which of these processors is better?

[myusername]

im thinking about building a cheap pc this summer which is better?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116252

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116004

[Atomic Dog]

Go with the dual core.

[LaRoza]

Pentium D. It is 64 bit and dual core.

(I have a Pentium D 820, very good for its purpose)

[igknighted]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103211

This processor is so much faster than the two you posted. It also will run on a mobo using newer ram (240 pin) which is cheaper, as well as take a pci-e graphics card, which are much cheaper than the AGP cards you will likely be stuck with on the CPUs you posted.

Also, in the low to midrange CPUs (basically everything before you get up to the c2d lineup), AMD kills intel in a price v. performance comparison, so if you are looking to build a cheap PC, AMD is your best bet.

EDIT: The brisbane core AMD chips (like the one I posted and the one in the post below me) are fantastic performers, as well as FAR more power and heat efficient. I can vouch for this, the chip in my desktop is a brisbane core (see sig) and it only runs a few degrees over room temp, overclocked.

[rfruth]

dual core for sure - AMD seems to offer more bang for the buck :)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103774

[jacob01]

it would be better to wait until this summer to really decide on components by then you will be able to get more power for less of a cost.

It really depends on what you are using your pc for. I have this 1.8ghz core 2 duo and it plays quake wars at 50 % and doesn't heat up my case a whole lot, but with that pentium d or p4 clocked at 3ghz it may heat up more and cause unwanted heat and you may not need all that power it really depends on what you plan on running on that pc but that pentium d may be a better choice to have enough power to run future programs.

[LaRoza]

For your motherboard, I suggest getting a motherboard which supports the Core 2, but use the Pentium D to save money.

(AMD is out of the question, if you go that route)

[igknighted]

For your motherboard, I suggest getting a motherboard which supports the Core 2, but use the Pentium D to save money.

(AMD is out of the question, if you go that route)

He said he was building a new one, not upgrading... at least that was my assumption.

@ the OP... for upgrading, the dual core pentium D is the way to go. But if building and selecting a mobo and other components new, then go with AMD.

[Redache]

You could try the new Pentium line of Core 2 Architecture chips. E2160 and E2180. Decent Processors for the price.

[SunnyRabbiera]

The Pentium D is the better but if you dont have a lot of money the Pentium 4 is a good option (its the same one I use) its pretty fast.

[Iam138]

You could try the new Pentium line of Core 2 Architecture chips. E2160 and E2180. Decent Processors for the price.

Quite right. In fact they are fantastic overclockers as well. That again will require a new LGA775 board however and the requisite DDR2. Both of those chips will smoke the Pentium D as would any of the AMD Brisbanes already mentioned.

If you want AMD right now you might look into a Opteron 1210 as well for $69 bucks @ Newegg better performance than the Brisbanes due to the larger L2 and they overclock like butter (of course so do the Brissy's).

People will tell the L2 does not matter with K8 CPU's, don't believe it. In order for a Brisbane (2 x 512 L2) to perform as well as a Windsor or Opteron with a 2 x 1024 L2 you need add about 200Mhz i.e. 1.8GHz 1210 = 2.0GHz X2 4000 Brisbane. In some applications such as encoding video or running a F@H client the difference is even more pronounced.

[gn2]

Building a new PC today, go for a motherboard that has support for the newer 45nm C2D CPU's and get an E2140 CPU.

Then you can get an E8200 (or better) when you can afford it or if the price drops.

[myusername]

thanks for the suggestions guys... i really dont want to go the amd route because the names are confusing lol and i want atleast 3 ghz w/o overclocking maybe 64bit if thats possible

[LaRoza]

thanks for the suggestions guys... i really dont want to go the amd route because the names are confusing lol and i want atleast 3 ghz w/o overclocking maybe 64bit if thats possible

Pentium D and up are all 64 bit. (Some below the Pentium D will be 64 bit as well, but I wouldn't go there)

[Iam138]

If you wan't 3.0GHz without overclocking count on dropping over $100 with AMD and over 200 with Intel. Besides raw MHz does not mean what it used too. Having said that the AMD X2 6400+ or X2 6000+ @ 3.2 GHZ and 3.0GHz respectively are the best bang for your buck.

