View Full Version : Like the OS but have to stick with windowz
phrogman35
November 30th, 2005, 04:28 AM
Nice interface and would love to make the switch but have to say too many hours spent trying to configure the OS to work with hardware. Everything from sound issues to networking. Although windowz has its faults, It's alot easier to set up. :(
aznboi
November 30th, 2005, 04:45 AM
the networking isnt too hard... sound issues, i havent had so far... the only thing i say for having to have windows is software...
Qrk
November 30th, 2005, 05:07 AM
Sorry to see you go. Try posting some of your problems here. Sound problems usually have easy fixes, but networking could be trickier.
etc
November 30th, 2005, 06:18 AM
Stick with whatever OS is best for you.
kairu0
November 30th, 2005, 06:30 AM
Ubuntu takes longer to set up than Windows for me, too.
On the other hand, Windows gives me a lot more headaches.
Chippendale
November 30th, 2005, 06:36 AM
...and a lot more freezing up during the windows xp login screen...well at least for me :D
aysiu
November 30th, 2005, 06:40 AM
Although windowz has its faults, It's alot easier to set up. :( Translation: I had one bad experience, so I think Windows is easier.
Windows has its faults, but most Windows users never have to set up Windows, anyway.
It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has ever had more difficulty setting up Windows because most people do not ever have to set up Windows.
benplaut
November 30th, 2005, 06:56 AM
^^what he said...
go with what works best for you, but let it reside in your concience that you've never actually set up windows
kairu0
November 30th, 2005, 08:15 AM
let it reside in your concience that you've never actually set up windows
He never actually said that. Maybe he has set up Windows.
I've set up both and I say Ubuntu is harder. But don't interpret this as a flame; I like Ubuntu and I'd really resist any temptation to go back to Windows.
angkor
November 30th, 2005, 08:24 AM
He never actually said that. Maybe he has set up Windows.
I've set up both and I say Ubuntu is harder. But don't interpret this as a flame; I like Ubuntu and I'd really resist any temptation to go back to Windows.
It's all a matter of perspective and knowledge. It takes me a _lot_ longer to set up a Windows box properly (including drivers and progs) than an Ubuntu system.
purdy hate machine
November 30th, 2005, 09:40 AM
Personally I found that the initial setup of my Ubuntu OS was time well spent when you consider how maintenance free Linux is. Now when I turn on my PC I can just use it instead of being constantly nagged to install updates and re-boot, scan for viruses/spyware/adware, defrag…ect.
GeneralZod
November 30th, 2005, 09:46 AM
It's all a matter of perspective and knowledge
...and hardware. Out of my two different SATA drives, TV card, bluetooth dongle, scanner, wireless card, PDA, printer and associated peripherals and other gubbins, only one driver needs to be installed under Linux, and that's if I want 3D acceleration. And even then, it only takes about 10 seconds - I don't even have to download it myself! :)
If you have the right hardware, installing Linux is damn-near effortless (from a hardware point of view, at least). Otherwise, it can be hours of work before everything functions correctly, if at all. I guess a lot of it comes down to whether you either get lucky with your hardware (as I did with everything but the wireless card and bluetooth) or are willing to buy specifically for Linux compatibility (as I did with these two items). Not everyone is lucky, and not everyone is willing to spend hours (but not usually many extra £'s) searching for known compatible stuff.
phrogman35
November 30th, 2005, 05:54 PM
I hope to see this OS mature in the near future. I would love to set it up on one of my PC's,just cant spend that kind of time setting up an OS right now Love the concept however.... Keep up the good work!
:KS
angkor
November 30th, 2005, 07:46 PM
...and hardware.
True, and I got lucky :)
I hope to see this OS mature in the near future.
