HP Linux Coming? [Archive]

Sef

September 13th, 2008, 07:51 AM

This article (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_38/b4100084242512.htm?campaign_id=rss_tech) about HP going around Microsoft. I got the link from Groklaw (http://groklaw.net).

First Paragraph:

The ecosystem that Microsoft (MSFT (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=MSFT)) has built up around its Windows operating system is showing signs of strain. In one of several recent moves by partners that sell or support the company's software, Hewlett-Packard (HPQ (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=HPQ)), the world's No. 1 PC maker, has quietly assembled a group of engineers to develop software that will let customers bypass certain features of Vista, the latest version of Windows. Employees on a separate skunk works team are even angling to replace Windows with an HP-assembled operating system, say three sources close to the company.

OutOfReach

September 13th, 2008, 07:52 AM

Doesn't HP already has an OS? (HP-UX)?

Sef

September 13th, 2008, 07:59 AM

Doesn't HP already has an OS? (HP-UX)?

That is Unix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX), and it is proprietary.

OutOfReach

September 13th, 2008, 08:04 AM

Yeah you're right. I'd like to see what HP comes up with if this is true (Though I don't know why they would bother).

Canis familiaris

September 13th, 2008, 08:06 AM

That is Unix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX), and it is proprietary.

Could HP open source it just like Sun did to Solaris?

EnGorDiaz

September 13th, 2008, 08:13 AM

its great there considering the linux idea bcus the more we get into these companys the more compatibility we get but unfortunately i dont want linux to be one of those exploited operating systems in the future and i highly doubt it will

mips

September 13th, 2008, 03:43 PM

Could HP open source it just like Sun did to Solaris?

Depends on how much of the source code they own.

zmjjmz

September 13th, 2008, 03:52 PM

This is such a rumor.
Of course, they might have to cancel it now because MSFT will want to know what's up.

Trail

September 13th, 2008, 04:03 PM

HPUX is the most annoying thing ever. Thankfully in the newer versions of their products I am working with, they are replacing it for Red Hat.

SunnyRabbiera

September 13th, 2008, 05:41 PM

Doesn't HP already has an OS? (HP-UX)?

I think HP-UX is a dead end, as HP has not done anything with it in a while.
Truth be told they might work on their own Linux distribution next due to their histroy of indirectly supporting linux.
On paper HP doesnt support linux, but with a lot of hardware they produce they still support it in secret.
I think HP having a desktop linux deal is very close at hand

Ub1476

September 13th, 2008, 06:07 PM

Yeah you're right. I'd like to see what HP comes up with if this is true (Though I don't know why they would bother).

I read that they might fear Apples sudden leap in the market.. They want to create their own distro to compete with mac OS X.

Sealbhach

September 13th, 2008, 06:20 PM

It's just rumours at the moment.

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SunnyRabbiera

September 13th, 2008, 06:22 PM

I read that they might fear Apples sudden leap in the market.. They want to create their own distro to compete with mac OS X.

Or they can pick a linux distro

Canis familiaris

September 13th, 2008, 06:23 PM

Or they can pick a linux distro
A more logical choice

Ub1476

September 13th, 2008, 06:48 PM

Suppose they would build it upon Ubuntu/Suse/Mandriva/Fedora or something. IF they do create some nice stuff, I surely hope they release it open-source so we also get good use of it! :)

SunnyRabbiera

September 13th, 2008, 06:56 PM

Suppose they would build it upon Ubuntu/Suse/Mandriva/Fedora or something. IF they do create some nice stuff, I surely hope they release it open-source so we also get good use of it! :)

Well even if they do a closed source OS and programmed it right, it would still be better for them.
But I dont think that is the case, these days HP is very open source friendly.

zmjjmz

September 13th, 2008, 07:07 PM

Well even if they do a closed source OS and programmed it right, it would still be better for them.
But I dont think that is the case, these days HP is very open source friendly.

They can't make it closed, if they're making a Linux distro it'd have to be GPL.

rab4567

September 14th, 2008, 01:50 AM

This could be the start of open rebellion against Microsoft it cannot stop, linux is breaking out all over the place.

Giant Speck

September 14th, 2008, 01:55 AM

Why is the assumption that if HP were to make their own operating system that it would be based off of Linux?

How do we know it won't be a completely new operating system?

zmjjmz

September 14th, 2008, 01:56 AM

If they want a closed source OS they'd go with BSD, like Apple did.

FuturePilot

September 14th, 2008, 01:57 AM

Why is the assumption that if HP were to make their own operating system that it would be based off of Linux?

How do we know it won't be a completely new operating system?

Because

HP's software would be based on Linux, the open-source operating system that is already widely available, but it would be simpler and easier for mainstream users, the sources say.

zmjjmz

September 14th, 2008, 02:01 AM

OT\
From the article:

For example, a worker may be able to start a Power Point presentation from her home computer, store it on the Net, and then pick it up from her office PC..
They seem to think this is innovation.
/OT

SunnyRabbiera

September 14th, 2008, 02:03 AM

They can't make it closed, if they're making a Linux distro it'd have to be GPL.

Well they could easily go back to HP-UX if they wanted to

Giant Speck

September 14th, 2008, 02:06 AM

Because

Thank you. I totally skipped over that paragraph. #-o

ubuntu-freak

September 14th, 2008, 02:33 AM

For those of you who seem to think HP could take Ubuntu and make it closed source, have a look at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL).

