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kelinu
November 18th, 2008, 08:47 PM
Ok, we've all had our whole..."Man, I really hate windows, I want it to burn up in flame" kind of moments. But have we ever had any moments were at some point Ubuntu would start playing up and you would just feel like virtually punching it in the face? Guys, be honest here!

Me, I would have to say yes. 8.04 was playing up so much at one point I got so frustrated I formatted.

That's that, let's get some replies :)

bobbocanfly
November 18th, 2008, 08:51 PM
Yes! Most recent occasion was when I could not get X to use a 1280x1024 resolution. I could get something like 1024x896, which on my 5:4 monitor, looked awful. I spent a good 3 hours messing about with Xorg.conf, before I have up and got the Nvidia driver from the Nvidia site. Finally managed to get it working, but not before almost ordering a new graphic card on the Internet.

Mason Whitaker
November 18th, 2008, 08:52 PM
It won't appear on my boot screen, only problem I've ever had with it.
Even then, its still Window's fault...

Swagman
November 18th, 2008, 08:53 PM
No.

But I HAVE got angry at my lack of aptitude at times.

I WILL learn this fekker !!

Then when I've learnt it.... a few months down the road I've forgotten what I learnt.

But thats my age ... I'm 47 and..... what were we talking about again ?

dorkdork777
November 18th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Yes! Trying to get it to play nice with nvidia restricted drivers on my outdated monitor and graphics card... it just plain wouldn't detect the resolution, so it defaulted to 800x600 (this was a little while ago). It took ages to figure out how to get it to 1280x1024, all the while I felt like punching the damn machine. :P

notwen
November 18th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Negative, but I've wiped it w/o backing up on multiple occasions. *wooo*

aeacides
November 18th, 2008, 08:58 PM
@Swagman -> hahahahaha , awesome ;-p

Yeah I've my little stories too (Grub, graphic cards, partial upgrades)...

That's probably why I love Ubuntu ;-p. It's like a girlfriend in a way ... erm...

anyway.

Ozor Mox
November 18th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Yes. While Ubuntu works absolutely flawlessly on my desktop, it has a few issues with my laptop, specifically with wireless networking. After upgrading to 8.10, the wireless kept cutting out every few minutes and it got so annoying my laptop almost ended up out the window! In the end I went for the less dramatic option of formatting and installing Debian. I was amazed to have actually got wireless and sound working in Debian (which weren't when it was first installed), but it still feels a little too hardcore for me, so I might give 8.10 another go. If it still misbehaves, a rollback to 8.04 is in order... I've also been considering Xubuntu or Kubuntu, or maybe sidux...

I feel really stupid when it takes me ages to make Debian work, especially when it is supposed to be easier than Slackware, Gentoo, etc.! :(

Giant Speck
November 18th, 2008, 09:09 PM
I had been using Kubuntu 8.04 since the first day of its release and everything was going great, but as the release of Intrepid loomed around the corner, I started noticing a whole bunch of problems with Kubuntu. It started slowing down drastically, CD-Rs wouldn't burn, and a lot of times Firefox would randomly freeze or shut down.

The only reason I upgraded was to hopefully fix this slowdown, and it worked, but this time I'm using GNOME instead of KDE. :)

slinkey1981
November 18th, 2008, 09:10 PM
When I installed 8.04, all it would do is 640x480 or 800x600... I edited xorg and got it to work like that, and then installed new nvidia drivers with envy, and it set it down to 640x480, which is a REALLY FREAKING TINY screen resolution.

If Ubuntu were a person, I would have punched him in the pills until he slipped into a coma.

I had a problem trying to empty my Trash, where it would just sit there with the little progress bar, not doing anything but taking up 99% of my CPU. Do you know how SILLY it is to have to restart (logging out didn't help) your system because you tried to throw away the trash?

Now, using aMSN gived my pc seizures when I get a cam invite, and Pidgin just decides that it doesn't want to work sometimes and closes itself.

Same goes for OpenOffice, random closes that may NOT be all that random, as they always happen after it auto-saves. But it still leaves you more than a little pissy, when you are writing, and then *POOF* the window is closed and it's not listed in the Window List.

It is not nearly as bad as XP or Vista were (for me) but it does cause enough immediate anger that I am surprised I haven't swung my keyboard at the monitor like a Tomohawk.

