View Full Version : Thread on Ned Kelly and other outlaws closed

August 18th, 2008, 07:40 PM
My thread has just been closed -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=893655

This individual is an Australian national hero. The thread was closed apparently because I said "Unfortunately someone did warn them" in relation to Kelly and his gang not killing a train load of police officers sent to kill them.

The police officers in this case were representing the state of Victoria in Australia at a time when it was state policy to oppress many diverse ethnic peoples.

Many supporters of Ned Kelly seen him then, and see him now as a hero who was fighting against tyranny and oppression in the same light as William Wallace (scottish guy, movie -> Braveheart), America's own George Washington, Che Guevera, Michael Collins etc.

This is absolutely no reason for this thread to be closed whatsoever unless any thread talking about ANYONE getting killed in ANY conflict is to be closed.

If I said it was unfortunate Hitler was not killed before he caused all that trouble would that thread be closed ?

This is absolutely going too far. This was a harmless thread about a countries national hero and similar heroes all throughout the world.

If i start a post about the movie Braveheart and say that its a pity those English soldiers weren't killed before cutting Mr Wallace's wife's throat is it going to get closed ?

August 18th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Since I can't edit my post I want to add this.

Edward "Ned" Kelly (3 June 1855 11 November 1880) was an Australian bushranger, and, to some, a folk hero for his defiance of the colonial authorities. Kelly was born in Victoria to an Irish convict father, and as a young man he clashed with the police. Following an incident at his home in 1878, police parties searched for him in the bush. After he murdered three policemen, the colony proclaimed Kelly and his gang wanted outlaws. A final violent confrontation with police took place at Glenrowan. Kelly, dressed in home-made plate metal armour and helmet, was captured and sent to jail. He was hanged for murder at Old Melbourne Gaol in 1880. His daring and notoriety made him an iconic figure in Australian history, folk lore, literature, art and film.

Ned is a hero to many many people.

I remember a very similar thread on this very same forum about William Wallace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braveheart before and it was not closed even after numerous comments about killing English soldiers.

And a hundred other threads dealing with other killings including the American war of Independence, WW1 and WW2, Vietnam etc etc.

And my thread wasn't just about one guy, it was about many.

America's own Jesse James. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_James for one simple example.

August 18th, 2008, 08:08 PM
And one more ....

Ned Kelly as a political icon

In the time since his execution, Ned Kelly has been mythologized among some into a Robin Hood,[23] a political revolutionary and a figure of Irish Catholic and working-class resistance to the establishment and British colonial ties.[24] It is claimed that Kelly's bank robberies were to fund the push for a "Republic of the North-East of Victoria", and that the police found a declaration of the republic in his pocket when he was captured, which has led to him being seen as an icon by some in the Australian republicanism cause.

I find the closing of this thread extremely offensive.

If it is right to not discuss this then it is not right to discuss 99% of the national heroes of my country who fought an oppressive evil tyrannical government and regularly killed so called 'police officers' of the state who were there to keep the local population in subservience.

August 18th, 2008, 08:36 PM
I will look at this and come back as soon as I can

August 19th, 2008, 12:05 AM
I will look at this and come back as soon as I can

After thinking about it, I realised the OP didn't mean to say what I had perceived and re-opened the thread.