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Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 01:27 PM
Games like crysis, assasins creed, call of duty 4 would never be linux native


I use linux for Counter-Strike server, redtube (faster than on windows) playing with compiz fusion,music,movies but it's not worthy to loose alot things for just to switch completely to linux. Would you realize that i'll lose my nose hair because of booring if i switch 100% to linux


Windows is for fun, games and such thing. Linux sucks just because it's free and they won't win money. Games won't work.


He's just saying me that , I know it's not true but what i can answer ?

GTA 4 would be linux native ? :|

Dixon Bainbridge
September 3rd, 2008, 01:30 PM
Care less. Works for me.

Buy a console or something.

eldragon
September 3rd, 2008, 01:32 PM
if thats his only complain, then id say linux is on the right track :D

Circus-Killer
September 3rd, 2008, 01:33 PM
well, unfortunately, the only games that are generally released natively are games by ID software. all other native games tend to be open source and community developed.

if the only thing your friend uses his computer for is to play games, then there isn't much incentive for him to switch. i would recommend letting him just stick to windows. the idea is to use whatever works for you. i myself, was tempted to putting windows back on my laptop so i could game, but i rather not having gaming so that i can have a laptop that serves me well in all other purposes. i stick to console gaming these days.

it definately does suck that 99% of games dont come out for linux, but then again, that is not the only reason why the computer was invented.

meborc
September 3rd, 2008, 01:33 PM
just smile and talk about something else... they will never understand the power inside your computer

Canis familiaris
September 3rd, 2008, 01:36 PM
To tell him:
Stay with Windows. It is sufficient for Gaming. Linux is not for Full time PC gamers.

phrostbyte
September 3rd, 2008, 01:39 PM
If you play lots of hardcore games Linux is probably not the best choice for it. Sad but true. But what stopping the dual boot? Tell him he can dual-boot and that playing with Linux can he can get special insight about computers. But I don't think you'll be able to "switch" him over.

Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 02:21 PM
If you play lots of hardcore games Linux is probably not the best choice for it. Sad but true. But what stopping the dual boot? Tell him he can dual-boot and that playing with Linux can he can get special insight about computers. But I don't think you'll be able to "switch" him over.

He was saying that in the name of linux, he already has dual-boot.

Canis familiaris
September 3rd, 2008, 02:22 PM
He was saying that in the name of linux, he already has dual-boot.

Well I guess you just can't argue.

Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 02:32 PM
Yeah, I think buying a console it's the best advice I can give. As I heard console games can't be cracked.

Canis familiaris
September 3rd, 2008, 02:50 PM
Yeah, I think buying a console it's the best advice I can give. As I heard console games can't be cracked.

Cracked? You mean pirated?
Well I know one argument now for your friend - "All your games are pirated"

If by "cracked", if it doesn't mean "pirated", ignore the above..

timcredible
September 3rd, 2008, 03:00 PM
all the games you listed run on linux just fine - it's called a ps3.

Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 03:08 PM
Yes, I mean pirated.

Chame_Wizard
September 3rd, 2008, 03:20 PM
ONLY GAMES WITH WINDOWS :guitar::lolflag:

tuxxy
September 3rd, 2008, 03:23 PM
PC's are no fun for gaming for me full stop, much prefer a console.

Tindytim
September 3rd, 2008, 03:32 PM
He's just saying me that , I know it's not true but what i can answer ?

"WINE"
"If it sucks stop using it"
or give me his e-mail address.
And what's this about him saying 'win money'? If the game runs on Linux, and compeptions are held, why couldn't one win money?

Although I would like to talk to this person.


Yeah, I think buying a console it's the best advice I can give. As I heard console games can't be cracked.
Console games have been pirated, it's a little more work than with a PC. In most cases you need a Modchip, but after that it's just a matter of getting pirated games.

And why would that directly harm the consumer?


all the games you listed run on linux just fine - it's called a ps3.
By that logic all the games I have installed on my Windows boot run on linux fine also.

Keyper7
September 3rd, 2008, 03:38 PM
First quote is a chicken-and-egg problem. If the Linux gaming userbase is not big, developers won't care. If developers don't release games for Linux, its gaming userbase won't grow.

Second quote is quite interesting because it shows that he does understand the usefulness of Linux for other things. I dare to say, more than the average Linux newbie. So at least he's not the "nothing I tried worked on Linux" type, which is a good start.

Third quote is a understandable misunderstanding (nice expression huh? :)). If he has a little bit of free time to listen, explain to him how big players like IBM profit more from support than from sales themselves and how Canonical intends to do the same.

