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acelin
May 2nd, 2008, 06:30 AM
We cannot agree on a color.

No way can we do this.

Some want black.

Some want white.

Some want "chocolate poop" brown ( Hey I like it)

Some want orange, humanesk tones.



How about every color?

How?

Clear, glass like transparencies. Everywhere. in the outher edges of windows, it is clearer, but nearly blurs everything out in the actual file part. It will retain the general color of the background, leaving the color up to the user's choice.

The panels? have them transparent too, a little more so than the file managers insides.

My questions...

Can Gtk even do this? Is there some engine that could accomplish this?

Is there anyway for people to not automatically assume aero or aqua? How about the design of how the theme is shaped will distinquish our look?

Here is what I think it should look like, yet clear. This shows 3 different colors and layouts.

I know there is another thread discussing these ideas, but I want to start over. I think Clear is the way...

Aero

Aqua

Clear.


The first shows the window border idea, with the cool whoop-di-doo on the min-max-exit button area, and the degree to which the window is rounded.

The second displays the look of nautilus, the organization of menus, the icons (which should also be Clear) and the dock, if chosen, along with the pop out menu for both the dock and the panels.

The third one displays how the panels should be set up (talking about the top panel in this screenshot)- as in transparency and smoother than the fourth one Only should be smaller, and kind of shows the transparency idea.

Edit:
No dock in defaults, and the dock that would be optional in appearance settings would be most like the dock in the second picture.

Saint Angeles
May 2nd, 2008, 06:33 AM
i say we just confuse everybody and make the theme OmG pInK!

[EDIT] I love the second screenshot. that is a beautiful theme. I like the slight transparency in the GTK part.
a couple months ago, i heard news from the murrine devs about being able to do this soon but I haven't seen it in person yet. anybody know if this is possible yet?

acelin
May 2nd, 2008, 06:34 AM
i say we just confuse everybody and make the theme OmG pInK!

OH LAWD - that is actually a good idea.

acelin
May 2nd, 2008, 06:41 AM
i say we just confuse everybody and make the theme OmG pInK!

[EDIT] I love the second screenshot. that is a beautiful theme. I like the slight transparency in the GTK part.
a couple months ago, i heard news from the murrine devs about being able to do this soon but I haven't seen it in person yet. anybody know if this is possible yet?

I thought it was, and i swore there were engines you could install to make themes clear- but well need something more advanced.

agim
May 2nd, 2008, 06:57 AM
Am I the only one who prefers not to use awn?

Saint Angeles
May 2nd, 2008, 07:07 AM
Am I the only one who prefers not to use awn?
nope... i think its butt-ugly. i see no problem with a standard panel.

Riffer
May 2nd, 2008, 07:12 AM
I tried AWn and it was great fun. But I'm a straight forward guy and find panels and panel applets suit me just fine :)

K.Mandla
May 2nd, 2008, 07:38 AM
Nobody's ever going to be happy. What's beautiful is purely a matter of opinion.

For me, this is what the default screen should look like.

http://xs119.xs.to/xs119/07370/2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs119&d=07370&f=2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg)

At least that would solve the debate.

RazorEdge
May 2nd, 2008, 07:43 AM
I enjoy color. I hate the drab looks of ye-olde operating systems like Win 95 and older versions of Linux (sorry K.Mandla).

Maybe there should be several color schemes with the same wallpapers, just color shifted? Like red, blue, green, and of course brown variants of the existing Ubuntu theme.

sloggerkhan
May 2nd, 2008, 08:06 AM
Nobody's ever going to be happy. What's beautiful is purely a matter of opinion.

For me, this is what the default screen should look like.

http://xs119.xs.to/xs119/07370/2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs119&d=07370&f=2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg)

At least that would solve the debate.

It's filled with clear panels and icons, lol.

So far I dislike AWN, also. I'd like to see something that'd be a hybrid of AWN and the regular gnome panel.

Saint Angeles
May 2nd, 2008, 08:12 AM
Nobody's ever going to be happy. What's beautiful is purely a matter of opinion.

For me, this is what the default screen should look like.

http://xs119.xs.to/xs119/07370/2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs119&d=07370&f=2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg)

At least that would solve the debate.
yours is good... but mine is better!

FuturePilot
May 2nd, 2008, 08:21 AM
Yes clear is possible with the aid of some type of compositing. The Murrine gtk engine will soon have support for RGBA visuals, meaning that if a compositor is detected a lot of things will have transparency to them. An example of this would be gnome-terminal. If you have a compositor running and you set the background to be transparent, it will be truly transparent.
See here
http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine/

Saint Angeles
May 2nd, 2008, 08:24 AM
Yes clear is possible with the aid of some type of compositing. The Murrine gtk engine will soon have support for RGBA visuals, meaning that if a compositor is detected a lot of things will have transparency to them. An example of this would be gnome-terminal. If you have a compositor running and you set the background to be transparent, it will be truly transparent.
See here
http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine/
i remember reading that a while back (it was a reason to switch to gnome)... i'm just waiting for it to be implemented soon cuz i can see a lot of potential in that.

i know that compiz can make entire windows translucent, but it also makes the text and icons translucent as well. i cant wait till the apps can have a slight transparency without affecting icons and text (like in the article)

madjr
May 2nd, 2008, 10:33 AM
So far I dislike AWN, also. I'd like to see something that'd be a hybrid of AWN and the regular gnome panel.

i think thats the third attached screenshot in the original post

or this one:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437694

acelin
May 2nd, 2008, 02:31 PM
Yall are missing the point.

