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handy
October 21st, 2008, 11:10 PM
I used to do a little site development for a couple of customers some years ago. I used Dreamweaver & bought a copy of StudioMX 2004 whilst my daughter was at university, as I could use her student card & get it really cheap.

The type of sites that I developed were really simple brochures.

I have started developing a site for my self yesterday, so I installed Dreamweaver from the Studio CD onto my Mac, as it has both windows & Mac versions on the same disk. Anyway when I put in the activation code it checked on the web & knocked me back! Telling me I had to phone in. So I jumped through hoops & eventually got to talk to a person from Adobe, who obviously have bought out their competition, who told me that I had already installed this software on a windows machine & was not allowed to install it on another without buying an upgrade!

I told him thank you very much, but I will find a solution on the torrents, & hung up.

This seems to be really stretching their license to me. I will never under any circumstance ever give adobe money.

So I found passwords on the torrents to unlock my legally bought software & stumbled around to make a page. Shooting over to Arch on the same machine to use FileZilla (wow is it better than CuteFTP used to be) to put it up.

That's the background, now to the question:

What is the simplest to learn piece of GUI based web design software to run on Linux distro's? I need no more than a brochure type site.

Thanks in advance.

dracule
October 21st, 2008, 11:25 PM
I used to do a little site development for a couple of customers some years ago. I used Dreamweaver & bought a copy of StudioMX 2004 whilst my daughter was at university, as I could use her student card & get it really cheap.

The type of sites that I developed were really simple brochures.

I have started developing a site for my self yesterday, so I installed Dreamweaver from the Studio CD onto my Mac, as it has both windows & Mac versions on the same disk. Anyway when I put in the activation code it checked on the web & knocked me back! Telling me I had to phone in. So I jumped through hoops & eventually got to talk to a person from Adobe, who obviously have bought out their competition, who told me that I had already installed this software on a windows machine & was not allowed to install it on another without buying an upgrade!

I told him thank you very much, but I will find a solution on the torrents, & hung up.

This seems to be really stretching their license to me. I will never under any circumstance ever give adobe money.

So I found passwords on the torrents to unlock my legally bought software & stumbled around to make a page. Shooting over to Arch on the same machine to use FileZilla (wow is it better than CuteFTP used to be) to put it up.

That's the background, now to the question:

What is the simplest to learn piece of GUI based web design software to run on Linux distro's? I need no more than a brochure type site.

Thanks in advance.

Eh, Dreamweaver CS3 is pretty good. I code most javascript/CSS things on my own, but dreamweaver is really good for changing colors and what not I havent really gotten into all of the things dreamweaver can do, it just is available to use on my school's campus.

handy
October 22nd, 2008, 12:10 AM
Eh, Dreamweaver CS3 is pretty good. I code most javascript/CSS things on my own, but dreamweaver is really good for changing colors and what not I havent really gotten into all of the things dreamweaver can do, it just is available to use on my school's campus.

Do you run Dreamweaver under Wine or Crossover?

As I am looking to use Arch as my base to build my website from, not Leopard, as I find Arch a much more comfortable place to be, due to my being able to easily control the size of all of the fonts for starters. :lolflag:

[Edit:] I just checked & my version of Dreamweaver is known not to work in Crossover. :-(

S0VERE1GN
October 22nd, 2008, 12:28 AM
I would like to know an answer to this as well!

Web design on linux seems to me to be something that should be out there, as linux makes and excellent web and file server. it only makes sense to have a decent web design program to compliment these abilities!

Saint Angeles
October 22nd, 2008, 12:34 AM
bluefish is a great text editor...

using a CMS system like drupal is a great way to make a site quickly.

MasterNetra
October 22nd, 2008, 12:35 AM
I prefer to use notetab light most of the time. I'm hunting around for stuff in linux that will make my life easier though :/

djsroknrol
October 22nd, 2008, 12:36 AM
I'm using Kompozer now...it's the closest thing I've found to the feel of Frontpage and it's Synaptic.

-grubby
October 22nd, 2008, 01:02 AM
I hate wysiwg editors with a passion.. I recommend you learn (X)HTMl and CSS from http://www.w3schools.com/.

EDIT: Of course, you still can use one if you want.

LaRoza
October 22nd, 2008, 01:03 AM
Here is the FAQ about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=787071

klange
October 22nd, 2008, 01:11 AM
I write most everything in gedit these days. Used to use Notepad++ back on Windows.

nalmeth
October 22nd, 2008, 01:13 AM
I've heard NVU is a good alternative to Dreamweaver.


using a CMS system like drupal is a great way to make a site quickly.
Joomla is another good CMS

Le-Froid
October 22nd, 2008, 01:24 AM
I usually use Geany.

