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UK-sHaDoW
April 13th, 2008, 02:40 PM
I was just wondering what's the major applications that are stopping people going over to linux?

Linux has some excellent music players like, amarok, rhythembox and banshee.
It has quite a few web browsers, office apps, and IM apps

So thats the basics covered.


So what's the missing applications that people need to go over to linux?

I was just wondering because I'm interested in a new programming project, and doing something like a music player would just be reinventing the wheel since we have some great ones already.

If there's applications on linux but don't match up to there windows/mac os x counterparts, could you specify the features missing etc.

swoll1980
April 13th, 2008, 02:55 PM
it's not so much missing apps as it is support. the reason I can't completely switch is because some of my websites wont run under firefox my modem printer and scanner wont work I can't afford to replace them right now I have broadband for internet but can't send or receive faxes without windows. I can use vbox for everything except the modem, but with out that faxing is still out. I guess the only apps I cant find a way around are my windows games

LaRoza
April 13th, 2008, 02:55 PM
The ones people miss are specialty apps and games.

This is known; many commericial products for various specialty software needs are not made for Linux.

This of course doesn't affect everyone, just those who use such software. (Photoshop, Autocad, and some music production software for examples)

swoll1980
April 13th, 2008, 02:58 PM
The ones people miss are specialty apps and games.

This is known; many commericial products for various specialty software needs are not made for Linux.

This of course doesn't affect everyone, just those who use such software. (Photoshop, Autocad, and some music production software for examples)

I need genesis(financial, loan software) for work, but I can run it in vbox

vexorian
April 13th, 2008, 03:02 PM
The real problem is not app availability. The real problem is windows' abuse of its monopoly, how hardware devs focus only on windows, and how people just assume that the sort of hard things they were forced to learn when they were kids are "easy to use" and not familiar.

drascus
April 13th, 2008, 03:02 PM
one problem that I have found that has kept my girlfriend and many peopleI know from switching is good portble media player support. I don't see this being a problem forever because mobile devices are making portable media players kind of irrelevent. however the Rockbox firmware is a great project. They are always trying to code for the newer devices and this is important. For instance my girlfriends media player isn't supported because its a newer gen f ipod and rockbox doesn't have the firmware written for it yet. Also there are people that would say the Wine compatibility layer needs improving. However I don't support the idea of coding for a product who's goal is to put proprietary software on our systems when we are trying to get away from proprietary software. But I will leave the moral decisions for you to decided as your feelings on the subject could be different from mine.

Chokkan
April 13th, 2008, 03:56 PM
I'd like something as easy to use as Sketchup.

blithen
April 13th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Games plain an simple.

UK-sHaDoW
April 13th, 2008, 05:07 PM
Since majority of peope don't play pc games, since whole industry has turned mostly console based.
Hardly anyone in my family play pc games anymore but me(I'm a avid pc gamer)

So i don't think thats much of a problem.
Most pc games are casual, i.e the flash games people play when they should be working at work.
Its mostly Hard core gamers that compain about that. I thinking about casual/professional use.


Also specialty software

photoshop also has gimp
Autocad also has a few replacements
Theres also lots and lots of music productions software on linux. I belive bt used a programming language on linux to create some of his music.


But I'm guessing there not up to scratch, what's the features missing?


I've done lots of graphics work before, so graphics work is right up my sleeve.

y-lee
April 13th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Autocad, Linux has no good cad programs that I have been able to find. While I use qcad and my needs are modest, house floor plans and the like is all I need to generate, it is time consuming to do this in qcad and the standard architectural symbols I have to create myself.

LaRoza
April 13th, 2008, 05:26 PM
Also specialty software

photoshop also has gimp
Autocad also has a few replacements
Theres also lots and lots of music productions software on linux. I belive bt used a programming language on linux to create some of his music.

Sometimes replacements aren't options.


Autocad, Linux has no good cad programs that I have been able to find. While I use qcad and my needs are modest, house floor plans and the like is all I need to generate, it is time consuming to do this in qcad and the standard architectural symbols I have to create myself.

