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Mazza558
November 16th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Given that many parts of the Linux architecture are designed with speed in mind, what Linux programs/components really don't have an excuse to be so slow compared to software available elsewhere?

My list goes as follows:

- OpenOffice - Compared to MSOffice, it's pretty slow and cumbersome in places (then again, it is competing against the best software MS have ever made in my opinion).

- ATI drivers - You know a proprietary driver absolutely fails when even Vesa is much faster at rendering in 2D. Vesa is absolutely blazing fast compared to other options. The Open Source version isn't much better - these drivers make an entire distro feel slow and laggy.

I'd mention more, but I suspect their lagginess is only due to the abysmal ATI drivers.

cardinals_fan
November 16th, 2008, 10:16 PM
I've thought about making this myself for quite a while. Here are some of my complaints:

* OpenOffice, aka the rainbow of languages. Some of the slowness and bloat in OOo strikes me as quite deliberate. Now that Abiword can handle equations (and I type my other docs in html), it's goodbye, OOo.

* F-Spot, the image organizer that uses your RAM because it can. gThumb is so much faster, and does most of the same things.

* Firefox, Vulpes bloatus. I use it for Vimperator, but this fox could use a diet.

* Nautilus, because file managers really shouldn't manage the desktop. Just use emelfm2.

* gnome-terminal, for those times when you want a GUI for your CLI. The amount they've packed in here is simply ridiculous.

Grant A.
November 16th, 2008, 10:21 PM
I've thought about making this myself for quite a while. Here are some of my complaints:

* OpenOffice, aka the rainbow of languages. Some of the slowness and bloat in OOo strikes me as quite deliberate. Now that Abiword can handle equations (and I type my other docs in html), it's goodbye, OOo.

* F-Spot, the image organizer that uses your RAM because it can. gThumb is so much faster, and does most of the same things.

* Firefox, Vulpes bloatus. I use it for Vimperator, but this fox could use a diet.

* Nautilus, because file managers really shouldn't manage the desktop. Just use emelfm2.

* gnome-terminal, for those times when you want a GUI for your CLI. The amount they've packed in here is simply ridiculous.

Terminal (just terminal, folks) > gnome-terminal
Firefox isn't that bad, and you can cut out the bloat via certain extensions.
Mirage > F-Spot
ROX-Filer > Nautilus
Vi > OO.O (IMO)

The best thing is all of these programs don't bundle with a ton of stuff you will never end up using.

cardinals_fan
November 16th, 2008, 10:23 PM
Terminal (just terminal, folks) > gnome-terminal
Firefox isn't that bad, and you can cut out the bloat via certain extensions.
Mirage > F-Spot
ROX-Filer > Nautilus
Vi > OO.O (IMO)

The best thing is all of these programs don't bundle with a ton of stuff you will never end up using.
Absolutely. I have a software section on my blog listing my favorites, and I want the following:
* Stability. I donít have any interest in using broken-down and unstable software. If it doesnít work, come back when it does.

* Have a job, and do it. I want an app that aims at one clear goal. If it can accomplish others, thatís great; but I use software to fulfill a specific purpose. Once that goal has been selected, I expect the app to accomplish it. Work well, or donít bother.

* Minimal is good. I like an app that is lightweight and only uses what resources are needed to accomplish its task. A minimal app with few dependencies is good. Pulling in half of KDE to insert a character isnít.

* Donít treat me like an idiot. I donít like apps with condescending interfaces, or help messages straight from a Telletubbies episode.

* A minimal look is also good. Apps with interfaces that are simple, clean, and easy on my eye are good.
By the way, what do you mean by "Terminal"? Xterm?

RiceMonster
November 16th, 2008, 11:36 PM
Yep, OpenOffice.org takes forever to start up. I don't like it, but I use it because It's most compatible with MS Office and it's got a powerpoint program.


Vi > OO.O (IMO)

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Vi and OpenOffice have two completely different aims.

cardinals_fan
November 16th, 2008, 11:44 PM
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Vi and OpenOffice have two completely different aims.
Vim + HTML > OOo Writer

How's that?

Cracauer
November 16th, 2008, 11:45 PM
NVidia's binary drivers are actually even slower on some newer (high-end) cards and some 2D. Over at nvnews people beat up the developers constantly. They do a good job for 3D, though.

OpenOffice? You guys must be kidding, right? The whole concept of the monolithic do-all GUI applications prevents them from being fast.

Now, Mozilla, with it's layer over layer and let do some in Javascript (WTF?), that's an unwarranted slowdown. I always wondered what would have happened if they gave us the Navigator 3.0 code in addition to the bloatware. The world would look different now.

cardinals_fan
November 16th, 2008, 11:55 PM
OpenOffice? You guys must be kidding, right? The whole concept of the monolithic do-all GUI applications prevents them from being fast.

Unlike the OpenOffice devs, I don't feel that more languages make better code.

klange
November 17th, 2008, 12:04 AM
OOo needs a good kick in the ***. It's a leading open-source app that doesn't act like one. I guarantee a real GTK or QT interface would yield a major performance boost.