@LaRoza the Pentium D is not that great..I mean it's fine for day to day applications but it's based on the horrible Netburst architecture and is slow clock for clock,hot and inefficeint compared to K8 dual cores and especially when matched against the Core arch.

[LaRoza]

@LaRoza the Pentium D is not that great..I mean it's fine for day to day applications but it's based on the horrible Netburst architecture and is slow clock for clock,hot and inefficeint compared to K8 dual cores and especially when matched against the Core arch.

I know, but it would be cheaper than a Core 2 but can use the same motherboard, so upgrades are possible in the future.

(Upgradability is important to me, it may not be a factor for others. If not, disregard the Pentium D)

[L473ncy]

Neither.

I'm sure you can get one of the newer Pentium e2xxx chips Their better than the Pentium D and about the same price. Otherwise if you're able to spend a bit more I would suggest a C2D e6xxx.

If you're looking for cheap, then AMD is probably the way to go with the markdowns that are happening lately.

[igknighted]

thanks for the suggestions guys... i really dont want to go the amd route because the names are confusing lol and i want atleast 3 ghz w/o overclocking maybe 64bit if thats possible

Ghz really don't mean (much of) anything anymore. The class of architecture is what matters. Any dual core chip will also run circles around a single core chip, and the newer designs at lower clock speeds are at least as good if not better (per core) than previous designs (like the pentiums you linked to). My current 1.8ghz runs circles around the 3,2 ghz I bought 4 years ago (essentially the same as the 3,0 pentium4 you linked to), and it saves tons in power consumption at the same time.

Also, the AMD names (Brisbane, Windsor, etc.) really aren't any more confusing than Intel's (Conroe, Prescott, etc.). The basics are: Athlon=higher end, Athlon64=Higher end + 64 bit, and Athlon64X2=highend, 64bit, dual core. Sempron = Celeron basically. I think that's far simpler than Intel's Pentium4, PentiumD, and various core2 models (6320 > 6400... whats up with that?).

Any PentiumD or Pentium4 will also require a very serious thought to cooling in order to OC, as these chips run incredibly hot at stock settings. Modern chips (both AMD and to a slightly lesser extent, intel) run much cooler and are safer for OC'ing, even using stock cooling.

It is of course your decision what you buy, but I would do some more research (don't just take what I say or anyone here says) and buy a chip based on its technical prowess not its name or brand. I think you will be happier in the long run.

[LaRoza]

@OP Do you have a motherboard already? You gave two processors that are subpar and run hot. I assumed you are restricted to these... The only reason to get a Pentium D, is if you can't get a Core 2 for some reason, but have the motherboard for it.

[myusername]

@ LaRoza no im not i just wanted something thats cheap and fast possibly 64 bit...so does that mean a 1.8 ghz core2duo is better than a 3.0 pentium d?


also this won't be for any heavy gaming just the occasonal halo or AOE III

[imronak]

Intel Pentium D 930 Presler 3.0GHz 2 x 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Dual-Core Processor - OEM

Go with this dude. Dual Core. L2 cache will also make some difference.
and 89 bucks sounds pretty cool.

[Iam138]

Ghz really don't mean (much of) anything anymore. The class of architecture is what matters. Any dual core chip will also run circles around a single core chip, and the newer designs at lower clock speeds are at least as good if not better (per core) than previous designs (like the pentiums you linked to). My current 1.8ghz runs circles around the 3,2 ghz I bought 4 years ago (essentially the same as the 3,0 pentium4 you linked to), and it saves tons in power consumption at the same time.

Also, the AMD names (Brisbane, Windsor, etc.) really aren't any more confusing than Intel's (Conroe, Prescott, etc.). The basics are: Athlon=higher end, Athlon64=Higher end + 64 bit, and Athlon64X2=highend, 64bit, dual core. Sempron = Celeron basically. I think that's far simpler than Intel's Pentium4, PentiumD, and various core2 models (6320 > 6400... whats up with that?).