I'm not trying to be vicious or anything, but if you have trouble setting up a Linux system, it doesn't automatically mean it isn't 'mature'. It probably just means you don't know anything at all about the OS and that is why it's so hard for you. But hey....come back and try again sometime..:)
ps Read the sticky Aysiu wrote in this section of the forum. I'm definately not saying you're a troll but it is a good read nonetheless.
slade_slater
November 30th, 2005, 09:37 PM
Ubuntu is much easier for me to set up than Windows. Of course, I have never once had a hardware issue with it... Everything has worked flawlessly. So it installs with all hardware functional (Windows will not do this on my PCs, I usually almost always have to hunt down drivers for audio, video, and networking). It installs with most of the software I need already on it, and a few apt-gets later it has everything I need. But again, unlike you, I have never had hardware issues. I suppose if I did I might feel less inclined to use it...
aysiu
November 30th, 2005, 09:56 PM
I'd say most people's experiences fall into one of five categories:
1. Never installed Windows. Assumed Windows was easy to set up. Installed Linux and it seemed a nightmare. Conclusion: Linux is difficult.
2. Installed Windows but somehow lucked out or found some proficiency in tracking down drivers. Installed Linux and didn't luck out and got frustrated by learning curve. Conclusion: Linux is difficult.
3. Never installed Windows. Install Linux and everything just worked. Conclusion: It's all easy. What's the big deal?
4. Installed Windows and had a nightmare experience trying to figure out what drivers to get and how to track them down from reliable sources. Installed Linux and had it go relatively seamlessly (maybe having to edit a config file or two). Conclusion: Linux is way easier than Windows. People just think Windows is easy to install because they don't install it themselves.
5. Installed Windows and it was difficult. Installed Linux and it was difficult. Conclusion: Installing any operating system can be easy or difficult depending on luck and hardware support and compatibility.
My personal experience has been #4, but I can see how #5 is probably closer to the truth beyond my own experiences. People extrapolate based on anecdotes. They don't really have extensive scientific studies on the ease of installation of any operating system.
I'm a very practical person, and I truly believe that you should install a new operating system only if:
a) you consider yourself a lucky person
b) you have time to deal with problems as they come up
c) you make time to deal with problems as they come up
xequence
November 30th, 2005, 09:56 PM
Dont let the people mad at you for not using linux annoy you ;)
Use what you want as long as it works for you and you are happy.
To me both windows and linux work great. Sure, there are many things I dont like about both - Windows has little bursts of extreme slowness while linux is constantly (not as extremely) slow.
They both work for me.
aysiu
November 30th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Dont let the people mad at you for not using linux annoy you ;)
Use what you want as long as it works for you and you are happy. No one's mad at anyone for not using Linux. It's statements like
Although windowz has its faults, It's alot easier to set up. that are infuriating perpetuations of falsehood that do not respect user choice and assume Linux users are masochists.
Turgon
November 30th, 2005, 10:22 PM
I remember having some sound troubles with hoary because my webcam was detected as a sound card. Other than that I havn't had any hardware troubles. Most off these issues are fixable, so if you tell us about your porblem or if you use some time to search in the forum im sure that you will find a solution.
The easiest thing would be to switch back to windows, but my hours of pain in linux was a great investment and today I am a happy linux user. It might turn out this way for you too.:)
xequence
November 30th, 2005, 11:08 PM
No one's mad at anyone for not using Linux. It's statements like
I guess I really didnt mean it like that, I sort of meant it not that linuxers are mad at windows users, but dont seem to be all that happy that someone switched back to windows. I dont know, I forget what I was thinking an hour ago when I posted that ;)
To me both linux and windows need you to be good at technical things to use. For linux its a must, and for windows you need to know how to if you dont want your computer to get bogged down and degraded over time. (I must say, linux rocks with this. Windows is super fast at first then gets slower and slower, unless you really know how to maintain it)
aysiu
November 30th, 2005, 11:21 PM
I agree with that.
If people want to switch to Windows, let them switch back.
It's the uninformed bitterness that bothers me.
sapo
November 30th, 2005, 11:27 PM
Tip: Next time you upgrade your computer buy something already compatible with linux.
I installed Ubuntu in 15 min, everything here works out of the box, cause i chose carefully before buying, so i dont buy crap that just works in windows.
