is it possible that microsoft can get some idea on linux source code?

[mdialogo]

is it possible that microsoft can view linux source code and use it to enhance their windows os?

[Delever]

Of course.

[Zlatan]

is it possible that microsoft can view linux source code and use it to enhance their windows os?

i definitely think- yes. of course, if linux is open source:)

[zmjjmz]

So long as the provide the source code, yes.

[pheonixind]

Yes, but why would they want a stable OS? They make money on their new "more stable" versions.

[jsiei97]

is it possible that microsoft can view linux source code and use it to enhance their windows os?

Both yes and no, that kind off companies kind off dislike the GPL license since it could infect there own codebase...

However code under BSD type license can help big companies and don't force them to give anything back, here Apple MacOSX is a good example.

/Johan

[mikjp]

Of course. But they prefer copying source code from BSD, as BSD license allows keeping derivative software closed.

mikko

[Newuser1111]

is it possible that microsoft can view linux source code and use it to enhance their windows os?Apple already does. So why not Microsoft?

[Steveway]

Microsoft uses (used?!) the TCP/IP Stack from BSD because they couldn't get it right.

[lukjad]

Windows can always copy Linux but it would be shooting itself in the foot because it would at least partially open source. Balmer would rather die than here of that.

[original_jamingrit]

Microsoft is able to learn from the linux source without infringing on the GPL. They just can't copy and paste specific ideas or code. But they are able to take general ideas and implement them in a proprietary system.

[Riffer]

They probably have already. I'm hope its not done as a corporate decision, but I would think a few of their coders have looked/copied some OSS.

[spupy]

Microsoft is able to learn from the linux source without infringing on the GPL. They just can't copy and paste specific ideas or code. But they are able to take general ideas and implement them in a proprietary system.

Exactly. What makes Linux is not programming hacks that can be copy-pasted by MS to make Windows better.

By the way, is there any way to check if a close-source project is illegally using code from open source?

[MaxIBoy]

I would be very sad to hear that Windows contains Linux code. I think it would reflect badly on Linux's reputation if that were discovered.

[Riffer]

I would be very sad to hear that Windows contains Linux code. I think it would reflect badly on Linux's reputation if that were discovered.

Really? I would think that it would just offer more proof that given decent code MS can still screw it up. :)

[DeadSuperHero]

Really? I would think that it would just offer more proof that given decent code MS can still screw it up. :)

Or that we could use it to make them cough up more code for the Wine project.

[MaxIBoy]

Yeah. We should hold out for the full source to DirectX 10 if that happens.

[Fixman]

95% of windows is copied from Open Source projects. So yes.

[lukjad]

Tabbed browsing comes from Firefox (If I am not mistaken) and suddenly IE has it too. Hmmmm...

[Hyper Tails]

From my mind.....yes.
because they should decrease the price the price a bit. Well ALOT because its so high and i would have to say alot of money for it and its like the preduim is $150!! and the uiltame is $400!!!!

When you install it. it come with barely anything!!!

its comes with a caulator (Oh boy a caulator i can make a good project from this handy thing) not..

but Linux in hand come with everything you need like openoffice,pidgen,firefox,voip ekia softphone,gimp

i dual boot with vista and hardy and to be telling the truth i think Linux is better..

GO Linux GO GO GO!!!111!!!

windows could do the same thing to.

then i would say GO WINDOWS AND LINUX GO GO GO!!!111!!!

enough said

[zipperback]

is it possible that microsoft can view linux source code and use it to enhance their windows os?

Microsoft has in many ways used open source for their systems, not just from Linux but many open source code bases.

You do realize where their TCP/IP stack comes from RIGHT?

- zipperback
:popcorn:

[iwc5893]

Can anyone name one thing that MS has added to their various OS's/programs that somebody else didn't come up with first? Just about everything that MS has released has been an attempt to include something that somebody else had first.

[Ozor Mox]

Microsoft has in many ways used open source for their systems.

You do realize where their TCP/IP stack comes from RIGHT?

- zipperback
:popcorn:

Does anyone know how that got found out? The biggest problem I'd have thought would not be that Microsoft can look at the Linux source code and get ideas, but that they can actually copy it right in, and there would be no evidence that they did because the OS is proprietary.

[zipperback]

Does anyone know how that got found out?

The TCP/IP stack in Windows was derived from the BSD TCP/IP stack which is available under the BSD License. It is quite legal for them to use it.

Open source doesn't always mean they can't use it legally in their closed source system.

- zipperback
:popcorn:

[LaRoza]

They are limited, even if they wanted to steal. The kernel code is very specific and would be useless to Windows devs for the most part. Anything worth taking, they should take (ext3 support for example, noone would complain if they built support for that into Windows!)

[steveneddy]

Tabbed browsing comes from Firefox (If I am not mistaken) and suddenly IE has it too. Hmmmm...

The IE devs actually paid the Firefox devs to "share" the code with the new IE under the guise that it would make the new Firefox work better with Windows.

[articpenguin]

I know 1 filesystem feature they copied

Microsoft copied XFSs direct I/O feature and implemented it on ntfs for vista.

Like i said before Microsoft dosent invent ideas they copy them,buy smaller companys and brand there names on it and hire people to write stuff like they hired david cutler to write the lousy nt kernel.

[Ozor Mox]

The TCP/IP stack in Windows was derived from the BSD TCP/IP stack which is available under the BSD License. It is quite legal for them to use it.