Any PentiumD or Pentium4 will also require a very serious thought to cooling in order to OC, as these chips run incredibly hot at stock settings. Modern chips (both AMD and to a slightly lesser extent, intel) run much cooler and are safer for OC'ing, even using stock cooling.

It is of course your decision what you buy, but I would do some more research (don't just take what I say or anyone here says) and buy a chip based on its technical prowess not its name or brand. I think you will be happier in the long run.

+1.


Intel Pentium D 930 Presler 3.0GHz 2 x 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Dual-Core Processor - OEM

Go with this dude. Dual Core. L2 cache will also make some difference.
and 89 bucks sounds pretty cool.

Nonsense. Even the E1240 or too get lower a X2 3600+ Brissy will absolutely pwn the 930 Pressy performance wise. Both cost less. Just the facts guy.

@OP for the $ right now a X2 6400+ is hard too beat.

[gn2]

does that mean a 1.8 ghz core2duo is better than a 3.0 pentium d?I

Yes, by a country mile. http://tinyurl.com/2dn3x6


for the $ right now a X2 6400+ is hard too beat.

Pity about the high TDP.

[LaRoza]

@ LaRoza no im not i just wanted something thats cheap and fast possibly 64 bit...so does that mean a 1.8 ghz core2duo is better than a 3.0 pentium d?


also this won't be for any heavy gaming just the occasonal halo or AOE III

Yes, any Core 2 is better than a Pentium D.

Clock speed doesn't matter as much.

[myusername]

ok so what is hyper threading and do i want it?

[madjr]

im thinking about building a cheap pc this summer which is better?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116252

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116004

like another fellow said go with AMD, they run on less watts, fast and cheap
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103774

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll200/19-103-774-02.jpg

[myusername]

i think i will go with the brisbane. what do you guys think about this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103243

[gn2]

i think i will go with the brisbane. what do you guys think about this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103243

I think it would be a mistake.

Very limited future upgrade potential due to the obsolete AM2 socket.

The next generation of better AMD CPU's will not fit in an AM2 motherboard.

[Washer]

If you wan't 3.0GHz without overclocking count on dropping over $100 with AMD and over 200 with Intel. Besides raw MHz does not mean what it used too. Having said that the AMD X2 6400+ or X2 6000+ @ 3.2 GHZ and 3.0GHz respectively are the best bang for your buck.

bold is what i have & it's unreal.

[LaRoza]

ok so what is hyper threading and do i want it?

Is is "fake dual core", and no. Get dual core :)

[D-EJ915]

Is is "fake dual core", and no. Get dual core :)
no it's a single cpu with dual threads, it's completely different than a dual core

[L473ncy]

^^

No inherently it IS just a fake dual core.

It gives you the ability to run multiple threads on one CPU. There is no need for it now.

[herbster]

Yep similar to my server box's P4 3.4ghz EE. Hyperthreading CPU, it's nice but no dual core.

[LaRoza]

no it's a single cpu with dual threads, it's completely different than a dual core

Yes, that is what I said.... It tried to be a dual core without actually have two cores.

If anyone wants a full explanation, wikipedia and Intel are just a google away.

[myusername]

so you guys really don't think i should get this one? its cheap and apparently runs good

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103243

btw LaRoza what is you avatar i cant seem to figure it out lol

[LaRoza]

btw LaRoza what is you avatar i cant seem to figure it out lol

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=515751

[Iam138]

I think it would be a mistake.

Very limited future upgrade potential due to the obsolete AM2 socket.

The next generation of better AMD CPU's will not fit in an AM2 motherboard.

Not so. Not only will a AM2 CPU run in a AM2+ board a AM2+ CPU will operate in a AM2 board although it will be limited to HT 2.0.

@OP The Brisbane's are nice little chips especially the G2's. I don't see a thing wrong with your choice.

