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ODF
January 18th, 2008, 03:45 AM
Is that true ? :popcorn:

overdrank
January 18th, 2008, 03:46 AM
Is that true ? :popcorn:

Well I maybe broke but I would not say I am poor. :KS SO NO!!!

bufsabre666
January 18th, 2008, 03:46 AM
im sure its like windows users, some are some arent, im poor so i cant say anything

Redache
January 18th, 2008, 03:47 AM
I'm poor but I can only speak for myself (or as poor as someone can be with the luxury of a computer).

Æniad
January 18th, 2008, 03:48 AM
Short answer? No. Don't make generalizations based upon nothing.

jpittack
January 18th, 2008, 03:49 AM
Very few users use linux because they can't afford the new hardware. There is a poll around somewhere in the forums. I myself am not poor, but I can't afford a $1,000 computer either. I have an $800 laptop, which is now outdated in terms of performace againist competition, as well as battery life. If I stick with linux, my battery life goes up, I don't need a new laptop to keep up with windows, and I don't need to spend the upfront money on a mac. Everything on my computer but the Vista OS and one video game is free.

So linux users are cheap, poor, or just enjoying the freedom, among other reasons. Poor is not the foresmost reason.

venator260
January 18th, 2008, 03:56 AM
I'm a college student that had spare time and a broadband connection. I downloaded Ubuntu on the recommendation of a (rather well off) friend. I initially used it as something to mess with, but it worked out well when I bought a laptop that (surprise!) had no operating system, and that I didn't want to spend the money and effort on getting a USB cd drive working and put XP on the thing.

I came to Ubuntu because it was something to try. I stayed because I liked it. My economic situation had nothing to do with it. The fact that it runs rather quickly on this now 5 year old laptop is a definite plus.

David Ostrom
January 18th, 2008, 03:57 AM
I was poor when I used Windows, but now I'm rich since I switched to Ubuntu.

jflaker
January 18th, 2008, 04:00 AM
Not poor............

Why would I want to spend $200+ MORE for a computer just because it has windows on it!

Dngrsone
January 18th, 2008, 04:02 AM
There are few indeed who think they are making as much money as they feel they should or would like. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee303/Dngrs_1/Inmyday.gif

I grew up on the poor side, I have little expendable cash now, but my kids are far better off than I was at their age (they're spoiled rotten, actually). http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee303/Dngrs_1/Darnkids.gif

I use Ubuntu for many reasons, and one of them is because I'm a cheapskate, not because I am poor. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee303/Dngrs_1/naughty.gif

FuturePilot
January 18th, 2008, 04:03 AM
I would say no. It's awesome that Linux is free, but that's not even on my top 10 reasons for using Linux.

p_quarles
January 18th, 2008, 04:07 AM
I would say no. It's awesome that Linux is free, but that's not even on my top 10 reasons for using Linux.
Seriously. I have yet to own a computer that didn't come with a proprietary OS license. I plan to build the next one myself, but that's a good three years down the road.

So, I have Windows, I just don't use it all that often.

balaknair
January 18th, 2008, 04:10 AM
speaking for myself
broke- certainly, cheap- very
but poor? nope

ODF
January 18th, 2008, 04:11 AM
I was poor when I used Windows, but now I'm rich since I switched to Ubuntu.

Hehe interesting =)

In my case I use linux because I want to evolve

money2themax
January 18th, 2008, 04:12 AM
Not poor............

Why would I want to spend $200+ MORE for a computer just because it has windows on it!
:KSexactally!:KS

FuturePilot
January 18th, 2008, 04:14 AM
Seriously. I have yet to own a computer that didn't come with a proprietary OS license. I plan to build the next one myself, but that's a good three years down the road.

So, I have Windows, I just don't use it all that often.

Same here. All my computers came with some version of Windows, but I barely use that OS anymore. :twisted:

Methuselah
January 18th, 2008, 04:15 AM
Windows user clueless?

Just kidding....heh

I doubt linux users are exlucively poor.
IBM, Daimler-Chrysler and SGI all use linux.
Maybe linux users are more likely to be rich.
After all, they're smart enough not to pay for the OS for each machine AND CALs (wth!?) from Microsoft.

money2themax
January 18th, 2008, 04:19 AM
Windows user clueless?

Just kidding....heh

I doubt linux users are exlucively poor.
IBM, Daimler-Chrysler and SGI all use linux.
Maybe linux users are more likely to be rich.
After all, they're smart enough not to pay for the OS for each machine AND CALs (wth!?) from Microsoft.
CALs? Whats that?

FenderGuy2112
January 18th, 2008, 04:19 AM
I'm FROOGLE not poor!


FenderGuy2112

BobSongs
January 18th, 2008, 04:34 AM
I guess it just depends on how you want to spend your time and money. Some find it frustrating to keep paying Microsoft (a multi-national corporation with a bank account larger than some countries) a steady fee.

Besides, I'm reminded of a story of a boy who lived in an area where the US government subsidized the housing. Construction workers told the lad they were building homes for "the poor". Stunned, he ran home and asked: "Mom? Are we poor?" She answered: "No, son; we're not poor. We just don't have a lot of money."

True to his mother's words he grew up to be well off.

Give me a million dollars and I'll stick with Ubuntu. I might even get a few more machines... and one of them will likely run Gentoo. ;)

johndc
January 18th, 2008, 04:37 AM
Pretty much anyone who qualifies as a "Linux user", as someone pointed out, ostensibly has the great luxury of owning a computer.

If you can afford a computer, you most certainly do not qualify as impoverished in my opinion.

Someone is "poor" if they do not have access to/can't afford things like heat in the winter, food, clothing, sewage service, etc. Keeping this in perspective, nobody here would really qualify as poor. And the frivolous question of "which computer operating system to use?" is the last thing on the minds of people who actually are.

BobSongs
January 18th, 2008, 04:40 AM
Pretty much anyone who qualifies as a "Linux user", as someone pointed out, ostensibly has the great luxury of owning a computer.

If you can afford a computer, you most certainly do not qualify as impoverished in my opinion.

Someone is "poor" if they do not have access to/can't afford things like heat in the winter, food, clothing, sewage service, etc. Keeping this in perspective, nobody here would really qualify as poor. And the frivolous question of "which computer operating system to use?" is the last thing on the minds of people who actually are.

Bingo. End of discussion. Time to close this thread. ;)

EvilMarshmallow
January 18th, 2008, 04:42 AM
I wish I could convince them to give me a raise, but I'm not doing too bad.

Money2theMax, CALs are "Client Access Licenses". It's a way to purchase Windows. You can either buy a separate license for each machine, or if you're doing some sort of terminal server setup, you can buy a Windows Server copy and x CALs, allowing you to have x clients connected to that server.

Anyway, back on topic... Linux users aren't poor. They're making a tradeoff decision. I can either buy Windows and not tinker with my Operating System EVER, or I can get $DISTRO for free and maybe have to tweak it a bit to get it to work (although even the tweaking is getting to be less & less). If you like messing around with computers, it's just good financial sense to stay away from Windows.

And johndc is right... if someone's truly poor, their OS is the last thing on their mind.

~LoKe
January 18th, 2008, 04:45 AM
No!

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6161/00011ki6.jpg

I just prefer not to spend money on things if I can avoid it.

inversekinetix
January 18th, 2008, 04:53 AM
theres nothing wrong with owning an expensive computer nor a cheaper one, nothing at all. i don't see the point of this thread

p_quarles
January 18th, 2008, 05:03 AM
theres nothing wrong with owning an expensive computer nor a cheaper one, nothing at all. i don't see the point of this thread
Of course there's nothing wrong with either of those things.

As for the point of this thread: there are people who say that the only reason to use Linux is because it's free as in beer. Of course, they're wrong, and most of us who use it don't use it for that specific reason.
Evidently, the OP heard that cliche somewhere, and was asking if it had any validity.

~LoKe
January 18th, 2008, 05:07 AM
I own a legit copy of Windows and I've chosen not to use it. Not because it's free in any way, but rather because it does everything I want, whereas Windows did not (for me, at least).

money2themax
January 18th, 2008, 05:08 AM
No!

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6161/00011ki6.jpg

I just prefer not to spend money on things if I can avoid it.
nice are those black things next to your duel monitors your computer speakers?

~LoKe
January 18th, 2008, 05:09 AM
nice are those black things next to your duel monitors your computer speakers?

"Computer speakers"? ;)

Technically, yes. I have my computer hooked up to the receiver you see on the left.

paintba||er
January 18th, 2008, 05:10 AM
I'm not poor. Usually people say that I'm rich, though I'm really just middle class....

K.Mandla
January 18th, 2008, 05:15 AM
Nope. Far from it. Just conservative with my money. :mrgreen:

oldos2er
January 18th, 2008, 05:30 AM
:popcorn:
Is that true ?

Ask Mark Shuttleworth.

sloggerkhan
January 18th, 2008, 05:36 AM
College student. I'd rather save a few hundred dollars on office, photoshop, etc, use free software, and spend the money I've earned on something usefull, like food or a monitor.

Wouldn't say I'm poor, but definately not really supporting myself.

Dark Hornet
January 18th, 2008, 05:57 AM
I don't think Linux users are poor...Personally I have found that I just simply like using Linux more than Windows...in addition, I find that I am far more productive. Any time I use a Windows machine--which is rare as I use SUN Solaris at work--I feel like I am "restricted" in some way...I don't have the same flexability that I do with my Ubuntu box....anyway, just my two cents.

ODF
January 18th, 2008, 06:00 AM
I'm glad to see so many serious answers to that small but actually good to know subject.

I would be the first to be glad to know that people really benefit of the free thing.

I think I will like the Community Cafe and have a nice chance to pratice my english =)

I know that people aren't less rich in linux, I wanted to know if people would be offended by that question wich was not. I'm asking since people seams to want free stuff only even if the software to pay is good.

SZF2001
January 18th, 2008, 06:06 AM
This reminds me of a weird story... You see, I got a new computer over my old crappy PIII 700something MHz computer which is far superior, so I gave it to a somewhat poorer family (not REALLY poor, but they are having troubles supporting themselves). Installed Xubuntu on it with a bunch of preinstalled programs to run things like a DVD or MP3s and have Flash on their web browser and stuff... I gave them a nice little short list on what things did and how to work on stuff.

You know what they did when they got it? Threw all my **** out the window and installed Windows. Wow. So they'd rather go and pay for stuff (or become pirates and face jail time) rather than use something free...

Me, I'm pretty well off. I'm not Mr. Millionaire but I'm not Mr. Hobo either.

money2themax
January 18th, 2008, 06:07 AM
:popcorn:

Ask Mark Shuttleworth.
thats the guy who founded Cronical and google right?

zipperback
January 18th, 2008, 06:11 AM
Is that true ? :popcorn:


I suppose that some Linux users are poor, some are wealthy, some are 18 years old, some are 50.

I don't think a matter of ones financial capabilities is a measure by which you can judge if they use Linux or not.

- zipperback
:popcorn:

jharadie
January 18th, 2008, 06:51 AM
Pretty much anyone who qualifies as a "Linux user", as someone pointed out, ostensibly has the great luxury of owning a computer.

If you can afford a computer, you most certainly do not qualify as impoverished in my opinion.

Someone is "poor" if they do not have access to/can't afford things like heat in the winter, food, clothing, sewage service, etc. Keeping this in perspective, nobody here would really qualify as poor. And the frivolous question of "which computer operating system to use?" is the last thing on the minds of people who actually are.