But remember: only say those things if he's willing to listen. Nobody likes a preacher and he's entitled to his opinion.

swoll1980
September 3rd, 2008, 03:41 PM
Linux does suck for gaming. There's really not much more to say on the subject

swoll1980
September 3rd, 2008, 03:43 PM
First quote is a chicken-and-egg problem. If the Linux gaming userbase is not big, developers won't care. If developers don't release games for Linux, its gaming userbase won't grow.\

First things first. NVIDIA, and ATI have to put out some decent drivers before anyone even thinks of making Linux a gaming platform

zmjjmz
September 3rd, 2008, 03:44 PM
Let him use Windows for gaming (why not?), but tell him the truth about it to prevent him from spreading disinformation.
The reason most people don't make games for Linux (and subsequently Mac) is because of the lack of DirectX and a strong userbase.
Crysis won't go native to Linux because it uses DirectX, which will likely never be ported to anything but Windows because MS owns it.
So if he wants someone to blame for Linux not being a good gaming console, tell him to blame Microsoft.

Keyper7
September 3rd, 2008, 03:47 PM
Linux does suck for gaming. There's really not much more to say on the subject

sucks for gaming != sucks because of gaming

I'm not sure, but I have a strong impression that his friend thinks that the absence of games for Linux says something the quality of the OS itself.

Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 03:47 PM
First things first. NVIDIA, and ATI have to put out some decent drivers before anyone even thinks of making Linux a gaming platform

I'm glad I have Intel 915GMA ...

Keyper7
September 3rd, 2008, 03:50 PM
First things first. NVIDIA, and ATI have to put out some decent drivers before anyone even thinks of making Linux a gaming platform

I'm not sure about recent games, since I'm too damn poor to buy them now, but back when UT2004 was considered top of the line I remember my GeForce handling it in Linux fairly well.

Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 03:50 PM
I'm not sure, but I have a strong impression that his friend thinks that the absence of games for Linux says something the quality of the OS itself.

Yes, is about what are you saying. he can't understand some things and he can't understand that Canonical paid programers to code ubuntu. (and he is not the only one. All the Romania is full of them :( )

And he keep on his idea that a 7years old kid is still using Windows, and forever windowsXP will be on the +90%computers. OMG i can't beleive it. It's too old... was released on 2002 , and no major changes since then.

swoll1980
September 3rd, 2008, 03:53 PM
sucks for gaming != sucks because of gaming

I'm not sure, but I have a strong impression that his friend thinks that the absence of games for Linux says something the quality of the OS itself.

Yeah Linux rocks for every other purpose

billgoldberg
September 3rd, 2008, 04:02 PM
He's just saying me that , I know it's not true but what i can answer ?

GTA 4 would be linux native ? :|

Linux sucks for gaming.

It's a fact.

Bragador
September 3rd, 2008, 04:04 PM
Yes, is about what are you saying. he can't understand some things and he can't understand that Canonical paid programers to code ubuntu. (and he is not the only one. All the Romania is full of them :( )

And he keep on his idea that a 7years old kid is still using Windows, and forever windowsXP will be on the +90%computers. OMG i can't beleive it. It's too old... was released on 2002 , and no major changes since then.

Well at some point you have to stop "selling" gnu/linux. The more you'll try to convince him, the less he'll listen and the more he will block himself to the idea.

Just leave him a live cd of ubuntu and tell him he's right about the gaming part but if he wants to try it for surfing the web he can use the cd without installing anything.

You can't do much more than that really.

Sephoroth
September 3rd, 2008, 04:04 PM
If he is a 24/7 gamer then there is little you can do to change his mind. Does he have any of what most here would consider "true" faults of Linux (things that are not related to poor GPU driver releases from ATI/Nvidia or game development with DX) or anything else which he commonly does on his computer? The way I've seen it is there may not be many games but as long as Compiz Fusion is around, I'll still keep my GPU usage up XD.

tuxxy
September 3rd, 2008, 04:06 PM
Inform him dont preach :)

Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 04:08 PM
As my knowledge in computers I don't understand why ppl buy "hard"&latest computers and use them for gaming.(eventualy with M$ Windows).

In my opinion Windows it's too OLD to handle right a quadcore .

If you want games, buy a console. (That's what i've learnet today).

I've switched to ubuntu in february 2008 when I was SO SO SO boored because of windows and googled "linux", then i've found ubuntu. In all these months NOTHING, but NOTHING i miss. Every game that I played on the windows is working FINE, There are alot of games, open-source or at least freeware for linux that are for my leisure but i can't do a thing. Newbies would never understand that.

Help Microsoft have the n00bs. Help Ubuntu have the best of all. Don't switch to linux very poor M$ fanboys.

Bragador
September 3rd, 2008, 04:11 PM
As my knowledge in computers I don't understand why ppl buy "hard"&latest computers and use them for gaming.(eventualy with M$ Windows).

In my opinion Windows it's too OLD to handle right a quadcore .

If you want games, buy a console. (That's what i've learnet today).

