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Sporkman
July 31st, 2008, 03:01 AM
http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/07/29/Microsoft_prepares_for_end_of_Windows_with_Midori_ 1.html


Microsoft prepares for end of Windows with Midori

Midori is a componentized, non-Windows OS that will take advantage of technologies developed since the advent of Windows and likely will be Internet-based

By Elizabeth Montalbano, IDG News Service

July 29, 2008

With the Internet increasingly taking on the role of the PC operating system and the growing prevalence of virtualization technologies, there will be a day when the Microsoft Windows client OS as it's been developed for the past 20-odd years becomes obsolete.

Microsoft seems to be preparing for that day with an incubation project code-named Midori, which seeks to create a componentized, non-Windows OS that will take advantage of technologies not available when Windows first was conceived, according to published reports.

Although Microsoft won't comment publicly on what Midori is, the company has confirmed that it exists. Several reports -- the most comprehensive to date published on Tuesday by Software Development Times -- have gone much further than that.

That report paints Midori as an Internet-centric OS, based on the idea of connected systems, that largely eliminates the dependencies between local applications and the hardware they run on that exist with a typical OS today.

The report claims Midori is an offshoot of Microsoft Research's Singularity OS, which creates "software-isolated processes" to reduce the dependencies between individual applications, and between the applications and the OS itself.

With the ability today to run an OS, applications -- and even an entire PC desktop of applications -- in a virtual container using a hypervisor, the need to have the OS and applications installed natively on a PC is becoming less and less, said Brian Madden, an independent technology analyst.

"Why do you need it?" he said. "Now we have hypervisors everywhere."

Madden suggested that a future OS could actually be a hypervisor itself, with virtual containers of applications running on top of it that can be transferred easily to other devices because they don't have client-side dependencies to each other.

And while he has no information about Midori beyond the published reports, he said descriptions of it as an Internet-centric system that provides an overall "connectedness" between applications and devices makes sense for the future of cloud computing and on-demand services. Microsoft likely recognizes the need for this even if the actual technology is still five or more years out, Madden said.

"They're preparing for the day when people realize we don't need Windows anymore" and thinking about what they will do to remain relevant, he said.

Indeed, Microsoft has been emphasizing its virtualization strategy, based on its new Hyper-V hypervisor, beyond merely virtualizing the server OS. The company also is moving full steam ahead with plans to virtualize applications and the desktop OS as well.

Using virtualization in these scenarios would eliminate the problems with application compatibility that are still giving headaches to Vista users, and that have made the OS a liability rather than a boon for some Windows power users and enterprise customers.

If Midori is close to what people think it is, it will represent a "major paradigm shift" for Windows users and be no easy task for Microsoft to pull off, said Andrew Brust, chief of new technology for the consulting firm Twentysix New York.

He said challenges to an OS like Midori would be both technological complexities and the "sobering compromises" that must be made when a product moves from being a research project into commercialization. "I would expect those in abundance with something of this scope and import," Brust said.

Though he has not been briefed by Microsoft on Midori, Brust said the idea makes sense because Microsoft needs to drastically update Windows to stay current with new business models and computing paradigms that exist today -- particularly to help the company compete against Google on the Web.

"Breaking with the legacy of a product that first shipped 23 years ago seems wholly necessary in terms of keeping the product manageable and in sync with computing’s state of the art," Brust said. "If Midori isn’t real, then I imagine something of this nature still must be in the works. It’s absolutely as necessary, if not more so, to Microsoft's survival as their initiatives around Internet advertising, search and cloud computing offerings."

SunnyRabbiera
July 31st, 2008, 03:07 AM
The problem with a web OS is that yes the technology is there but I would never use one as its probasbly going to be insecure as hell and take up bandwidth.

FuturePilot
July 31st, 2008, 03:12 AM
And dialup users or users with bandwidth limits? What about them? :confused:

Not to mention, what would be the point of have a machine with a quad core CPU and 4GB of RAM? Hardware keeps getting more powerful and they want to go back to a dumb terminal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_terminal#Dumb_terminal)?

Doesn't make any sense.

Mr. Picklesworth
July 31st, 2008, 03:28 AM
I helped someone today over the phone who had trouble with his scanner. I pointed him to Epson's support web site.