Technically and officially speaking, I am poor. I am disabled, live in low-income housing, and regularly visit the local church food bank. My computer is a second-hand hand-me-down. My single largest expense after rent is my internet connection, which I afford by doing things like using low-wattage light bulbs, eating lots of cheap wal-mart burritos and other things.

But I am RICH, too! While I get very frustrated that just about every flavor of Linux has some very annoying hardware compatibility issues, Linux makes me learn, dig in, figure it out for myself, and Ubuntu in particular eases the trauma quite a bit. I'm over 50, senile dementia runs in my family. But I am convinced that using Linux (esp Ubuntu), scouring the forums when I run into a problem or have an idea I'd like to try, will keep my mind active and sharp as long as possible, hopefully longer than the average in my bloodline.

In my senior/disabled building, I'm considered somewhat of a computer "guru" (I spent years learning that other OS, and can still handle most things, tho I *refuse* to deal with Vista). My one big complaint applies to ALL Linux, not just Ubuntu, lack of support (verging on disdain) for softmodems. Many people in my building have expressed a desire to have a computer so they could access email and surf for things like recipes. There is a local organization that occasionally is willing to donate old comps, which usually include softmodems, but with no OS. If I could slap on Linux (preferably Ubuntu, since as I like to tell people it goes beyond being user-friendly to moron-tolerant [grin]), we could have a lot more "groaners" on the net (though that might impinge on the Bingo games [grin]).

My biggest consolation is that we have one disabled person in the building who has a benefactor, so has a brand-new machine with Vista and all kinds of bells and whistles. He tries to brag, but it's easy to shut him down by explaining how Linux is free, fast, easy (at least Ubuntu is), and using Wine takes care of most everything else. That really makes my day! (great big evil grin)

In the decade or so that I've been around/used Linux (I started on RH 7x way back when), and from my point of view, and I emphasize that this is just my point of view, I would say Linux users are not poor. Hardware limitations take money to overcome, but the desire to have choice and independence is a richness beyond measure.

BTW, I live less than 100 miles from the M$ main campus. :o

money2themax
January 18th, 2008, 06:59 AM
Technically and officially speaking, I am poor. I am disabled, live in low-income housing, and regularly visit the local church food bank. My computer is a second-hand hand-me-down. My single largest expense after rent is my internet connection, which I afford by doing things like using low-wattage light bulbs, eating lots of cheap wal-mart burritos and other things.

But I am RICH, too! While I get very frustrated that just about every flavor of Linux has some very annoying hardware compatibility issues, Linux makes me learn, dig in, figure it out for myself, and Ubuntu in particular eases the trauma quite a bit. I'm over 50, senile dementia runs in my family. But I am convinced that using Linux (esp Ubuntu), scouring the forums when I run into a problem or have an idea I'd like to try, will keep my mind active and sharp as long as possible, hopefully longer than the average in my bloodline.

In my senior/disabled building, I'm considered somewhat of a computer "guru" (I spent years learning that other OS, and can still handle most things, tho I *refuse* to deal with Vista). My one big complaint applies to ALL Linux, not just Ubuntu, lack of support (verging on disdain) for softmodems. Many people in my building have expressed a desire to have a computer so they could access email and surf for things like recipes. There is a local organization that occasionally is willing to donate old comps, which usually include softmodems, but with no OS. If I could slap on Linux (preferably Ubuntu, since as I like to tell people it goes beyond being user-friendly to moron-tolerant [grin]), we could have a lot more "groaners" on the net (though that might impinge on the Bingo games [grin]).

My biggest consolation is that we have one disabled person in the building who has a benefactor, so has a brand-new machine with Vista and all kinds of bells and whistles. He tries to brag, but it's easy to shut him down by explaining how Linux is free, fast, easy (at least Ubuntu is), and using Wine takes care of most everything else. That really makes my day! (great big evil grin)

In the decade or so that I've been around/used Linux (I started on RH 7x way back when), and from my point of view, and I emphasize that this is just my point of view, I would say Linux users are not poor. Hardware limitations take money to overcome, but the desire to have choice and independence is a richness beyond measure.

BTW, I live less than 100 miles from the M$ main campus. :o
wow right on good sir convert as many as you can to our cause and i hope you live long and prosper:KS [anybody who has known spock knows where that came from]

someonestolemyname
January 18th, 2008, 07:07 AM
I'm pretty sure that the main reason that people choose linux is because of the superior os, not the price...

Judging by the systems I see on this forum a lot (see above), there are plenty of people willing to pay for what they consider worth the money.

I personally use Linux because it is easier, faster, and more flexible. It is running on a pretty nice laptop that has a legit XP Pro install that I prefer not to use.

TeaSwigger
January 18th, 2008, 07:23 AM
One o' them thar recurrin' dis-cussions, mayhaps?

Heard the phrase a lot. Could be it helps the accusers to feel justified in their investments, I suppose. There are certain talk shows, "advice" shows, court shows, etc, which survive in part on doing just that. It's very popular with those living their lives defined by the current cultural precepts of what "everybody" (thus themselves) should do and should have and should... so forth.


Pretty much anyone who qualifies as a "Linux user", as someone pointed out, ostensibly has the great luxury of owning a computer.

If you can afford a computer, you most certainly do not qualify as impoverished in my opinion.

Someone is "poor" if they do not have access to/can't afford things like heat in the winter, food, clothing, sewage service, etc. Keeping this in perspective, nobody here would really qualify as poor. And the frivolous question of "which computer operating system to use?" is the last thing on the minds of people who actually are.

Now that's setting it straight. :KS

money2themax
January 18th, 2008, 07:38 AM
I'm pretty sure that the main reason that people choose linux is because of the superior os, not the price...

Judging by the systems I see on this forum a lot (see above), there are plenty of people willing to pay for what they consider worth the money.

I personally use Linux because it is easier, faster, and more flexible. It is running on a pretty nice laptop that has a legit XP Pro install that I prefer not to use.can you use the touch pad with ubuntu without drivers?

jrusso2
January 18th, 2008, 08:12 AM
I am not poor I am just thrifty and I don't like paying over paying for useless and vulnerable software.

dasunst3r
January 18th, 2008, 08:27 AM
I could've easily afforded a MacBook Pro a year ago when I was looking into buying a new computer, but I ultimately went with the Dell Inspiron E1505 and Ubuntu Linux. By being able to afford a MacBook Pro, I establish that I am *not* poor; but by buying something $1,000 cheaper, I establish that I am doing what I think is the most economical method to get my daily tasks done.

Methuselah
January 18th, 2008, 08:44 AM
I'm not going to say that I don't like that it's free.
But it's not so much about the money.
Rather it's because paid for software comes with many usage restrictions.

I think there are people who pay money for CDs of free operating systems. The 'freedom' is really not about dollars.

zetetic
January 18th, 2008, 08:51 AM
Is that true ? :popcorn:

What matters if linux users are poor or not?
Does it make any difference?

Linux users (specially Debian, Gento and Slackware users) are just much more intelligent then windoze users. That's all.

cheers,

zetetic

TeaSwigger
January 18th, 2008, 08:51 AM
can you use the touch pad with ubuntu without drivers?

Yeah ya didn't ask me :biggrin: but if you're wondering in general, I've a Dell Inspiron I recently installed ubuntu on, and yes the touch pad worked right away with no drivers, tweaking etc required. Don't know if that's typical but they can work "out of the box" if that's what you're wondering :wink:

Cresho
January 18th, 2008, 09:07 AM
I just spent..... money on my new hardware just to run ubuntu and windows. My ubuntu is my primary os and windows is just for gaming..nothing more.

so
you calculate it
hp w2408 monitor
amd 6400 black edition
gigabyte mobo and a-data 2gb memory
1 terabyte diskspace (2x500gb hardisks)
coolermaster case (175 dollars)
nvidia bfg 8800gt
silverstone fan controller and 6 fans
550 watts power box.
high definition tv tuner card and analog tuner card
wifi
bluetooth
scanner
printer.

well worth just to get ubuntu running.

antisocialist
January 18th, 2008, 09:12 AM
if i was poor i wouldn't have 3 computers
if i was poor i wouldn't have a 5mbps internet connection
if i was poor i wouldn't have much clothing, heating, air conditioning, food, or water
if i was poor i wouldn't know what linux is
if i was poor i wouldn't be able to look at this thread via the internet using a computer that runs on electricity
if i was poor i wouldn't be wasting my time explaining that i am not poor to some ignorant window using fool

to answer your question, NO linux users aren't poor, they are rich smart and happy people, whereas windows users are stupid, poor and freedomless

seriously what is the point of this thread anyone who can read it obviously isnt poor because they have electricity, a computer, and the internet, and probably and apartment or house as well

billgoldberg
January 18th, 2008, 09:24 AM
That maybe the case with some but i'll doubt thats true for the majority.

I think alot of linux users actually own windows licences. I own xp and vista licences, I just don't use them, well because I like linux that much more.

hhhhhx
January 18th, 2008, 09:37 AM
im not old enough to even have a job :lolflag:

HermanAB
January 18th, 2008, 09:40 AM
Insofar as that Linux will never go away: The poor will always be with us.

loell
January 18th, 2008, 09:45 AM
yes I am poor, And I fail to see the relevance if this is and/or whenever this is true to some or many of us.

naturally, anything free or cost effective is loved by the poor.

isn't it great that linux is the OS for the poor? while it can still cater to the elite, the rich and the middle class?

ponychaser
January 18th, 2008, 09:52 AM
I own an iBook, a G4 desktop, and recently bought a Toshiba Satellite laptop just so I could install Xubuntu on something new and mobile. All so I could learn a new way of doing things. However, I'm not sure how I am going to eat next week. I don't think I am poor, so much as fiscally challenged.

insane_alien
January 18th, 2008, 10:09 AM
well, i'm shelling out £2500 on a 8 week volunteer work/backpacking trip in the US this summer.guess that would mean i'm not poor( though i will be upon paying for it).

fatality_uk
January 18th, 2008, 10:15 AM
Very glad to say Im loaded! :D (NOTE: Note Mr. Shuttleworth loaded, but getting there)
I use Linux because of the main reasons a lot do. Security, ease of use, adaptability, etc etc..

kvonb
January 18th, 2008, 10:34 AM
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Sef
January 18th, 2008, 10:46 AM
isn't it great that linux is the OS for the poor? while it can still cater to the elite, the rich and the middle class?

Yes it is great to legally use an operating sytem, no matter what your financial circumstances are. The idea of the GPL is capitalism at its best.

stoodleysnow
January 18th, 2008, 11:05 AM
No one who has the freedom of choice and ability to share, and friends like these to share everything, good or bad with; can ever see themselves as poor.
The best things in life are free, and it is those free things in life that are your fortune. (S)He who shares something that starts out little among many isthe richest person alive. (S)He who shares nothing and keeps it all has nothing.

--------------
When like Yoda I speak, wise I may not be, but funny, try to be I can:)
And miserably I fail to such comedy achieve.:(

stoodleysnow
January 18th, 2008, 11:08 AM
"So by my own logic, you only have what you share"
he said, waxing philosophical

Then he wondered why he was suddenly referring to himself in the third person ;-)

mrazster
January 18th, 2008, 11:53 AM
Well...I wouldn't say I'm loaded...but I do have enough to not have to worry. I have food on my table, I can make trips and have fun with my friends, I can buy the toys I want/need:) ....and I don't have to think twice on every penny I spend.