Cracauer
November 18th, 2008, 09:14 PM
The main things that Ubuntu screws up:

1) lousy, aka none, 32 bit support in the 64 bit install (inherited from Debian). Fedora does that much better, you can start a 32 bit Firefox right in a 64 bit install.

2) Use Xorg 7.3. OK, not really Ubuntu's fault either, but ARGH!

3) I think that the BSD's way of using /usr for core OS and /usr/local or /usr/pkg for all third-party junk is the better concept. Ubuntu shares with with almost all other Linuxes, but it would be in their power to correct it.

4) too much automatic hardware handling, starting from automounts for media. Too many subsystems on autopilot, none documented.

I guess it's really not too bad. Of course there are general Linux issues (either kernel or GNU toolchain braindeadness) where Ubuntu can't be excepted to act.

fatality_uk
November 18th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Honestly, no. I work with IT systems everyday and the minuscule issues that have been raised during my years with Linux pale into insignificance compared to the insanity that users bring to my desk day in and day out!

ghindo
November 18th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Kernel. Panics.

When I got one of those kernel panics in the middle of a class, while taking notes, I want to destroy Ubuntu.

Martje_001
November 18th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Yes yes yes. My onboard videocard only works with closed-source fglrx drivers and they crash from time to time :-({|=. Not that that is really Ubuntu's fault, but still..

Oh, and when showing Ubuntu to a friend.. I was just telling how stable it was when it CRASHED!

mrgnash
November 18th, 2008, 09:32 PM
No, not really... I have got fairly cross with elements of it though, like Pulseaudio.

cmay
November 18th, 2008, 10:01 PM
no.
but i 'once' had a printer that................

Dragonbite
November 18th, 2008, 10:06 PM
Yes, recently when I was trying to get my nVidia graphics card working in 8.10 when it is working fine in 7.07 right now!

Other than that, it has been a while since I was doing anything that Ubuntu didn't work and made me mad. That's a testiment to two things
Ubuntu is running solid
I have reduced my urge to "tinker" (I'm my own worst enemy) and focused on making a machine that will keep working so everybody in the house can sit down and now wonder what daddy did to $%^ it up again!

:lolflag:

Oh, and I forgot when my printer was not printing right and the colors were coming out weird. Ended up I needed to change the ink cartridge.

Giant Speck
November 18th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Yes yes yes. My onboard videocard only works with closed-source fglrx drivers and they crash from time to time :-({|=. Not that that is really Ubuntu's fault, but still..

Oh, and when showing Ubuntu to a friend.. I was just telling how stable it was when it CRASHED!

Ha! That's like whenever Bill Gates tries to show off Windows on national television and he gets a blue screen of death.

LateNiteTV
November 18th, 2008, 11:49 PM
i want to punch every distro that auto configures every single bit of the installation.
i use freebsd. :)

jerrylamos
November 19th, 2008, 12:30 AM
No. In particular, being on Ubuntu since Dapper Beta, Edgy, Feisty Alpha's, Beta, Gutsy Alpha's, Beta, Hardy Alpha's, Beta, Intrepid Alpha's, Beta - you get it, I'm a glutton for punishment.

I run dual boot. One boot that works and one test boot. That usually is enough but I have had an Alpha format all partitions on two hard drives blowing me out of the water except for backups of course.

Launchpad is full of bugs. Sometimes a developer is interested in a bug and works on it, sometimes they don't. Ever. Regardless of how bad the bug is.

Intrepid developers got me frustrated because if it doesn't boot on some machines at all, how on earth do they expect Ubuntu to get wider acceptance? Maybe they don't care.

I'm an ordinary user - email, internet news, news videos, office write & spreadsheet, digital photos.

There seem to be lots of developers out there with the latest high end hardware working on all sorts of fancy eye candy and neat features. Unfortunately, all that stuff can and does break Ubuntu for us ordinary users. Launchpad bug #259385 for example.

Now I can just drop back to tha last running Ubuntu. The users that are really screwed are the ones with one boot and do an upgrade like from 8.04 Hardy to 8.10 Ubuntu and it doen't run. At all. Ubuntu doesn't support a downgrade from a broken upgrade.