Grant A.
October 22nd, 2008, 01:49 AM
I just build websites in Kate. It's a great text-editor with syntax highlighting. I have never been a fan of WYSIWYG editors.

EDIT - I use Vi/ViM if I have to.

super.rad
October 22nd, 2008, 02:16 AM
Another vote for bluefish, great program

Corfy
October 22nd, 2008, 02:45 AM
I've heard NVU is a good alternative to Dreamweaver.


Joomla is another good CMS

Nvu was created using the code from Mozilla Suite. So the old suite was broken up into separate programs, Firefox, Thunderbird, and Nvu (although Nvu wasn't a Mozilla product, it was actually maintained by the same company that made Linspire). Unfortunately, Nvu isn't developed anymore, and hasn't been in the repositories since at least 6.10.

KompoZer, however, picked up where Nvu left off, and it is found in the repositories. Unfortunately, they haven't had a new release in over a year.

snova
October 22nd, 2008, 02:45 AM
I believe NVU is no longer maintained. KompoZer, a fork, is its functional replacement.

dracule
October 22nd, 2008, 02:54 AM
Do you run Dreamweaver under Wine or Crossover?

As I am looking to use Arch as my base to build my website from, not Leopard, as I find Arch a much more comfortable place to be, due to my being able to easily control the size of all of the fonts for starters. :lolflag:

[Edit:] I just checked & my version of Dreamweaver is known not to work in Crossover. :-(

I just use Dreamweaver in Wine. Works perfectly. I just pointed it to my window install. However I did need to move over/download a couple of .dll's from the interenet into ~/.wine/drive_c

JasenGroves
October 22nd, 2008, 02:57 AM
Notepad will always be the greatest web site builder. :guitar:

dracule
October 22nd, 2008, 03:01 AM
Notepad will always be the greatest web site builder. :guitar:
with a one layer undo? yeah... dont think so, i prefer to be able to undo more than just one action.

Delever
October 22nd, 2008, 03:01 AM
Well, because my sites are usually with dynamic content, I use text editor.

Bluefish fails highlighting my php+html+javascript, so I use Quanta.

LaRoza
October 22nd, 2008, 03:03 AM
Here is the FAQ about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=787071

Funny this life. All the ones mentioned here are in that list.

Delever
October 22nd, 2008, 03:06 AM
Funny this life. All the ones mentioned here are in that list.

Yeah, I am sorry I mentioned something :lolflag:

xphlo
October 22nd, 2008, 04:10 AM
I started out with eclipse-PHP. With a javascript plugin, it handled most features well (highlighting, auto-complete, reference lookups).

But once you start to get it in your head, and you know when and what you want, nothing beats a familiar text editor. (vim would be my choice)

Grant A.
October 22nd, 2008, 04:11 AM
But once you start to get it in your head, and you know when and what you want, nothing beats a familiar text editor. (vim would be my choice)

+1 IMHO, WYSIWYG editors completely take the learning out of HTML/CSS.

Corfy
October 22nd, 2008, 04:19 AM
+1 IMHO, WYSIWYG editors completely take the learning out of HTML/CSS.

Unfortunately, it seems that HTML/CSS are so 1990s. It seems like all the websites are moving to PHP, Python, Java, Perl, Ruby on Rails, .NET, Flash, etc. HTML only sites are starting to seem... quaint.

handy
October 22nd, 2008, 04:28 AM
I own & have read the Teach Yourself HTML 4.0 in 24 hours book.

Don't want to get back into the book & relearn that stuff.

I also don't want to create the best website in the world.

What I do want is easy quick & pleasing results.

Thanks to a previous post that recommended Drupal, which I've just spent some time reading about.

I found this site:

http://opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=509&Itemid=1&catid=68

Which has many Content Management Systems (CMS) available for people to read about & try out. You just scroll down the left hand column & you will see all of the CMS's available for investigation.


It looks like Website Baker (http://start.websitebaker2.org/en/introduction.php) will very likely fit the bill for me, & there is a new version on its way as well.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Delever
October 22nd, 2008, 04:28 AM
Unfortunately, it seems that HTML/CSS are so 1990s. It seems like all the websites are moving to PHP, Python, Java, Perl, Ruby on Rails, .NET, Flash, etc. HTML only sites are starting to seem... quaint.

Your sentence fails somewhat. PHP, Python, Java, Perl, Ruby on Rails, ASP.NET all generate HTML in automated way. Flash is embedded in HTML code. What browser receives is tons of HTML, it does not care what generates HTML. Exception is Java applets, Flash, Silverlight. Some area in HTML page is assigned to them, and rarely the whole page.