But this has nothing to do with my chooise of OS.....just because I can..I don't have to spend my money on stupid things...when I can have just a s fun without having to pay for it.

blueturtl
January 18th, 2008, 02:37 PM
I'm not poor. I'm exactly one Windows Vista + Microsoft Office license wealthier than Windows users. And that's just every few years / per each machine I use. That's quite a bit of wealth that is now available to spend on other things, such as special applications or native games. Hellooo? Any big company is free to pick up this info. :)

el_ricardo
January 18th, 2008, 02:40 PM
i'm a poor student, this is not why i use linux though....

Circus-Killer
January 18th, 2008, 02:46 PM
like most things in the linux world, this depends on the user. :p

but i would have to say 'no'. obviously there are some users who are, but for the most part it is a bad generalisation. in fact i would say less people are poor than comfortable as far as linux goes.

first of all, most people using linux are in the computer industry and make a 'decent' living. another point to think about is, how poor is poor. in my country poor means living in a tin shack with 20 family members with no water or electricity.i assure you those poor people dont have a pc nevermind run linux. so i would say if you running linux, you have a pc, so you cant be that bad off.

lastly, i personally bought vista which costed me a fortune. of course i dont actually use it. but i was planning to at one stage, but i just dont like it. i dont use linux cos its free as in free beer. i use it cos its free as in freedom. i like the idea that everyone can look at the code. and the idea that i know that nobody is spying out my activities. also like the idea i have control on my system.

so my answer, no, just because a user uses linux does not mean they are poor. hell, i dont think the dude from dell who uses ubuntu is short of cash. the most money hungry people use linux, as do the not so privileged. i would have to say that linux is one of the few things that is for people from all walks of life.

alexzzz
January 18th, 2008, 02:52 PM
I am not poor for sure.
I don't pay for genuine windows either but i choose linux. My computer can run Vista but i choose Ubuntu.

dgray_from_dc
January 18th, 2008, 02:57 PM
I grew up in Southeast DC, the worst part of town. I now live in a DC suburb with a house, a few cars, a beautiful wife & daughter, and a job with the Gov't making $80k+. I use Linux because it works ... reliably. It does what I need it to do, and allows me to choose unlike Windows. I'm not poor, I'm just smart.

tuebinger
January 18th, 2008, 03:05 PM
I'm not rich and not poor,I'm comfortable. I could easily afford Windoze and/or OSX and have used both for many years (the last five mostly OSX)

What brought me over to the ubuntu/linux side is the superiority of the software over OSX and Windoze. It's not a money issue for me, but a stability and usability issue (of course it's always in the back of my mind that linux is free, which is a nice side-benefit!)

jharadie
January 18th, 2008, 04:35 PM
wow right on good sir convert as many as you can to our cause and i hope you live long and prosper:KS [anybody who has known spock knows where that came from]

Thank you! I hope I do live preposterously long! :biggrin:

My fave Spock saying, one that I use not only in using Linux but also a lot in my daily life: If you can't find out where it is, find out where it isn't. How true, how true. :)

Black Mage
January 18th, 2008, 05:25 PM
I'm not poor because I don't give my money to Microsoft for buggy software, therefore I am rich :).

alien53
January 18th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Linux users like Google? I think not! Some are poor, some are angry with the alternatives, some enjoy the collaborative experience, ...

lswest
January 18th, 2008, 06:18 PM
well, i'm 16 and as such don't really have all that much money available, but i do have an 800€ laptop (don't ask me what that is in US dollars, i don't know) which came with vista, but i just generally like using linux more, as i have more freedom, coding in any programming language, except maybe web design stuff, is easier, i love the terminal, all the free software at your fingertips, the speed (my laptop is rather new-ish and is an HP DV6545EG if you're wondering) and i just really like the freedom i get through linux, or specifically, Ubuntu. Windows (in my opinion) is only good for games...and even vista doesnt do that well XD
actually, as soon as wine is more reliable for games in linux, i'll probably ditch vista for good. However, if i had the money, i still wouldn't buy a mac (i hate the "user-friendliness" which severely limits any kind of administration) nor would i use the money to buy vista/XP (well, i have an XP license from my school XD) and vista i just don't see as worth buying...too many bugs, unreasonable requirements (min requirement is 1GB RAM, but blue screens, i have 2GB and havent seen it crash once, however, i do disable half of the stuff that makes vista, vista:P) and well, Linux is definately the most stable, and the only problems i have with it is the lack of webcam support in pidgin (which is coming) and the lack of support for games(wine just really doesnt cut it). And a few minor things like the kind of kiddy look openoffice has for it's buttons, or the fact that the sound card can't be used by 2 programs at once. However, i have converted a few of my friends to linux users, and they're happy with it. Definately better than windows or mac in my opinion, as you don't need to spend money to test it^^

thanks for reading this long post:P
lswest

kvonb
January 18th, 2008, 06:37 PM
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Ultra Magnus
January 18th, 2008, 08:07 PM
Not anymore - No Longer a student and now I have a job - but seriously money isn't everything

walkerk
January 18th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Broke? Actually the complete opposite... Linux is a preference, not the only option... Of course my wife will never let go of her beloved Vista :/

Perpetual
January 18th, 2008, 09:08 PM
In the eyes of Clinton, Gore, Kerry and some others I am far from poor. That's a ridiculous statement.

Is Shuttleworth poor?

jeffus_il
January 18th, 2008, 09:10 PM
It's almost as ridiculous as asking if Linux users are fat!!!

aysiu
January 18th, 2008, 09:12 PM
In my experience, even people who are extremely rich can still appreciate a good deal price-wise. In fact, some of them can be quite thrifty/stingy.

karhulitos
January 18th, 2008, 10:13 PM
I'm 40, a standard finnish man with, I guess, an average income and an average overweigth, heh. No way would I rate myself as poor.

At work the openness has been a long talked thing which I quite haven't seen in full force yet. 2 years ago my motive was first to try an 'open OS'. The local paper happened to have an article about Ubuntu just then -> test OS was selected.
I was thinking that when the open stuff really hits my work environment, I'd be more familiar with linux.

The "test" has just prolonged as I got all from Ubuntu I needed. Well, almost all. A video editor for home user is still missing which has the characteristics of being simple, reliable and powerful. I did manage to do the video, but the time I could have used to being "a home video director" went to being a pc support person installing various video editors and testing them out.
Otherwise the broadness of tools and software freely available really surprised me. I will not switch from Ubuntu to any other OS at least during the time the community support continues to be such good service for me.

Unfortunately I also have a WinXP sticker here at the bottom. I guess XP was max. 50€ out of the 600€ this box cost 1½ years ago so I'm not so worried about that. I definetively will try to seek OS-less laptop next time If I just can find it in this Microsoft friendly country.

BTW, Bill G promised our prime minister some MS service (can't recall what was it) for free for educational instititutions. Is Bill afraid the public sector starts to shift towards open systems? Later on those kids with Linuxes at schools will run the businesses too..

zipperback
January 18th, 2008, 10:15 PM
"Computer speakers"? ;)

Technically, yes. I have my computer hooked up to the receiver you see on the left.

NICE! :)

- zipperback
:popcorn:
:guitar:

aysiu
January 18th, 2008, 10:41 PM
Are people who pirate Windows poor?

snakeeyes
January 18th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Are people who pirate Windows poor?
Excellent point!

I can't believe people think we r poor, they probably get that idea cause Linux is open source and free.

HermanAB
January 18th, 2008, 11:13 PM
I always pity the poor Windows users...

original_jamingrit
January 18th, 2008, 11:18 PM
I have a licensed copy of windows xp in my desk somewhere.

I do not have windows installed.

I pity the fool that treats GNU/Linux like a toy OS.

dimbulb1024
January 18th, 2008, 11:19 PM
For Me:
Dollar: yes
Friend and Family: No - and I don't care what you say, this is all that matters in life!

Lster
January 18th, 2008, 11:32 PM
I'm no where near poor... or rich... ;)

Redrazor39
January 19th, 2008, 12:25 AM
I'm not poor- my mom is a doctor. We're not greedy or anything; we give charity and help others a lot. I just dual booted our laptop Vista and Ubuntu because Ubuntu seemed really cool and it doesn't hog resources. I was surprised to see it LITERALLY uses 1/6 of the resources Vista does o_O

but Ubuntu is awesome. I'm just trying to get flash to work in firefox now so I can watch youtube vids... >.<

ryanVickers
January 19th, 2008, 12:27 AM
people cannot assume that we use it just because its free - I could easily afford a copy or 10 of XP, but I choose Linux because it is superior!

popch
January 19th, 2008, 12:43 AM
In the city where I live there is a saying: It's from rich people that you learn how to save money.

Indeed, rich people do not spend money where they can help it. Formerly rich people did.

quinnten83
January 19th, 2008, 01:00 AM
I'm not poor- my mom is a doctor. We're not greedy or anything; we give charity and help others a lot. I just dual booted our laptop Vista and Ubuntu because Ubuntu seemed really cool and it doesn't hog resources. I was surprised to see it LITERALLY uses 1/6 of the resources Vista does o_O

but Ubuntu is awesome. I'm just trying to get flash to work in firefox now so I can watch youtube vids... >.<

thepackage in the repos is broken.
download it from the adobe site,untar it, change the permissions and run the install script.
googefor theinstructions as i don't remember the from the top of my head(yet).

jcwmoore
January 19th, 2008, 01:25 AM
poor college student.... but using linux is not a result of this. I will keep using ubuntu after I graduate when i am making money as a programmer. I think i'll buy and nice TV rather than Vista and MS Office....

lisati
January 19th, 2008, 01:38 AM
Is that true ? :popcorn:


Being poor or rich doesn't have so much to do with money as many people think......
Linux isn't specifically designed for the "poor", it's designed, maintained and developed by people with a different mind-set to "big business"
Having lots of money often has more to do with greed than with "being a nice person"

harold4
January 19th, 2008, 01:38 AM
Running Linux has absolutely nothing to do w/ my income.

Example: I was running KTorrent and ran into a private torrent file and couldn't change the tracker. Grabbed the source and recompiled with the ability to change trackers on private torrents.

Being able to change any and everything on your system is why I run Linux.

walmartshopper67
January 19th, 2008, 02:08 AM
I'm not poor, i'm "po", i can't even afford the 'o' and the 'r', i'm just "po".


But I don't think most people use Linux because it's free - that wouldn't make sense when pretty much everyone buys computers that come with Windows on it to begin with, then we just put Linux on it. So most have windows already, we just don't like it.

Besides that, there's nothing wrong with being poor - or "po", it all depends on what you consider "broke".;)

Dark Seraphim
January 19th, 2008, 03:15 AM
poor in money rich in taste.

Espreon
January 19th, 2008, 05:31 AM
Hehe interesting =)

In my case I use linux because I want to evolve

Windows Fanboys = Homo MSapiens

Yeah we all evolved when we switched to Linux.

For the topic:

I am not poor

linuxer101
January 19th, 2008, 06:19 AM
linux users are educated, smart and knowledge. and if you have all that ur most then likely rich.

zetetic
January 19th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Are people who pirate Windows poor?

