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malleus
February 26th, 2008, 03:39 AM
matagal ko na naririnig ito sa amin sa CSJDM, a politician donating sets of computer to public school amounting to 200k/pc, malaking halaga para sa isang pc, ang alibi..... may mga kasama daw kasing licensed softwares. kahit naman siguro xp, office at antivirus e hindi aabot ng ganung halaga ang license.

isa din siguro sa dahilan kung bakit ayaw ng ibang pulitiko ang paglipat sa mga free softwares, bukod sa limitadong kaalaman sa mga free softwares, nagagamit din nilang dahilan ang mga propriety software upang palaganapin ang corruption sa pamahalaan.

papichulo
February 26th, 2008, 04:05 AM
siguro mas mainam kung makakausap mo yung technical committee nila kung meron man o kung sino ang namamahala sa inyong IT System na sana ay gamitin nilang operating system ay open source., iwas gastos na iwas virus pa.

dapat ay hindi sila basta tanggap ng tanggap, dapat iisipin nilang mabuti kung ano magiging silbi nito sa kanilang paaralan.

:)

Nhatz
February 26th, 2008, 04:59 AM
WOW! 200K para sa isang pc? nakapagtayo nako ng isang internet cafe nun ah.... hehehehe. nakakapagbuo nga ako ng 10-11K ng pac eh. hehehehe. bigyan nila akong 200K eh halos Mainframe na siguro mabibili ko nun eh. hahahaha
Astig! :guitar:

perbiu
February 26th, 2008, 06:55 AM
Ang nariringgan kong Chismis ay kasama ang licensed software sa budget pero pag dating pirated na ang nakainstall.

ragadanga63
February 26th, 2008, 02:20 PM
Lumang tugtugin na 'to. One time nagservice ako ng pc sa isang public school. Nasilip ko ang delivery receipt sa gamit nila. Yong Epson printer na tig-3000 lang 12000 ang presyo doon. Yong P3 na PC ay 45,000.00. Sabagay Acer naman yon pero nasira a little after a year. Pagbukas ko luma ang sa loob. Parang refurb lang.

malleus
February 26th, 2008, 03:32 PM
Ang nariringgan kong Chismis ay kasama ang licensed software sa budget pero pag dating pirated na ang nakainstall.

correct ka dyan sir, sabi nung teacher nung school mukhang isa lang talaga ang license the rest kinopya na lang.

Samhain13
February 26th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Bitay ang nararapat para sa mga ganito.

Ang lalakas ng loob magsabing nag-donate ng 200K/PC, hindi lang nila alam na sa pagmamalaki nila, nabibisto sila. Sangayon ako na kahit may XP, MS Office at commercial anti-virus yung mga PC, hindi naman aabot sa 200K ang isa nun! Lalo na't bulot malamang yun binili-- hindi ba't may diskuwento sa bulto?

Bitay talaga ang dapat sa mga ganito.

Nhatz
February 27th, 2008, 03:04 AM
Yeah! pano matututo mga magaaral kung puro kickback ang inaatupag nila at ang inaatupag ng mga guro ay ang paglalaro ng Texttwist at Hanggaroo.... hay naku! kaya ang mga magaaal ay puro CounterStrike at DOTA ang natututunan.. kung tututukan lang talaga natin ang IT dito sa bansa mas di hamak na kayang-kaya natin higitan ang iba nating karatig na bansa tulad ng Korea at Japan (marami kayang magagaling na programmer sa pinas).

Astig! :guitar:

business.geek
February 27th, 2008, 04:22 PM
Yeah! pano matututo mga magaaral kung puro kickback ang inaatupag nila at ang inaatupag ng mga guro ay ang paglalaro ng Texttwist at Hanggaroo.... hay naku! kaya ang mga magaaal ay puro CounterStrike at DOTA ang natututunan.. kung tututukan lang talaga natin ang IT dito sa bansa mas di hamak na kayang-kaya natin higitan ang iba nating karatig na bansa tulad ng Korea at Japan (marami kayang magagaling na programmer sa pinas).

Astig! :guitar:

I agree with you sir. so much talent is wasted. tsk...

Nhatz
February 28th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Take note! kinatatakutan ang mga pinoy programmers.... hehehehehe (Bakit kaya?)
Astig! :guitar:

dodimar
February 28th, 2008, 12:46 AM
Sinong pulitiko ito at sang school or department napunta ang mga gintong computers na ito?

pwede po ba kayo magbigay ng info. father in law ko is working sa PIO ng city hall (san jose del monte). Pwede itong i-publicize para makita ng mga tao, or pwede ko syang tanungin (kung involved ang City Govt sa case na ito)....