[myusername]

thanks Iam138 i will be building all of this this summer

[igknighted]

If cheap is the primary goal (and that means cheaper graphics, memory, HD's, etc.), then the Brisbane/AM2 socket combination is perfect. If you want to start cheap and add good components and eventually end up with a higher-end PC, then a nice intel 775 mobo with a pentium D wouldn't be the end of the world. You would sacrifice CPU power now and plan on upgrading to a c2d in the future. But if you plan on keeping this current chip for a length of time, I think AMD is the way to go. More bang for your buck at the lower-priced market right now.

[lespaul_rentals]

Don't buy either, you will be paying way too much for a product that doesn't live up to its expectations.

If you really want to go Intel, buy the Core 2 Duo. Otherwise, stick with AMD. The X2 5000+ Black Edition is a great chip, that's what I'm getting.

[igknighted]

Don't buy either, you will be paying way too much for a product that doesn't live up to its expectations.

If you really want to go Intel, buy the Core 2 Duo. Otherwise, stick with AMD. The X2 5000+ Black Edition is a great chip, that's what I'm getting.

This is why you never ask for chip advice in the forums :P

This one is just a little more and way better... repeat x 1,000.

In a price for performance comparison (I forget where... phoronix I think) between the athlon64X2's and core2duo's (including quads from intel and amd), the brissy 3600+ gave the most performance per dollar spent, by a substantial margin. So if your main goal is to use every dollar you spend as effectively as possible, that may be the chip for you. The more you spend, the better the chip... but the price increases faster than the performance, and benchmarks bear this out.

[lespaul_rentals]

Yes, but when you compare an Intel chip versus AMD's comperable chip, AMD will almost always defeat Intel. With features like unlocked multipliers and the like, AMD chips almost beg to be overclocked. So long as you have the means to keep the chip cool, your AMD will be one tough-to-beat processor against almost anything Intel has to offer.

The tables have been turned in the high-end chip section, however. Intel is leading the market with their Quad-Core Extreme, which is practically the best chip on the market.

[Iam138]

Yes, but when you compare an Intel chip versus AMD's comperable chip, AMD will almost always defeat Intel. With features like unlocked multipliers and the like, AMD chips almost beg to be overclocked. So long as you have the means to keep the chip cool, your AMD will be one tough-to-beat processor against almost anything Intel has to offer.

The tables have been turned in the high-end chip section, however. Intel is leading the market with their Quad-Core Extreme, which is practically the best chip on the market.

As much as it pains me to say this a E2140 overclocked to 3.0Ghz will without a doubt bench better than any X2 Brisbane @ the same clock speed including the 5000+ BE.

Having said that the Brisbanes are great chips as I have mentioned before and are more than sufficient for the the average user. The sAM2 Opteron Santa Anas are even better.

Benchmarks are not everything it's what works in the real world for your primary purpose that counts in the end.

[myusername]

as a matter of fact does anybody want to help me pick the parts for a cheap ubuntu ootb compatible 200-300 dollar pc?

[blueturtl]

as a matter of fact does anybody want to help me pick the parts for a cheap ubuntu ootb compatible 200-300 dollar pc?

Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116036

Gigabyte mobo with integrated audio and video:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128016

1 GB DDR2 memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146580

Seagate 320 GB HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140R

Compucase MicroATX box:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811121003

DVD Writer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118002

300W PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104031

All this comes to about $308 respectively.

If price wasn't so tight I'd probably throw in an ASUS GeForce 7300GT Silent for better performance, but the integrated video will suffice if you're not going to do much 3D with it.

[myusername]

thanks! and i have a dvd writer lying around so i can invest in some more ram or something

[Atomic Dog]

Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116036

Gigabyte mobo with integrated audio and video:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128016

1 GB DDR2 memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146580

Seagate 320 GB HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140R

Compucase MicroATX box:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811121003

DVD Writer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118002

300W PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104031

All this comes to about $308 respectively.

If price wasn't so tight I'd probably throw in an ASUS GeForce 7300GT Silent for better performance, but the integrated video will suffice if you're not going to do much 3D with it.

I have built a couple of BSEL modded E21xx pentuim dual core systems. They have good scoot even without overclocking -with it they really bench well. For the $200 they paid they are blown away.