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glug101
March 20th, 2008, 05:28 AM
Yep, you read right. I have a worthless degree since I only have a bachelors degree. I don't believe that I am boasting to say that I am above average in the intelligence category (dozens of test have shown this), I have a good university background in physics and math, and years of experience working at a computer support helpdesk. Not to mention the years I've spent learning how to configure and run Linux. However, these attributes seem to make me keenly able to working at one job, phone support.

I have been working as a phone monkey for about 3 years now. I have hated it almost since I started (at that time I was told that it wouled only be 6 weeks, 8 at the most). However, numerous attempts to get a different job either land me in a position of accepting MUCH less pay (can't do that since I need to make house payments) or taking a smaller cut in pay to work at (you guessed it) another phone support position. For some reason, no matter how much I emphasize that I want to work with my hands, work at something different, or push forward my university experience, I keep getting offered temporary positions on the phones, often with MY CURRENT EMPLOYERS!! (something that nobody has been able to explaine to me when I point out that my resume has all my current job information on it, including my current employer)

Until today, I have kept up a glimmer of hope that I would be hired on as a service technician (or anyplace else that does not require answering the phone 40-60 times a day), however, that hope is fading. Turns out that they REQUIRE that I have an associates degree in computers.

I'm not sure I'm exaggerating when I say that this job is ruining my health. I need to get out before I loose it on the phone with the next supposed mentally adult person that doesn't know their right from their left, nor how to follow simple step by step instructions. (I'm sorry, the phrase "I'm computer illiterate" does not excuse you from thinking that your internet comes in through the keyboard, or that restarting the computer means turning your monitor off and then on again. You are a proffesional and the computer is part of your JOB!!)

Does anybody know of a line of work that would allow me to use my hands and not spend years in a classroom just to get a job that I know I am qualified for?

P.S. Also please take what I wrote with a grain of salt. I had a rough day.

chucky chuckaluck
March 20th, 2008, 05:30 AM
if you're crafty with the myers-briggs test, border's is probably hiring.

RAV TUX
March 20th, 2008, 05:55 AM
Yep, you read right. I have a worthless degree since I only have a bachelors degree. I don't believe that I am boasting to say that I am above average in the intelligence category (dozens of test have shown this), I have a good university background in physics and math, and years of experience working at a computer support helpdesk. Not to mention the years I've spent learning how to configure and run Linux. However, these attributes seem to make me keenly able to working at one job, phone support.

I have been working as a phone monkey for about 3 years now. I have hated it almost since I started (at that time I was told that it wouled only be 6 weeks, 8 at the most). However, numerous attempts to get a different job either land me in a position of accepting MUCH less pay (can't do that since I need to make house payments) or taking a smaller cut in pay to work at (you guessed it) another phone support position. For some reason, no matter how much I emphasize that I want to work with my hands, work at something different, or push forward my university experience, I keep getting offered temporary positions on the phones, often with MY CURRENT EMPLOYERS!! (something that nobody has been able to explaine to me when I point out that my resume has all my current job information on it, including my current employer)

Until today, I have kept up a glimmer of hope that I would be hired on as a service technician (or anyplace else that does not require answering the phone 40-60 times a day), however, that hope is fading. Turns out that they REQUIRE that I have an associates degree in computers.

I'm not sure I'm exaggerating when I say that this job is ruining my health. I need to get out before I loose it on the phone with the next supposed mentally adult person that doesn't know their right from their left, nor how to follow simple step by step instructions. (I'm sorry, the phrase "I'm computer illiterate" does not excuse you from thinking that your internet comes in through the keyboard, or that restarting the computer means turning your monitor off and then on again. You are a proffesional and the computer is part of your JOB!!)

Does anybody know of a line of work that would allow me to use my hands and not spend years in a classroom just to get a job that I know I am qualified for?

P.S. Also please take what I wrote with a grain of salt. I had a rough day.I would advice going to Graduate school and complete your PhD in Physics.

Most Graduate schools in the USA will waive tuition and pay you a Stipend for Research Assistant or Student Teacher positions while you pursue your PhD. (At least they do for Chemist, my wife just finished her BS in Chemistry and will continue on to get her PhD).

Unfortunately bachelors degrees are like High School Diplomas, you must pursue an advance degree to be viable.