Nhatz
February 28th, 2008, 01:29 AM
Dude May nagsabi sakin na yung ibang unit na binigay (with Edubuntu Installed) sa San Jose del Monte National Highschool ay binalik sa XP (may mga applications daw sila na hindi tumatakbo sa Edubuntu kuno...!).... hmmmmm... baka hindi lang mapatakbo ang Texttwist? hehehehe :), masamang senyales to... nagdonate lang naman kasi ang government (hindi lang natin alam kung magkano budget nila dun per unit) hindi nman nag-conduct ng seminar kung pano gamitin... tsk tsk tsk. so.... mga Ubuntureros ng CSJDM mukang kelangan natin kumilos... hehehehe. :)
Astig! :guitar:

ragadanga63
February 28th, 2008, 04:25 AM
Haaay...Takot talaga ang mga High School Teachers sa Linux.

eilu
February 28th, 2008, 02:21 PM
Haaay...Takot talaga ang mga High School Teachers sa Linux.
ung IT department nga ng UST e takot sa linux... baka namiss nila viruses nila kaya nag-windows? :lol:

madalas mangayri ang ganyang lokohan, hindi na news yan. dapat kasi from the ground up ang change; it must start in the individuals and the community then filter up to the government (if at all)... parang text!

malleus
February 29th, 2008, 05:46 AM
Sinong pulitiko ito at sang school or department napunta ang mga gintong computers na ito?

pwede po ba kayo magbigay ng info. father in law ko is working sa PIO ng city hall (san jose del monte). Pwede itong i-publicize para makita ng mga tao, or pwede ko syang tanungin (kung involved ang City Govt sa case na ito)....

1 teacher Sapang Palay National Trade School ang nagsabi sa akin na yung previous city mayor ang nagdonate sa kanila ng ganuong pc, the same goes with some of public school na nabigyan ng unit na ganuon din ang halaga courtesy of the former congressman of the city. makikita daw ito sa vouchers nung mga school na pinagbigyan ng mga computer.

with regards to Sapang National National High School, positive yun sir nhatz, binalik nila sa XP yung system ng mga computers na ibinigay sa kanila.

we can't blame the teachers kung bakit takot silang gamitin ang linux, most probably kulang pa ang kaalaman nila sa linux, at isa sa masakit na katotohanan may katamaran din minsan ang ating mga computer educators sa pagaaral.

talagang panahon ng magconduct ng information drive/seminars/training ang mga ubuntureros ng bulacan.

Nhatz
February 29th, 2008, 07:46 AM
Hindi nman sa takot sila hindi lang talaga sil amakapag laro ng texttwist. hehehehe :).... kailangan na talaga natin kumilos... at isa pa, yung mga nagtuturo ng computer ay wala or konti lang talaga ang kaalaman tungkol sa computer.. heheheheh :)

Astig! :guitar:

glenn45
February 29th, 2008, 09:56 AM
Nhatz,
May point kaw. Kelangan talaga natin ng texttwist sa ubuntu! Hehehee.
Pero, seriously, tingin ko , hindi naman maselan ang pinoy pag dating sa kung ano ang OS na ginagamit as long as gumagana yung gusto nilang mga softwares eh - tulad ng text twist o hanggaroo. Once na mapagana na yang texttwist at hanggaroo..kelangan siguro sunod eh magaling na pag markent ng ubuntu o ano mang linux na os. Pwede naman natin ebenta di ba? Kahit 30 pesos lang. hehe. O di talo na yung mga pirated versions ng windows na binibenta ng mga pirata diyan.