Yes, it would be nice if it were different, but Windows is small price to pay for the software you need I imagine.

init1
April 13th, 2008, 05:36 PM
I'd like something as easy to use as Sketchup.
Eh, Stetchup's ok (I'll get it if they make a Linux version), but I'd really like to see is something like 3Ds Max for Linux. I could learn Blender, but it's very hard to do on a laptop since many of the shortcut keys require the numpad.

vexorian
April 13th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Sometimes replacements aren't options.Do you think Photoshop CS2 can replace CS3? Then you should be glad it runs in WINE.

Changturkey
April 13th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Games plain an simple.

+1

Linux needs a Halo or COD 4 :).

vexorian
April 13th, 2008, 05:41 PM
+1

Linux needs a Halo or COD 4 :).
Donate to WINE.


Games plain an simple.
This is a myth. Well, it would be 100% if PC gamers that prefer last gen games were the majority between PC users and gamers. But they aren't .

pbpersson
April 13th, 2008, 05:43 PM
A number of people want something on Linux that looks and acts like Photoshop.

People are used to the layout and functionality and don't want to totally re-learn everything to move to GIMP - and GIMP does not do everything that Photoshop does.

There was a project called GIMPshop that somehow put a new GUI on the GIMP backend but the developer that created it called it a hack and dropped the project.

I was planning to create a brand new open source Java-based platform-independent Photoshop-like version of GIMP but that project is in 2009 now.

GSZX1337
April 13th, 2008, 06:00 PM
People are used to the layout and functionality and don't want to totally re-learn everything to move to GIMP.

I remember reading a tutorial that listed steps on how to change the hotkeys in GIMP to Photoshop's. I don't know if it has the steps to change the layout though.

fourthofjuly
April 13th, 2008, 06:04 PM
Autocad, Linux has no good cad programs that I have been able to find. While I use qcad and my needs are modest, house floor plans and the like is all I need to generate, it is time consuming to do this in qcad and the standard architectural symbols I have to create myself.
Autocad is simply too superior an app....

if only these cos. gave its customers .deb package with those .exe files... maybe we should ask them...

unknown03
April 13th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Linux needs Cakewalks' Sonar 7 with appropriate VST's (reversed engineered or not, i dont care) oh...and ALL games

madjr
April 13th, 2008, 06:51 PM
+1

Linux needs a Halo or COD 4 :).

halo and COD 4 work in wine

COD4 videos
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=COD4+wine&search_type=
http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/10/call-of-duty-4-works-in-wine.html

Halo video in wine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkFIcG6XVmw

even ubuntu users don't really know what windows apps they can run on their system...

this is called misinformation.

They say something don't work when they haven't even done a google search... :(

klange
April 13th, 2008, 06:53 PM
Halo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkFIcG6XVmw
Never got Halo to start, personally. Yells about missing shader files that it quite clearly has. Haven't tried reinstalling any time recently, though.

madjr
April 13th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Since majority of peope don't play pc games, since whole industry has turned mostly console based.
Hardly anyone in my family play pc games anymore but me(I'm a avid pc gamer)

So i don't think thats much of a problem.
Most pc games are casual, i.e the flash games people play when they should be working at work.
Its mostly Hard core gamers that compain about that. I thinking about casual/professional use.


Also specialty software

photoshop also has gimp
Autocad also has a few replacements
Theres also lots and lots of music productions software on linux. I belive bt used a programming language on linux to create some of his music.


But I'm guessing there not up to scratch, what's the features missing?


I've done lots of graphics work before, so graphics work is right up my sleeve.

Hello UK-sHaDoW,

i believe the biggest problem is piracy and not knowing about linux, you can get for free these $1000 - $3000 dollar programs in windows.

also 90% of the population worldwide have pirated windows along with those programs.

Linux IMO is superior and the community is awesome. Thats why i use Linux. It's the future.

I migrated to linux thanks to all the FOSS apps i had. It took me a month to learn the ways of Ubuntu and fix all my hardware problems a year ago, now things are much easier.