Jerry

eternalnewbee
November 19th, 2008, 01:24 AM
Ok, we've all had our whole..."Man, I really hate windows, I want it to burn up in flame" kind of moments. But have we ever had any moments were at some point Ubuntu would start playing up and you would just feel like virtually punching it in the face? Guys, be honest here!
Yes, we've had our moments, but there's nothing like a good fight to keep a healthy relationship going:lolflag:

cardinals_fan
November 19th, 2008, 01:26 AM
My parting with Ubuntu was peaceful and nonviolent. I moved to Zenwalk, which led me down the path of Slackware.

Bigneil
November 19th, 2008, 01:30 AM
Yes.

natedawg
November 19th, 2008, 02:08 AM
Yes!

I have felt like sucker punching Linux in general. The lack of good applications is what kills me. I'm still searching for a decent video editor and don't get me started on photo editing. Linux really needs to step it up for artists of all kinds. I guess I'm looking for MAC like application support with the customization and command line of linux.

OutOfReach
November 19th, 2008, 02:12 AM
No actually, I have never felt that way before. Or if I did I don't remember.... I can always count on Ubuntu (and Debian) to provide an out-of-the-box OS. That's why I still use them, occasionally.

cardinals_fan
November 19th, 2008, 02:19 AM
I have felt like sucker punching Linux in general. The lack of good applications is what kills me. I'm still searching for a decent video editor and don't get me started on photo editing. Linux really needs to step it up for artists of all kinds. I guess I'm looking for MAC like application support with the customization and command line of linux.
I won't argue with the video editing, but what's wrong with the GIMP? You can do quite a lot with it...

aeiah
November 19th, 2008, 02:21 AM
i was annoyed when my HDTV took 3 minutes to configure in windows, including the overscanning issue, and took be about 10 days in linux :p its one of the reasons im still using 7.10. i just cant bring myself to go through the turmoil all over again if a copied xorg.conf doesnt work on a fresh install.

apart from that most of my frustrations are from back in 2005 and i cant remember too many of them. wireless was a bitch, but then it still is for some people, 3 years on.

Crusty Juggler
November 19th, 2008, 02:28 AM
no.
but i 'once' had a printer that................

http://www.goodcleantech.com/images/OfficeSpace.JPG

DOS4dinner
November 19th, 2008, 04:05 AM
ATI Radeon 9800. Need I say more?

For the most part, not really. If ATI/Nvidia/the rest of the companies would write real, high quality drivers, it would probably be perfect.

Now, my windows partition...Let's just say a five-minute boot-up really gets my goat.

BunnyGirlDoom
November 19th, 2008, 07:36 AM
For me it was networking and graphics. I had 8.04 installed and the network was fine (even if it took a couple of tries to connect). Then I upgraded to 8.10 and there was no network connection, nor was there a visibly Network Manager. I finally found a site that suggested running nm-applet in terminal, and voilą! Took me a about a day of cursing, drinking and cursing some more...

Just this evening I finally sorted out my old geforce2 card issues and am also now able to select Desktop Effects. Initially, Geforce wasn't being seen even when Ubuntu tried to install drivers for it. Then my screen would go all wonky and squished dramatically to the left side of the monitor. That was fun. I was about to give up on it tonight when it suddenly just worked.

So yeah. I've wanted to not only punch the little heathen, but had also considered maiming it.

hanzomon4
November 19th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Yes!

I have felt like sucker punching Linux in general. The lack of good applications is what kills me. I'm still searching for a decent video editor and don't get me started on photo editing. Linux really needs to step it up for artists of all kinds. I guess I'm looking for MAC like application support with the customization and command line of linux.

That sounds like..... Ah!!!! OS X

But yes I want to beat the crap out of Ubuntu

kaldor
November 19th, 2008, 12:28 PM
I feel like punching Ubuntu daily when firefox crashes, the whole system freezes, and when applications (skype etc) just close for no reason. I had a perfectly stable OS,then some updates come out. I am thinking it was the kernel. Since that, I have been very unhappy with Ubuntu (Windows crashes less than this, it is like ME all over again). Been using Ubuntu and loving it for months, but since that update in early October I have felt like breaking my laptop almost daily.