AWN or some dock 'if you choose.' - I would say not by deafult. Keep the two panel setup as default. Only the new badass transparent ones.

Ok then, multiple colors? Why not make a feature that can change the color of it to any color?


I know- Vista like. Only, everything can be set- and its better integrated into Gtk, metacity, and Nautilus.

k99goran
May 2nd, 2008, 04:32 PM
Clear, glass like transparencies. Everywhere. in the outher edges of windows, it is clearer, but nearly blurs everything out in the actual file part. It will retain the general color of the background, leaving the color up to the user's choice.
And it will use the color of any window behind it. Essentially: Aero.
I think we need to avoid looking exactly like Vista or OS-X. It would just give more fodder for those who say that open source only imitate.

I wouldn't mind seeing some feature where whenever you load a new background, the color composition of it is scanned and the theme colors changes accordingly. Not sure exactly how that would work, though.

madjr
May 2nd, 2008, 06:06 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing some feature where whenever you load a new background, the color composition of it is scanned and the theme colors changes accordingly. Not sure exactly how that would work, though.

i think thats called transparency

acelin
May 2nd, 2008, 08:28 PM
i think thats called transparency

Exactly. Thank You.

acelin
May 3rd, 2008, 03:15 AM
Exactly. Thank You.

What is everybody's opinion?

tempest
May 3rd, 2008, 03:21 AM
nope... i think its butt-ugly. i see no problem with a standard panel.

+1 for standard panel!

klange
May 3rd, 2008, 03:25 AM
i remember reading that a while back (it was a reason to switch to gnome)... i'm just waiting for it to be implemented soon cuz i can see a lot of potential in that.

i know that compiz can make entire windows translucent, but it also makes the text and icons translucent as well. i cant wait till the apps can have a slight transparency without affecting icons and text (like in the article)
It was implemented long ago, the current wait is for applications to support it (you need to set an rgba colormap when you start your GTK controls, there are plugins / patches / etc for various apps to add support, and there is a patch for GTK to force it, but tray icons cause instant failure, so it's not a viable solution. It also doesn't work with Firefox, OpenOffice, and others) I use it (http://random.ogunderground.com/compiz/cftheme/cf_dark.png).

acelin
May 3rd, 2008, 03:28 AM
It was implemented long ago, the current wait is for applications to support it (you need to set an rgba colormap when you start your GTK controls, there are plugins / patches / etc for various apps to add support, and there is a patch for GTK to force it, but tray icons cause instant failure, so it's not a viable solution. It also doesn't work with Firefox, OpenOffice, and others) I use it (http://random.ogunderground.com/compiz/cftheme/cf_dark.png).

Im talking everything clear- to some extent. Any color comes from the background- Just the degree of blur changes. I really wish I was good enough with GD to design this...

macogw
May 3rd, 2008, 03:58 AM
Am I the only one who prefers not to use awn?
nope... i think its butt-ugly. i see no problem with a standard panel.

I prefer to just not have anything at the bottom of the screen at all. I just use alt+tab to switch windows, no need for a panel or dock taking up vertical space on my already-short (ie widescreen) screen.

I would like for the Appearances thing to let you attach a panel background image and a desktop wallpaper to your theme and just save that as a custom config, so then you can switch *everything* with one click.

acelin
May 3rd, 2008, 09:10 AM
We need just an all around better set up-

Tux.Ice
May 3rd, 2008, 02:36 PM
Im on the artwork team- good idea but it will look a bit vista-y i think the apnels should be default cocolate poop but changeable at installation. clear would be good to incorporate somewhere though-

k99goran
May 3rd, 2008, 04:18 PM
i think thats called transparency
Then you are wrong. Transparency means the colors of the windows will change as you move them across the background. What I meant was using a regular opaque theme along with some kind of script that tries to match the colors of the theme with the chosen wallpaper. It would be a lot less disorienting than having all the windows transparent.
Example: Load a brown wallpaper and the theme turns brown. Load a blue wallpaper and the theme turns blue.
Again, it's just an idea, I'm not sure how well it would work out.

geoken
May 3rd, 2008, 05:08 PM
IMO, theme proposals and mockups would be better served if people omitted things that are technically impossible through themeing alone.

acelin
May 3rd, 2008, 05:37 PM
THis isnt. Have you seen the soon to be released murrine engine? If I am not mistaken, we can easily edit the Nautilus to re-organize it, the GNome to look rounded and better. This can be done.

Anyone know anything about the clearlooks engine? What does it do?

boomtisk
May 3rd, 2008, 06:31 PM
I'd like to see anti-aliased Window decorations, most of the Gnome widow decorations with jaggy rounded corners out there make my eyes bleed. I know Emerald can do this but it seems to be very glitchy on my machine.

acelin
May 3rd, 2008, 07:00 PM
Also better fonts. Ubuntu's deafault fonts are the first thing I change when I install a new installation or help a friend. They simply suck.

cardinals_fan
May 3rd, 2008, 07:24 PM
Nobody's ever going to be happy. What's beautiful is purely a matter of opinion.

For me, this is what the default screen should look like.

http://xs119.xs.to/xs119/07370/2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs119&d=07370&f=2007-09-16-171335_1024x768_scrot.jpg)

At least that would solve the debate.
+1