Every year it gets easier and we have more apps :)

am sure all those big name apps will work perfectly in Wine soon enough and Adobe will start the porting as they are now part of the linux fundation.

It's just a matter of time and educating the population of the alternatives.

madjr
April 13th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Never got Halo to start, personally. Yells about missing shader files that it quite clearly has. Haven't tried reinstalling any time recently, though.

halo works excellent, it's gold.

read the instructions
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2720

try installing it with wine-doors or playonlinux

i guess misinformation is what keeps people from migrating too.. :confused:

CM Xtasy
April 13th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Linux needs a good video editor such as Adobe Premier Pro, or Final Cut Pro, and a good architecture program.

madjr
April 13th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Linux needs a good video editor such as Adobe Premier Pro, or Final Cut Pro, and a good architecture program.

u tried Kdevline ?

i hear is good.

which ones did u try?

christhemonkey
April 13th, 2008, 07:21 PM
A replacement for 4od would be nice.
Altough, that would depend on getting drm-ed .wmv files to play, which currently WMP in wine cannot do.

Eisenwinter
April 13th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Linux needs a Cubase SX 3 replacement, and clones for all the VSTs.

DouglasAWh
April 13th, 2008, 08:38 PM
the reason I can't completely switch is because some of my websites wont run under firefox

Didn't read all the posts, so don't know if someone else said this, but IE will work under WINE...

http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

JAPrufrock
April 14th, 2008, 12:59 AM
GNU/Linux will rule. It's just a matter of time.

Wine's really improved over the last year or so. I have an old version of Quickbooks that now works, and it even prints. Photoshop works well, as does Autocad. Kudos to the Wine team/developers; they've done an awesome job.

swoll1980
April 14th, 2008, 01:26 AM
Hello UK-sHaDoW,

i believe the biggest problem is piracy and not knowing about linux, you can get for free these $1000 - $3000 dollar programs in windows.

also 90% of the population worldwide have pirated windows along with those programs.

Linux IMO is superior and the community is awesome. Thats why i use Linux. It's the future.

I migrated to linux thanks to all the FOSS apps i had. It took me a month to learn the ways of Ubuntu and fix all my hardware problems a year ago, now things are much easier.

Every year it gets easier and we have more apps :)

am sure all those big name apps will work perfectly in Wine soon enough and Adobe will start the porting as they are now part of the linux fundation.

It's just a matter of time and educating the population of the alternatives.

yes isn't it funny how everyone seems to have cs3 these days $1000 program for professional photographers. Then they complain that the free gimp that was given to them isn't as good as the $1000 program they stole. If photoshop wasn't so easy to steal everyone would be using the gimp, then they complain that adobe doesn't spend the money to port it to linux so they can steal that one to

aktiwers
April 14th, 2008, 01:59 AM
A program like netlimiter would be cool too.. and I don't think it would be that hard to make?

CarpKing
April 14th, 2008, 02:04 AM
There are plenty of projects that need coders to work on them in order to implement new features. When programs don't live up to their potential, it's not usually because they're planned that way, it's because there aren't enough developers to implement these features, so no matter how many requests people make it never gets done. If you aren't dead-set on having a project all your own, you could pick an app you like and help them add and improve features. One that I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate is implementation of DVD menus in Totem-Gstreamer; there are many others. In any case I suggest you visit the Idea Pool or the Ubuntu Brainstorm to see what sorts of apps and features people want.

Tux Aubrey
April 14th, 2008, 04:00 AM
As far as businesses are concerned, I think professional accounting software is a killer - many are locked into proprietary solutions by their accountants (MYOB for the most part).

A lot of good things are happening with web apps that may reduce platform dependence, even in a few specialist areas, over time. I have just been looking at Enterprise Resource Planning and CRM software for a friend and I see lots of interesting things happening that could free up small businesses and the not-for-profit community sector.

I think someone has already used the "s" word - SUPPORT. I'd also add the "d" word - DOCUMENTATION.