Zlatan
March 20th, 2008, 07:55 AM
Yep, you read right. I have a worthless degree since I only have a bachelors degree. I don't believe that I am boasting to say that I am above average in the intelligence category (dozens of test have shown this), I have a good university background in physics and math, and years of experience working at a computer support helpdesk. Not to mention the years I've spent learning how to configure and run Linux. However, these attributes seem to make me keenly able to working at one job, phone support.

I have been working as a phone monkey for about 3 years now. I have hated it almost since I started (at that time I was told that it wouled only be 6 weeks, 8 at the most). However, numerous attempts to get a different job either land me in a position of accepting MUCH less pay (can't do that since I need to make house payments) or taking a smaller cut in pay to work at (you guessed it) another phone support position. For some reason, no matter how much I emphasize that I want to work with my hands, work at something different, or push forward my university experience, I keep getting offered temporary positions on the phones, often with MY CURRENT EMPLOYERS!! (something that nobody has been able to explaine to me when I point out that my resume has all my current job information on it, including my current employer)

Until today, I have kept up a glimmer of hope that I would be hired on as a service technician (or anyplace else that does not require answering the phone 40-60 times a day), however, that hope is fading. Turns out that they REQUIRE that I have an associates degree in computers.

I'm not sure I'm exaggerating when I say that this job is ruining my health. I need to get out before I loose it on the phone with the next supposed mentally adult person that doesn't know their right from their left, nor how to follow simple step by step instructions. (I'm sorry, the phrase "I'm computer illiterate" does not excuse you from thinking that your internet comes in through the keyboard, or that restarting the computer means turning your monitor off and then on again. You are a proffesional and the computer is part of your JOB!!)

Does anybody know of a line of work that would allow me to use my hands and not spend years in a classroom just to get a job that I know I am qualified for?

P.S. Also please take what I wrote with a grain of salt. I had a rough day.

Hello. I suppose that Your problem is not Your degree or Your current job. Your problem is to find out what is Your dream job and what is needed from Your side to get it. You will not be happy with another job if it will be "what You CAN get" and not what You WANT.
And yes, try to keep studying. It is an investment:) But choose what You want again.
I hope that will be useful ;)

zxscooby
March 20th, 2008, 08:05 AM
maby you can try here.

walkerk
March 20th, 2008, 08:45 AM
maby you can try here.

:lolflag:

disturbed1
March 20th, 2008, 08:58 AM
I know the feeling. Dual BS in physics and mathematics with a minor in computer science. Landed a couple of jobs that netted 80-90 a year, but I was confined behind a desk or in a lab. Had job offers that pay well, but either the company was shady, or I didn't agree with the ethics behind the work. Needless to say the "professional" jobs never panned out. Great pay, great benefits, poor quality of life.

Rather than the never ending job hunt, I went into business for myself. I make just over 1/2 what I used to, work a few more hours a week than I used. Yet I manage to be 10x happier, not to mention the girl friend is 10x happier as well.

If you have the knack for business, or an itch for creativity, owning and running your own business can be the best thing that ever happened. It has been for me.

If you must have the safety net of a 9-5, look into the DoD. They are always looking for atom splitters. You won't be the person doing the high end job, but, with the right back ground you should be able to get in an entry level position for 40-50k, and assistance towards your PhD.

You could also look into food service. I don't mean flipping hamburgers ;) But as a food quality tester. I did a gig at a food manufacturing plant where I had to do simple ph level tests, gravity specs, other high school type lab experiments. Pay was decent (75k) and the atmosphere was good. Company lost it's contracts to a lower bidder just south of the border.

Being in Wisconsin, I'm guessing {sorry :) } there's a few milk, butter, and cheese processing plants around. I'd start there, looking for a QA position.

You should also take advantage of your University's career placement program, or even <job board>.

SupaSonic
March 20th, 2008, 10:53 AM
My advice is probably useless, but still.

Where I live, there are tons of jobs for 'IT specialists'. The pay is average, you spend a lot of time moving around and solving problems like removing spyware, reinstalling Windows, setting up printers etc. There are some of opportunities to move on to more interesting stuff though, like administering linux servers. Which is a hands-on job with Linux, exactly what you are looking for.

3 years on the phone solving Windows problems - I would have killed myself.

gn2
March 20th, 2008, 11:11 AM
Why not start your own business?