:(

macogw
November 19th, 2008, 12:44 PM
There seem to be lots of developers out there with the latest high end hardware working on all sorts of fancy eye candy and neat features. Unfortunately, all that stuff can and does break Ubuntu for us ordinary users. Launchpad bug #259385 for example.
1. You realize -proposed is intended for people to test updates specifically so developers know whether their fix is safe...right?
2. That bug is marked as Fix Released.

Cracauer
November 19th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Another general Linux thing is Blender.

It's nice that we have a powerful 3D editor, but that thing is so damn hard to use. I'm not sure there are many of any people who went to start working with Blender before using a simpler 3D editor (on Windows or Mac) before.

This situation isn't optimal.

Private_Ops
November 19th, 2008, 03:21 PM
No..

But I have felt like punching Suse sometimes. Our computers in my classes lab (Local Vocational School) run Suse 11. Well, we get the job of setting them up and half the time the drivers (a mix of ATI and Nvidia, mainly ATI 9550s) NEVER work. The drivers on my assigned computer just flat out died the other week and I can not for the life of me figure it out.

I'll give ubunutu one though, on my assigned computer I can boot an Ubuntu 8.04 live disc and the ATI drivers work right off the bat (Why can't Suse get the freakin idea to do the same!? No instead they include a bunch of useless crap on the DVD).

kelinu
November 19th, 2008, 03:34 PM
I feel like punching Ubuntu daily when firefox crashes, the whole system freezes, and when applications (skype etc) just close for no reason. I had a perfectly stable OS,then some updates come out. I am thinking it was the kernel. Since that, I have been very unhappy with Ubuntu (Windows crashes less than this, it is like ME all over again). Been using Ubuntu and loving it for months, but since that update in early October I have felt like breaking my laptop almost daily.

:(

Hey, thats almost like me...I installed some latest updates and after it starting gettimg problematic...

I have the 8.10 being shipped right now, looking forward to seeing it, hope it fixes a lot of probs 8.04 had.

hessiess
November 19th, 2008, 04:36 PM
wheneaver I have to install something without a package manager

aaaantoine
November 19th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Ibex keeps pausing on me with sporadic CPU load. I think there might be something wrong with the kernel. It's frustrated me a number of times nearly to the point of anger.

When I was younger, I once proposed moving a file from the hard drive to a floppy disk, and then destroying the disk as a method of getting rid of the file.

kelinu
November 19th, 2008, 06:03 PM
When I was younger, I once proposed moving a file from the hard drive to a floppy disk, and then destroying the disk as a method of getting rid of the file.

oookaaaaay, interesting story - whats it got to do with the topic?

Dragonbite
November 19th, 2008, 07:50 PM
wheneaver I have to install something without a package manager

I had that joy last night with installing TrueCrypt on Fedora (in other words, from source). Ubuntu .deb is available so my Ubuntu installation has it nice and running smoothly so far.

S0VERE1GN
November 19th, 2008, 08:01 PM
yes.

trying to program apache server settings in nano :cry:

with no real programming experience

i figured it out eventually

mikewhatever
November 19th, 2008, 08:09 PM
OK, let's get out before I insult someone and get an infraction.

aaaantoine
November 19th, 2008, 08:29 PM
oookaaaaay, interesting story - whats it got to do with the topic?

It seemed relevant when I wrote it.

I was so angry at the file not behaving that I wanted to physically destroy it, and that was the best way I could think of to do it. Keep in mind I was maybe 10 years old at the time.

hessiess
November 19th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I had that joy last night with installing TrueCrypt on Fedora (in other words, from source). Ubuntu .deb is available so my Ubuntu installation has it nice and running smoothly so far.

the biggest annoyance with Linux is trying to install something from source, which has tonnes of dependancys:(

lukjad
November 19th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Ok, we've all had our whole..."Man, I really hate windows, I want it to burn up in flame" kind of moments. But have we ever had any moments were at some point Ubuntu would start playing up and you would just feel like virtually punching it in the face? Guys, be honest here!

Me, I would have to say yes. 8.04 was playing up so much at one point I got so frustrated I formatted.

