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Sporkman
May 5th, 2008, 06:12 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080503/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_computers_3


Cuba puts first computers on sale to the public

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By WILL WEISSERT, Associated Press Writer Sat May 3, 3:37 AM ET

HAVANA - Cubans are getting wired. The island's communist government put desktop computers on sale to the public for the first time Friday, ending a ban on PC sales as another despised restriction on daily life fell away under new President Raul Castro.

A tower-style QTECH PC and monitor costs nearly US$780 (euro505). While few Cubans can afford that, dozens still gawked outside a tiny Havana electronics store, crowding every inch of its large glass windows and leaving finger and nose prints behind.

Inside, four clerks tore open boxes, hastily assembling display computers. By the time a sign went up listing the PCs specifications, more than a dozen shoppers were lined up to get in.

"Look at that!" murmured Armando Batista as he pressed against the window. Although he can't afford to buy one, he said, "these are good for a start."

The gray and black QTECHs, complete with DVD players, bulky CRT monitors and standard-issue black mice and keyboards, are the only model available.

The Cuban PCs have Intel Celeron processors with 80 gigabytes of memory and 512 RAM and are equipped with Microsoft's Windows XP operating system. Both could be violations of a U.S. trade embargo, but not something Washington can do anything about in the absence of diplomatic relations with Havana.

Clerks said the PCs were assembled by Cuban companies using parts imported from China. For about $80 (euro52) less, buyers in the U.S. can get a desktop with more than twice the memory, a 80GB SATA hard drive and 22-inch LCD flat screen monitor.

The crowded store in central Havana's Carlos III shopping center is the only outlet in the country now selling the PCs. Clerks at a few other government-run stores — where Cubans must buy everything — said they expect to receive deliveries sometime after next week.

Brian Brito, 14, saved his allowance for two years to buy himself a PC for his upcoming 15th birthday.

"It's good for playing games," he said, while lugging his new computer from the mall.

But his mother had other ideas. "He'll use it for school, for learning," she said. "And besides, it's a form of healthy entertainment."

Except for some trusted officials and state journalists, most Cubans are banned from accessing the Internet at home. So many of these new computers may never be connected to the Web.

Some people buy limited e-mail access on the black market, usually sharing an account with the authorized holder, who usually works for the state. Even if they could access the Web, Cubans can't shop on line because they don't have credit cards.

Raul Castro promised to eliminate many of these prohibitions when he assumed the presidency on Feb. 24, after his ailing 81-year-old brother Fidel resigned. Besides selling consumer goods, he has ended bans that kept most Cubans from having cell phones, staying in luxury hotels or renting cars.

An internal government memo had indicated that PCs, DVD players, motorbikes and plug-in pressure cookers would be sold for the first time in April. Everything but the computers made it to the shelves last month.

Computers have been sold on Cuba's black market for years — at prices comparable to the US$780 (euro505) now seen in the store. But now that computers are available legally, some consumers expect black market prices to fall.

The government controls more than 90 percent Cuba's economy, paying an average state salary of US$19.50 (euro12.50) per month. But most Cubans have access to extra income through jobs with foreign firms, tips from working in tourism or money sent by relatives living abroad.

Thousands have snapped up phones and coveted kitchen appliances in recent weeks.

"Hotels, cell phones, DVD, Cuba is changing a lot," said Oscar Perez, who came to help his 14-year-old cousin carry his new computer to the car. "That's positive. But we want more."

madjr
May 5th, 2008, 07:00 PM
nothing like charging a windows license to people who's monthly income is just $20 USD....

there are a few nice cuban made distros based on Debian but they decided to sell that...

FBI spyware...oops sorry, i mean "antivirus"

solitaire
May 5th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Hm.... doesn't the US have a trade embargo with Cuba?

where they getting the Windows from :D

Did gates do a deal with the Cuban government? ;););)

Give it a couple of weeks and Linux will be everywhere, As well as Bit Torrent clients :D:D

since Ubuntu is a UK based product (UK has no restrictions with Cuba) :D

I could probably take a case load of disks over on the next flight... :D

mips
May 5th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Joyfull and sad at the same time.

I don't see the USA changing their stance towards Cuba unfortunately.

Twitch6000
May 5th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Joyfull and sad at the same time.

I don't see the USA changing their stance towards Cuba unfortunately.

Well I would have to disagree,because,if I remember correctly in 2nd or 3rd grade my teacher was telling us how one of the U.S.A presidents tried to make a deal with Cuba to become a state.Ofcourse Fidel declined.I could be wrong though.It might have been Hati.

