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mjitkop
June 11th, 2007, 05:35 AM
http://www.spacetime.com/home.php

Looks cool but not available for Linux at this time. Maybe soon.

-- Edit:

Actually, they will have a version for Linux:

http://www.spacetime3d.com/community/showthread.php?t=47

DeadSuperHero
June 11th, 2007, 07:13 AM
Dude! That's incredible!
So, is it a web browser, or what?
I could see Beryl-Compiz using some sort of plug-in to utilize this.

ajeffreys
June 11th, 2007, 07:32 AM
This looks very cool, and I am looking forward to its release :)

maniacmusician
June 11th, 2007, 07:52 AM
This looks very cool, and I am looking forward to its release :)
dont hold your breath :D

mjitkop
June 12th, 2007, 03:10 AM
Dude! That's incredible!
So, is it a web browser, or what?
I could see Beryl-Compiz using some sort of plug-in to utilize this.

I tried it on a Windows XP laptop and it is a standalone application with just a bar on top of the screen as show in the demos. My guess is that it uses the Internet Explorer engine to retrieve information from the internet so I don't trust it. The next time I will try it again will be on Ubuntu whenever it is available for Linux. ;)

hanzomon4
June 12th, 2007, 03:57 AM
It looks to be kinda useless, neat though...

chinchilla2392
January 9th, 2008, 12:15 AM
wow.
watch the video. (http://www.spacetime.com/)
this is amazing, A fully 3D browser, 3d videos, pics, webpages, ebay etc, its amazing
Spacetime Browser,
Unfortunately its only available on Windows and soon Mac OS X
is there any way it could be ported and not just emulated through wine?

K.Mandla
January 9th, 2008, 12:35 AM
Wine Is Not an Emulator. :lolflag:

Reminds me of 3D Looking Glass.

chinchilla2392
January 9th, 2008, 12:36 AM
meh,
basically its principals are to emulate windows applications, therefore its an emulator of such :P
but Spacetime sure looks good =]

-grubby
January 9th, 2008, 12:38 AM
I don't see the point. As far as I can see, you can't see even 2 websites at once, which is what I'd want to do.

chinchilla2392
January 9th, 2008, 12:40 AM
i definitely see potential to it though,
and its still pretty much in development
so there will be more improvements

Mateo
January 9th, 2008, 12:50 AM
Seems extremely pointless. Web pages are not 3D. Having them float in a 3D space doesn't make them 3D. It doesn't improve productivity, in fact it hurts it dramatically. Try multitasking when your web browser is taking up 500+mb of memory.

alwiap
January 9th, 2008, 12:58 AM
Seems extremely pointless. Web pages are not 3D. Having them float in a 3D space doesn't make them 3D. It doesn't improve productivity, in fact it hurts it dramatically. Try multitasking when your web browser is taking up 500+mb of memory.

I watched the vid and browsed around the website; I kind of have the same feeling. Looks cool though, I guess, if you're into nearly-pointless eye candy :)

r.hall
January 9th, 2008, 01:22 AM
This whole thing looks like a total piece of crap that's only going to grab the attention of people who use Vista and like to stare at slightly transparent glass all day. It's like... a 3D web browser. Anybody who actually wants to get something done on the internet is not going to use this crap.

I didn't watch the whole video, so I'm not sure if they did this, but I'd love to see someone running a high quality Java applet in it or something.

aktiwers
January 9th, 2008, 01:27 AM
Looks pretty cool, but I agree that it could be not so productive.

When I read the thread title, I thought you were talking about this:
http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/feelnikon/discovery/universcale/index_f.htm

Pretty cool too, but offtopic. :)

Vorless DarkChaos
February 6th, 2008, 05:02 AM
Do not forget it is still be worked on.ad
Spacetime is still in beta stage
They are working on making verison of spacetime to work on linux

~LoKe
February 6th, 2008, 05:13 AM
Looks complicated, resources intensive, and above all else, completely pointless. No one can read two pages at once. Having flippy windows doesn't increase efficiency (as we've seen with some of Compiz's features) and it's just confusing. We already have tabs and hotkeys, so I don't really understand the point of this other than the "wow" factor. Anyways; isn't Microsoft's "Surface" project already way ahead of this?