So.. not so quaint.

Right click -> View Source.

Grant A.
October 22nd, 2008, 04:31 AM
Your sentence fails somewhat. PHP, Python, Java, Perl, Ruby on Rails, ASP.NET all generate HTML in automated way. Flash is embedded in HTML code. What browser receives is tons of HTML, it does not care what generates HTML. Exception is Java applets, Flash, Silverlight. Some area in HTML page is assigned to them, and rarely the whole page.

So.. not so quaint.

Really makes me wonder when the XHTML & CSS3 standards will be truly bumped up and be the successor of their formers. The w3c has been talking about XHTML for like 10 or so years now?

RiceMonster
October 22nd, 2008, 04:37 AM
I just do (x)html and javascript in vim. I don't like dream weaver; I'd rather write it out myself. Then again, I'm not big on web development.

S0VERE1GN
October 22nd, 2008, 05:26 AM
Here is the FAQ about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=787071

Thanks LaRoza^_^

LaRoza
October 22nd, 2008, 05:32 AM
Really makes me wonder when the XHTML & CSS3 standards will be truly bumped up and be the successor of their formers. The w3c has been talking about XHTML for like 10 or so years now?

XHTML is often used in modern sites. My sites are valid XHTML 1.1.

handy
October 22nd, 2008, 05:33 AM
Well the problem I have is that I don't have MySQL.

Therefore all of the CMS listed in this page are useless to me. Bummer.

So now I'm still looking for the easy way out with the following server spec's:

* Apache 2.0.x Web Server
* PHP-CGI (version 4)
* Perl 5.8

I could buy server space with:

http://www.maiahost.com/

which is fully set up for CMS & is really cheap. I may think about it if no other solution appears.

igknighted
October 22nd, 2008, 05:38 AM
Well the problem I have is that I don't have MySQL.

Therefore all of the CMS listed in this page are useless to me. Bummer.

So now I'm still looking for the easy way out with the following server spec's:

* Apache 2.0.x Web Server
* PHP-CGI (version 4)
* Perl 5.8

I could buy server space with:

http://www.maiahost.com/

which is fully set up for CMS & is really cheap. I may think about it if no other solution appears.

MySQL is free and pretty easy to install, I'm sure you can find a good tutorial on here.

Personally, I like Quanta, but Bluefish is very nice as well. Then again, Gedit and Kate/Kwrite are more multi-purpose, so sometimes I don't bother with the specifics and use a basic editor.

handy
October 22nd, 2008, 06:12 AM
MySQL is free and pretty easy to install, I'm sure you can find a good tutorial on here.

Personally, I like Quanta, but Bluefish is very nice as well. Then again, Gedit and Kate/Kwrite are more multi-purpose, so sometimes I don't bother with the specifics and use a basic editor.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

What I listed is provided at the server side, & most CMS products require MySQL or similar on the server, which usually costs more money, & moves you into the ISP's business range & price list. With my ISP I would have to go for a web hosting plan (server package) which with MySQL & a pile of other server side tools, would give me 500Mb space & 10Gb monthly traffic, all for only $50 au/month. Which wouldn't be a problem if I was making money out of it! :lolflag:

hessiess
October 22nd, 2008, 06:39 AM
I hate wysiwg editors with a passion.. I recommend you learn (X)HTMl and CSS from http://www.w3schools.com/.

+1: just use a text editor, Vim ;)

handy
October 24th, 2008, 12:43 PM
I think I'll just settle for Studio MX 2004 (Dreamweaver is all I use of it) on the Mac, though I'll get around to seeing if it works under Wine in Arch, but I have a suspicion that it may be a version not supported by Wine.

Does anyone run Dreamweaver 2004 MX under Wine?

razerbug
October 24th, 2008, 02:30 PM
I use Dreamweaver CS3 and MS Expressions, and I do web design semi-professionally... my clients like the results.

I can code in notepad etc if there is a problem or need to put in some specific piece of code, but don't let the programmers scare you off WYSIWYG editors; many are perfectly suitable alternatives to having to stare at a screen full of machine code.

Not everyone is a programmer and the attitude that you should be is what puts people off Linux in the first place.

http://css-miami.org/

is a Linux page maker that a friend uses but I'm afraid I haven't tested it as I just use windows for creative work.