Open source doesn't always mean they can't use it legally in their closed source system.

- zipperback
:popcorn:

Yes I know it is perfectly legal since it is BSD licenced, but I mean how did it get discovered that BSD's TCP/IP stack was in Windows, since no one can see the code? Did they publish this fact? And if so, why would they want to?

[Giant Speck]

From my mind.....yes.
because they should decrease the price the price a bit. Well ALOT because its so high and i would have to say alot of money for it and its like the preduim is $150!! and the uiltame is $400!!!!

When you install it. it come with barely anything!!!

its comes with a caulator (Oh boy a caulator i can make a good project from this handy thing) not..

but Linux in hand come with everything you need like openoffice,pidgen,firefox,voip ekia softphone,gimp

i dual boot with vista and hardy and to be telling the truth i think Linux is better..

GO Linux GO GO GO!!!111!!!

windows could do the same thing to.

then i would say GO WINDOWS AND LINUX GO GO GO!!!111!!!

enough said

Stop posting until you can learn some damn English. Or stop pressing the shift key at the wrong time.

[MellonCollie]

Tabbed browsing comes from Firefox (If I am not mistaken)

Some history...8)


Six years later, in 1994, BookLink Technologies featured tabbed windows in its InternetWorks browser. That same year, a text editor called UltraEdit also appeared with a modern multi-row tabbed interface. The tabbed interface approach was then followed by the Internet Explorer shell NetCaptor in 1997. These were followed by a number of others like IBrowse in 1999, Opera in 2000 (with the release of version 4), Mozilla in 2001 (through the MultiZilla extension developed by HJ van Rantwijk in October of 2000 and a built-in tabbed browsing mode added to Mozilla 0.9.5 in October of 2001), Konqueror 3.1 in January 2003, and Safari in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_document_interface

[Redache]

You do realize where their TCP/IP stack comes from RIGHT?

And they've even managed to make that not work properly. I've seen some infuriating things go wrong with it for no reason.

Microsoft probably do take ideas from Open Source Projects but it's impossible to really know because Microsoft wouldn't exactly lord over the fact.

[Hyper Tails]

Stop posting until you can learn some damn English. Or stop pressing the shift key at the wrong time.

get some tea,or some ice cream, listen to some smooth jazz and RELAX!!!

we all make some typeos at time

i just like making (!!!111!!!) when i am happy.

shech!!!!!!

don't flip out

[shadylookin]

Yes MS can take ideas freely from open source code. Copyright(as per my understanding) really only covers a specific implementation. So even if code is gpled they can still use ideas they just can't copy and paste the code and claim it as theirs.

[Giant Speck]

get some tea,or some ice cream, listen to some smooth jazz and RELAX!!!

we all make some typeos at time

i just like making (!!!111!!!) when i am happy.

shech!!!!!!

don't flip out

You try to defend making occasional typos by spelling typos incorrectly. Sure... I'll relax.

[PurposeOfReason]

95% of windows is copied from Open Source projects. So yes.
Proof please.

[Riffer]

You try to defend making occasional typos by spelling typos incorrectly. Sure... I'll relax.

While I do appreciate your feelings around typos, spelling and grammar, there are better (and more polite) ways of getting your point across.

Edited to add: From this forums code of conduct.

"Be respectful of all users at all times. This means please use etiquette and politeness. Treat people with kindness and gentleness. If you do this the rest of the code of conduct won't need more than a cursory mention."

[Giant Speck]

While I do appreciate your feelings around typos, spelling and grammar, there are better (and more polite) ways of getting your point across.

Edited to add: From this forums code of conduct.

"Be respectful of all users at all times. This means please use etiquette and politeness. Treat people with kindness and gentleness. If you do this the rest of the code of conduct won't need more than a cursory mention."

I was done when I made that comment. And I wasn't trying to be impolite by making it. If he really had a problem with it, he would have reported the post, but it seems he has not as I would have been notified already.

Oh, and while we are quoting the code of conduct, it seems you have skipped this one:


11. If you have found a post that you feel is inappropriate or that violates the forum code of conduct, please use the report post function. Do not attempt to moderate discussions or correct other users yourself.

I have nothing more for this thread, so have a nice day. :)

[Riffer]

I was done when I made that comment. And I wasn't trying to be impolite by making it. If he really had a problem with it, he would have reported the post, but it seems he has not as I would have been notified already.

Oh, and while we are quoting the code of conduct, it seems you have skipped this one:



I have nothing more for this thread, so have a nice day. :)

LMAO touche`

[Canis familiaris]

You try to defend making occasional typos by spelling typos incorrectly. Sure... I'll relax.

Do you realise someone could be dyslexic or physically handicapped?

[Hyper Tails]

Do you realise somesone could be dyslexic or physically handicapped?

i'm not dyslexic or handicapped

but i just make alot of mistakes sometimes.

i think we should get back to the topic.

[Canis familiaris]

i'm not dyslexic or handicapped

but i just make alot of mistakes sometimes.

i think we should get back to the topic.

I was making a generalised statement. Anyway there is nothing wrong in making mistake. You should have Reported Him somehow.
/off topic

Back to the topic
It is unlikely because Microsoft would not prefer to use GPL based products.

[jsiei97]

i think we should get back to the topic.

Sorry I think the topic is lost :rolleyes:

/Johan