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Sporkman
September 4th, 2008, 06:14 PM
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/21322/


A Chinese Challenge to Intel

Researchers have revealed details of China's latest homegrown microprocessor.

By Kate Greene

In California last week, Chinese researchers unveiled details of a microprocessor that they hope will bring personal computing to most ordinary people in China by 2010. The chip, code-named Godson-3, was developed with government funding by more than 200 researchers at the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Computing Technology (ICT).

China is making a late entry into chip making, admits Zhiwei Xu, deputy director of ICT. "Twenty years ago in China, we didn't support R&D for microprocessors," he said during a presentation last week at the Hot Chips conference, in Palo Alto. "The decision makers and [Chinese] IT community have come to realize that CPUs [central processing units] are important."

Tom Halfhill, an analyst at research firm In-Stat, says that the objective for China is to take control of the design and manufacture of vital technology. "Like America wants to be energy independent, China wants to be technology independent," Halfhill says. "They don't want to be dependent on outside countries for critical technologies like microprocessors, which are, nowadays, a fundamental commodity." Federal laws also prohibit the export of state-of-the-art microprocessors from the United States to China, meaning that microchips shipped to China are usually a few generations behind the newest ones in the West.

Despite its late start, China is making rapid progress. The ICT group began designing a single-core CPU in 2001, and by the following year had developed Godson-1, China's first general-purpose CPU. In 2003, 2004, and 2006, the team introduced ever faster versions of a second chip--Godson-2--based on the original design. According to Xu, each new chip tripled the performance of the previous one.

Godson chips are manufactured in China by a French-Italian company called ST Microelectronics and are available commercially under the brand name Loongson, meaning "dragon chip." Loongson chips already power some personal computers and servers on the Chinese market, which come with the Linux operating system and other open-source software. "They use a lot of open-source software because it's free," says Halfhill. "The Chinese government wants to get as many PCs into schools and as many workplaces as they can."

The latest Godson chips will also have a number of advanced features. Godson-3, a chip with four cores--processing units that work in parallel--will appear in 2009, according to Xu, and an eight-core version is also under development. Both versions will be built using 65-nanometer lithography processes, which are a generation older than Intel's current 45-nanometer processes. Importantly, Godson-3 is scalable, meaning that more cores can be added to future generations without significant redesign. Additionally, the architecture allows engineers to precisely control the amount of power that it uses. For instance, parts of the chip can be shut down when they aren't in use, and cores can operate at various frequencies, depending on the tasks that they need to perform. The four-core Godson-3 will consume 10 watts of power, and the eight-core chip will consume 20 watts, says Xu.

This latest chip will also be fundamentally different from those made before. Neither Godson-1 nor -2 is compatible with Intel's so-called x86 architecture, meaning that most commercial software will not run on them. But engineers have added 200 additional instructions to Godson-3 to simulate an x86 chip, which allows Godson-3 to run more software, including the Windows operating system. And because the chip architecture is only simulated, there is no need to obtain a license from Intel.

Erik Metzger, a patent attorney at Intel, says that the chip will only perform at about 80 percent of the speed of an actual x86 chip. "That implies that [the Chinese government] is going after a low-end market," he says. This is the same market that Intel is targeting with its classmate PC and low-power atom microprocessor. Metzger adds that the inner workings of the chip, known as its instruction set, have not yet been disclosed, making it difficult to know if or how any x86 patents may have been breeched.

The Chinese team hopes to further boost its chip program through collaboration with other companies and researchers. "We still lag behind the international partners a lot," says Xu. "But we are doing our best to join the international community."

Copyright Technology Review 2008.

mips
September 4th, 2008, 06:49 PM
The Chinese Godson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson) (or Longsoon, Dragon chip) is not a performance challenge for Intel. The chips are based on the MIPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture) architecture.

They have already produced PCs based on the Godson 1&2 and they run Linux. So good for linux!

smoker
September 4th, 2008, 06:53 PM
i can see low end computing getting even more affordable. in a few years time intel and amd will have some serious competition. the Chinese won't take too long to catch up!

