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Kernel Sanders
September 2nd, 2008, 11:21 PM
Why?

Today Google have unveiled their intention to create a cross platform browser for the masses, starting with a windows beta. It's a milestone by anyone's definition.

There is discussion of the browser itself, potential linux and mac compatibility, whether it will be gtk or qt4, it's features, look and feel, people actually trying to compile it for linux etc.. yet it has all been buried in the back of beyond in "windows discussions".

Seems very churlish. Almost out of spite because google aren't quite ready with their linux version yet. At least that's the impression this has given off.

I don't recall all google earth/picasa etc discussions buried there before there was a linux compatible version?

What if a website announces a ground breaking service that will initially only be available to IE users initially, will that be buried there also? I don't expect so....

Also there is a very practical reason to move it back from being buried in windows discussions, duplicate threads. The most obvious place for it is Community cafe, and so when someone is looking for a discussion of it there and doesn't find it, they're going to start a thread on it, which will then be endlessly repeated the more you move those threads over to Windows Discussions.

Can we move it back please, so that more people will see it and be able to take part, and so the discussion won't be fragmented by endless new threads on the topic in the community cafe?

Cheers :KS

jpeddicord
September 3rd, 2008, 12:33 AM
I moved it back; I can agree to that. Not sure how it ended up in that forum, maybe the topic was started there?

LaRoza
September 3rd, 2008, 12:38 AM
I moved it back; I can agree to that. Not sure how it ended up in that forum, maybe the topic was started there?

No. I moved them because they are Windows only software discussion threads. It is misleading to have them in the Cafe.

We have always had Windows only software discussions in the Windows forum.

jpeddicord
September 3rd, 2008, 12:41 AM
No. I moved them because they are Windows only software discussion threads. It is misleading to have them in the Cafe.

We have always had Windows only software discussions in the Windows forum.

Oh, okay. Though really, I wouldn't see it as Windows exclusive, considering that the source is available (http://dev.chromium.org) for a limited Linux build, and that the full build is just around the corner.

LaRoza
September 3rd, 2008, 12:45 AM
Oh, okay. Though really, I wouldn't see it as Windows exclusive, considering that the source is available (http://dev.chromium.org) for a limited Linux build, and that the full build is just around the corner.

Around the corner is not here ;)

The reason why I moved it because it is a great thing (well, lots of hype and positive reviews) but it is a crash when one finds out it is Windows only.

Even if it is only at the moment, I think it is only fair to people like me willing to try out a new browser, only to find out I can't do it.

It is Windows software.

(Now that we've all broken the rules, @OP Yes, they were in the Windows forum, and I always move Windows only software discussions to the Windows forum)

KiwiNZ
September 3rd, 2008, 01:53 AM
I will look at this and respond in due course.

It may be a while as there is a few entries in the res centre today. Please be patient

KiwiNZ
September 3rd, 2008, 02:16 AM
While this is initially a windows beta release I think there is general interest in this development

It is in this case appropriate for it to be in the General discussion area

Edit: yikes , but which one , links please

LaRoza
September 3rd, 2008, 02:19 AM
While this is initially a windows beta release I think there is general interest in this development

It is in this case appropriate for it to be in the General discussion area

Edit: yikes , but which one , links please

I'd move them back, but I didn't move all of them to Windows. I think the current ones in the Cafe (and future ones) are suitable (and there is one in the PT). The reviewing ones and screenshot ones should stay in Windows forum (to not have all of them in a line in the Cafe)

I'd move them all back, but I think that would create a lot more confusion.

Joeb454
September 3rd, 2008, 02:25 AM
I think basically - leave all Google Chrome threads where they are now, it's easier that way ;)

Unless we create a huge single thread for it, or move them all to Recurring Discussions?

KiwiNZ
September 3rd, 2008, 02:28 AM
I think basically - leave all Google Chrome threads where they are now, it's easier that way ;)

Unless we create a huge single thread for it, or move them all to Recurring Discussions?


Thats a good idea

Kernel Sanders
September 3rd, 2008, 10:21 AM
I wouldn't say it's a "recurring discussion"? After all, the current fuss is just over the fact that it was released a few hours ago, and all firefox/pidgin etc threads aren't instantly moved there?

For me it just seems a no brainer that these are in the cafe. If I was looking for a google chrome thread, that's where i'd look, and if I didn't find one i'd create it, which would leave the forum looking messy :( (Which is why there are a 6 google chrome threads moved to windows discussions, and a further 2 new ones in the cafe right now)

It's certainly not a windows discussion though. If you're going down that route then that will set a bad precident to follow and generally leave people scratching their heads. Google Chrome is a cross platform browser of interest to everyone, not just windows users.

btw, here are the threads clogging up the windows forum:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=907450
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=908548
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=908780
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=908874
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=908641
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=908697

IMHO, the best course of action would be to either move them all to the cafe and let the users pick the one they want to post in, or simply move them all to the cafe and merge them into one massive "Google Chrome Mega Thread"

Cheers :KS

Kernel Sanders
September 3rd, 2008, 09:37 PM
Since I can't respond to La Roza's thread in her thread in the Resolution Centre, i'll do it in here if I may?

I raised a legitimate question in this forum which i'm glad to see has attracted sensible discussion. Your jokey little thread is childish, irritating, bordering on offensive, and extremely ill advised. Why have you broken off discussion of the issue from the existing thread in here in so juvenile a manner?

In all honesty I have never subscribed to the criticism that is so often directed at you and your behaviour as a moderator. However, by behaving in such a way and demonstrating the complete lack of judgement that you have, you make their criticisms all the more valid :(

I am very surprised to see that a legitimate concern has been made the subject of fun and derision, and as a consequence along with I myself, which I really don't appreciate.

Can people seeking a review of their infraction expect a similar thread of derision that they are unable to respond to directly?

KiwiNZ
September 3rd, 2008, 10:44 PM
Interim decision

I have requested staff to merge the Chrome threads and place them in the recurring discussion area.

LaRoza
September 3rd, 2008, 10:53 PM
Interim decision

I have requested staff to merge the Chrome threads and place them in the recurring discussion area.

Here they are: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5721494

Some are not part of the thread, ones dealing with specific issues (at the moment)

@Kernel Sanders That thread was mistakeningly posted in the Resolution Centre and I moved it once I realised it. Also, the people who don't like me are those in the OPP, and everyone else has a different opinion. I have stopped regular posting in the OPP anyway.