My own view is that for home and hobby uses, there are now several Linux distros that are easily up to the mark (ie better than either XP or Vista) and only ignorance and inertia stand between Linux and world domination.

But I will always use a native Linux app over a proprietary one in wine or windows. I don't run either.

Riffer
April 14th, 2008, 04:36 AM
Autocad, Linux has no good cad programs that I have been able to find. While I use qcad and my needs are modest, house floor plans and the like is all I need to generate, it is time consuming to do this in qcad and the standard architectural symbols I have to create myself.

http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

Lots of Cad programs listed there, from GPL to commercial.

Riffer
April 14th, 2008, 04:59 AM
I don't think its about apps at all. I think its about what you're use to, what you feel comfortable with. Many think that open source means that the apps are missing features as compared to the windows (or mac) versions.

For instance my partner won't leave her windows for anything. Word she feels has features that that open office or abiword lacks. Its the same with people and photoshop, they think they need all the features where in fact 99% of us use only 25% of its features at best.

What I'm finding is that my partner is watching me do pretty much everything she is and having more fun doing it and a lot less hassle. Eventually she will try Ubuntu and I figure she'll stick.

I think this is how people will come over.

toupeiro
April 14th, 2008, 07:20 AM
Autocad is simply too superior an app....

if only these cos. gave its customers .deb package with those .exe files... maybe we should ask them...

I have yet, to date, to see an application that by the nature of its design requires so much of an operating system that Linux could not supply enough resources. If Autodesk were to ever port their software to linux, they would see just how scalable of a platform this is for their software.

However, I've seen many situations where software was bottlenecked by the windows platform, but it was designed for windows because of marketshare. AutoCAD doesn't exist on linux natively because of marketshare and vested interest in development on the windows platform. There is no superiority factor in that equation whatsoever, just money.

Autodesk themselves are not completely anti-linux. They still put Maya and Smoke, flare, burn and several other tools out on the linux platform because there is an established customerbase on those environments. Its not alltogether unlikely that autodesk may one day release AutoCAD for linux. Other companies are not so open to the concept.

madjr
April 14th, 2008, 09:09 AM
I don't think its about apps at all. I think its about what you're use to, what you feel comfortable with. Many think that open source means that the apps are missing features as compared to the windows (or mac) versions.

For instance my partner won't leave her windows for anything. Word she feels has features that that open office or abiword lacks. Its the same with people and photoshop, they think they need all the features where in fact 99% of us use only 25% of its features at best.

What I'm finding is that my partner is watching me do pretty much everything she is and having more fun doing it and a lot less hassle. Eventually she will try Ubuntu and I figure she'll stick.

I think this is how people will come over.

You just need to make it pretty and they will use it.

i customized my ubuntu to look like gOS space and got my girl to use it :)

it's the same Ubuntu just prettier, but she doesn't like how normal ubuntu looks nor she liked to use it. Now she does :)

also, i must say the latest OOo fixes many bugs and has tons of features.

wormser
April 14th, 2008, 09:24 AM
Desktop Sharing (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=630793) (aka OS X Screen Sharing).

cOzAtS
April 14th, 2008, 09:52 AM
I don't think its about apps at all. I think its about what you're use to, what you feel comfortable with. Many think that open source means that the apps are missing features as compared to the windows (or mac) versions.

Well, you may have the point here but as a graphic designer i really need Adobe's CS3. And i mean the whole package Photoshop-Illustrator-Indesign. Yes I knows there is Gimp-Inkscape and Scribus but in a professional environment you need these apps. I mean, scribus is a pretty cute replacement for quarkxpress 3 or 4 but who wants to go back to these times with all the incompatibilities? Also color and font management is a real pain in the *** in linux. I believe that in time all these apps will be ported(more and more people use linux) but it needs a lot of work for these to be productive as they are in windows. I really wish all these replacements were nearly as good as Adobe's. After all who wants to pay 300(windows)+2000(CS3) euros just to have the ability to work? Anyway theh times are chaning and i am really optimistic.