Synaptic going away in 11.10?

This is another stupid move in my eyes as USC STILL needs work, it still needs the ability to refresh package repositories WITHOUT use of commandline.
Ubuntu developers have all gone insane, no wonder why I want a new distribution to come in and shake things up.
Mageia is looking pretty good right about now, as is openSUSE, or the ubuntu spinoffs such as linux mint.

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Originally Posted by SunnyRabbiera

This is another stupid move in my eyes as USC STILL needs work, it still needs the ability to refresh package repositories WITHOUT use of commandline.
Ubuntu developers have all gone insane, no wonder why I want a new distribution to come in and shake things up.
Mangeia* is looking pretty good right about now, as is openSUSE, or the ubuntu spinoffs such as linux mint.

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Thanks for the info!

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Originally Posted by LowSky

I hate the Software center... its slow, and it hangs every time I try to use it. Plus trying to install a DEB used to be easy, you clicked on it and Gdebi handled the work, now it loads the software center and asks me dumb questions about trusting the source.

Synaptic is fast and pretty user friendly if you ask me.

I'm tired of buggy software being used in Ubuntu.

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I am sure you're right about the Software Center, it's slow-paced and the .deb packages have truly become a huge pain! I tried installing an application and it actually did not work! It'ts true that there will not be a Synaptic Package Manager in 11.10, as the new patch of Ubuntu Software Center 5 will upgrade the USC heavily. Hopefully it will include both in a huge speed of course! :KS

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Originally Posted by Ric_NYC

Thanks for the info!

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Spelling error on my part, also its a new distribution so I am bound to mess up the name.

Anyway another reason why this rings bad decision is dependency resolvent, something software center still REALLY lacks in

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Originally Posted by Linuxratty

But for how long!? First they take away my old,reliable Gnome and replace it with an over sized cell phone interface,now they take away my Synaptic!
What bloody next!? Yeah,I know it's easy as falling off a log to get it back,but that's not the point.What worries me is they will kill it.

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Canonical puts out a great product, but IMO the future of newbie-friendly distros is linux mint. Very, very easy to get a former windows user setup. If you dislike the direction ubuntu is going though, just do what I did and do a distro hop. Debian, mint, arch, they're all options, the first being somewhat newbie friendly and the second being very. Arch is basically like gentoo without compiling- build it from the ground up but it doesn't take 3 weeks to compile all your packages.

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everybody, stop being silly.

This was/is/always_will_be a distro that caters for people who haven't tried it yet.

That is the whole point.

That is bug no 1

That is what MS (Shuttleworth not microsoft) is trying to do. That is what he has always been trying to do.

The whole idea is to spread the word of free software, which, as we are all here, he seems to be doing well.

We are NOT being forced into anything. We never have been.

Ubuntu is a project that is trying to show the ordinary computer user that there is an alternative. Ubuntu, as it develops, will always try to make it as easy as possible for someone who knows nothing of the internal workings of an operating system etc to use it ------- why do you not see that?

At the same time, it will always be configurable so YOU can use it as you wish.

Whatever is on the cd does not matter.

For goodness sake ](*,)

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Originally Posted by FreeTheBee

With the risk of sounding elitist ;-) Are these really the users you want to target.

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In a nutshell, yes.

I really don't know why people get their panties in a bunch over this stuff. Their is so much choice and possibilities in linux and ubuntu, it makes my head spin.

Everybody has their own opinion of what should be default, and what should be developed. At the end of the day it's Shuttleworth's business, and he can do as he pleases. The man devotes his life to producing an operating system using his own money and give it to everyone for free. Sheesh! I feel we all owe him a debt of gratitude. He has single handedly moved linux forward by leaps and bounds that otherwise would not have happened at the rate it did.

If I don't like disro(X), I simply find one that suits me. No need for backstabbing and whining. Let's all wake up and concentrate on the important things like bug reporting, writing code, and contributing in some way. Posting in recurring discussions and arguing accomplishes little to nothing. Probably closer to nothing.

Every time ubuntu changes something that can be easily overcome, people flip out. I just don't don't get it. :confused: Are these things life changing or something? Am I missing out by not being upset over this?

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Originally Posted by nothingspecial

everybody, stop being silly.

Whatever is on the cd does not matter.

For goodness sake ](*,)

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Well said.



The only way to affect change is to get directly involved. Bottom line. Now let's all play nice and have a group hug.
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...s/GroupHug.jpg

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Originally Posted by nothingspecial

This was/is/always_will_be a distro that caters for people who haven't tried it yet.

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And a point should be made that it is also for the hard core user too. Just download the 12mb net-install and build it up from scratch. That's pretty advanced if you ask me. Ubuntu can work for all levels of users. That's the beauty of it. ;)

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Originally Posted by wolfen69

In a nutshell, yes.

I really don't know why people get their panties in a bunch over this stuff. Their is so much choice and possibilities in linux and ubuntu, it makes my head spin.

Everybody has their own opinion of what should be default, and what should be developed. At the end of the day it's Shuttleworth's business, and he can do as he pleases. The man devotes his life to producing an operating system using his own money and give it to everyone for free. Sheesh! I feel we all owe him a debt of gratitude. He has single handedly moved linux forward by leaps and bounds that otherwise would not have happened at the rate it did.

If I don't like disro(X), I simply find one that suits me. No need for backstabbing and whining. Let's all wake up and concentrate on the important things like bug reporting, writing code, and contributing in some way. Posting in recurring discussions and arguing accomplishes little to nothing. Probably closer to nothing.

Every time ubuntu changes something that can be easily overcome, people flip out. I just don't don't get it. :confused: Are these things life changing or something? Am I missing out by not being upset over this?

Well said.



The only way to affect change is to get directly involved. Bottom line. Now let's all play nice and have a group hug.
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...s/GroupHug.jpg

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Wow! Perfectly Said!

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Originally Posted by beew

I would think hardware and software support and lack of marketing would be a lot more important factors than Ubuntu being "too hard"(again too hard according to whom and what the target audience is) For one thing, nobody knows about Linux or Ubuntu, especially the demographic you are now trying to target and it is lost cause no matter how much you dumb down.

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Indeed, but Linux has a chicken and egg problem. We can't get good support and marketing from the OEMs until we demonstrate we've got a product that appeals to a wide market, and we can't get that product to a wide market to develop it into one that does without the support of the OEMs.

You may disagree with some details of Canonical's vision, but their overarching goal is get the Dells, Toshibas and HPs of the world to take a real punt on Ubuntu and ship it in quantity with a proper marketing push.

Continuing to produce a product which appeals solely to Linux's traditional geek user base will change nothing, and we'll be stuck at 1% forever. Some people are fine with that idea, of course. There will always be distros that cater to those folks. I think Ubuntu does a decent job of still doing so, but that may not always be the case.