:guitar:

Nhatz
February 29th, 2008, 10:15 AM
gagana nman siguro texttwist at hanggaroo sa wine dba? hehehehe. pero mas astig kung meron din counterpart ng mga yun for linux...(off topic na ata..?)
Astig! :guitar:

glenn45
February 29th, 2008, 10:23 AM
oo nga. off topic na tayo. di ko pa natry sa wine yung hanggaroo at texttwist. hehe.

pero seriously, magbenta kaya tayo ng mga ubuntu dvds o cds na may software? para sa mga taong walang internet access o mabagal ang connections... actually na download ko na ang buong repository para sa ubuntu 6.06 at 7.06, pero for 64 bit lang. pwede ko namang eh download yung buong rep for 32 bit. i can make dvds out of them too...
:guitar:

Nhatz
February 29th, 2008, 10:48 AM
Ilang DVD's yun?
Astig! :guitar:

glenn45
February 29th, 2008, 11:09 AM
Para sa 6.06 apat, at para sa 7.06 lima. pwede din naman ata natin maconfigure na yung mga 'necessary' softwares lang ang eh burn.

glenn45
February 29th, 2008, 11:09 AM
tipong yung parang ubuntu ultimate baga.

echo2knight
February 29th, 2008, 05:47 PM
I know this is off-topic, @glenn45, brod may kopya ka na ng 7.10 repos, pakopya naman....

Back to topic. If I'm not mistaken, the Commission on Audit, allows 65% markups for government purchases.

Kaso kung 200k for the price. Dapat 100k up ang original price ng unit. Alam nyo ba kung anong klaseng PC unit to? Baka naman barebone na na nagkakahalaga ng 10k?

Nhatz
March 1st, 2008, 02:03 AM
Gobyerno bibili ng barebone? hahahahaha... wish ko lang! eh yung mga donate nga nila hindi pa nga ata 100% na brandnew... sus! donate din yun ng ibang bansa na pinaglumaan nila.. hehehehe :) gobyerno talaga natin! hindi ba sila pwedeng bumili na walang kickback eh para sa kabutihan naman ng bansa yun!
Astig! :guitar:

glenn45
March 1st, 2008, 03:34 AM
nhatz,
6.06 at 7.06 lang na mirror ko. yung 7.10 hindi ko pa nagawa. :guitar:

Samhain13
March 1st, 2008, 11:23 AM
Computer na halagang 100K, sana Mac na lang ang ibinigay nila. Hahahaha! :D

raxso
March 1st, 2008, 01:16 PM
Ang nariringgan kong Chismis ay kasama ang licensed software sa budget pero pag dating pirated na ang nakainstall.

hayyyyzzzz pulitiko nga naman.... syempre malaki ang kita dyan eh, kaya nga hanggang ngaun wala pa rin usad ang opensource software dahil sa ginagawa nila....

Nhatz
March 2nd, 2008, 06:30 PM
Hay naku! what can u expect pa sa gobyerno natin.... tayo na nga tong mga FOSS people ang gumagawa ng hakbang sila nman tng pa-pogi ng pa-pogi (sila kasi ang may budget) kung susuportahan lang ng gobyerno ang Opensource movement eh para rin sa ikabubuti ng bansa natin yun...
Astig! :guitar:

perbiu
March 3rd, 2008, 06:08 AM
Kaya siguro supal pal yung FOSS bill kasi mahihirapan sila kumikbak doon.:):):)
:lolflag::guitar:

raxso
March 3rd, 2008, 09:53 AM
Kaya siguro supal pal yung FOSS bill kasi mahihirapan sila kumikbak doon.:):):)
:lolflag::guitar:

Sobrang agree ako dun.. paano maa prove yun kung ang gamit nilang computer ay bigay ng microsoft....... :(

echo2knight
March 4th, 2008, 01:08 AM
Sobrang agree ako dun.. paano maa prove yun kung ang gamit nilang computer ay bigay ng microsoft....... :(

FYI: As of this writing, the FOSS house bill is still pending in the House of Congress.

Kaya kung sino yung malalapit dyan sa mga Congressmen, digahan nyo na ng maipasa kaagad!!!

dodimar
March 4th, 2008, 03:27 PM
Guys, can you give me specific details regarding sa kaso na ito. names of people involved, yung school na involved. Just PM me or mail me. I-publicize kasi ito para makita ng madla ang kalokohang pinaggagagawa ng mga pulitiko.

mail me at dodimar20<at>yahoo<dot>com

everything shall be condisidered confidential and your identity shall be kept anonymous.

thanks..

dodimar
March 12th, 2008, 02:52 PM
wala ng nag-respond...

Seems like tsismis lang talaga ito and there is no truth in this.

Pero kung sa tingin nyo totoo talaga ito... give me info...

:guitar:

ragenfury
April 13th, 2008, 01:15 PM
wala ng nag-respond...

Seems like tsismis lang talaga ito and there is no truth in this.

Pero kung sa tingin nyo totoo talaga ito... give me info...