Excellent point. In one simple phrase one of the best posts I have seen here.

zetetic
January 19th, 2008, 06:58 AM
if i was poor i wouldn't have 3 computers
if i was poor i wouldn't have a 5mbps internet connection
if i was poor i wouldn't have much clothing, heating, air conditioning, food, or water
if i was poor i wouldn't know what linux is
if i was poor i wouldn't be able to look at this thread via the internet using a computer that runs on electricity
if i was poor i wouldn't be wasting my time explaining that i am not poor to some ignorant window using fool

to answer your question, NO linux users aren't poor, they are rich smart and happy people, whereas windows users are stupid, poor and freedomless

seriously what is the point of this thread anyone who can read it obviously isnt poor because they have electricity, a computer, and the internet, and probably and apartment or house as well

Great post... Sometimes we forget what being poor really means...

misfitpierce
January 19th, 2008, 06:59 AM
I'm not poor. I can afford Vista and so on if thats what this infers. I choose linux because it feels and runs better. Simple and plain.

money2themax
January 19th, 2008, 07:10 AM
linux users are educated, smart and knowledge. and if you have all that ur most then likely rich.
the first part a sorta agree with but i'd change it to they want to learn and grow in their knowledge and the last part isn't true have you watched the news rapper, celebrities, and Sports Stars make a tone of money and quite frankly they aren't always the smartest cookie in the box.

elainevdw
January 19th, 2008, 07:20 AM
While Linux is the most frugal choice in OSes, I bet that at least 75% of users use it for other reasons -- they believe it's superior, they like learning new things, they want to support the OpenSource community. The fact that it's free merely simplifies the decision.

In my personal world, though, I still notice that most of my budget-minded acquaintances, when deciding on computers, don't even know that Linux is an option. If they're looking for "free," they end up with a crappy old hand-me-down Windows system that barely works. All of the Linux-heads I know are programmer or IT types, many of whom already have multiple computers with various OSes installed (so, they're not really "poor" as much as they are tinkerers).

It's an interesting question though. "Poor" has so many connotations. "Frugal" is a much better word, and an attribute that everyone should have regardless of financial status.

EdThaSlayer
January 19th, 2008, 07:27 AM
I'm not really poor and not too rich. If you think about it, we are all rich in some way compared to the 3rd world. :)
I'm happy to be rich then. :KS

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 07:34 AM
someone should lock this thread it has been ended completely, if you have a computer internet and electricity that means you live somewhere in a house or apartment so you are obviously not poor

money2themax
January 19th, 2008, 07:40 AM
someone should lock this thread it has been ended completely, if you have a computer internet and electricity that means you live somewhere in a house or apartment so you are obviously not poor
naa... I like it I think this is an interesting thread.

The thread must go on!:lolflag:

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 07:41 AM
well, whatever floats your boat.
also i noticed you actually clicked the link to my tut :)
EDIT: but it is a pointless thread at this point

money2themax
January 19th, 2008, 07:43 AM
well, whatever floats your boat.
also i noticed you actually clicked the link to my tut :)
of course it's actually just what i was looking for very well thought out:KS

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 07:44 AM
of course it's actually just what i was looking for very well thought out:KS

you didnt post a reply so i dont know what part you appreciated

money2themax
January 19th, 2008, 07:49 AM
you didnt post a reply so i dont know what part you appreciated
the whole thing though it should be extended i feel like that was missing something like more commands...in retrospect i probably should post this on that thread shouldn't I?

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 08:13 AM
the whole thing though it should be extended i feel like that was missing something like more commands...in retrospect i probably should post this on that thread shouldn't I?

yes you should, and also, i dont want to many commands, becuz noobs will see the link, click it thinking it will be a nice way to learn the terminal, and if there is too much there they will not learn anything, so i kept it to as few commonly used commands as i could, however when i see things that are being used a lot and ppl dont know what it is i tend to go and add it to the list

money2themax
January 19th, 2008, 08:15 AM
yes you should, and also, i dont want to many commands, becuz noobs will see the link, click it thinking it will be a nice way to learn the terminal, and if there is too much there they will not learn anything, so i kept it to as few commonly used commands as i could, however when i see things that are being used a lot and ppl dont know what it is i tend to go and add it to the list
well at least your thinking am I right

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 08:21 AM
well at least your thinking am I right

and what do you mean by that

money2themax
January 19th, 2008, 08:25 AM
and what do you mean by that
nothing bad or demeaning i meant to imply that you were looking ahead at problems that could have arisen if it was too long sry for the misunderstanding

sandwormblues
January 19th, 2008, 08:27 AM
Linux is the best and safest way to go. I just serviced a Windows notebook for malware. part of the trojan software included a bios flashing program, an optical drive firmware scrambler, and a hard disk head-crash algorithm.

Frankly, it terrifies me to imagine that any branch of government or military would use Windows.

money2themax
January 19th, 2008, 08:31 AM
Linux is the best and safest way to go. I just serviced a Windows notebook for malware. part of the trojan software included a bios flashing program, an optical drive firmware scrambler, and a hard disk head-crash algorithm.

Frankly, it terrifies me to imagine that any branch of government or military would use Windows.
the department of defense uses Linux but what distro I have no idea

and the Trojan sounds nasty

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 08:32 AM
nothing bad or demeaning i meant to imply that you were looking ahead at problems that could have arisen if it was too long sry for the misunderstanding

i didnt take it as bad or demeaning i was just wondering what you meant by it cuz it confused me

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 08:34 AM
the department of defense uses Linux but what distro I have no idea

and the Trojan sounds nasty

i would think that they have programmers on the inside that modified an already existing distro so that it would be more secure, if they were using an official distro from a company based in germany or something we would have a bit of a problem

linuxer101
January 19th, 2008, 08:49 AM
linux users are educated, smart and knowledge. and if you have all that ur most then likely rich.

excuse my grammar it should be

linux users are educated, smart and knowledgable, and if you have all that, u have a higher chance of being rich. as in the linux user pool(community), the educated users ratio, etc is higher than most other os pools. which also means higher chance of wealthy users.


so to the original poster you got it twisted. because the people who use linux have traits that are attractive for success(willing to learn, smart etc.)

wolfen69
January 19th, 2008, 09:12 AM
proof?

wolfen69
January 19th, 2008, 09:13 AM
does it mattter in the end?

Cresho
January 19th, 2008, 09:26 AM
to answer your question, NO linux users aren't poor, they are rich smart and happy people, whereas windows users are stupid, poor and freedomless

I second this!

Praadur
January 19th, 2008, 10:12 AM
Well, I admit that I'm poor. At least, I'm poor when speaking mainly of materialistic monetary matters, but I am (as they say) rich in spirit! I'm definitely on the lower rung of the class heirarchy, not even managing to meet middle class. To be honest though, in today's all too ethically-bankrupt society, I'm not sure I'd want to be anywhere else.

So I'm poor, oddly proud of it, and I use Linux (which is a given, but said just for the sake of making the statement).

geekygirl
January 19th, 2008, 11:16 AM
not poor - if by that you are talking about all things financial then I don't have to worry about cash flow then...I work and get well paid

as for using Linux...I might not be poor but I love a good bargain and can spot great value at a mile off ;)

Kadrus
January 19th, 2008, 11:19 AM
mm..Linux users?Don't know about that..but Open Source Programmers aren't rich:p..that's for sure..but Linux users will always be happy :):)..no matter what

Saint Angeles
January 19th, 2008, 11:36 AM
im not exactly "poor" but if i shelled out the $250+ for an OS... I would not have as much money.

seems to me that we're richer having saved money by using this superior OS.

dustman
January 19th, 2008, 11:49 AM
i have a license for windows XP, one for Vista RTM, and still use ubuntu. Maybe it's just me, but i don't think that using ubuntu categorizes you as poor, in this case what OS you use it's just a matter of taste. I could afford buying a new computer, but since i have no need of a huge quad core with 5 gigs of ram and a 200$ video card, i don't see why to buy it. eclipse, tomcat and mysql work fine on my laptop ;).

ryanVickers
January 19th, 2008, 05:08 PM
"Computer speakers"? ;)
Technically, yes. I have my computer hooked up to the receiver you see on the left.

regardless of what kind they are, are you sure you should have huge speakers (magnets) next to your monitors??? :confused:

popch
January 19th, 2008, 05:32 PM
...huge speakers (magnets) next to your monitors

Magnets ruin CRT monitors. These are LCD ones. No problem.

ryanVickers
January 19th, 2008, 05:38 PM
yeah. I know they were LCD's but I thought they would be effected too... never knew that! :p

I thought they just ruin everything... :rolleyes:

kodak
January 19th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Linux users are poor ?

Is that true ?

:) What type of question is that?

fatality_uk
January 19th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Well seeing as my wife has just come back from a shopping trip ALL day with friends. I am not longer loaded and might well have to sell a kidney to pay for her to fill up the 5TH wardrobe in our house.

Ok, any takers here first before I whack it on eBay under the body parts section? Slightly used, had a few beers in my time ;)

Perpetual
January 19th, 2008, 06:30 PM
Hah. In therory, I am US middle-middle class. In reality, I have a wife and two daughters. Me personally, I am broke and have 2 USD's in my billfold. My wife and daughters however seem to be doing quite fine. :)

popch
January 19th, 2008, 06:43 PM
Well seeing as my wife has just come back from a shopping trip ALL day with friends. I am not longer loaded and might well have to sell a kidney to pay for her to fill up the 5TH wardrobe in our house.

Ok, any takers here first before I whack it on eBay under the body parts section? Slightly used, had a few beers in my time ;)

Beer is probably beneficial for kidneys seeing how it makes them work more. Mind your liver, though.

orange2k
January 19th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Not poor, just smug...:lolflag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smug_Alert!

imon9
January 19th, 2008, 06:56 PM
i'm a bimbo now, but graduating on medic school in 5 month time.... i guess i wont be bimbo for long :p

i choose linux coz i hate ppl breathing down my neck about Windows, that **** make me reformat every like every year, not upgrade, just reformat coz junk pile up like sewage...

my laptop came with XP, and this new one with vista, but i use linux exclusively....(i believe most of us has pre-loaded windows)

so, i short, it is not becoz we are poor that we use linux... it is obvious we'd use it anyhow (since i have both windows lisences)

and linux ppl definately is smart & sharp..coz i am smart and sharp... :D we dare to be different and try out new things, take on more skill... we are not stagnant

antisocialist
January 19th, 2008, 07:00 PM
:) What type of question is that?

a stupid question asked by a stupid & ignorant window using fool, like i have stated before in one of my posts on this topic

frankos44
January 20th, 2008, 09:45 AM
10 reasons not to use windows:

1. Unstable

2. One program effects another that was previously working.

3. They slow down over a period of time.

4. Microsoft is totally insecure and always will be by the nature of how it works.

5. Microsoft charge extortionate amounts of money for each of their products weather you are poor or rich.

6. Just to add insult to injury, You then have to purchase even more software to keep Microsoft Software running.. Thats Bizzare!

7. The simplest programs are huge in size. why?

8. Microsoft assume that everybody is an idiot.. mind you 90% seem to be in the USA from what ive seen.

9. They have grown in size and become greedy with it.

10. I just can rely on it.

All I want is something that works, dosent crash or require continue re-boots or force you into paying for updates.

This is what finally made me drop windows completely:

1. I supplied a new PC to a customer with 1 year G'Tee.
2. The mainboard went faulty 2 months later.
3. I got a replacment from the supplier FOC.
4. Microsoft told me that the license for Win XP oem dies with the mainboard.
5. I had to purchase at my expense another copy of XP and supply to customer FOC despite me explaining the situation. I officially complained about this but no exception was made.