PurposeOfReason
September 4th, 2008, 08:31 PM
i can see low end computing getting even more affordable. in a few years time intel and amd will have some serious competition. the Chinese won't take too long to catch up!
IMO AMD might be gone from the CPU market then. They are already down and intel is kicking them with nehalem.

Dixon Bainbridge
September 4th, 2008, 08:40 PM
IMO AMD might be gone from the CPU market then. They are already down and intel is kicking them with nehalem.

The processor speed thing is just plain stupid. Who the hell needs a 64 bit 5000mhz dual core processor to surf the internet, transfer a few track to an ipod and send an email, which is what most home computer users do? You can do all that on a 486. The large percentage of chip sales in PC's is for office and home use, and that needs diddly squat processing power. This constant drive to upgrade hardware to do simple mundane tasks is just daft. Chip manufacturers could easily drive down costs and hike up margins by cutting their clothes to fit their cloth.

Daft.

smoker
September 4th, 2008, 09:00 PM
The processor speed thing is just plain stupid. Who the hell needs a 64 bit 5000mhz dual core processor to surf the internet, transfer a few track to an ipod and send an email, which is what most home computer users do? You can do all that on a 486. The large percentage of chip sales in PC's is for office and home use, and that needs diddly squat processing power. This constant drive to upgrade hardware to do simple mundane tasks is just daft. Chip manufacturers could easily drive down costs and hike up margins by cutting their clothes to fit their cloth.

Daft.

i think the Chinese will leave the top-end market alone, and concentrate on the biggest market, which will be low to medium powered processors, which, lets face it, is all most people need:-)

LaRoza
September 4th, 2008, 09:11 PM
i think the Chinese will leave the top-end market alone, and concentrate on the biggest market, which will be low to medium powered processors, which, lets face it, is all most people need:-)

And what their goal is, for Chinese people to use home grown CPU's. They don't need high performance unless they will be running the lastest Windows, and I think they have their own distros.

PurposeOfReason
September 4th, 2008, 09:13 PM
The processor speed thing is just plain stupid. Who the hell needs a 64 bit 5000mhz dual core processor to surf the internet, transfer a few track to an ipod and send an email, which is what most home computer users do? You can do all that on a 486. The large percentage of chip sales in PC's is for office and home use, and that needs diddly squat processing power. This constant drive to upgrade hardware to do simple mundane tasks is just daft. Chip manufacturers could easily drive down costs and hike up margins by cutting their clothes to fit their cloth.

Daft.
In which case it is power consumption. Guess who wins that AND mobility? AMD lost their former glory.

R_T_H
September 4th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Good for them. If only sci-tech was invested in as thoroughly as in China everywhere else.

LaRoza
September 4th, 2008, 09:16 PM
The processor speed thing is just plain stupid. Who the hell needs a 64 bit 5000mhz dual core processor to surf the internet, transfer a few track to an ipod and send an email, which is what most home computer users do? You can do all that on a 486. The large percentage of chip sales in PC's is for office and home use, and that needs diddly squat processing power. This constant drive to upgrade hardware to do simple mundane tasks is just daft. Chip manufacturers could easily drive down costs and hike up margins by cutting their clothes to fit their cloth.

Daft.

Well, tell that to Microsoft.

smoker
September 4th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Well, tell that to Microsoft.

hmm, maybe some of the feedback from vista will hit the mark:lolflag:

Erdaron
September 4th, 2008, 10:32 PM
Good for them. If only sci-tech was invested in as thoroughly as in China everywhere else.

+1

*le sigh*

AMD vs. Intel - they can do this dance forever. I remember people forecasting doom for Intel not all that long ago. They'll just keep beating each other.

As for power, I don't think that's where stuff is going, actually. If my understanding of Nehalem architecture is correct (and it seems that Atom is kind of like a beta release of Nehalem, rather than a serious foray into low-power market), then it seems more like a system designed for flexible and efficient computing. Its cores, individually, are not that impressive. It's rather the core-to-core communication and memory management that's groundbreaking. Which is the direction computation is going - smaller, more efficient, more embeddable. "Embeddable" is a buzz word, isn't it?

The best part of Godson-3 is not multiple cores, but rather that it can control them so well, even completely powering down the ones that are not used. That's the real leap, not clock speed. And if they can deliver this to the low-end market, then awesome.