Of course there is always online alternatives like Google Sites, synthasite, and www.weebly.com - if your not making anything over complicated.

hope that helps, no one should have to settle for a Mac ;P

ice60
October 24th, 2008, 03:52 PM
gedit and firefox both have loads of extras you can use. i haven't got round to using them yet so i can't say how good they are.

i wasn't going to bother with links but i can spare a minute getting them lol
http://www.micahcarrick.com/09-29-2007/gedit-html-editor.html
http://www.eng.tau.ac.il/~atavory/gedit-plugins/html-tidy/#correcting_probs
http://www.linux.com/feature/138509
http://live.gnome.org/Gedit/Plugins
http://users.tkk.fi/~otsaloma/gedit/
http://commandline.org.uk/python/2007/jul/15/better-python-console-025/
http://live.gnome.org/Gedit/Plugins/BetterPythonConsole

http://cssed.sourceforge.net/

http://www.micahcarrick.com/09-28-2007/firefox-web-development.html

http://www.micahcarrick.com/09-28-2007/web-development-linux.html

they are links i haven't used yet, i'm hoping to use them soon if they are worth using.

Don S
October 24th, 2008, 04:28 PM
I don't use a WYSISWYG editor, I never did and while I don't like to keep the attitude that Linux and website editing is for programmers only, I feel very restricted when working with a WYSIWYG editor. I don't understand why people prefer to use "Big, Honkin' IDE's", instead of a nice lightweight text editor. And WYSIWYG editors tend to be both Big and Honky - or completely useless.

So, to conclude this short paragraph: I use Geany - slightly more sophisticated than Gedit, but still very lightweight.

init1
October 24th, 2008, 04:28 PM
I always just use plain text editors.

Dr Small
October 24th, 2008, 04:31 PM
+1: just use a text editor, Vim ;)
+2
I use Vim for all of my website development ;)

Saint Angeles
October 25th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Sorry, I should have been more clear.

What I listed is provided at the server side, & most CMS products require MySQL or similar on the server, which usually costs more money, & moves you into the ISP's business range & price list. With my ISP I would have to go for a web hosting plan (server package) which with MySQL & a pile of other server side tools, would give me 500Mb space & 10Gb monthly traffic, all for only $50 au/month. Which wouldn't be a problem if I was making money out of it! :lolflag:

there are a couple CMS projects out there that write data to a flat-file instead of a mySQL database.

if you don't mind perl, theres WebAPP (http://www.web-app.net/)
then theres some more:
razorCMS (http://www.razorcms.co.uk/) (this one is pretty new and looks good)
CMSimple (http://www.cmsimple.com/)
SAPID (http://sapid.sourceforge.net/)
ReloadCMS (http://reloadcms.com/)
GuppY (http://www.freeguppy.org/?lng=en) (i had some weird translation problems with this one though)
OpenEdit (http://www.openedit.org/community/permalink/2006/6/4/013805.html)
and Limbo (http://www.limboportal.com/)

of course, you won't get ALL the cool features that a mySQL-CMS will give ya, but you can still make a nice functional site.

Drupal is still my favorite CMS. I've tried Joomla which is supposed to be very similar to Drupal (some modules work for both sites) but I really was not a big fan of the admin backend.

Here are some sites I'm working on with Drupal:
http://darkmusic.coolpage.biz - My personal site
http://www.dynamicharmonicengine.com - a site for an engine that some friends of mine are creating. we're gonna change the world!

Paqman
October 25th, 2008, 12:20 PM
I use Dreamweaver 8 through Wine.

I don't agree at all that WYSIWYG editors stop you learning HTML/CSS. I found them to be extremely useful teaching tools when used in a split-screen mode.

Generally they're time-savers though. Combining an FTP client, spell checker, validator, etc into one package makes sense, especially when maintaining large sites.

Canis familiaris
October 25th, 2008, 01:55 PM
i hate wysiwg editors with a passion.. I recommend you learn (x)html and css from http://www.w3schools.com/.

Edit: Of course, you still can use one if you want.

+1

kg4tah
October 25th, 2008, 02:49 PM
I use Komposer for the basic web page build and I use gThumb Image viewer to create index pages of pictures. I have been maintaining my Captain's webpage for a couple years. Check it out http://www.alexandersbattalionfieldhospital.com He is into civil war medical hospital stuff and runs his on group that sets up battles and demonstrations every few months for the local area.

handy
October 26th, 2008, 12:18 AM
there are a couple CMS projects out there that write data to a flat-file instead of a mySQL database.

if you don't mind perl, theres WebAPP (http://www.web-app.net/)
then theres some more:
razorCMS (http://www.razorcms.co.uk/) (this one is pretty new and looks good)
CMSimple (http://www.cmsimple.com/)
SAPID (http://sapid.sourceforge.net/)
ReloadCMS (http://reloadcms.com/)
GuppY (http://www.freeguppy.org/?lng=en) (i had some weird translation problems with this one though)
OpenEdit (http://www.openedit.org/community/permalink/2006/6/4/013805.html)
and Limbo (http://www.limboportal.com/)

of course, you won't get ALL the cool features that a mySQL-CMS will give ya, but you can still make a nice functional site.