This is nothing more that extortion and I refuse to supply windows to anyone now.

Its not rich or poor decision.. Microsoft can get stuffed!

kvonb
January 20th, 2008, 10:19 AM
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shadyedsan
January 20th, 2008, 10:26 AM
i wouldn't say i'm poor. the reason i use linux is mainly because it is (in my experience) a more stable system altogether. plus i refuse to pay a large corporate company to provide me with software which is poorly designed and gives me more hassle than i really want. i switched to linux not because it's free of charge, but because it is a much better system and of course, the community is fantastic, especially the ubuntu community.

so to draw a long answer short, no i don't think linux users are poor. finer things in life are indeed sometimes free :)

frankos44
January 20th, 2008, 10:27 AM
How many times have you been stuck in the middle of knowhere working late for microsoft free of charge,,, Damm im annoyed even thinking about it now haha

duglambier
January 20th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Linux users are not poor. They just don't want to pay something for Linux as they think everything must be free. They prefer buying stuff for Windows and then try to emulate them on Linux.

Ubuntu Users, as Debian users, are just Windows buyers that want everything for free and hate Microsoft.

Howevern SuSE, Redhat, Lindows and Wandros users are more "business oriented" and are happy to buy stuff for Linux.

That's why small or obsolete Laptops are delivered with Ubuntu (with no serious support) and business computers or Laptops are delivered with SuSE or Redhat

DownTown22
January 20th, 2008, 03:08 PM
Poor? Far from it...

So, no...just cheap.

quinnten83
January 20th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Linux users are not poor. They just don't want to pay something for Linux as they think everything must be free. They prefer buying stuff for Windows and then try to emulate them on Linux.

Ubuntu Users, as Debian users, are just Windows buyers that want everything for free and hate Microsoft.

Howevern SuSE, Redhat, Lindows and Wandros users are more "business oriented" and are happy to buy stuff for Linux.

That's why small or obsolete Laptops are delivered with Ubuntu (with no serious support) and business computers or Laptops are delivered with SuSE or Redhat

Do I smell flamebait???
Why yes,it is flamebait,yum my fav!
yeah, those are the distro's that sold their soul to the devil, right??
Well, not red hat..
anyhoo, given how much windows copies from linux or other OSS software (FF-->IE7, linux-->vista permisions in order to perform tasks), this becomes a chicken or egg discussion.
I think the chicken came first and the chicken is linux as it is based of Unix and Unix was there first.....

Soooo.. bleh!!!(/me sticks tongue out)

Perpetual
January 20th, 2008, 03:42 PM
8. Microsoft assume that everybody is an idiot.. mind you 90% seem to be in the USA from what ive seen.

Seems a bit off topic and an invalid generalization.

desperado315
January 20th, 2008, 03:55 PM
I'm not. I use ubuntu bcoz its more beautiful than Windows. I wouldnt spent for over 100 and get such those things like Virus Worm Trojan etc. I have a computer that would runs perfectly with Vista, but Vista is suck. So I still use Ubuntu and love it

hirou
January 20th, 2008, 05:03 PM
Linux users aren't necessarily poor, they just don't like the idea of paying for an OS that invites malicious ware. What's the point?

ellis rowell
January 20th, 2008, 05:07 PM
Saying "Are Linux users poor" is like saying "Are cyclists poor"

I am a member of The Cyclists' Touring Club (UK) and the majority of members have motor cars or motorcycles but prefer to see the countryside they travel through, stop and chat to the locals and take photographs. They, like Linux users, prefer it.

Our local website is maintained by me with the aid of a Ubuntu system :- http://www.ctc-cambridge.org.uk

steveneddy
January 20th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Poor is what respect?

Monetary reasons could classify some of us as poor, but not needy. Just because I can't afford a new laptop this year doesn't make me poor. I spend over two grand on a new lappie last year and it still runs well on Ubuntu. It has never had Windows installed on it and is the pride of my Linux stable of PC's. We live very comfortably in a three bedroom home with a two car garage and all of the modern accommodations. We have DSL Elite package from AT&T and all of the Satellite channels. No extra money at times, but not monetarily poor.

Poor in regards to close friends. I may qualify with that assumption because since my daughter moved back home with her son, many "friends" stopped coming around.

I am poor in regards to personal transportation because I only have a 2002 Chevy P/U and a 1990 Honda Accord. I would like the new Tundra that my brother bought last week. Sweet.

So, really, in what regards are you using the "poor" generalization?

:popcorn:

antisocialist
January 20th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Poor is what respect?

So, really, in what regards are you using the "poor" generalization?

:popcorn:

he is using the poor generalization because he knows that those of us who are able to read this question are on a computer, that uses electricity, and is connected to the internet, from inside our home or apartment making us not poor

he is using the poor generalization because he is an ignorant windows-using fool

antisocialist
January 20th, 2008, 05:45 PM
That's why small or obsolete Laptops are delivered with Ubuntu (with no serious support)

wow you are an ignorant flamebaiter

WTH do you call the forums that you posted this on? "basic random uselessness" or maybe "random talking about random things" no no no its got to be "absolutely pointless and thats why I waste my time here"

seriously WTF do you mean by no support, you can post a question here and you will get an answer 99% of the time within 30 minutes

Omnios
January 20th, 2008, 05:58 PM
K I do not like to think of this but I am on a disability and there for have a limited income. I get my prescription meds payed for, Luckily for me my rent subadised (not every one on disability gets this its from a agency). Dental which does not cover everything but better than nothing. Thinking of the bottom line this kind of makes me poor as being on ODSP Ontario Disability Supports Program has been quoted as living on the border line of poverty.

Anyways though there is open source for win I found that Linux and OS really opened doors for me. I have played around with OS for a while now and have been able to play with things that would have been out of my financial limitations. Also there is free ware in Windows but I prefer to call it FragWare as that is what it can do to a windows system.

Best thing about Ubuntu Linux is I am getting an education in computers that money can not buy. I am actually getting to the point where I can figure stuff out stuff on my own which is way past windows training.

rafeg
January 20th, 2008, 06:20 PM
When I think of the money I've spent on Windows and associated software I feel a bit sick!! I can't be so poor. My Windows installation has recently crashed yet again and I'm faced with shovelling yet more cash down Microsoft's gullet! No sir, not this time. I installed gutsy a few months ago just to try Linux and have been very satisfied so far. Windows problems have just made up my mind for me to abandon MS for good. I still have a few things to sort out with Ubuntu but overall its great and a refreshing change of direction. No I'm not poor or I'd never have had Windows in the first place but they've had all the money they're ever going to get from me.

ÜbuntuMensch
January 20th, 2008, 08:37 PM
My income is below the poverty line, but, yeah, I have a place to live and broadband and time enough to spend on a personal computer, so...hard to feel poor.

with more $$, I would likely buy better hardware, but certainly would not go back to Windows. $$ did keep me away from Mac.

steveneddy
January 20th, 2008, 09:26 PM
That's why small or obsolete Laptops are delivered with Ubuntu (with no serious support) and business computers or Laptops are delivered with SuSE or Redhat

I have a modern laptop. Core 2 Duo, 2 Gig RAM, DVD, USB, wireless, firewire, 10/100/1000 ethernet, sound, bluetooth, mic input and onboard mic. All work and the support has been better than anything I ever received with Windows.

You are poor in the fact that you are not knowledgeable about computers and have no knowledge of the Ubuntu way.

These forums, used correctly, will solve more than just Ubuntu problems.

Lack of education does not a valid opinion make.

EDIT:

I use Gutsy 64 bit Ubuntu, BTW.

My boss uses a new Vista laptop (Sony VAIO) at work and I use my Ubuntu laptop. We have the same processor and amounts of RAM and he gets less work out of his laptop
due to restarts and crashing. His lappie takes 15 minutes to boot and almost 20 to shut down.

Mine starts up to log in screen (GDM) around 50 seconds or less and shutdown is 12 seconds.

Ubuntu rocks. Sorry you have had a bad experience.

imon9
January 20th, 2008, 10:13 PM
OS are like sex,

linux is sex with ur gf :) (not the easiest to handle..but definately the most interesting one)

windows is like prostitute

OSX is a mistress... definately cost u more :)

i'll stick to linux

mr.farenheit
January 20th, 2008, 10:19 PM
who the hell said that? i've never had a problem with money and i use linux over everything else. just because linux is free doesn't mean its users are poor. its not an OS that you buy with food stamps. it comes down to whos using it and why. i find it lame to spend vast amounts of money buying an OS that pretty much does everything for you when in the end you could just be too cheap as to pay attention and learn how to make the OS do what you want it to by yourself.

oldb0y
January 20th, 2008, 10:20 PM
Yeah! I'm really poor, so I use linux...:lolflag:
What kind of stupid thread is this anyway?

theophiles
January 20th, 2008, 11:47 PM
Of course, being poor is a relative term. I make a very good income, but my fiance and I came from families both of which were often living below the poverty line. We are very well educated (I have a PhD) but we have the attendant debt of high educations and no family financial support. Because of that debt, we cannot live the lifestyle of others with our income.

We both own cars. Both the cars are more than 20 years old, but they run. We rent but do not own a house on two acres. We can go out to eat once a week, usually not anywhere nice, but we can probably afford something in the Applebee's or Olive Garden range a few times a year. We have satellite television and 2.5 televisions on which to watch it (this computer is .5) None of them are HD. Are we poor? Well if you take our assets and subtract our liabilities we are several years' wages in debt. But we get along just fine.

We also own several computers, all but one of which came with Windows on them, but I take windows off because I prefer Ubuntu. I do not use Ubuntu because I cannot afford Windows. I use Ubuntu because I prefer it, mostly for political reasons.

I am not sure what poor is, but my motives for using Ubuntu are not financial.

ryanVickers
January 21st, 2008, 12:05 AM
I think the question should be here "Linux users use Linux because it's free (and that's the only reason)?"

still silly, but it's more accurate I believe...

Master-of-None
January 21st, 2008, 12:14 AM
I'm not poor, I'm cheap :lolflag:

Actually, I used to use Windows, and my laptop came installed with Vista, so I'm definitly not poor. I just grew tired of countless hours of work lost to Windows Crashes. It happened too often for me.

money2themax
January 21st, 2008, 12:34 AM
Linux users are not poor. They just don't want to pay something for Linux as they think everything must be free. They prefer buying stuff for Windows and then try to emulate them on Linux.

Ubuntu Users, as Debian users, are just Windows buyers that want everything for free and hate Microsoft.

Howevern SuSE, Redhat, Lindows and Wandros users are more "business oriented" and are happy to buy stuff for Linux.

That's why small or obsolete Laptops are delivered with Ubuntu (with no serious support) and business computers or Laptops are delivered with SuSE or Redhat
you do realize that Redhat and SuSE offer their OS free with minor support plus a forum like this one

isecore
January 21st, 2008, 01:06 AM
Is that true ? :popcorn:

No. It's a complete generalization.

I have plenty enough of money. I'm not stinkin' rich, but I can afford most of the things I want and need, live in a nice apartment, have some nice things. But poor? Nope.

My choice of running Linux has more to do with philosophy and ethics.

perbiu
January 21st, 2008, 02:13 AM
The poor would prefer or resorted to Pirated softwares?

oldb0y
January 21st, 2008, 02:54 AM
Those who are really poor, don't even have a computer...