SunnyRabbiera

September 14th, 2008, 02:34 AM

For those of you who seem to think HP could take Ubuntu and make it closed source, have a look at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL).

And to be honest I dont think HP would do that sort of stuff anyhow.
If they wanted a closed OS they can revive HP-UX

Giant Speck

September 14th, 2008, 02:43 AM

For those of you who seem to think HP could take Ubuntu and make it closed source, have a look at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL).

Okay, now who said they'd use Ubuntu?

They could make their own distro and make it closed-source, couldn't they? I know they can sell it, but I'm not sure they can make it closed-source.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

zmjjmz

September 14th, 2008, 02:49 AM

Okay, now who said they'd use Ubuntu?

They could make their own distro and make it closed-source, couldn't they? I know they can sell it, but I'm not sure they can make it closed-source.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

They'd be best off taking an existing distro.
Taking the GPL kernel and writing an entire suite of apps just for the sake of making it closed source would be worthless.

smartboyathome

September 14th, 2008, 02:50 AM

Okay, now who said they'd use Ubuntu?

They could make their own distro and make it closed-source, couldn't they? I know they can sell it, but I'm not sure they can make it closed-source.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Even if they could, as has been said they would probably go with HP-UX instead of Linux if they did want a closed source OS. Instead, their actions (releasing open source printer drivers for linux, keeping their hardware linux compatible, etc) indicate they will go open source if they do adopt a new operating system.

Canis familiaris

September 14th, 2008, 03:14 AM

They can't make it closed, if they're making a Linux distro it'd have to be GPL.

But they always have BSDs...

voteforpedro36

September 14th, 2008, 03:15 AM

Giant Speck

September 14th, 2008, 03:20 AM

Not if they use the Linux kernel, which is licensed GPL.

Then I guess they could go for BSD as Panda is suggesting.

But then again, no one even said that HP is considering closed-source.

Canis familiaris

September 14th, 2008, 03:20 AM

I think they would use Linux, BSDs would be a good choice too, but I doubt the need to close an OS when OpenSource is the buzzword.
I don't think they'll use Solaris, and would not likely pursue with HP-UX either.

ubuntu-freak

September 14th, 2008, 03:20 AM

Okay, now who said they'd use Ubuntu?

They could make their own distro and make it closed-source, couldn't they? I know they can sell it, but I'm not sure they can make it closed-source.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Ubuntu was just an example. You should read the link I posted, even just the first paragraph. You can't take GPL code and make it closed source.

Canis familiaris

September 14th, 2008, 03:26 AM

Ubuntu was just an example. You should read the link I posted, even just the first paragraph. You can't take GPL code and make it closed source.

I think He was talking about a BSD distro.

ubuntu-freak

September 14th, 2008, 03:37 AM

I think He was talking about a BSD distro.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5785042&postcount=27

It was about Linux, as HP support Linux well already. Saying "I know they can sell it" implies GPL code.

I don't understand why you're speaking for him/her, though.

Canis familiaris

September 14th, 2008, 03:44 AM

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5785042&postcount=27

Well in that case they can't do that, because that would break the GPL.
Though Why would they even consider Linux if they want a closed source OS is beyond me. BSDs are as capable.
I think they are looking for an Open Source OS, and since Linux is most popular, it would be the most enticing choice.

I don't understand why you're speaking for him/her, though
Because I found an Opportunity to give MY opinion. :)

david_lynch

September 14th, 2008, 03:59 AM

Well they could easily go back to HP-UX if they wanted to
As a former hp-ux admin, all I can say to that idea is "ugh"

ubuntu-freak

September 14th, 2008, 04:20 AM

Well in that case they can't do that, because that would break the GPL.
Though Why would they even consider Linux if they want a closed source OS is beyond me. BSDs are as capable.
I think they are looking for an Open Source OS, and since Linux is most popular, it would be the most enticing choice.

Because I found an Opportunity to give MY opinion. :)

You're such an opportunist! ;)

Seriously, though, I thought you were being weird with me, but I now see you weren't.

Back to HP, it would be weird if they chose BSD over Linux, but they are a weird company. Computers, printers and brown table sauce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_sauce)? Random...

Canis familiaris

September 14th, 2008, 04:21 AM

... and brown table sauce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_sauce)? Random...
lol

Canis familiaris

September 14th, 2008, 04:24 AM

In my dreams, HP will make deal with Canonical...
I hope my dream bears fruit. :D

SunnyRabbiera

September 14th, 2008, 05:09 AM

In my dreams, HP will make deal with Canonical...
I hope my dream bears fruit. :D

Maybe, as ubuntu has some waves behind it.

Giant Speck

September 14th, 2008, 05:10 AM

I think choosing BSD would be interesting.

I mean the average computer user has probably heard Linux a couple times, but I seriously doubt they've heard BSD.

SunnyRabbiera

September 14th, 2008, 05:15 AM

I think choosing BSD would be interesting.

I mean the average computer user has probably heard Linux a couple times, but I seriously doubt they've heard BSD.

Yes but i doubt they will go with a BSD, as they would want something more desktop ready and currently Linux is more ahead in that area.