That's that, let's get some replies :)
I usually get so mad, I dream about installing Automatix just to get even. :p

(Take that you st00pid PC!)

xpod
November 19th, 2008, 09:13 PM
I`ve never punched Ubuntu but i once booted Windows,or the Computer Windows was on anyway.

emshains
November 19th, 2008, 09:21 PM
I pretty much hated it when it came with pulseaudio. The thing that pisses me off the most, is when I've installed a bunch of packages through aptitude, to solve one or two problems, and then, I can't remember why/what I installed new packages!

Corfy
November 20th, 2008, 04:42 AM
Ubuntu? Not really.

Debian? Yes.

My first install of Linux on my computer was Debian 3.1 Sarge (at the time, it was "unstable", but went stable a few months later).

When I downloaded the CDs, I basically had two options, x86 and 64-bit AMD. I chose the i386, since I didn't have a 64-bit system. (OK, there were a lot more options than that, but those were the two most relavant.)

So, I went through my first install of Linux and... it was terrible. The system took forever to boot, it wouldn't recognize my mouse (which I discovered later was more an issue that it didn't recognize any USB device), it would lock up on me, and it refused to shut down properly.

I spent two weeks reading forums, doing Google searches, and trying everything and everything to get it working right, because I knew this couldn't be right.

Finally, someone suggested I try an older kernel to see if that fixes my problem, so I started looking through the list in Synaptic.

And there it was, a "k7" kernel for 32-bit AMD systems, which is what I was running at the time (AMD Athlon XP 1400+). I installed that, forced a shutdown, and restarted. And voila, my computer ran perfectly.

I was thrilled to have a working system, but I wanted to hit someone for the wasted two weeks getting my system to work. When I tried Ubuntu later that year, it didn't require me to load a k7 kernel, so I happily switched from Debian.

I did have some problems getting my wireless card to work on my previous laptop, but I blame that more on on the wireless card than Ubuntu.

AmericanYellow
November 20th, 2008, 04:53 AM
Yes! Yes! Yes! I actually slammed my laptop on the floor last week cuz I couldn't get VNC running.

My laptop, Hp tx1220us has had compatibility problems from the get go and with every upgrade something that I spent hours trying to fix just gets broken again. But I've finally gotten all the essentials up and running in Intrepid and couldn't be any happier. I feel that I am that the point where I can completely abandon Windows. :guitar:

The_Dark_Lord
November 20th, 2008, 05:11 AM
yes, i had problems with 8.04 resulting in a few reformats but it seems im not the only one. I think 8.04 could be the windows version of vista???

slinkey1981
November 20th, 2008, 05:26 AM
yes, i had problems with 8.04 resulting in a few reformats but it seems im not the only one. I think 8.04 could be the windows version of vista???

8.04 is the smoothest running version of Ubuntu I have used to date. Not saying that I don't have occasional problems (usually self inflicted). But it's much better to me than either 7.10 or 8.10, I think I'll be sticking with it until 9.04. (at least)

I know not everyone likes Hardy, but it just seems like butter to me.

The_Dark_Lord
November 20th, 2008, 08:50 AM
8.04 is the smoothest running version of Ubuntu I have used to date. Not saying that I don't have occasional problems (usually self inflicted). But it's much better to me than either 7.10 or 8.10, I think I'll be sticking with it until 9.04. (at least)

I know not everyone likes Hardy, but it just seems like butter to me.

oh it is now, havent had any problems with it in a while now but i had problems for a while after it was released

Dragonbite
November 20th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Yes! Yes! Yes! I actually slammed my laptop on the floor last week cuz I couldn't get VNC running.

My laptop, Hp tx1220us has had compatibility problems from the get go and with every upgrade something that I spent hours trying to fix just gets broken again. But I've finally gotten all the essentials up and running in Intrepid and couldn't be any happier. I feel that I am that the point where I can completely abandon Windows. :guitar:
You may want to invest in a solid state drive.. less chance of it shattering when you drop it on the floor!
:lolflag:

gerowen
November 20th, 2008, 09:19 PM
As a system admin for a very large company that runs Windows XP, I have learned to LOATHE Windows. When I turn from my work computer to my personal Ubuntu box, I feel like I'm taking a break and my day gets a little bit better.