Lostincyberspace
January 21st, 2008, 04:28 AM
I am poor I have no money period don't have a job.... you name it and I am poor.

mmxbass
January 21st, 2008, 04:47 AM
Two words: Michael Dell.

glotz
January 21st, 2008, 04:48 AM
Yes, it is true.

ALL LINUX USERS ARE POOR.

Just like all black men play basketball.

rybaxs
January 21st, 2008, 04:54 AM
the best answer of this is 'maybe' i love UBUNTU terminal using windows. hehehe :lolflag:

tad1073
January 21st, 2008, 05:01 AM
I'm so poor that I can't even pay attention lol

I am unemployed, live with my parents, don't have a drivers license but things could be much worse.

sofasurfer
January 21st, 2008, 05:09 AM
I use Linux because its interesting, challenging, free and it is the morally correct thing to do.

"What the heck does that mean?" you are surely asking.

The world is in the shape its in, precisely because everyday people depend on the powers that be, no matter what the cost. They tax us to death to pay for wars, feeding nations that don't care enough to feed themselves, services for the "public good" and a multitude of other excuses, all of which offer no service or product to you or me.

We let our employers eliminate jobs to get out of debt and then when they say they are now in more debt we sit back and watch them eliminate more jobs while at the same time they are raising the price of their products, which we run out and buy, after which they say they are farther in debt because of the cost of implimenting new cost cutting proceedures.

We buy food that has enough preseratives and chemicals to make it last 15 years in the cupboard and we can't figure out why every one of us knows 30 people with ADHD, cancer, diabetes, arthitis, deformed babies and pets with diseases that didn't exist 20 years ago.

Products prices are calculated scientifically to attract the most buyers while having the ability to suck every spare nickel out of them. Then when there are sales, such as the pre and pro Christmas sales, prices are marked down 70 percent and we flock to the stores and buy whatever is on sale JUST BECAUSE ITS ON SALE, and even at 70 percent off the companies are making money hand over fist.

The electronic companies are the worst culprits. It cost a few bucks at the most to produce most electronis components. What did you pay for your processor? $50, $150, $250 or more. What about memory, cards, dvd/cd burners, printers, Ipods, laptops, cellphones. All plastic crap. All extremely over priced.

And now onto the software. Common software packages produced by the millions with no labor cost after the initial development, and still costing $30, $50, $80. Operating systems which cost a weeks pay at the minimum and specialty sofware that can run into the thousands of dollars.

Linux may be frustrating the crap out of me but everytime I fire it up I'm slapping Bill gates and all the other tycoons in the world right square across their bloated little faces.

The concept of people gathering together to produce free benifits for everyone is the greatest resource we have. And those that do not use it deserve to not know why we do.

Thank you. I'll take my criticism off the air.

rosegarden78
January 21st, 2008, 05:24 AM
Is that true ? :popcorn:

You may be onto something however a penny saved is a penny earned. And the content of man's emotion is a more decisive driving force than the sum total of his education and money, plus the size of his brain!

DjBones
January 21st, 2008, 05:42 AM
well if you generalize,
a good percentage of linux users are techy people, who are probably not making bank.. but certainly not strapped with cash.
other than that though, theres going to be a bell curve of rich/poor users regarless lol

Lostincyberspace
January 21st, 2008, 05:43 AM
I'm so poor that I can't even pay attention lol

I am unemployed, live with my parents, don't have a drivers license but things could be much worse.
hah got you beat, I'm sick (cold) and injured (pulled superior gemellus) too.

cartisdm
January 21st, 2008, 06:16 AM
I'm poor but that's cuz I'm a college student lol

guren
January 21st, 2008, 06:20 AM
If I was poor and I can't do anything.. I'd say...

"What would Mark Shuttleworth do?" :popcorn:

Lord Xeb
January 21st, 2008, 07:03 AM
I just finally got feed up with ****ing with windows in its worthless fatass and dealing with M$...... Personally, i'd rather use linux/mac for everyday stuff and use Windows for gaming and otherstuff linux can't do.

Pekkalainen
January 21st, 2008, 12:11 PM
No I am not poor by any definition. I use GNU/Linux for the freedom, not the price.

isecore
January 21st, 2008, 12:31 PM
I use Linux because its interesting, challenging, free and it is the morally correct thing to do.

"What the heck does that mean?" you are surely asking.

The world is in the shape its in, precisely because everyday people depend on the powers that be, no matter what the cost. They tax us to death to pay for wars, feeding nations that don't care enough to feed themselves, services for the "public good" and a multitude of other excuses, all of which offer no service or product to you or me.

We let our employers eliminate jobs to get out of debt and then when they say they are now in more debt we sit back and watch them eliminate more jobs while at the same time they are raising the price of their products, which we run out and buy, after which they say they are farther in debt because of the cost of implimenting new cost cutting proceedures.

We buy food that has enough preseratives and chemicals to make it last 15 years in the cupboard and we can't figure out why every one of us knows 30 people with ADHD, cancer, diabetes, arthitis, deformed babies and pets with diseases that didn't exist 20 years ago.

Products prices are calculated scientifically to attract the most buyers while having the ability to suck every spare nickel out of them. Then when there are sales, such as the pre and pro Christmas sales, prices are marked down 70 percent and we flock to the stores and buy whatever is on sale JUST BECAUSE ITS ON SALE, and even at 70 percent off the companies are making money hand over fist.

The electronic companies are the worst culprits. It cost a few bucks at the most to produce most electronis components. What did you pay for your processor? $50, $150, $250 or more. What about memory, cards, dvd/cd burners, printers, Ipods, laptops, cellphones. All plastic crap. All extremely over priced.

And now onto the software. Common software packages produced by the millions with no labor cost after the initial development, and still costing $30, $50, $80. Operating systems which cost a weeks pay at the minimum and specialty sofware that can run into the thousands of dollars.

Linux may be frustrating the crap out of me but everytime I fire it up I'm slapping Bill gates and all the other tycoons in the world right square across their bloated little faces.

The concept of people gathering together to produce free benifits for everyone is the greatest resource we have. And those that do not use it deserve to not know why we do.

Thank you. I'll take my criticism off the air.

Man, what a rant! I salute you, good sir.

I agree with most of these sentiments. There's more to Linux than just "free as in beer". It's a grassroots thing, rather than sitting still and expecting some faceless corporation to grace us with software. It's about taking charge of the digital world and doing something for humanity as a whole.

And as for Linux being frustrating... all computers are frustrating at some point. Linux actually frustrates me less than most proprietary options.

mdsmedia
January 21st, 2008, 01:33 PM
Short answer? No. Don't make generalizations based upon nothing.I agree with this. I'm broke, but next week I'll be able to buy Vista....not that I have any intention of doing so.

5 years ago, I dreamed of visiting the US. 2.5 years ago I visited the US and met friends I'd known for 10 years but never met. I'm broke, but I'm not poor. I plan to visit the US again this year. I'm still broke, but I can still afford to travel.

I don't use Linux because of a lack of funds. If I chose to use Windows (I still dual-boot because I have to) I certainly could. I use Linux because it's better. Better value for money, better OS, just better. Whenever I boot into Windows I think what a pig of an OS it is.

I use Linux because it's better...period.

BobSongs
January 21st, 2008, 06:59 PM
It was once said: "We cannot argue until we define our terms." I doubt we'll answer the question because "poor" was never defined.

"Are Linux users rich?" is equally pointless. These terms are relative. Everyone will be viewed as "poor" when compared to Bill Gates. And since he's definitely a Windows user... ipso facto all Linux users are poor.

Solved.

;)

Arwen
January 21st, 2008, 07:05 PM
It was once said: "We cannot argue until we define our terms." I doubt we'll answer the question because "poor" was never defined.

"Are Linux users rich?" is equally pointless. These terms are relative. Everyone will be viewed as "poor" when compared to Bill Gates. And since he's definitely a Windows user... ipso facto all Linux users are poor.

+1 The voice of logic has spoken:-)

klange
January 21st, 2008, 09:14 PM
I just bought a 52" LCD TV. Only reasons for not buying a larger one: 1. It won't fit through the door. 2. The bezel color of the available models is an ugly silver/gray that doesn't go with the furniture in the room.


Tell me, if I were even remotely poor, would I do this?

money2themax
January 22nd, 2008, 01:17 AM
It was once said: "We cannot argue until we define our terms." I doubt we'll answer the question because "poor" was never defined.

"Are Linux users rich?" is equally pointless. These terms are relative. Everyone will be viewed as "poor" when compared to Bill Gates. And since he's definitely a Windows user... ipso facto all Linux users are poor.

Solved.

;)

now i think this thread can be closed

+1:KS

ryanVickers
January 22nd, 2008, 01:19 AM
It was once said: "We cannot argue until we define our terms." I doubt we'll answer the question because "poor" was never defined.

"Are Linux users rich?" is equally pointless. These terms are relative. Everyone will be viewed as "poor" when compared to Bill Gates. And since he's definitely a Windows user... ipso facto all Linux users are poor.

Solved.

"terms" in undefined because there were "too few arguments" ;)

jharadie
January 22nd, 2008, 03:15 AM
The concept of people gathering together to produce free benifits for everyone is the greatest resource we have. And those that do not use it deserve to not know why we do.



THANK YOU! I often print out what I call "quotable quotes" for the fridge or my office or where ever. Your comment will not only be placed in multiple locations, but prominently so!

:) :) :)

johndc
January 22nd, 2008, 03:20 AM
now i think this thread can be closed

+1:KS

This thread probably could have been closed a week ago. Just sayin' is all.

jerrykenny
January 22nd, 2008, 03:51 AM
Poor ! no way, I have my own shoes, and two (count em) TWO white shirts, . . . . . . . some chewed bubble gum, a good long bit of string, and my ol grandaddys britches.

"poor" sheet

Johnsie
January 22nd, 2008, 11:32 AM
My opinion of Linux users:

Poor - Not always
Stingy - That's debatable
Cheap - Yes
Egcentric - Normally
Poltically Motivated - Sometimes
Dellusional - Alot of the time
Misled about the quality of open source software - Yes
Ignorant to Linux's Security Issues - Mostly

dynamethod
January 22nd, 2008, 12:33 PM
Hell yeah im poor, i have to wardrive just to get any net love at all

linuxisfree
January 22nd, 2008, 01:31 PM
Cheapskates? Maybe. Not all of us, though... (although, i know i am). Poor? Not necessarily...

ODF
January 22nd, 2008, 07:02 PM
he is using the poor generalization because he knows that those of us who are able to read this question are on a computer, that uses electricity, and is connected to the internet, from inside our home or apartment making us not poor

he is using the poor generalization because he is an ignorant windows-using fool

I think your name is a perfect match with your personality =)

To me poor is a family with less than 30 000$ incomes by year. But since I'm a french speaking person I surely can't say proprely in english : Personne ayant un revenu modest.

Poor in Canada and specialy into Québec is not horrible, there's no REAL poor like in the US. Poor poeple here can afford computers, electricity and have acces to any gouvernement services like heatlh services wich is totaly free.

:KS

antisocialist
January 22nd, 2008, 10:24 PM
It was once said: "We cannot argue until we define our terms." I doubt we'll answer the question because "poor" was never defined.