Kingsley
May 5th, 2008, 07:28 PM
The article never said the copy of Windows wasn't pirated.

lunchbox910
May 5th, 2008, 07:32 PM
I wonder if Cuba will try to censor their home internet, or let them have at it...?

Barrucadu
May 5th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Computers... For the first time!?
Welcome out of the dark ages, Cuba.

klange
May 5th, 2008, 08:15 PM
FBI spyware...oops sorry, i mean "antivirus"
Maybe I'm just a little crazy here, but that's entirely possible.


The article never said the copy of Windows wasn't pirated.
Hell, it almost inferred that they were.

thisiam
May 5th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Atleast its not Vista, i could see Cuba being linux friendly. not wanting to waste money on something that i can get for free with a little bit of work is a good enough reason, especially when you make $20 a month.

gameryoshi600
May 5th, 2008, 09:31 PM
wow the women in the first pic is like WOWZOR COMPOOTAR

madjr
May 5th, 2008, 09:59 PM
wow the women in the first pic is like WOWZOR COMPOOTAR

i was like that 10 years ago ;D

anyway i would welcome Cubans to the Ubuntu age, but sadly XP got there first (once again..)

zmjjmz
May 5th, 2008, 10:00 PM
It sucks bad that Everex is US based.
Don't you think they'd love to save 580$ on a computer?

zmjjmz
May 5th, 2008, 10:04 PM
i was like that 10 years ago ;D

anyway i would welcome Cubans to the Ubuntu age, but sadly XP got there first (once again..)

What'll happen in June when MS stops selling XP?
Vista would _not_ run well on these computers.

madjr
May 5th, 2008, 10:29 PM
What'll happen in June when MS stops selling XP?
Vista would _not_ run well on these computers.

XP still has a long life even after ms stops supporting it. It's better than any other ms OS atm.

zmjjmz
May 5th, 2008, 10:50 PM
But they won't be selling OEM XP versions, so how will that computer company get XP?
I mean, they might be able to buy it from Newegg, but won't that drive the cost up?

smoker
May 5th, 2008, 11:26 PM
i think they will be installed almost certainly with pirated copies of microsoft xp, to Cuba, this will be like giving the US government the 'finger'., especially since almost all won't be able to phone home to redmond!

i'm also quite sure, as computer usage spreads among the general population, linux distros will become more and more popular - maybe even a 'Cubuntu' will come about!
:-)

zmjjmz
May 6th, 2008, 12:50 AM
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/9736/53/
Interesting...

solitaire
May 6th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Just waiting for "CheBuntu" to be listed as a Derivative .....:D:D

madjr
May 6th, 2008, 03:46 AM
i think they will be installed almost certainly with pirated copies of microsoft xp, to Cuba, this will be like giving the US government the 'finger'., especially since almost all won't be able to phone home to redmond!

i'm also quite sure, as computer usage spreads among the general population, linux distros will become more and more popular - maybe even a 'Cubuntu' will come about!
:-)

+1 for Cubuntu :)

init1
May 6th, 2008, 03:48 AM
I wonder if Cuba will try to censor their home internet, or let them have at it...?
I think I heard that only a few will be able to have Internet.

Ioky
May 6th, 2008, 05:35 AM
Well, you have to understand that many country doesn't even care the software is illegally use or not, Just like China, I mean, 98% of Chinese (except the Government of course) doesn't use legal software, the other 1% is Linux or Mac user. I don't make this out, or just copy from somewhere else, I personally live in China and Macao for like 2/3 of my life yet, and I know how people do their business. They have store wide OPEN with all the illegal software display In your Face. for like about $1US. Well, even their legal game (They are actually really good.)are only $5-$10US anyway but back to the day like few years ago, people still sale illegal copy, Some time they make it better then the legal one too.

But yeah, Welcome to the computer world.

thisiam
May 6th, 2008, 08:21 AM
I still haven't installed vista and doubt i will, maybe windows 7 but for now this (http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf) is telling me that XP will be around a while longer.
im glad that i don't have to worry about a licences and WGA.
ubuntu has made my happy and i hope Cubans get to embrace open source and benefit from not being restricted to 1 OS.

retrow
May 6th, 2008, 09:21 AM
Just waiting for "CheBuntu" to be listed as a Derivative .....:D:DViva la Evolution:p

Saint Angeles
May 6th, 2008, 09:37 AM
oops

Saint Angeles
May 6th, 2008, 09:42 AM
now we might have another group of people come here just to complain that their ubuntu is not up to their standards!

yay!