Drupal is still my favorite CMS. I've tried Joomla which is supposed to be very similar to Drupal (some modules work for both sites) but I really was not a big fan of the admin backend.

Here are some sites I'm working on with Drupal:
http://darkmusic.coolpage.biz - My personal site
http://www.dynamicharmonicengine.com - a site for an engine that some friends of mine are creating. we're gonna change the world!

Thanks for the links.

I had previously spotted one or two flat CMS build systems though they looked clumsy to use.

Your sites look good.

Something that causes a problem for me on a lot of sites & your second one fell into this category, is that due to my 24" screen, I set my minimum font to 24, which causes display problems. In your Dynamic Harmonics site, the top menu has the tops of the letters cut off.

Those of us that use large monitors & large fonts are used to this kind of problem.

Your sites looked really good, & I do like Bowie. :-)

handy
October 26th, 2008, 12:27 AM
I hate wysiwg editors with a passion.. I recommend you learn (X)HTMl and CSS from http://www.w3schools.com/.

EDIT: Of course, you still can use one if you want.

For you & the other regular builder/maintainers of web sites:

I haven't done any of that for years & have forgotten most of what I new, regarding HTML 4 & using Dreamweaver. My intention is to set up a page for myself & again forget how I did it. The page will have content updated & added as time goes by.

That is it.

So, I'm not interested in learning or relearning any more than is absolutely necessary with regard to web page construction, as to me, these days, I consider it a waste of time. :-)

tom66
October 26th, 2008, 12:32 AM
gedit (Linux) or Notepad (Windows).

I prefer gedit.

handy
October 26th, 2008, 12:52 AM
I use Dreamweaver CS3 and MS Expressions, and I do web design semi-professionally... my clients like the results.

I can code in notepad etc if there is a problem or need to put in some specific piece of code, but don't let the programmers scare you off WYSIWYG editors; many are perfectly suitable alternatives to having to stare at a screen full of machine code.

Not everyone is a programmer and the attitude that you should be is what puts people off Linux in the first place.

http://css-miami.org/

is a Linux page maker that a friend uses but I'm afraid I haven't tested it as I just use windows for creative work.

Of course there is always online alternatives like Google Sites, synthasite, and www.weebly.com - if your not making anything over complicated.

hope that helps, no one should have to settle for a Mac ;P

Thanks for your reply.

Hey, Macs are ok, let people use what they want. We need to get past picking on individual companies & look at entire systems & social paradigms to truly make positive change.

I like the way CSS-Miami works, but it is not available in the Arch repo's at this stage. :-(

& at least the Weebly live demo is not compatible with Firefox 3 yet.

kakalaky
October 26th, 2008, 12:59 AM
vim. Learn to code. Forget the WYSIWYG crap.

handy
October 26th, 2008, 02:54 AM
vim. Learn to code. Forget the WYSIWYG crap.

I can see that you need some practice at understanding other people's purposes & points of view. :lolflag:

handy
October 26th, 2008, 03:36 AM
there are a couple CMS projects out there that write data to a flat-file instead of a mySQL database.

if you don't mind perl, theres WebAPP (http://www.web-app.net/)
then theres some more:
razorCMS (http://www.razorcms.co.uk/) (this one is pretty new and looks good)
CMSimple (http://www.cmsimple.com/)
SAPID (http://sapid.sourceforge.net/)
ReloadCMS (http://reloadcms.com/)
GuppY (http://www.freeguppy.org/?lng=en) (i had some weird translation problems with this one though)
OpenEdit (http://www.openedit.org/community/permalink/2006/6/4/013805.html)
and Limbo (http://www.limboportal.com/)

of course, you won't get ALL the cool features that a mySQL-CMS will give ya, but you can still make a nice functional site.

Drupal is still my favorite CMS. I've tried Joomla which is supposed to be very similar to Drupal (some modules work for both sites) but I really was not a big fan of the admin backend.

Here are some sites I'm working on with Drupal:
http://darkmusic.coolpage.biz - My personal site
http://www.dynamicharmonicengine.com - a site for an engine that some friends of mine are creating. we're gonna change the world!

I'm just having a real quick look at the CMS's you linked to, I'll post my first impressions from a superficial look at each of their websites; as how they display on my system which uses size 24 fonts on a 24" screen, tells me something about the quality of the software. I am of course taking it for granted that each have used their own software to build their website:-

RazorCMS: displays poorly, with lines of text overwriting each other in places.

