Fazz Munkle
May 19th, 2008, 07:47 PM
Backstory: Ok, I've been using Linux for the better part of 6 years now. But, BUT, I've only used the graphical part of Linux. Gnome, KDE, etc. Anything that was end-user friendly. I'll avoid using the CLI whenever possible. Especially when instructions aren't clear enough and I run into roadblocks. Often this happens when I'm asked to compile something and the instructions are obviously dated before the current release of the distro I'm using. I'll try the instructions to the best of my ability but scrap it when errors arise that I can't find a solution for. Oftentimes I'll abandon installing something and wait for a user friendly graphical installer for it to come out (in which case often means never).
I have absolutely no patience for incomplete and dated instructions for compiling programs from source. I come from a history of not using a CLI for my daily computing needs. I get the feeling that for some this is incomprehensible, but it's true. Remember, I'll avoid the CLI (ie: terminal) whenever possible. That is not to say that I haven't launched programs and installers from the CLI. The Loki Quake 2 installer was just a double click in Ubuntu 8.04 where then I clicked the Run button and it ran. I'd imagine that I'd just type ./quake2_3.21-r0.16.1-english.run in any other distro. That's fine. I can handle that. It's total automation without any Linux terms I'm assumed to know by the programmer.
Now, with that out of the way, with my level of compiling knowledge and impatience with incomplete (or Engrish) instructions is there an easy way to install ioquake3? I've tried other installers (the Loki installer, the official id installer) but I run up against various errors obviously because they're old installers and 8.04 has changed things. I know 8.04 has changed things because I tried installing older Windows games like Starcraft through Crossover Games and WINE and keep getting errors which I'm explained, from searching Google, are security measures put into the latest Ubuntu that prevent malicious code from accessing some lower whatsiwhozit of memory. Ok, I'm fine with that. There's a workaround that apperently doesn't work on my computer because it's automatically changed back for some reason (I'm guessing more of the security thingamabobber put into 8.04), so I'll wait for updates to WINE and Crossover Games that deal with 8.04. So WINE based installs of Quake 3 Arena are out for now. So I tried going with the only thing I've found that's up to date (ioquake3) and I'm running into problems. The only answers I get from searches in Google are RTFM. Great! Thanks! That freakin' helps a lot (no it doesn't). :roll: Double clicking on the x86.run file brings up the graphical installer but when it asks me for the CD (which is already in the drive) the Yes button just drops me back to the "put the CD in the drive" window. So I went online to look for answers, but I find that there's something wrong with the .pak files on the CD and I need to download some updated .pak files and do some compiling. Fine, I've followed directions before and compiled programs. So I try to follow the instructions for compiling this from svn (or whatever it's called, you know what I'm talking about), but I hit a roadblock I'm not completely sure I understand (yet apparently I'm expected to know :roll: ). There are no errors I can see yet nothing is done. So I give up. No results, no play.
My question is, is there an easier way to install Quake 3 Arena that doesn't involve advanced knowledge in Linux compiling that assumes you know what Linux vets are talking about? IE: graphical user interface installer like the Loki installers. That's it. That's my question. I figured all that text before would head off any RTFM BS from vets tired of the n00b influx to Linux. ;) And if you haven't guessed yet, I'm frustrated with all this.
Bolded: What's the deal on this? I can't install older Windows programs because of this (So long Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee. j/k Just needed an older game as an example). Has Canonical addressed this? If they have is there a news article I can read on it and people's reaction to it? I'm not sure what to look for on Google (what it's called what they did).
I have absolutely no patience for incomplete and dated instructions for compiling programs from source. I come from a history of not using a CLI for my daily computing needs. I get the feeling that for some this is incomprehensible, but it's true. Remember, I'll avoid the CLI (ie: terminal) whenever possible. That is not to say that I haven't launched programs and installers from the CLI. The Loki Quake 2 installer was just a double click in Ubuntu 8.04 where then I clicked the Run button and it ran. I'd imagine that I'd just type ./quake2_3.21-r0.16.1-english.run in any other distro. That's fine. I can handle that. It's total automation without any Linux terms I'm assumed to know by the programmer.
Now, with that out of the way, with my level of compiling knowledge and impatience with incomplete (or Engrish) instructions is there an easy way to install ioquake3? I've tried other installers (the Loki installer, the official id installer) but I run up against various errors obviously because they're old installers and 8.04 has changed things. I know 8.04 has changed things because I tried installing older Windows games like Starcraft through Crossover Games and WINE and keep getting errors which I'm explained, from searching Google, are security measures put into the latest Ubuntu that prevent malicious code from accessing some lower whatsiwhozit of memory. Ok, I'm fine with that. There's a workaround that apperently doesn't work on my computer because it's automatically changed back for some reason (I'm guessing more of the security thingamabobber put into 8.04), so I'll wait for updates to WINE and Crossover Games that deal with 8.04. So WINE based installs of Quake 3 Arena are out for now. So I tried going with the only thing I've found that's up to date (ioquake3) and I'm running into problems. The only answers I get from searches in Google are RTFM. Great! Thanks! That freakin' helps a lot (no it doesn't). :roll: Double clicking on the x86.run file brings up the graphical installer but when it asks me for the CD (which is already in the drive) the Yes button just drops me back to the "put the CD in the drive" window. So I went online to look for answers, but I find that there's something wrong with the .pak files on the CD and I need to download some updated .pak files and do some compiling. Fine, I've followed directions before and compiled programs. So I try to follow the instructions for compiling this from svn (or whatever it's called, you know what I'm talking about), but I hit a roadblock I'm not completely sure I understand (yet apparently I'm expected to know :roll: ). There are no errors I can see yet nothing is done. So I give up. No results, no play.
My question is, is there an easier way to install Quake 3 Arena that doesn't involve advanced knowledge in Linux compiling that assumes you know what Linux vets are talking about? IE: graphical user interface installer like the Loki installers. That's it. That's my question. I figured all that text before would head off any RTFM BS from vets tired of the n00b influx to Linux. ;) And if you haven't guessed yet, I'm frustrated with all this.
Bolded: What's the deal on this? I can't install older Windows programs because of this (So long Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee. j/k Just needed an older game as an example). Has Canonical addressed this? If they have is there a news article I can read on it and people's reaction to it? I'm not sure what to look for on Google (what it's called what they did).