Pidgin tends to be pretty slow as well.

e: If I'm going to be censored anyway, I'll use the other word...

billgoldberg
November 17th, 2008, 12:16 AM
Firefox is slow as hell on my Asus Eeepc.

Opera and Epiphany perform as they should.

Also on the Eeepc, whenever downloading a torrent using transmission, everything slows down.

I'm going to use Deluge tomorrow instead and see if that helps.

The same apps on my desktop don't have those problems.

--

Note: I've given up on Open Office. Yes it was slow to start up, but now they are putting in ads it's all over.

Abiword is all I actually need, and it's ultra fast.

zmjjmz
November 17th, 2008, 12:20 AM
Open Office is nonetheless faster than MS Office (2007 that is).

I find that even though Kazehakase should be light, it's still too slow on some of my older computers.

binbash
November 17th, 2008, 12:25 AM
openoffice is faster than ms office if you do some tweaks.

Firefox 3.0.4 was slow for me (yah i can feel it) but after switching to 3.1 it is fast now.

cardinals_fan
November 17th, 2008, 12:35 AM
Open Office is nonetheless faster than MS Office (2007 that is).

I find that even though Kazehakase should be light, it's still too slow on some of my older computers.
Kazehakase runs great on my old box *shrugs*

KiwiNZ
November 17th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Here is an idea

Instead of griping here , get involved with the projects and work on them getting faster.

Remember these are projects generally done by volunteers in their spare time , the effort they put in should be respected and recognised:mad:

cardinals_fan
November 17th, 2008, 12:47 AM
Remember these are projects generally done by volunteers in their spare time , the effort they put in should be respected and recognised:mad:
OpenOffice.org receives sponsorship (both cash and time) from Sun Microsystems and Novell. Firefox is sponsored by the nonprofit Mozilla Corporation, which receives significant income from Google deals.

zmjjmz
November 17th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Kazehakase runs great on my old box *shrugs*

Is your box a 400MHz Celeron with 32MB RAM?

hanzomon4
November 17th, 2008, 01:07 AM
Here is an idea

Instead of griping here , get involved with the projects and work on them getting faster.

Remember these are projects generally done by volunteers in their spare time , the effort they put in should be respected and recognised:mad:

Note: Preface all complaints with heaps and heaps of praise....

cardinals_fan
November 17th, 2008, 01:11 AM
Is your box a 400MHz Celeron with 32MB RAM?
No, but I'd be running CLI-only with links on that thing :)

init1
November 17th, 2008, 01:13 AM
Vim + HTML > OOo Writer

How's that?
Vi doesn't have spell checking and can't open .doc files.

zmjjmz
November 17th, 2008, 01:37 AM
No, but I'd be running CLI-only with links on that thing :)

Heh, I run Damn Small Linux with JWM on it and use Dillo for browsing. But Dillo doesn't have J/S or CSS support D:

CholericKoala
November 17th, 2008, 01:45 AM
Open Office is nonetheless faster than MS Office (2007 that is).


office 2007 is stinking fast for me. Opens in less than 1 second and saves files very efficiently and compressed.

cardinals_fan
November 17th, 2008, 01:52 AM
Vi doesn't have spell checking and can't open .doc files.
Vim does have spell checking: http://tips.webdesign10.com/vim/how-use-vims-spellchecker

For those rare cases when I need to open a .doc, I use Abiword.

Heh, I run Damn Small Linux with JWM on it and use Dillo for browsing. But Dillo doesn't have J/S or CSS support D:
I figure that by the time you use Dillo, you should just go text-only :)

chucky chuckaluck
November 17th, 2008, 01:53 AM
Vim does have spell checking: http://tips.webdesign10.com/vim/how-use-vims-spellchecker

For those rare cases when I need to open a .doc, I use Abiword.

I figure that by the time you use Dillo, you should just go text-only :)

dillo supports porn. text browsers do not.

Exershio
November 17th, 2008, 02:46 AM
dillo supports porn. text browsers do not.

You seem to be forgetting ASCII porn. :)

binbash
November 17th, 2008, 02:49 AM
You seem to be forgetting ASCII porn. :)

:lolflag::lolflag::lolflag:

Grant A.
November 17th, 2008, 03:23 AM
By the way, what do you mean by "Terminal"? Xterm?

According to the Arch package repository, it is the XFCE terminal.

doorknob60
November 17th, 2008, 03:32 AM
According to the Arch package repository, it is the XFCE terminal.

Dang you beat me to it, I was gonna say that :-P I use Terminal too, I liked lxterminal but it wouldn't let me scroll up enough to even see my pacman search results sometimes :O Terminal opens in an instant, it's light, it has only a few dependencies, and supports tabs and pretty much everything the heavier terminals like gnome-terminal and konsole :-)

cardinals_fan
November 17th, 2008, 04:22 AM
According to the Arch package repository, it is the XFCE terminal.
Ah, yes. Xfterm4 is pretty good. I like Sakura for playing greed and urxvt for everything else, but xfterm4 is reliable.