"But I don't have the Internet"

*Gasp*
*Whispers amongst coworkers*
*More shocked gasps*
*Dear sweet mother of God*

"...Then GET the Internet!"

The conversation ended quite abruptly. I think that particular venting, while perhaps a tad cruel, saved us from dying of horror.


Err, in short, there are indeed people without Internet connections and evidently there are reasons not to want / have one available. Midori would be suicidal for Microsoft.
...Excellent.

What I sense with the Midori rumour is that Microsoft really likes the centralized service model. Centralization is why I am skipping out on most of this web 2.0 craze. Basically, if someone starts using Microsoft's online services, it is not a stretch for those services to become unmovable. Heck, it happened long ago with web hosts who offer free domain hosting. They are entirely capable of holding users hostage over their domain names or email addresses.

The ideal future, in my opinion, is personal peer-to-peer using distributed networks of friendly computers. One could connect to his own home server from afar using an IP address kept up to date by other linked computers, such as those of family and friends. Sort of a mesh DNS relying on redundancy, hopefully an anchor somewhere running 'real' DNS to make sure nobody ever becomes completely disconnected. Using some technology derived from GnuPG, InfoCard and OpenID, we could have one person's "identity" represented by a collection of personal linked devices. All his own devices could be kept track of, making sync dead easy. Friends can be identified as the same people regardless of devices, MAC addresses or IP addresses. Okay, the web service model changes quite a lot there, but here's a whole new field of computer hardware: Low power personal servers sitting between routers and modems. (They could be really cool! Think 5-line terminal output on a small black & white e-ink display. Standards-compliant calendar server running out of the box. Mmm...)

It could be a great way to network data using the already well integrated landscape of desktop computing and to keep one's personal data like calendars up to date, in a trustable way, without extra service fees. It's smarter anyway; the current centralized model of storing data on, say, Google, is completely redundant.

kerry_s
July 31st, 2008, 03:47 AM
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rated727
July 31st, 2008, 08:12 AM
Another consideration ...

If no one is buying Windows or computer applications, How will corporations like Microsoft get paid for their efforts???

Could this be a first step on a slippery slope toward subscription or pay-as-you-go use of web-centric applications?

If you've used a pay telephone in recent years you've probably heard a recorded voice say "Please insert fifty cents for the next three minutes".

Will we eventually be interrupted while working on a spread sheet by a pop-up that reads "Please insert fifty dollars for the next ..."


__________________________________________________ _________

"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." ?? Can you name the source of the preceding quote.

a.) The Borg collective addressing the human race
b.) Bill Gates addressing anyone who does not use MS Windows
c.) Colonel Sanders addressing a henhouse

Barrucadu
July 31st, 2008, 09:09 AM
Hmm, let's see. I get 60KB/s download, maximum. I can't get any better speeds because my ISP isn't actually offering this package anymore, I'm just still using it because I haven't upgraded to the more expensive ones. The more expensive new ones have much better speeds (1MB/s minimum), but bandwidth limits that I would exceed in a matter of days. The bandwidth limit for the cheapest plan is 5GB/month - between me and my brother, we use about 50GB per month, and none of the plans offer that much bandwidth.
I wonder how much more bandwidth would be used if the two Windows machines in this house had to stream everything from a remote server.

Steveway
July 31st, 2008, 09:14 AM
Didn't read the article but what has Microsoft to do with Midori?
You know, Midori the GPL-licensed, webkit and gtk using browser.
(I know that these are not related but I smell a name-change for Microsofts new V-ware product.)

tom66
July 31st, 2008, 09:19 AM
http://midori.sourceforge.net/

I would expect them to at least Google it.

PryGuy
July 31st, 2008, 09:35 AM
WebOS... Do they want me to put all my files on the Big Brother's server? No, thank you! :-\"

Microsoft is always crazy about it's plans... Yet, remember their glorious hi-end early Longhorn presentation ("We're geeks bringing gifts) and it all boiled down to another fake release.

http://midori.sourceforge.net/

I would expect them to at least Google it.LOL. They are too self-confident to do that! :)

grossaffe
July 31st, 2008, 09:55 AM
WebOS... Do they want me to put all my files on the Big Brother's server? No, thank you! :-\"

Microsoft is always crazy about it's plans... Yet, remember their glorious hi-end early Longhorn presentation ("We're geeks bringing gifts) and it all boiled down to another fake release.
LOL. They are too self-confident to do that! :)

Beware of Geeks bearing gifts... wait a sec, i don't think that's how it goes...