Danielle
December 1st, 2005, 12:02 AM
i'm a linux newbie and i know ubuntu is far easier to setup then windows this is what i do to setup windows
format
install os
install SP2
install FW
configure FW
goto WU
install drivers
install patches (safexp, wwdc.exe, gibson software, secureit, hardenit and afew more)
install AV
install AT
install AS
install backup AV
install backup AT
install backup AS
install sandbox
update the 7 above
install registry protection
turn off services
turn off netBios
install auto-defragger
install Sun Java
lock down IE
install Opera
change the way it logs on
setup reduced privileges account
that's just what i can remember off the top of my head, and yes miss maybe even one of those and you can do it all again :D what fun.
how is that easier then setting up Ubuntu :confused:
erikpiper
December 1st, 2005, 12:24 AM
Because setting up windows is disgouraged, and linux is mandatory (to set it up)
GreyFox503
December 1st, 2005, 12:44 AM
Tip: Next time you upgrade your computer buy something already compatible with linux.
I installed Ubuntu in 15 min, everything here works out of the box, cause i chose carefully before buying, so i dont buy crap that just works in windows.
This is very important and perhaps overlooked.
Virtually all hardware you buy will work with Windows (who would make a hardware product that wouldn't??), but not all manufacturers bother to write linux drivers.
For someone who is converting, they probably already have a PC, and their hardware may or may not work will with Ubuntu. In some cases, this may prevent a switch altogether. If the switch can be made, however, then future compatibility is as easy as researching before you buy something new (mostly).
I got lucky. I don't have a pre-fabbed computer, its was assembled by me. Out of dumb luck, every single component I purchased was supported under linux. I think back to around this time last year when I bought a new video card. I couldn't really decide which company I liked better, and ended up choosing nvidia arbitrarily.
Now, I continually think how obvious the decision was now that I'm "linux-ified." (It's my new word) But I could have just as easily bought an ATI, which might have prevented me from sticking with Ubuntu and I might not be here today at all. (I mean, in the linux world.)
So the point is, have some sympathy for those who bought incompatible hardware for linux before they try to use it. They had no clue that kind of thing might happen.
aysiu
December 1st, 2005, 01:21 AM
It's sort of like moving to meat-eating country before you realized you were going to end up being vegan.
Danielle
December 1st, 2005, 01:37 AM
So the point is, have some sympathy for those who bought incompatible hardware for linux before they try to use it. They had no clue that kind of thing might happen.
i knew my hardware wasn't compatible but it didn't bother me at all, it took time but i fixed it.
my first post/thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91898)
it doesn't prove too much but it shows if you want to use Linux there's nothing stopping you. some peole have valid reasons, but it's probably a good thing it puts some people off at the beginning rather then a few months down the road.
gord
December 1st, 2005, 02:22 AM
when i first got my ubuntu disk and started to install i geared myself up for a setting up and fixing stuff marathon... then everything worked... so i had a gamecube marathon instead -_-
GreyFox503
December 1st, 2005, 09:55 AM
when i first got my ubuntu disk and started to install i geared myself up for a setting up and fixing stuff marathon... then everything worked... so i had a gamecube marathon instead -_-
One of my best experiences with Ubuntu was like this one. It was after I installed and configured the system to my liking.
My friend gave me an old TV tuner card (PCI) that I was going to try out, but I had been putting it off because I didn't feeling like dealing with the hassle I knew was coming.
So I finally set aside about 1-2 hours to work on it, slapped the card in, and fired it up. After about 10 minutes of research (knowing nothing about the card except the manufacturer), I was able to install one small program (from the repositories) and it worked instantly. :)
Then I spent the rest of the allotted time using my tuner card to play Halo on my monitor. :)
kairu0
December 1st, 2005, 11:09 PM
It's sort of like moving to meat-eating country before you realized you were going to end up being vegan.
The hole in that analogy is that Linux should be hospitable for everyone IMHO.
Vlammetje
December 1st, 2005, 11:13 PM
I am one of those people with some hardware that isn't doing exactly what I want it to do yet... like a sound card :razz:
Still.... apart from the sound card, which I've also had to set up on my windows partition btw, everything works really really well, straight away. After my windows install a few things I remember doing were installing drivers for my onboard network connection (WTF?, the rest of the mobo was apparently supportd??), my AV... obviously, configure my PC to notice my router and the internet connection... and many more but even after having reinstalled it three times in 7 weeks (so I like to tinker...:razz: ) I can;t remember the exact routine!