CMSimple: displays superbly, I can enlarge their site until it fills the width of my screen & everything stays in place.

SAPID: displays well & enlarges well, it has some code sitting above what is supposed to be the top of their screen which is most unusual.

ReloadCMS: has tiny fonts by default, it enlarges ok, but the right hand side of the menu disappears out the right hand side of the screen quite quickly.

Guppy: enlarges well, maintaining its integrity.

OpenEdit: does not enlarge well, it crowds in & overwrites itself.

Limbo: loaded slowly, kept its layout when expanded, though it very quickly required left right scrolling to read it.

Of those above, CMSimple has the most flexible display & handled my screen size & large font setup admirably.

handy
October 26th, 2008, 03:40 AM
gedit and firefox both have loads of extras you can use. i haven't got round to using them yet so i can't say how good they are.

i wasn't going to bother with links but i can spare a minute getting them lol
http://www.micahcarrick.com/09-29-2007/gedit-html-editor.html
http://www.eng.tau.ac.il/~atavory/gedit-plugins/html-tidy/#correcting_probs
http://www.linux.com/feature/138509
http://live.gnome.org/Gedit/Plugins
http://users.tkk.fi/~otsaloma/gedit/
http://commandline.org.uk/python/2007/jul/15/better-python-console-025/
http://live.gnome.org/Gedit/Plugins/BetterPythonConsole

http://cssed.sourceforge.net/

http://www.micahcarrick.com/09-28-2007/firefox-web-development.html

http://www.micahcarrick.com/09-28-2007/web-development-linux.html

they are links i haven't used yet, i'm hoping to use them soon if they are worth using.

Thanks for posting those links.

They are not suitable to me, though I'm sure they will be useful to other coders out there.

Wintervenom
October 26th, 2008, 03:47 AM
I use Geany. It is nice and lightweight, and helps me keep everything clean.

perlluver
October 26th, 2008, 03:59 AM
I use Gedit, or my sites notepad like editor, it has a WYSIWYG editor, but I refuse to use it, and the plus side, I have passed both the CSS and HTML W3C tests. http://perlluver.freehostia.com, all by hand, and proud of it.

handy
October 26th, 2008, 06:15 AM
I use Gedit, or my sites notepad like editor, it has a WYSIWYG editor, but I refuse to use it, and the plus side, I have passed both the CSS and HTML W3C tests. http://perlluver.freehostia.com, all by hand, and proud of it.

Obviously! :lolflag:

Good on you, its great to do something well. :-)

handy
October 26th, 2008, 07:59 AM
@Saint Angeles: I see what you mean about the translation. The documentation is terrible for GuppY, unfortunately.

I got it onto my server but got an error, & decided after spending a couple of hours trying to understand GuppY that the smartest move was to cut & run.

Cope57
October 26th, 2008, 08:19 AM
Gedit or Screem are what I use for building websites...

While you are building your website, checkout A Web Standards Checklist, or How to make a proper website (http://cope57.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/a-web-standards-checklist-or-how-to-make-a-proper-website/).

Paqman
October 26th, 2008, 12:49 PM
I haven't done any of that for years & have forgotten most of what I new, regarding HTML 4 & using Dreamweaver.

You might want to focus on learning CSS then. The old HTML4 way of doing things has changed, and CSS is a huge part of designing sites now. It'll seem really different, but once you've got your head around it you'll find it's LOADS more logical and a lot easier (especially when maintaining an existing site)

handy
October 27th, 2008, 02:12 AM
You might want to focus on learning CSS then. The old HTML4 way of doing things has changed, and CSS is a huge part of designing sites now. It'll seem really different, but once you've got your head around it you'll find it's LOADS more logical and a lot easier (especially when maintaining an existing site)

Do I have to?

I downloaded OpenOffice 3, last night & tried out writer for creating my site. It may do me for a while.

As I've said, a flat brochure style site is all I require. No blogs, forums or other dynamic content required.

Paqman
October 27th, 2008, 02:27 AM
Do I have to?


No, but I guarantee you won't regret learning it. Seriously, CSS is awesome. Check it out.

handy
October 27th, 2008, 11:42 AM
After not being able to find anything that will do the job under Arch, though I think I got close. I googled for a Mac solution, I found Sandvox, which looks to be basically what I want. It costs $50- U.S. unfortunately, as I'm well & truly extended to the limit at the moment, but in a couple of weeks or so I will purchase so that I can use more than one page on my site & get rid of the water mark.

Shame I had to buy the solution, though on the other hand, when software does what I want it to, I don't mind paying, & its worth remembering that programmers deserve to eat too.

razerbug
October 28th, 2008, 12:48 AM
Shame I had to buy the solution .