I've switched to ubuntu in february 2008 when I was SO SO SO boored because of windows and googled "linux", then i've found ubuntu. In all these months NOTHING, but NOTHING i miss. Every game that I played on the windows is working FINE, There are alot of games, open-source or at least freeware for linux.

Because games on computers are more interesting?
>Starcraft II, Diablo III, Spore, Fallout III, Civilization IV, etc?

Sephoroth
September 3rd, 2008, 04:26 PM
Now why couldn't Blizzard just support Linux. I mean, they've supported Mac OS X. We wouldn't be having this argument if both Valve and Blizzard ported their games which already use OpenGL.

I understand it is a pain for them and there is little monetary incentive but logically it couldn't hurt for them to become the largest developer for Linux (it guarantees a large percentage of sales to a platform even if the platform is comparatively small).

Sycron
September 3rd, 2008, 04:32 PM
Now why couldn't Blizzard just support Linux. I mean, they've supported Mac OS X. We wouldn't be having this argument if both Valve and Blizzard ported their games which already use OpenGL.

I understand it is a pain for them and there is little monetary incentive but logically it couldn't hurt for them to become the largest developer for Linux (it guarantees a large percentage of sales to a platform even if the platform is comparatively small).

Linux is free. I would have more money to buy games, rather than give my Lei(currency on Romania) on that Windows... And buying their nations of closed software available widely for Windows.

RedPandaFox
September 4th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Hehe, my Xbox runs Linux better than when it had MS on it :lolflag:

mike1234
September 4th, 2008, 12:26 AM
Care less. Works for me.

Buy a console or something.

+1 I totally agree. I find game consoles much more enjoyable than computer gaming. You can buy an Xbox, PS3 and a Nintendo for the cost of some top line PC game machines.

M.

MidsummerDreams
September 4th, 2008, 12:32 AM
+1 I totally agree. I find game consoles much more enjoyable than computer gaming. You can buy an Xbox, PS3 and a Nintendo for the cost of some top line PC game machines.

M.

Tell that to a hardcore PC gaming fanatic and they'll blast off on how crappy the hardware is compared to their $3,000 PC rig. Well, durr!

Besides, who cares what anyone else uses. I could care less.... as long as I can do what I do with what I want, that's all that matters. (you did see how many I's was used in that sentence didn't you? ;) ).

Zero Prime
September 4th, 2008, 12:45 AM
I use linux for Counter-Strike server, redtube (faster than on windows) playing with compiz fusion,music,movies but it's not worthy to loose alot things for just to switch completely to linux. Would you realize that i'll lose my nose hair because of booring if i switch 100% to linux
Am I the only one that noticed porn running faster on Linux as a reason that it may be better than Windows. (RedTube):lolflag:

zmjjmz
September 4th, 2008, 12:46 AM
Valve is probably working on a Linux port, and Blizzard has no incentive to port it, because it already works in WINE.

wersdaluv
September 4th, 2008, 12:47 AM
I play playstation on my Ubuntu.

BOBSONATOR
September 4th, 2008, 12:47 AM
get a console for gaming, i havent pc gamed in eons it feels.

david_lynch
September 4th, 2008, 12:48 AM
I'm a gamer, but I don't do windows. So there are some games I haven't played, obviously. That's OK, there are more than enough. If I ever see a game that I absolutely must have, and I'm not able to play it on linux, that's when I'll break down and buy a game console.

Probably a ps3, so I can use it to watch blu-ray DVDs:popcorn:

MidsummerDreams
September 4th, 2008, 12:58 AM
Am I the only one that noticed porn running faster on Linux as a reason that it may be better than Windows. (RedTube):lolflag:

:KS :popcorn:

:)

Tindytim
September 4th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Am I the only one that noticed porn running faster on Linux as a reason that it may be better than Windows. (RedTube):lolflag:
No.

I just didn't have a PG comment.

mr.propre
September 4th, 2008, 11:53 AM
Well I don't now if I'm right, but the way I feel it, Linux is developed for common computer tasks like word processing, e-mail, internet, instant messaging and some music. Things you do allot at an office (and @ home). I think the reason behind this is that company's are still the biggest market for Linux (to earn money).

The same counts for Microsoft, they get rich thanks to the company's using windows, the home user is just a small percentage.

Canis familiaris
September 4th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Linux sucks for gaming.

It's a fact.

Nope

Gaming sucks in Linux.

What you are saying is a myth.

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Lostincyberspace
September 4th, 2008, 02:21 PM
Nope

Gaming sucks in Linux.

What you are saying is a myth.

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Thats a lot of talk for no proof.

Or are you just trying to get yourself flamed?

ronnielsen1
September 4th, 2008, 02:23 PM
My friend keep saying that linux suck because of gaming

Tell him that Windows suck because of viruses.
My son said that was the only thing he didn't like about linux but it's getting better. I play all kinds of games.