:guitar:
Takot lang siguro sila ma involved. alam mo naman dito sa atin ung whistle blower pa nakakasuhan

adredz
April 13th, 2008, 03:00 PM
so pathetic... I don't even know what to think anymore! sira talaga mga ulo ng mga politiko sa bansa natin! haaaaay....corruption EVERYWHERE!

perbiu
April 14th, 2008, 02:04 AM
Eto yata yung balita na yon.


More pork graft exposed

PCs at P217,500 each for Luzon IT projects
By Volt Contreras
Inquirer
First Posted 01:30am (Mla time) 03/22/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- Dubious pork barrel expenditures have gone techie.

A civil society report on the use of congressional pork barrel uncovered at least six information technology (IT) projects in Luzon in which basic, “unbranded” personal computers installed in public schools were allegedly bought at P217,500 each.

An unbranded PC with licensed software would normally cost just around P50,000 at the most, noted the first installment of “PDAF Watch,” an initiative of the Caucus of Development NGO Networks (Code-NGO).

The “overpriced” IT projects were found in Metro Manila, Southern Tagalog and Central Luzon.

Pork barrel, a source of kickbacks, is a fund appropriated in the national budget to help lawmakers curry favor with voters by identifying the projects that will be funded by their pork barrel allocations.

PDAF, or Priority Development Assistance Fund, is the pork barrel allocated to members of the House of Representatives and senators.

It is mainly used for projects on a menu set by the Department of Budget and Management, such as health care and education. Congressional Allocation (CA), also a pork barrel, is mainly for infrastructure projects.

A congressman representing a district is allocated P65 million in PDAF a year and a party-list representative, P35 million. A senator gets P200 million in PDAF.

Shabbily built roads

In a presentation Wednesday, Code-NGO officers said PDAF Watch “monitors” from around the country, who worked on the project between 2005 and 2006, reported the following:

• Of the 64 road projects nationwide that were covered by the report, 18 projects, or 28 percent, were found “defective” when inspected less than a year after their completion. The shabbily built roads already had potholes, cracks, or thinning layers of concrete or gravel.

• Of the same sample, two road projects were actually nonexistent yet declared “completed” in documents the volunteers had obtained from the Department of Public Works and Highways.

• The cost of the defective roads totaled P14 million, or 17 percent of the P84.6 million spent for the 64 roads in the sample.

• Of the seven IT projects monitored, six had PCs costing P217,500 each “even though their parts were unbranded” or could be had for much lower prices in the market.

Raise awareness

The report was dubbed the “first phase” of PDAF Watch, with the next edition expected to be released after the May elections.

The project aims to raise public awareness of how the controversial funds were actually being used, and to influence legislation that will make the projects more transparent, according to Code-NGO executive director Sixto Donato Macasaet.

In a parallel effort, PDAF Watch volunteers wrote all the 235 members of the House (including the 25 party-list representatives) and 23 senators in October 2005, requesting information on their pork-funded projects under the 2004 budget.

Only 20 solons cooperated

One year later, after a follow-up letter and several phone calls to their office, only 20 lawmakers, or 8 percent of the total number of House members and senators, bothered to furnish Code-NGO with documents.

“It is apparent that there is a big area for improvement in the transparency of the PDAF/CA projects of Congress,” Macasaet said at a forum at the Ateneo de Manila University in Quezon City.

He said his group “encourages prosecution” and would be willing to assist others who would like to use the PDAF Watch findings as basis for filing graft cases before the Office of the Ombudsman.

Not necessarily liable

Macasaet conceded, however, that even among the ranks of the PDAF Watch volunteers, many would think twice about elevating the matter to the court and be publicly identified for security reasons.

He also explained that lawmakers were “not necessarily liable (may kasalanan)” if projects in their districts funded by pork or financed under their name began to smell fishy.


http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view_article.php?article_id=56255

dodimar
April 14th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Actually, may nagbigay na sa akin ng info who are the "politicians" involved. Thanks perbiu for the reference. We could use that to support the information we are gathering. If you have further information regarding this, please PM me or post it here..

Thanks....

malleus
April 15th, 2008, 01:09 AM
ang hindi ko maintindihan ay kung bakit ang mga sinasabing gabay ng mga mag-aaral, maging ang mga punong-guro ay hinahayaang umiral ang ganitong sistema.

dodimar
April 15th, 2008, 01:23 AM
Dahil marahil sa nasisilaw sila sa pera?!