Linux: also have a coupla reinstalls, diff distros and replacing LILO by Grub.... but no hardware configuration needed anywhere at all... except for the b%#$@%$##% soundcard! Which... if it doesn;t start behaving soon, will find itself replaced by a more linux friendly product.... until then i keep testing different settings and configs... maybe one works for all speakers without the static....
Anyway... to cut a long and seemingly pointless story short: for me both OS's have presented a few challenges, one has had many challenges whicvh were all fixed after some effort, one has one challenge that has not been resolved after weeks of varying effort put into it.... which is better? Depends on your point of view I guess...... but I cannot give up Ubuntu just coz my sound card is of the $#%$!@^&%$& variety!
poofyhairguy
December 1st, 2005, 11:33 PM
Anyway... to cut a long and seemingly pointless story short: for me both OS's have presented a few challenges, one has had many challenges whicvh were all fixed after some effort, one has one challenge that has not been resolved after weeks of varying effort put into it.... which is better? Depends on your point of view I guess...... but I cannot give up Ubuntu just coz my sound card is of the $#%$!@^&%$& variety!
Sounds like you need a cheap PCI soundblaster card.
Vlammetje
December 1st, 2005, 11:36 PM
LOL. you read my mind, I was asking you this precise quesy\tion at the same time in another thread! :D
todomartinez
December 1st, 2005, 11:44 PM
I've been messing with the livecd version for a few weeks, but I have not done anything other than surfing the web and a little word processing with my laptop. I finally took the plunge and installed a dual boot setup. I'm getting pretty comfortable with it. But, I'm having issues setting up my networked printer (I've posted issue on a different thread). As soon as I get that going, I'm thinking of making the switch on all of my other two computers at home. I thought I was going to have an issue hooking up to my wireless router, but that was a breeze. Heck, even the sound works. I haven't felt this giddy about an operating sytem since OS/2 Warp!
ewtesterman@cox.net
December 1st, 2005, 11:51 PM
Nice interface and would love to make the switch but have to say too many hours spent trying to configure the OS to work with hardware. Everything from sound issues to networking. Although windowz has its faults, It's alot easier to set up. :(
I had felt the same way, then I found this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80295 I would recommend that one try this before they give up on Ubuntu. I have to admit that I personally use both Windows and Ubuntu (Primarily Ubuntu). I found that to make Windows worth using took about 12 differnt 3rd party software utilities and hours with TweakUI. With Ubuntu I installed it, setup ndiswrapper and then ran Automatix as referenced above. Agian to each his own.
aysiu
December 2nd, 2005, 01:28 AM
The hole in that analogy is that Linux should be hospitable for everyone IMHO. Linux is veganism in my analogy. Meat-eating country is the Microsoft-dominated desktop computing world.
So if you're saying the vegan in the meat-eating country should be more hospitable... huh? What's your point? My point was that if you turn vegan after you move to the meat-eating country, you're going to have a hard time finding food that fits your diet.
Likewise, if you become a Linux user after you've already bought Windows-only hardware...
xequence
December 2nd, 2005, 03:39 AM
Virtually all hardware you buy will work with Windows (who would make a hardware product that wouldn't??), but not all manufacturers bother to write linux drivers.
Most hardware works with windows, but alot of hardware isnt supported by a clean install of windows. (As in you need to install drivers).
prizrak
December 2nd, 2005, 11:37 AM
Well here is a Linux vs Windows thing when it comes to configuration. My Ubuntu installs on both machines work like a charm from the getgo takes about an hour to install and config stuff to my liking (mostly codecs and shortcuts, though Easy Ubuntu makes it less time now). Windows takes me over two hours as I prefer to install programs and drivers when I do a non OEM install then later clean up the OEM's crap (such as drivers that come with 3-4 programs that ALWAYS run even though they are not needed for the thing to work....). Overall I would say that it is kinda hard to say which is easier to get running, on the one hand Linux supports a good amount of generic hardware out of the box (even wi-fi worked) but Windows does have drivers for everything. If your piece of hardware doesn't work under Linux out of the box it can be a huge pain in the butt, however if some of your hardware isn't supported by Windows it might not install. Example would be SATA controllers you need to run a driver install in the beginning of the setup for Windows, and they need to run of floppy's however most new machines don't come with floppy's :)
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