See this is the other reason I won't give up Vista, or ever buy a Mac. I can always find a free 3rd party app to do what ever I need if there isn't an alternative available. Compatibility is 9/10th of the OS wars ;P

quite surprised actually that with Gimp there isn't Greamweaver or something for linux

Ozor Mox
October 28th, 2008, 12:53 AM
I always use gEdit (or another plain text editor) to make websites, learning the languages is the best way I think, but if I had to knock up something quick I might find an open source WYSIWYG editor.

sxfx
October 28th, 2008, 02:26 AM
If you don't mind having a visual editor I would highly recommend aptana studio.

Its free they have a linux, windows, and apple distro.

It also has a preview build into it for firefox and Internet explorer, and really neat tool tip drop down menus and explination of each function.

you can check it out at http://www.aptana.org

Iv been using it for a few months and love it.

icodeme
October 28th, 2008, 03:35 AM
Dreamweaver still is the best tool for me and I also Use Photoshop for the design. I use it under Wine but things got rough when some problems with my wine existed. The cursos gets lost everytime wine is in focus and even in the programs ran by it. Do you think this is a bug with wine?:confused:

Grant A.
October 28th, 2008, 03:55 AM
quite surprised actually that with Gimp there isn't Greamweaver or something for linux

Does that not sound like a horrible disease to anyone else?

A little off-topic, but have you noticed that almost everything with a G or GN infront of it for the GNOME desktop sounds like a disease? Gnash sounds like a scurvy-like disease. :lolflag:

handy
October 28th, 2008, 04:19 AM
See this is the other reason I won't give up Vista, or ever buy a Mac. I can always find a free 3rd party app to do what ever I need if there isn't an alternative available. Compatibility is 9/10th of the OS wars ;P

quite surprised actually that with Gimp there isn't Greamweaver or something for linux

I could find more than one suitable (I was looking for a very specific) solution, though they are in the form of flat CMS's to run via the Linux kernel, but they were not available on Arch, & I would rather pay for & use Sandvox (which does not have the CMS limitations) on Leopard than give up Arch, & I would rather give up computing than use Vista for anything.

handy
October 28th, 2008, 04:25 AM
If you don't mind having a visual editor I would highly recommend aptana studio.

Its free they have a linux, windows, and apple distro.

It also has a preview build into it for firefox and Internet explorer, and really neat tool tip drop down menus and explination of each function.

you can check it out at http://www.aptana.org

Iv been using it for a few months and love it.

Thanks for the link. :-)

The Aptana site displayed very poorly on my system, (crowded, overwriting itself) which is the first & crucial test; fail that & your out!

Perhaps a site could be setup better, but if the dev's didn't get it right on their home site, I'm not interested.

handy
October 28th, 2008, 04:29 AM
Dreamweaver still is the best tool for me and I also Use Photoshop for the design. I use it under Wine but things got rough when some problems with my wine existed. The cursos gets lost everytime wine is in focus and even in the programs ran by it. Do you think this is a bug with wine?:confused:

I find Dreamweaver to be a pain in the .... It is overly complicated for my needs. I can get vastly superior results in a very short time using Sandvox & I'm learning as I go.

Apparently some pro's use Sandvox to quickly design their site then import it into Dreamweaver for the finishing touches. I don't need to do that. Though I will buy the Sandvox Pro version which allows editing of HTML, CSS & other features.

handy
October 28th, 2008, 04:29 AM
Does that not sound like a horrible disease to anyone else?

A little off-topic, but have you noticed that almost everything with a G or GN infront of it for the GNOME desktop sounds like a disease? Gnash sounds like a scurvy-like disease. :lolflag:

Greamweaver - Grimreaper?

Ganzeveld
November 14th, 2008, 12:39 PM
I hate wysiwg editors with a passion.. I recommend you learn (X)HTMl and CSS from http://www.w3schools.com/.

EDIT: Of course, you still can use one if you want.

As a freelance webdeveloper I have to manage 50 sites on 50 different servers. I tried all possible editors and nothing comes close to Dreaweavers functionality.

Most pro webdevelopers use Dreamweaver, not because of the wysiwyg features but because of the way you can manage your sites. What I'd like to know is which Linux editor let's me define a project and have it automaticly link to an FTP location. I want to be able to do uploads with a keyboard shortcut, and when I switch projects I want the FTP location to automatically switch too...