"Are Linux users rich?" is equally pointless. These terms are relative. Everyone will be viewed as "poor" when compared to Bill Gates. And since he's definitely a Windows user... ipso facto all Linux users are poor.

Solved.

;)


mark Shuttleworth
Micheal dell

both when compared to bill gates wouldn't be poor, and i am sure that they both use linux
therefore not all linux users are poor, also when you compare linux users to people in third world countries in africa, they are rich, therefore you cant say all linux users are poor, po, or rich

iulianhoratiu
January 22nd, 2008, 10:35 PM
I ain`t poor, but i switched to Ubuntu cuz it`s more secure and works greater then xp .

jerrylamos
January 23rd, 2008, 02:17 AM
I'm retired. I could afford XP and Vista - but I use 3 computers and am not about to buy 3 XP's or 3 Vista's every time a new release comes out.

On Ubuntu, I'm running Feisty, Gutsy, Hardy Alpha 3 and all the computers are at least dual boot. A new release comes out, in early stages like Hardy, every couple weeks. I learn linux by being on the bleeding edge.....

I'm also fed up with the Bill Gates philosophy that they own the XP's and Vista we have, they just sell a license so I can use it if and as long as they deem. Lots of secret proprietary code.

On Linux, the idea is hey, try it, if it's good, share it.

I bought a Compaq Presario last week with Vista Home. Turgid. Ugh. I disconnected it and swapped in a Ubuntu hard drive from another computer. Came right up. Different processor, different screen geometry, different video chip, different mouse, different DVD, .... Ubuntu didn't care, it just ran. Try that with Vista.....

Cheers, Jerry

antisocialist
January 23rd, 2008, 02:25 AM
I think your name is a perfect match with your personality =)darn, nobody was suppose to figure out that there was logic behind my nickname :lolflag:
seriously though did you think i made that my nickname because i am a very social person :lolflag:

Omnios
January 23rd, 2008, 02:46 AM
K this is kind of pointless. I do hot have huge amounts of money and have to do without unless I spend a lot of time saving. The pointless part is that even if I was middle class I would still use Ubuntu. The only thing about having huge amounts of money I would have a computer with Linux and a Mac development computer.

3rdalbum
January 23rd, 2008, 03:25 AM
Most people who use Linux don't do so because it's "free of charge". They do so because it fits their needs and wants, and sometimes even because it's "free as in freedom".

doorknob60
January 23rd, 2008, 03:53 AM
I'm poor, but I'm just a teenager and my parents use Ubuntu and aren't poor.


I
I bought a Compaq Presario last week with Vista Home. Turgid. Ugh. I disconnected it and swapped in a Ubuntu hard drive from another computer. Came right up. Different processor, different screen geometry, different video chip, different mouse, different DVD, .... Ubuntu didn't care, it just ran. Try that with Vista.....
Cheers, Jerry

Wow I've never gotten that to work...lucky :P

rosegarden78
January 26th, 2008, 09:22 PM
OK guys this begins to remind me of the IBM commercial advising a client not to throw money at a problem but to find solution. Why should I pay for problems? Also the excessive licensing and pricing now I don't want to see MS go out of business. I think they should focus on the XBox since playing games is what they do best.

ryanVickers
January 26th, 2008, 09:25 PM
I kind of do want them to go out of business :p

If you read the "fineprint" on most of their games, they were just the publisher - usually the actual creator of the games was EA or something like that ;)

If they did go out of business, it wouldn't hurt the gaming community too bad, and it could only help everything else - everyone would be forced to switch to Mac or Linux, and the increased competition between the 2 quality products could only be good for them both! Much better than just being "monopolied" out of the race.

dburnett77
January 26th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Depends. You can definitely save money with open source software, and be just as productive.

Status, seems is better for some.
Lord knows the ever increasing demands for hardware and MS Vista stability will give most something to talk about.

Not to mention, when the bickering over whom is to get the largest share of newer pushed video codecs resolves. The software/hardware combination upgrade will cost 1/3 to 1/2 the computer cost.

There you go, something to brag about.

Myself, I want operability, and not some flagrant battleship approach of the Empire and the Sun's Rising upon my desktop of which to cast shade upon all around.

(((X)))
January 26th, 2008, 10:29 PM
I agree, one can buy pc without OS(never saw one), install linux, or illegaly downloaded windows.
Ubuntu-computers are a bit cheaper..however, I dont see it as a main reason one would use linux, most people will buy windows, even they pay extra 100 dollar.
You know..I can get Vista ultimate for free, just by downloading it..if I somehow, somewhere will need it.
For a really cheap, new desktop, good enough for most users:
http://linfx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=9/

jeffc313
January 26th, 2008, 10:40 PM
I'm not poor, not rich.

kinda reminds me of a big l song
"I wasn't poor, i was po, I couldn't afford the "OR" "
I think it was from lifestylez of the poor and dangerous

xpod
January 26th, 2008, 11:59 PM
I am one of the richest men on the planet..:)

I have a wonderful wife & 5 healthy children and of course i live in a house and eat & drink well every single day......
What more could you want?

I could(wife allowing:)) go buy the uber PC off any shelf in any shop if i really wanted but strangely i/we have used contraptions i`ve revived from friends,family & locals since first using a pc myself some 2 Yr`s ago now.
Not that i never wanted to hit PCWorld during those first few months mind you.](*,)
Only last fortnight did i eventually build my first new one but even today i dont see the point.....a bit like the thread in fact,

The old/er things we had acquired & upgraded along the way did/do perfectly well.

I have never had to pay for the legite M.E,XP home & Pro or the Vista Ultimate i`ve had along the way and Linux/Ubuntu being free is certainly the very last reason i chose to use the thing.

DjBones
January 27th, 2008, 12:18 AM
well, i'm sure if you can afford a computer your certainly not considered by most country's as 'poor' ;]

red_Marvin
January 27th, 2008, 02:02 AM
If you as I are able to read and/or post in this thread I wouldn't call you poor and able to prioritize at the same time

Omnios
January 27th, 2008, 02:09 AM
well, i'm sure if you can afford a computer your certainly not considered by most country's as 'poor' ;]


This is a very old saying well at least after computers went down under 5k lol.

Rich people buy cars and soop them up.
Poorer people buy computers and soop them up.

CaptainTux
January 27th, 2008, 04:08 AM
Hi, Linux user since 2001 and native since 2004.

I make about $125,000 USD annually so fiscally, I am not poor.

I have two lovely daughters who think I am pretty nifty, so in family I am not poor.

I do not have many in this world that I call friend, but those who I do call my friends..well, I would die for them and they for me...so in that department I am not poor.

So...um...no.

That said, I have not purchased software in 3 years and that is pretty cool. I've donated to a few project, but that was by my volition and not at the hands of a clerk at Best Buy.

SonicSteve
January 27th, 2008, 01:57 PM
I don't think I can consider myself poor in any sense of the word. Spiritually or Earthly.
I work in a school and the Volume License we have with Microsoft allows me free access to run any Windows version I choose and any Office version as well. I just choose not to. I use Linux because I was a windows Tech for years, (I still am in fact) and as such I had the chance to try the coming Vista betas and RC's. I didn't like many things about it. I felt that it was taking too much of my freedoms away, I didn't like that it needed so much horsepower to run it effectively. I can afford to go buy a better computer that could run windows Vista, but I see nothing about Vista that would cause me to use it. It's XP all eye candied and laden with restrictions. I've even experimented with Vista in the School but it was a headache so I scrapped it.

With all that in mind I decided to learn the mysterious beast called Linux . I found that it was actually quite good. The more I used it the more I liked it and I realized that it could actually replace windows for me. I started with Dapper essentially, I'm not sure there is anything Microsoft can do to get me back. It has nothing to do with my income though.

money2themax
January 28th, 2008, 12:23 AM
This is a very old saying well at least after computers went down under 5k lol.

Rich people buy cars and soop them up.
Poorer people buy computers and soop them up.
NO

that works both ways

you could also say

Poorer people buy cars and soop them up.
Rich people buy computers and soop them up.

OR


Dumb people buy cars and soop them up.
Smart people buy computers and soop them up.

And vice-versa

xpod
January 28th, 2008, 10:29 AM
The Village Of 100 People.........


In the world today, more than 6 billion people live.
If this world were shrunk to the size of a village of 100 people, what would it look like?

59 would be Asian
14 would be American (North, Central and South)
14 would be African
12 would be European
1 would be from the South Pacific

50 would be women, 50 would be men
30 would be children, 70 would be adults.
70 would be nonwhite, 30 would be white
90 would be heterosexual, 10 would be homosexual

33 would be Christians
21 would be Muslims
15 would be Hindus
6 would be Buddhists
5 would be Animists
6 would believe in other religions
14 would be without any religion or atheist.

15 would speak Chinese, Mandarin
7 English
6 Hindi
6 Spanish
5 Russian
4 Arabic
3 Bengali
3 Portuguese
The other would speak Indonesian, Japanese,
German, French, or some other language.

In such a village with so many sorts of folks, it would be very important to learn to understand people different from yourself and to accept others as they are. Of the 100 people in this village:

20 are underonurished
1 is dying of starvation, while 15 are overweight.
Of the wealth in this village, 6 people own 59% (all of them from the United States), 74 people own 39%, and 20 people share the remaining 2%.
Of the energy of this village, 20 people consume 80%, and 80 people share the remaining 20%.
20 have no clean, safe water to drink.
56 have access to sanitation
15 adults are illiterate.
1 has an university degree.
7 have computers.

In one year, 1 person in the village will die, but in the same year, 2 babies will be born, so that at the year's end the number of villagers will be 101.

If you do not live in fear of death by bombardment, armed attack, landmines, or of rape or kidnapping by armed groups, then you are more fortunate than 20, who do.

If you can speak and act according to your faith and your conscience without harassment, imprisonment, torture or death, then you are more fortunate than 48, who can not.

If you have money in the bank, money in your wallet and spare change somewhere around the house, then you are among the richest 8.

If you can read this message, that means you are probably lucky!


Perspective perspective perspective:-k

graabein
January 28th, 2008, 10:37 AM
That's a silly statement in my opinion. I would not get a Mac or buy Windows OS and programs even though I can afford it. I prefer GNU/Linux either way.

In fact I love it! The new Ubuntu is great with Compiz and Quod Libet etc. If City Of Heroes would run perfectly with Wine and tv-out would be better I'd be a 100% Microsoft free.

xpod
January 28th, 2008, 10:44 AM
I would say great minds think alike but ..........:-\".....i wont:)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4221892#post4221892

Good stuff mips

antisocialist
January 28th, 2008, 10:39 PM
This is a very old saying well at least after computers went down under 5k lol.

Rich people buy cars and soop them up.
Poorer people buy computers and soop them up.

you are wrong

that is not true, never has been true, and most likely never will be true. 3 of the worlds richest people all made their money through computers
mark shuttleworth (founder of google and ubuntu)
bill gates (founder of M$)
paul allen (co founder of M$)

3 very wealth people, all who made there money via computers...
i would think that they have pretty expensive (prob at least $10000+) computers

also, poor people can barely (if at all) afford food, let alone computers, therefore there is not such thing as a poor person with a computer

ryanVickers
January 29th, 2008, 02:47 AM
The Village Of 100 People.........