PryGuy
July 31st, 2008, 10:10 AM
Beware of Geeks bearing gifts... wait a sec, i don't think that's how it goes...My fault, sorry... :(
Don't blame me, people, 'cause here's a link on the screenshots (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_pdc2003_movie.asp) and here is the video (http://www.winsupersite.com/files/pdc2003_aero_rock_video.wmv) (it's a direct link!)... ;)

Delever
July 31st, 2008, 12:03 PM
Did Microsoft bought Midori? Copied it from someone? No? Then it won't happen.

:lolflag:

chris4585
July 31st, 2008, 12:16 PM
I'm never using a microsoft product, i think i can make it out on my own..

especially this, its just stupid

:popcorn:

VitaLiNux
August 2nd, 2008, 12:51 AM
I helped someone today over the phone who had trouble with his scanner. I pointed him to Epson's support web site.

"But I don't have the Internet"

*Gasp*
*Whispers amongst coworkers*
*More shocked gasps*
*Dear sweet mother of God*

"...Then GET the Internet!"


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!:lolflag::lolflag::lolf lag:

indecisive
August 3rd, 2008, 04:36 AM
I agree with Mr. Picklesworth's comment and PryGuy's comment. I feel a new Microsoft Scare is in order (you know, like the Red Scare?) If these centralization technologies take over, will we eventually have centralized brains? Centralized lives? Centralized people? ITS COMMUNISM!!!!! THINK OF THE HORROR!!!!!

Polygon
August 3rd, 2008, 07:46 AM
the internet is still not as robust or plentiful (aka we cant get fast wifi anywhere we go...what happens if we dont have an internet connection? our laptops become useless?)

i dont see this taking off.

Spike-X
August 3rd, 2008, 10:40 AM
This plan seems to suffer from the same fatal flaw as MS's software-by-subscription service that they were touting a few years ago. That is, they have failed to consider that the customer may not want to do it their way.

phenest
August 4th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Is it possible Steve Balmer is behind this? That guy will ruin MS. This is a stupid idea, and I hope they do it.

PellRoja
August 4th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I'm use www.eyeOS.info is open source and very good aplication

Dr. C
August 5th, 2008, 06:12 PM
This is one excellent project. The project's homepage is http://www.eyeos.org

It is FLOSS Affero GPL V3 (a really good choice of license for this application) and it is fairly easy to set up one's own eyeOS server using GNU / Linux so it can be hosted basically anywhere. There is no chance of vendor lockin. Combine it with SSL and one has a real powerful tool for Internet privacy.

brunovecchi
August 5th, 2008, 08:42 PM
Maybe they are going for something similar (but far far beyond) to what Google is doing with Google Docs.

I agree with most of the posters here; I don't see it going anywhere.

FyreBrand
August 5th, 2008, 08:57 PM
I agree with Mr. Picklesworth's comment and PryGuy's comment. I feel a new Microsoft Scare is in order (you know, like the Red Scare?) If these centralization technologies take over, will we eventually have centralized brains? Centralized lives? Centralized people? ITS COMMUNISM!!!!! THINK OF THE HORROR!!!!!Hahaha. :P It might even cause centralize medical care to take off in the US.... the horror!!!

Seriously it's an interesting idea. Here is another project that has been around for a while: Live Mesh (https://www.mesh.com/Welcome/Welcome.aspx)

I tried it for a while. It is useful for keeping multiple systems documents in sync (which is a real challenge outside of real version control). The problem for me was that it was, at the time, an incredible resource hog. It added a full minute to the complete boot time and used a huge chunk (almost 1GB of the 3GB) of my ram. Still I think the idea can open up some innovation in how we use our systems and how they integrate.

nick09
August 5th, 2008, 09:00 PM
This would never happen as you can lose all private access to your files on the web. If it got onto the web, it will stay on the web.

rocknrolf77
August 9th, 2008, 03:32 PM
http://midori.sourceforge.net/

I would expect them to at least Google it.

It didn't show up in msn live search \\:D/