I've had a couple of those times, none with 8.10 so far except maybe that my wireless card and webcam weren't picked up right away, but let's face it, in regards to "Out-of-the-box" functionality, Linux passed Windows a LONG time ago. Windows still doesn't recognize most of the hardware you install it on without next installing all of the drivers. Most of my problems came from when I had an NVidia card back in 6.something and it set the PCI address in Xorg.conf to that of the on-board Intel card. So via CLI I had to edit xorg.conf to use the proper PCI address before X would start. I also had an issue where none of the versions would even install on this machine, even in CLI mode it would randomly crash for some reason. It works fine now that I've tried 8.10.

If I had one wish for Ubuntu, I wish I could get a solid 30 fps when playing World of Warcraft with Wine, :-)

fredscripts
November 20th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Yes! Most recent occasion was when I could not get X to use a 1280x1024 resolution. I could get something like 1024x896, which on my 5:4 monitor, looked awful. I spent a good 3 hours messing about with Xorg.conf, before I have up and got the Nvidia driver from the Nvidia site. Finally managed to get it working, but not before almost ordering a new graphic card on the Internet.

Exactly the same happened to me.

lisati
November 20th, 2008, 10:41 PM
. It's like a girlfriend in a way ... erm...

anyway.
Or wife?


Honestly, no. I work with IT systems everyday and the minuscule issues that have been raised during my years with Linux pale into insignificance compared to the insanity that users bring to my desk day in and day out!
It's amazing how many problems can be solved by asking people what is showing on the screen.

OK, let's get out before I insult someone and get an infraction.
Or an infarction? (I'm under doctor's orders to stop smoking, it seems I got off lightly last year with the unexpected and unplanned visit to one local hospital's cardiac unit. Or was it to help prevent cigarette ash and other assorted muck clogging up the keyboard?)

alfredborg
December 5th, 2008, 09:40 PM
Yes! Trying to get it to play nice with nvidia restricted drivers on my outdated monitor and graphics card... it just plain wouldn't detect the resolution, so it defaulted to 800x600 (this was a little while ago). It took ages to figure out how to get it to 1280x1024, all the while I felt like punching the damn machine. Ihave been playing around the resolution thing for 2 days, replaced 3 video cards. Felt like busting the motherboard and tower.

dannytatom
December 5th, 2008, 09:54 PM
I never did until a few days ago when trying to hook up a different monitor. It's resolution is SUPPOSED to go up to 1680x1050, but all Ubuntu wants to give me is 1024x768. I didn't punch ubuntu, but I punched a few pillows. >:

Dragonbite
December 5th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Yes! Trying to get it to play nice with nvidia restricted drivers on my outdated monitor and graphics card... it just plain wouldn't detect the resolution, so it defaulted to 800x600 (this was a little while ago). It took ages to figure out how to get it to 1280x1024, all the while I felt like punching the damn machine. Ihave been playing around the resolution thing for 2 days, replaced 3 video cards. Felt like busting the motherboard and tower.

I was trying to get Intrepid installed on a Dell desktop with nVidia graphics and it didn't detect it with the hardware drivers. I struggled with it for a while.

When I tried Hardy on another machine with the same card, it showed up in the restricted drivers section which is easy enough to install from.

I don't know, but if I feel brave I may install Hardy, install the drivers and then immediately do an upgrade and see if it keeps the drivers it finds in Hardy.

slinkey1981
December 5th, 2008, 10:19 PM
I retract my previous statement about Hardy....

I recently killed my computer, it happens... But I had forgotten just how much of a pain in the butt it can be to install the fricken nVidia drivers! I don't use the "Restricted Drivers" because I am sooooo bleeding edge (not really) It's just that my computer seems to like the BETA drivers (180.08) from the nvidia site, better than it likes the ones included with Ubuntu.

Why oh why must I run through the same 14 million extra steps to get a resolution above 800x600? It's mind boggling. Every time I say, "You know, I think I'll get the drivers included to work, cause then when I have to build the kernal again, my computer won't FREAK OUT!"

I punch my monitor though, because YES. LINUX (not just the buntu) MAKES ME ANGRY!

magmon
December 5th, 2008, 10:41 PM
Yes, trying to install java lol. I googled EVERYWHERE, and found huge masses of code for older versions of ubuntu which didnt work in the 8.10 terminal. Finally I got to the point where, I hate to say, I wanted to go back to vista. But then I realized my stupidity, and installed Java 6 from synaptic, and saved myself from Mr. Gates.