CrazyArcher
September 4th, 2008, 02:35 PM
Unavailability of games for Linux is developers' fault. Some games adapted/ported to Linux actually run better than on Windows (like UT2004, IME).

xuCGC002
September 4th, 2008, 03:06 PM
As said by everyone else, get a console. Last time I checked most games run on WINE.

clanky
September 4th, 2008, 03:15 PM
If all someone wants to use a PC for is gaming then Linux is probably not the best option. As for buying a console, why should someone who has a working system and probably quite a few PC games go out and buy a console? If your friend wants to try Linux, but the gaming issue is a problem then he / she can dual boot with windows, if your friend doesn't want to try Linux and simply wants to say how awful it is then nothing you can say is likely to change their minds anyway.

You do need need to defend your own decision to use whatever operating system you choose to use.

Sephoroth
September 4th, 2008, 03:16 PM
Both ways practically mean the same thing (reversing the order of the sentence didn't really change any possible interpretations).

Canis familiaris
September 4th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Thats a lot of talk for no proof.

Or are you just trying to get yourself flamed?

Do you want to start a flame?

Isn't the fact that Games are not designed for Linux proves the fact that the Gaming Companies and Gaming sucks in Linux rather than Vice-Versa. Linux doesn't lack any capability for gaming and it is only the short-sightedness of the Gaming Companies that Games are not made for Linux.
Linux as a platform is great for games, as good as Windows if not better. And there's no argument and no proof is needed. Play Nexuiz, Doom 3, Quake in Linux as well as games in WINE and you'll know how wonderful games perform in Linux inspite of poor drivers from nVidia and ATi.
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Canis familiaris
September 4th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Both ways practically mean the same thing (reversing the order of the sentence didn't really change any possible interpretations).
Nope.

Linux sucks in Gaming would mean inferiority of the Linux Platoform to run games and as a result Linux is unable to run Games which is untrue and FUD.
Gaming sucks in Linux would mean Games are not designed for Linux and games are unable to run in Linux.

So both statements are totally different.

Sephoroth
September 4th, 2008, 04:12 PM
As far as I can tell both of you are on the same side (your statement and the original one can be interpreted both positively and negatively; yours simply changes the location of the word "sucks" so that it isn't right after "Linux" XD).

I guess I will soon be corrected if wrong.

EDIT:
Nope.

Linux sucks in Gaming would mean inferiority of the Linux Platoform to run games and as a result Linux is unable to run Games which is untrue and FUD.
Gaming sucks in Linux would mean Games are not designed for Linux and games are unable to run in Linux.

So both statements are totally different.

I would not say they are totally different as both will lead hardcore gamers to believe that therefore "Linux sucks for gaming" whereas those knowledgeable would know that "Linux sucks for gaming" due to that mere design incompatibility. On a grammatical and technical level I see your statement to be more accurate, however, as far as I know it was already the general consensus of people here.

god0fgod
September 4th, 2008, 04:51 PM
Everyone should know now that video games are best on consoles for compatibilty, cheapness and range. Gamming on Windows is such a big no no for me. It will last 2 months probably and Windows is annoying for anything.

mips
September 4th, 2008, 05:46 PM
Linux doesn't lack any capability for gaming and it is only the short-sightedness of the Gaming Companies that Games are not made for Linux.
Linux as a platform is great for games, as good as Windows if not better.

Not so sure about that. From what I gather it is easier to create games for DirectX than OpenGL. DirectX seems to take care of the gfx, audio & input devices from a holistic approach.

Maybe once OpenGL, OpenAl & whatever other OpenXX standards have tighter integration things will change. This is probably one are Linux needs developers & money invested in.

Shadowmeph
September 4th, 2008, 06:07 PM
He's just saying me that , I know it's not true but what i can answer ?

GTA 4 would be linux native ? :|

its not that Linux sucks its that the people that make those games are way to lazy and to greedy to make it so they can Run on a Linux system , I love Linux I used to be a total Microsoft only person but now I try to stay away from all Microsoft things. if you really think of it normally you buy a computer for the internet or company things and not for gaming because computers are a little more expensive then a xbox or what ever.

Canis familiaris
September 5th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Not so sure about that. From what I gather it is easier to create games for DirectX than OpenGL. DirectX seems to take care of the gfx, audio & input devices from a holistic approach.

Maybe once OpenGL, OpenAl & whatever other OpenXX standards have tighter integration things will change. This is probably one are Linux needs developers & money invested in.

Thats true. But I think it is outside the scope of Linux kernel and distros for really decide on gaming. Isn't it? And really if they even come up with good API however it would be a tough call to convince Gaming Companies to code on it.

As far OpenGL goes currently, it is not focusing on gaming. Isn't it?
But atleast I can dream for OpenXX standards to integrate and focus on gaming as well

gjoellee
September 5th, 2008, 06:12 PM
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