Then you are the boss and decide what you get to do.

mangar
March 20th, 2008, 11:21 AM
Algorithm development for hi-tech companies can work for you.
One of my friends got a physics MA, and develops algorithm for sound compression, with a very high salary (relative to average income in my country). Most of the guys in the algorithm department in my work place are math theorists (since we're heavily invested in 3d algorithm development - pretty hardcore stuff), many of them are students in part time job.

Raptormn
March 20th, 2008, 11:28 AM
boeing or lockeed martin

regomodo
March 20th, 2008, 12:12 PM
Funny you mention this as i always thought people with Physics degrees could easily get a decent job. Then i realised that all 3 of my friends that got a Masters in Physics don't have a job yet.

I knew from the start that a BEng in Electronic Engineering was pretty much worthless in industry but 1 of my friends managed to get a half-decent salary at some defence company. Unfortunatley, as somebody has already mentioned, i don't want to go into a military/"defence" company for ethical reasons, which seems to be the only companies that are hiring (at least all the jobfairs at Uni are saturated with such companies).

kamaboko
March 20th, 2008, 01:19 PM
You need to talk with a recruiter. I know someone that works at Management Recruiters of Portland. I don't know their number off hand, but call and ask for someone who works with people with physics/math backgrounds.

glug101
March 20th, 2008, 01:56 PM
Hello. I suppose that Your problem is not Your degree or Your current job. Your problem is to find out what is Your dream job and what is needed from Your side to get it. You will not be happy with another job if it will be "what You CAN get" and not what You WANT.
And yes, try to keep studying. It is an investment:) But choose what You want again.
I hope that will be useful ;)

Zlatan, thanks for the advice, and I really mean that. But it sounds like that BS "What would you do if you had a million dollars?" question they ask in high school:) I've had a lot of jobs and this is the only one that drives me crazy.

I've done a lot of soul searching the last few years, and I DEFINATELY would prefer a job working with my hands. Even the job I had making Pizzas I found to be far more fulfilling.

To those suggesting the contractors position, I'm kind of starting along those lines. Since nobody seems to be willing to pay me for my knowledge, I'm doing volunteer work at my church installing a small (future max of maybe 10 computers) network and re wroting some sound equipment in the walls. MUCH more fulfilling, and even though it's volunteer work, I can still put it on my resume. (As skills I've used without supervision, and even supervised others doing when I have helpers;) ) Not much, but it's a start.

Yeah, this thread was basically just a rant. But thank you to all for giving advise. :-D

IsawSp4rks
March 20th, 2008, 02:02 PM
You're intelligent enough to pick up a programming language. Go do that and apply for a job at a games company, as they're always looking for physics specialists. You know the properties of physics maths so you'll be able to apply those pretty easily to programming and running simulations. This area of game development is in high demand and will only increase as the power of CPUs, GPUs and now physics processing cards like the PhysX increase.

Don't waste your time pondering, just do what you can to ensure your future in a world driven by 3D physics, because that's the world that we're shaping.

If I had your grasp of maths and physics that's exactly what I'd be doing.

Good Luck

HermanAB
March 20th, 2008, 03:12 PM
If you still want to do IT, change your resume and become an 'Operating Systems and Networks' specialist. That sounds better than 'Phone Support' and should get you into something more ambitious.

Otherwise, look for work at an energy (oil, electricity, coal, nuclear) company.

Zlatan
March 20th, 2008, 03:52 PM
...
I've done a lot of soul searching the last few years, and I DEFINATELY would prefer a job working with my hands. Even the job I had making Pizzas I found to be far more fulfilling....
:-D

So maybe You already have the answer? :popcorn:

hey, sorry, please do not make pizzas ;) you can also try to find a job at some hardware installing company- at least here in LT we have a big demand for such specialists. if you would be good at that, maybe they could accept your studies at the same time? it is usual here.

BDNiner
March 20th, 2008, 04:55 PM
I am in the same position as you glug101. I have been doing phone support for the past 3 years and am getting no where. I manage the help desk now but i don't get a manager's paycheck or any input at any of the meeting so it is frustrating. I have decided to get security clearance so that i can work on some government contracts. I have a couple friends that have government contracts and he really enjoys it. I only have BA in computer information systems, but if went back to school I would be going to get a masters in Architecture, you know take over the family business and what not. So i am trying to stretch this computer gig out for as long as possible before going back to school.