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Perspective perspective perspective:-k


It's an interesting idea, but you can almost guarantee that all the inequalities would be resolved, and all traits and conditions would be averaged sooner or later. Some would take place quite quickly, and some may take a couple generations, but eventually almost all the differences would be assimilated into one "super-combo-human", with the exception of perhaps religious beliefs and of course individual opinions.
Its just the fact that the world is separated so well that causes the differences in people.

If anyone finds this offensive I apologize; I am not trying to state anything/anyone is better or worse, I am just saying that I think if everyone lived in one village, they would all eventually become very similar - the average of everyone :)

antisocialist
January 29th, 2008, 08:24 AM
i am not offended, i dont see how anyone can be, all you said is that after a while everyone would be relatively the same, excluding religion and personal opinion.

that is your personal opinion

mips
January 29th, 2008, 09:36 AM
... with the exception of perhaps religious beliefs and of course individual opinions.



I would personally like to see a world without religion.

xpod
January 29th, 2008, 10:30 AM
It's an interesting idea, but you can almost guarantee that all the inequalities would be resolved, and all traits and conditions would be averaged sooner or later. Some would take place quite quickly, and some may take a couple generations, but eventually almost all the differences would be assimilated into one "super-combo-human", with the exception of perhaps religious beliefs and of course individual opinions.
Its just the fact that the world is separated so well that causes the differences in people.

If anyone finds this offensive I apologize; I am not trying to state anything/anyone is better or worse, I am just saying that I think if everyone lived in one village, they would all eventually become very similar - the average of everyone

It was`nt so much about any hypothetical Village itself but more to do with what people perceive as being "poor".
If like you say religion and individual opinions were to stick around then that place would probably always be just as messed up as this big ole planet.


I would personally like to see a world without religion.
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+1
Some people just need something(else) to believe in though eh.

Jad
January 29th, 2008, 10:42 AM
I believe it is a mistake to link your OS of choice to your financial status, I can afford MAC but why would I want that when we have such excellent OS with great ideology behind it?

stinger30au
January 29th, 2008, 11:22 AM
i use Ubuntu and in not poor.im not what i would class at rich either.

i think of myself as smart because im no longer hung on the microsoft/intel upgrade merry-go-round.
my pentium 4 3 Ghz Prescott CPU with one gig of ram and a geforce 2 with 64 meg of ram runs very nicely.

best of all i can have a new operating system every 6 months with ubuntu rather then every few years with MS.

the even better bit is i dont get the extra "backdoors" in my OS that allows others to shove their nose in and see what im doing.

so, unfortunately i dont believe in your statement.

Rock on Linux

bufsabre666
January 29th, 2008, 11:37 AM
I would personally like to see a world without religion.

i personally dont have a religion to believe in, but i wouldnt take it that far.

im happy for people who have religion and i think its good for them, i just dont want them slurring it in my face, keep your religion to yourself, youre not going to convert the non believers

xpod
January 29th, 2008, 11:40 AM
I believe it is a mistake to link your OS of choice to your financial status, I can afford MAC but why would I want that when we have such excellent OS with great ideology behind it?

Free as in £££ was,and indeed still is the very last reason i choose to continue using Ubuntu/Linux...and always will be.
Windows was,,,is free for me too,legite Windows at that.Free as in £££ anyway.
Anybody who thinks people are only using Linux just because we`re skint should probably go have a good long think about that one.
Yes, it costs time...but that "time" is well and truely paid back imho.
How many years have most given Windows after all:???:

There are lots of things i can afford.....that i just would`nt buy.
But then thats probably because there are lots of things i just cant afford,that the wife buys anyway:)

TorqueyPete
January 29th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Is that true ?

Are you making a joke at the expense of genuinely poor people? I hope not.

Almost everyone who posts on here will have access to a computer and internet connection. How poor are they?

No is the answer. But we may be cheapskates. Or just overdrawn at the bank. Or have no financial problems at all, merely having eyes open with regard to the insidious practicies of a certain software company hell bent on world domination! :)

jeffus_il
January 29th, 2008, 12:11 PM
Linux users are rich, they are rich with the knowledge that an intelligent and well built operating system, contributes to them, helps them to achieve, mere participation in a forum like this is about as good as taking a course. They are enriched by having a system that they can get to know and control, if they want. They are rich in being able to join a group of idealistic and principled participants, who support open source software, and are prepared to donate their time to a cause. The cause in the long run being the enrichment of poor people with a free operating system and huge suite of applications.

xpod
January 29th, 2008, 12:28 PM
But we may be cheapskates.

And the Scotsman here is saying nothing:lolflag:

EDIT:Nice avatar...mmmmm:-)

matt.lovett
January 29th, 2008, 01:07 PM
I have bought Windows Vista for all 3 of my computers and my laptop.

Ok I dont have Linux yet but when it comes I am removing it from all my PCs and laptop. Ive done my research and it sounds awesome!

Matt.

linux noooob
January 29th, 2008, 01:13 PM
WOW
I was just thinking ! maybe if you bought a computer without windows installed you could get 200$ off!!!

Meyithi
January 29th, 2008, 01:20 PM
I don't pay for sex, but I could do! Not everything that's free is cheap, many things that you pay for when you could have it for free is cheap.

I'm not stupid - and I'm not poor :)

LitusMayol
January 29th, 2008, 01:57 PM
Don't think it. it's a question which it's answers will be based upon nothing, so... don't know how many people use Linux, don't know how many of them is poor. And what do you consider poor?

i think it is a stupid question...

jeffus_il
January 29th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Don't think it. it's a question which it's answers will be based upon nothing, so... don't know how many people use Linux, don't know how many of them is poor. And what do you consider poor?

i think it is a stupid question...
Definitely a stupid question, but it has stimulated many responses, so it must have interested the forum members ...

antisocialist
January 29th, 2008, 07:29 PM
Definitely a stupid question, but it has stimulated many responses, so it must have interested the forum members ...

or pissed them off:lolflag:

Dojan5
January 29th, 2008, 07:41 PM
I AM NOT POOR!
Or errr...
Hrrrm. I cant say im rich either. Im 14 soo....
Anyway. I installed Ubuntu because my Windows XP Pro cd just stopped working.
Fortunately i had ordered Ubuntu and Kubuntu CD's from shipit, so i got it like a week before i installed the new Hard drive. And now i want to dual boot with XP because im developing Windows apps and i would be delighted playing The Sims CoCo sometimes too.

If it wherent for that, and that i need shockwave i would never go back to Windows.
I like Linux too much!

nikoPSK
January 30th, 2008, 01:42 AM
ummm, no. Why would you say that? I got loot today man.. $$$

bufsabre666
January 30th, 2008, 01:46 AM
ummm, no. Why would you say that? I got loot today man.. $$$

loot? did you just rob a bank niko?

Knyven
January 30th, 2008, 01:51 AM
I dont know, Im $1000 richer because i didnt upgrade my computer, buy vista and office07. And still do the job.

Samhain13
January 30th, 2008, 01:56 AM
I dont know, Im $1000 richer because i didnt upgrade my computer, buy vista and office07. And still do the job.

+1 :D

Although... I am poor.

bruce89
January 30th, 2008, 01:59 AM
Linux users aren't poor, they're rich in terms of collabaration (corny I know).

criskat777
January 30th, 2008, 02:13 AM
Y would any one make a post saying such a thing. i mean what does been poor have to do with anything. Poor is a state of mind and this been the internet what may be poor in the US my be rich in a third world country. The truth is Linux users for the most part are thinkers the type of people that never stop evolving and for that u don't have to be rich or poor. U just have to use your mind. in steed of asking foolish ? y don't u ask what would be a cool new app for linux? Or how can we make the average folk understand that Linux is really free for all. People ask me how can that be ? And i say it's that simple FREE. For the POOR or the RICH. Just in case that was what you wanted to hear.:popcorn: P.S It's time we stop thinking of money and start thinking as a community

LaRoza
January 30th, 2008, 02:14 AM
If anyone feels like they are getting less because they are not paying for Linux, PM me, and I will sell you an Ubuntu CD, extra for the Mint CD, and even more for the server CD.

Metalbuntu
January 30th, 2008, 02:21 AM
I am not "Poor" Not sure what that has to do with anything..

nikoPSK
January 30th, 2008, 02:31 AM
loot? did you just rob a bank niko?

no, lol:
http://nikopsk.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/new-gadgets-part-1/
http://nikopsk.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/new-gadgets-part-2/

:p

Mary.Riley
January 30th, 2008, 02:31 AM
I'm not poor, I just prefer using a more functional, non-proprietary operating system.

criskat777
January 30th, 2008, 02:32 AM
If anyone feels like they are getting less because they are not paying for Linux, PM me, and I will sell you an Ubuntu CD, extra for the Mint CD, and even more for the server CD.

It's kind of funny but some times i think that if we would start charging people $20 Dollars less then what they are charging for WinBlows Linux would take off like a rocket. I don't know but in my mind it really tells me that we as a society value what we have for what it's cost in dollars is and not if is good or not. That state of mind is not just holding us back

LaRoza
January 30th, 2008, 02:33 AM
It's kind of funny but some times i think that if we would start charging people $20 Dollars less then what they are charging for WinBlows Linux would take off like a rocket. I don't know but in my mind it really tells me that we as a society value what we have for what it's cost in dollars is and not if is good or not. That state of mind is not just holding us back

I read a study that how much one pays makes a big difference in the human mind.

You are right, if it cost more, it would be more popular.

ryanVickers
January 30th, 2008, 02:34 AM
no, lol:
http://nikopsk.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/new-gadgets-part-1/
http://nikopsk.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/new-gadgets-part-2/

:p
hm, my 2.1 speakers were about $30 :D

They sound great, but they're little dinky ones, and a decent sub, although it's also rather small

(Altec Lansing from memory express...)

bufsabre666
January 30th, 2008, 02:36 AM
hm, my 2.1 speakers were about $30 :D

They sound great, but they're little dinky ones, and a decent sub, although it's also rather small

(Altec Lansing from memory express...)

i had a 30$ set of creative 2.1 speakers, then when i bought my 120$ 5.1 logitech speakers, my idea of quality changed

ryanVickers
January 30th, 2008, 02:38 AM
I read a study that how much one pays makes a big difference in the human mind.

You are right, if it cost more, it would be more popular.

If we wanted to do things "right", then it would have o be proportionately correct, eh?

$150 for windows quality = $? for Linux quality

clearly "?" in this equation could be anywhere from $2000 to $6000 :p

But, in the interest of not losing every user and the opportunity to gain new ones, I suggest leaving it free, although the $20 less idea would be interesting... :-k

nikoPSK
January 30th, 2008, 02:40 AM
hm, my 2.1 speakers were about $30 :D

They sound great, but they're little dinky ones, and a decent sub, although it's also rather small

(Altec Lansing from memory express...)I just cleared some room for the "front" two, they sound great. ":p

ryanVickers
January 30th, 2008, 02:40 AM
i had a 30$ set of creative 2.1 speakers, then when i bought my 120$ 5.1 logitech speakers, my idea of quality changed

Very true, but regardless of the fact I have a variety of music, I tend to listen to Elvis, Nat King Cole, the Beatles, Queen, etc. and all that good old stuff :p

point being, those old recordings were not extraordinary by any means in the first place ;)

money2themax
January 30th, 2008, 02:44 AM
If anyone feels like they are getting less because they are not paying for Linux, PM me, and I will sell you an Ubuntu CD, extra for the Mint CD, and even more for the server CD.
Server CD? I've never set up a server i have a copy of edubuntu on a disk i ordered