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maynoth
November 14th, 2005, 01:27 AM
I think if Ubuntu is going to take off it is going to need more development funds. It will have to evolve to the point that any person can use and install without understanding the CLI. Mr Shuttleworth is an awesome guy but even a rich philanthropist like him will at some point quit funding this project. I think the time is now to begin discussing ways for canonical to start standing on its own feet. In any case any extra money would speed up development. I want to see Microsoft die a horrible swift death, the more Canonical has to spend on R&D the faster that will happen.



Here are some ideas I have had to help boost revenue.


1. Offer an Ubuntu Linux Certification (like Comptia etc)

2. Sell Training Materials (Books, DVDs, Flashcards, Software, etc.)

3. Sell Ubuntu Merchandise (shirts, hats, plushies, backpacks, etc.)

4. A Secured Cash-back Ubuntu Credit Card, where all profit went to Canonical Inc. (no risk to canonical because it is a secured card)

5. Offer Supporters and die hard fans of ubuntu a chance give money without donating out of their own pocket. Perhaps like a program that loads at start-up which displays scrolling ads (which you can rent out) and might use their computer resources while idle to do distributed computing work (also which you can rent out). This could be a totally voluntary program and be offered as a non-bundled separate download for windows, macOS, ubuntu etc... this way no one could accuse you of installing spy-ware on their machines etc. You could ask people to run it to help support ubuntu and make it a community wide effort. I am sure it would be able to generate lots of revenue. Maybe also you could have a reward system to receive ubuntu merchandice after so many hours were completed. (I would run this 24X7 to help support the cause)

6. Build a Separate Commercial Project... Like PayBuntu or something... which would include a DVD Player, XMMS, Mplayer, etc. with all the non-free software that Ubuntu is missing... Maybe polish it over like Xandros etc. (hey I would buy it!) Most consumers feel anything free must not be worth having, or it must have a catch. Having a Cheap Walmart Version (tm) would definitely get some the project some exposure.

7. How bout an Ubuntu Linux Magazine, with lots of cool articles tips and how-to's?

I am looking forward to everyone elses ideas... maybe the Canonical managers will take notice!

aysiu
November 14th, 2005, 01:32 AM
It will have to evolve to the point that any person can use and install without understand the CLI. No operating system can be installed by any person.

teaker1s
November 14th, 2005, 01:36 AM
think you'll find that mark shuttleworth has a new paid for linux aimed at enterprise and with his backing ubuntu doesn't have any risk of financial problems

Sirin
November 14th, 2005, 01:39 AM
6. Build a Separate Commercial Project... Like PayBuntu or something...


That name seems very disturbing. :???:

maynoth
November 14th, 2005, 01:40 AM
I didn't mean this thread to bash ubuntu or upset anyone.

It's just reality that the more money Canonical Inc. has for R&D on Ubuntu the faster it is going to evolve. I really think they need to be generating as much money as possible to speed development.

brownie17
November 14th, 2005, 01:43 AM
scrap option 6. option 5 is good though.
if it it ever happens, tell me about it.

maynoth
November 14th, 2005, 01:44 AM
How bout an Ubuntu Linux Magazine, with lots of cool articles tips and how-to's?

panickedthumb
November 14th, 2005, 02:02 AM
Option 6 is sort of already in the works. Impilinux.

5 isn't a bad idea, but it's kinda weird too. Not sure what I think yet.

The first 3 are great.

fuscia
November 14th, 2005, 02:12 AM
ubuntu porn. you know...wallpapers, icons, widgets, etc.

az
November 14th, 2005, 02:36 AM
I think if Ubuntu is going to take off it is going to need more development funds.


Ubuntu *has* taken off. You mostly do not need the CLI to do stuff, but most of the issues you are thinking of are not the responsability of the distributer, but of the upstream developers.

Gnome is almost there and will get there really soon.

As for financial sustainability, well Ubuntu is not responsable for that. Canonical is a for-profit company which is pouring a lot of ressources into launchpad. They are already offering translation services through it and are generating some revenue that way. Launchpad.net

Some have referred to Impilinux as a proprietary-enhanced Ubuntu. I do not think this is so. I think it is an effort to add to the south african IT marketplace. I doubt it is an effort to fill any perceived void in what Ubuntu can't offer. That is more or less against the values that Mark Shuttleworth seems to hold important.

So, if you want Canonical to do well, try to support Ubuntu and make it the best desktop OS you can think of. That way, all the ancillary services that Canonical are developing will follow along with the Ubuntu Community.

earobinson
November 14th, 2005, 03:19 AM
Note Im not trying to be rude, I think that ubuntu should make money also but. (I also used ubuntu interchangiably with Canonical sorry will edit when i have had more sleap)

1. I think this is what you are talking about: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/partners/program

2. I think this is a bad idea since we (including mark) want to spread ubuntu not force people to buy a book inorder to understand it. I think that open source is usless without open documentation

3. great idea an you can do it now http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop (this is indorced by ubuntu and they get some profit from it)

4. not sure i understand

5. ewwwww on of the great things about oo software is no virus or spyware or any of that crap

6. never mark made ubuntu so that thirdworld contruies could run linux in schools (hence ebuntu) for him to make his goals the full featured ubuntu needs to be free

7. this would be a cool idea.

There was a vidieo on the forums a while back where mark was talking about ubuntu and its goals (i cant find the link but i can post a torrent if some one writes a how to lol, hes at a debian convention talking about the debian ubuntu fork, delta, spoon thingy lol) but in ths video he says "my goal is for Canonical is not to make money but to set a standard for other companies to base there services off" (or something like that). he also states that he has put enoughf money away in his will to keep ubuntu running for a very long time (more than our lifetime).

Should ubuntu make money yes and mark says this would be a great thing if ubuntu could become a self sustaining os, but it has to be done in a way that would not ruin any of the goals for ubuntu.

Brunellus
November 14th, 2005, 03:28 AM
Bake sales.

Ubuntu cookies. mmmm.

Qrk
November 14th, 2005, 04:02 AM
ubuntu porn. you know...wallpapers, icons, widgets, etc.

Ever try warty?

az
November 14th, 2005, 04:33 AM
Bake sales.

Ubuntu cookies. mmmm.



Mmmmm UbuntuBread....

Recipe:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=116223&postcount=27

ygidanoc
November 14th, 2005, 08:05 AM
I agree that Ubuntu needs to make money any and every way it can, so it can compete with commercial distributions like Xandros, Linspire, etc. Mark is not going to back Ubuntu indefinitely and the sooner his baby can walk on its own the better.

I especially like your idea about running the ad and distributing computing software in return for ubuntu merchandise etc. As long as it was not invasive and could be closed out of easily like SETI at home etc. Overall I think that is an AWESOME IDEA, I hope it catches on.