride.
Here are three suggestions:
They are ordered from least like Ubuntu to most like Ubuntu. I recommend trying Gentoo Linux first. It is only major distribution that puts its users in charge of its design. Unlike a distribution like Ubuntu, which is like a rock in how difficult its is to reshape, Gentoo Linux is like water because it can be induced to take any shape you want. You can customize any aspect of it to serve your purposes, from how software is built to how it is configured and it does as much as possible to stay out of your way during that process.
You might also want to try OpenSUSE, which is probably a good starter distribution for your friends. I imagine that is what you wanted Ubuntu 10.04 to be, with the exception that it is based on RPM packages rather than Debian packages.
The last option, which is probably the one you would be most comfortable using initially (although not in the long term in my opinion) is PCLinuxOS, which is also RPM based, but it uses the Debian package manager. Reputation wise, it would be advisable to use OpenSUSE over this for your friends. OpenSUSE is reputed to have more packages and much better KDE integration than PCLinuxOS.
That's why with my next computer I am getting in a week and a half, I am installing Arch. I wanted a rolling-release distrobution that combats the problem of devs having to race to meet the 6-month release cycle. Plus you know what caused the problem when you install a few packages at once. And you can restore your system to what it was before the update.
I also like Arch because of it's simpliity. But it will be a learning process to install it :)
Besides, if you want a rock-stable OS, use Debian.
You know, more often than not any Ubuntu related problems are actually either operator or hardware related. I'm willing to bet that at least 95% of the time problems can be traced back to "abusiveness" by operators who think that they know much more about computers than they actually do.
I don't know what your many problems or stability issues have been over the past who knows how many years, but I can tell you that I've installed Ubuntu now on over a dozen machines, ranging in age from unbelievably 9 years old, to new machines with Windows7. Not flavored down versions like Xubuntu or Crunchbang, but the real deal on every single machine. Well guess what ... I haven't experienced *ANY* major stability issues on any of those machines, regardless if laptop or desktop PC. As a matter of fact, I'll take that a step further and say that Ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04 have all 3 run more stable than any Windows versions that I've seen installed over any length of time (except for Win7 which I never plan to use). Considering the fact that I've built, upgraded, and repaired literally hundreds of Windows based machines, I think that's saying a lot.
Maybe you just need to learn how to use computers properly .... ???
Please don't say 'Windoze'Quote:
I've long since dropped
Usually you need one Windows computer for those special tasks, so It's okay if you still use it a bit ;)Quote:
and don't even have it installed on most computers, just ubuntu.
Many of us hope so.Quote:
I've held the vision of it being a serious desktop for worldwide use,
They usually will. If you see something not getting fixed, report it. If still nothing is happening, code it yourself or see if you can prod someone into coding a patch for the bug or issue. That's the beauty of open source. :)Quote:
and believed that the previous bugs would work themselves out over time.
Because major companies use Linux because it's sooo unstable. :roll:Quote:
Also I bought into the *myth* that linux is stable...
Ubuntu != Linux. Also, you really shouldn't try speak for everyone's experience, it's irritating. On that same coin I could say that Windows is so slow as to be unusable, when in reality it's just my old laptop running Vista. :PQuote:
a crappy myth because as far as I & MANY OTHERS are concerned, and as painful as it is for me to admit it, windoze even with its' many issues is far more stable and superior to ubuntu.
It's been pointed out that the devs rarely, if at all come here. I don't know why, but they don't. :PQuote:
For heaven's sake PLEASE STOP DEVELOPMENT ON NEW FEATURES AND JUST FOCUS ON FIXING THE MANY EXISTING PROBLEMS!!!
Reminds me of this XKCD comic: http://xkcd.com/306/Quote:
I used to like the idea of ubuntu trying new avantguard ideas in the distros, but now I am sick and tired of them, since they suck up the attention of the developers and thus the bugs that need attention never see the light of day.
I'm glad you acknowledge this.Quote:
Yes, these are my own opinions,
People who don't have the issues you're having tend to post about them less, so that's not entirely accurate.Quote:
however I have seen MANY MANY MANY posts of many other people voicing the same opinions.
It would be rude and improper for someone to.Quote:
So please don't blast me for speaking up here
'I may have these bugs, and I may complain about them, but I'm not going to see if 10.10 fixes them. Then I might actually not be able to complain about anything.'Quote:
I am just one voice of many. I can assure you that I couldn't care less about 10.10 release with all the new features promised, like idea-icons (or whatever they're called). I actually have zero intention of downloading 10.10.
'Let's focus all the dev efforts on making Lucid Lynx Debian Stable, so when the next LTS comes around all those new features will be poorly or half-implemented and I can complain once again that Ubuntu is unstable.'Quote:
What I WANT is to see heavy focus on 10.04.X. 10.04 is a nice looking feature rich distro, and for now we really don't need anything more... just STABILITY!!!
Once again... The devs don't hang out here...Quote:
Developers, please please please please please forget about new ideas and new features... PLEASE FOCUS exclusively upon fixing existing problems and making things stable.
Wait what? Are you mad?!Quote:
!!! FREEZE NEW DEVELOPMENT !!!
What issues have you had? Have you reported them?Quote:
I've been pushing ubuntu on all my friends for years, and have expected to make 10.04 the release that I would use to convert all my friends. Damn this release!!! I am so unhappy with it, experiencing daily frustrations with it myself, and the few times that I've tried to show my friends how "awesome ubuntu is" I've been left embarrassed, making lame excuses for ubuntu. ****, I am so pisesd that this distro which ought to have been the flagship distro to introduce the world to linux is so damn embarrassing.
And Ubuntu will lag behind Windows, Mac, and other Desktop oriented Linux distros.Quote:
1 - FORGET DEVELOPING NEW FEATURES
And Ubuntu will become DebianQuote:
2 - FOCUS ON STABILITY
AND UBUNTU WILL BECOME DEBIANQuote:
3 - FORGET ABOUT 10.10
AND UBUNTU WILL BECOME DEBIANQuote:
4 - FOCUS ON STABIITY
AND UBUNTU WILL BECOME DEBIANQuote:
5 - FREEZE NEW IDEAS
6 - FOCUS ON STABILITY
We're working on it. Please help us by reporting some bugs and maybe contributing a patch. :PQuote:
7 - JUST FIX EXISTING ISSUES
Also, have you considered Debian?
i agreed. focus on stability and fixes, please. i you want to stay up-to-date, why not switch to rolling release system instead of 6-months-reinstalling system?
i think that would be great. besides ubuntu, i use archlinux also, it is rolling release distro and very very bleeding edge that you will get updates everytime you fire up your machine. in the other hand, it is more stable and bug-less than my beloved ubuntu.