I want Dreamweaver for linux, frankly. ;)
Which app will do that for me?
If none; who wants to start up a new opensource project?

slackthumbz
November 14th, 2008, 04:21 PM
I work as web dev for a large research institute. Our websites are hosted on debian servers and I use linux both on my desktop and on my laptop, in fact I haven't owned a windows machine in 10 years. For web development at work I just ssh into my desktop machine at the office that hosts a screen session and I use vim to do all my editing. Once something is tried and tested on our dev site we have an in house application that doublechecks it and copies it across to the live site. It's possibly the most hassle free system I've ever had the pleasure of working with.

I also run my own personal site which is running on a VPS on Debian Lenny. Again, I manage everything with a healthy mixture of screen + vim. The site is written in xhtml, perl, css and some javascript and is run on apache2.2.

:D

I would seriously recommend getting to grips with command line editors, bash and screen. When it comes to true efficiency and looking 1337 in front of your family/friends/dog/cat/imaginarygirlfriend you can't beat it.

Old Marcus
November 14th, 2008, 04:39 PM
I've always used text editors to make websites, I started on Notepad, then Notepad++, and since I've moved to Linux, I've been using gedit. Never liked WYSIWYG editors that much, I hated dreamweaver with a passion. Though I may try Kompozer again.

tio2
November 14th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Im with you Old Marcus I use text editors to compose the source codes that i need. Dreamweaver has an annoying habit of adding unnecessary code to a web page that sometimes invalidates the syntax.

I have used notepad2 for win machines because it doesn't require an install and has syntax highlightin for a whole host of programming languages.
Used a lot of photoshop for the images but after a glitch in cs3 'appcrash' decided i would try microsoft expression studio its absolute trash not worth an install. Using new version of gimp editor for the images along with a new OS ubuntu studio.

lswest
November 14th, 2008, 07:37 PM
LAMP (Linux Apache MySQL PHP) or WAMP (if I'm on a windows comp.) server for testing sites, sites are written using gedit, nano, vim, whatever text editor I have available.

GIMP for images, cascading style sheets (CSS) for formatting.

derekr44
November 14th, 2008, 10:51 PM
I've done quite a bit of sites.

Windows - Dreamweaver, Fireworks (because it's easy for web-based images), FileZilla
Linux - NVU/Bluefish, GIMP, FileZilla

And Joomla is my CMS of choice :)

avaralom
November 14th, 2008, 11:25 PM
Well, I started out in Notepad on Windows.. but now I mainly use Dreamweaver. I have no idea how to use most of it's functions, but it color codes things and inserts some code for me automatically, which are the main two things I like about it over Notepad.

On Ubuntu, I'll probably just stick with gedit. Unless I find something better in my searching.

tense eye man
November 19th, 2008, 09:01 AM
reading thru this thread, it looked like people quite like geany, so i thought i'd give it a try (at the moment i need something for windows, but i am hoping to gradually switch to ubuntu, and geany works in both). Going well so far, its nice that everything is colorcoded, until now i was just using notepad (I am VERY new to this kind of thing).

one question: is there a handy shortcut that'll save any chances that you've made and then jump to your browser to open the page (a bit like "preview in browser" in dreamweaver)? At the moment i am doing ctrl+s, then going via mouse to firefox and then hitting f5, but surely there is a quicker way than this?

and while we are on the subject (sort of) is there ANYTHING around for linux that approximates Flash? Or will I need to run Flash with Wine once i switch over?

thanks

tense eye man

Humph
November 19th, 2008, 09:25 AM
I too am a disliker of WYSIWYG type GUI editors.

For all my web development I use gedit and FileZilla.

handy
November 19th, 2008, 12:17 PM
and while we are on the subject (sort of) is there ANYTHING around for linux that approximates Flash? Or will I need to run Flash with Wine once i switch over?

You may find this site interesting:

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

v8YKxgHe
November 19th, 2008, 01:40 PM
removed

Corfy
November 19th, 2008, 03:38 PM
You may find this site interesting:

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

Gnash is a Flash player. I think tense eye man is looking for a program to develop Flash.

I know OpenOffice.org Impress can export as Flash, but other than that, I don't know of any Flash developing programs for Linux.

markba
November 19th, 2008, 05:13 PM
I used to use Dreamweaver, but in my quest for a FOSS alternative, I ended up with this:

- kompozer: WYSIWYG editor (I'm not a web pro!)
- sitecopy: easy uploading files through FTP from the commandline; very fast, very easy to use
- gurlchecker: validate url's (internal/external)

Together, they do roughly the same as what I did in Dreamweaver.

tense eye man
November 20th, 2008, 12:38 AM
yes, what i want is something for flash development, numerous web searches havent turned anything up, i got excited about F4L but it seems its development has been abandoned.

i guess flash with wine it is...