a12ctic
February 6th, 2008, 05:22 AM
Impractical? The sky background isnt gonna match your desktop either. *barf*

ryanVickers
February 6th, 2008, 05:44 AM
hm, not bad... its funny though, because as we move forward with all our technology, we don't look at these effects as new and cool, the are just the norm, and everything that doesn't have them is just pathetic :p

EDIT: just went and watched the preview, I see huge potential, but also so much that could be improved, I just don't know what... I just have a feeling it needs a lot of work lol

RAV TUX
February 6th, 2008, 10:00 AM
Interesting the image search function is cool(see image attachment), I do agree that it is as practical as Beryl/Compiz-Fusion/Vista 3D effects.

What is the base for the browser? Gecko? other?

After searching the spacetime forums, it appears to use an IE base but they are developing a Gecko base for Linux & Mac, they would probably be better off developing a Konqueror base or just only use a Gecko base only.


Hi,

Thanks for the feedback regarding the Gecko rendering engine. Yes, we are working on a Mac and Linux version and this would be a great idea.

Eddie
http://www.spacetime3d.com/community/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://www.spacetime3d.com/community/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=280)
http://www.spacetime3d.com/community/showthread.php?t=126

I may leave a post encouraging a Gecko base.

Whiffle
February 6th, 2008, 10:08 AM
The search thing is kinda neat, but the 3d space thing looks like a ginormous waste of space/power/memory to me. I'll keep my split windows and tabs.

RAV TUX
February 6th, 2008, 10:33 AM
I may leave a post encouraging a Gecko base.

Here is my post in that forum:


Hi,

Thanks for the feedback regarding the Gecko rendering engine. Yes, we are working on a Mac and Linux version and this would be a great idea.

EddieI am a Linux Developer/user and a Windows user.

reference:

CafeLinux.org (http://cafelinux.org/home/)

OzOs|apt:foo (http://cafelinux.org/OzOs/)

I actively use Windows along with OzOs (http://cafelinux.org/OzOs/) and have used OSX for years, I have to say that even in Windows I never use IE, I primarily use Firefox and Opera (http://www.opera.com/).

I highly encourage a Gecko base for practical purposes, especially if you want a cross platform browser to work in all Operating Systems.

You may even look into a Konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org/) base.

Great project!...keep up the good work.

I look forward to SpaceTime having any base other then IE, since it has an IE base I will remove it from my computer, but I look forward to a Gecko or other base. I highly encourage a Firefox base(Gecko rendering Engine).

Please email me when the SpaceTime base has evolved, to transcending IE. For now it is not worth the security risk.

ravtux AT gmail DOT com

RAV TUXhttp://www.spacetime3d.com/community/showthread.php?p=462#post462

imT
February 6th, 2008, 01:27 PM
firefox is better than that,
i would never need that application :( i like simple thou powerfull :)

Scarath
February 6th, 2008, 01:34 PM
As an openbox user (hater of bloat) i give this a heavy meh.
Whats the point apart from filling your screen with a picture?

I think it would be perfect for vista or mac or anything thats style over substance really :)

billgoldberg
February 6th, 2008, 01:41 PM
I don't find this imressive at all.

I can see the point of some of the compiz fusion effects (and those arent resource heavy) but a 3d browser?

You can only watch one page at the time.

The image thing is actually slower than just haveing 20 tumbnales you can see in a second.

hakimaki
February 6th, 2008, 01:54 PM
Pretty, but I don't see it anymore useful than the tabs that we use currently. Eye candy is nice but the excitement dies down. I mean hey, I shut compiz off after a couple days.

hessiess
February 6th, 2008, 02:20 PM
eyecandy= useless

hellion0
February 6th, 2008, 02:25 PM
I'd say, for most practical users, it's not worth it, but for eyecandy users, this is an awesome development.

imT
February 6th, 2008, 02:28 PM
eyecandy= useless

not necessary, also this product is not eyecandy, is stupid, as far as i'm concern
a little eyecandy is nice, especially on a pc used primary for media.

qazwsx
February 6th, 2008, 03:38 PM
wtf

I would rather type
links2 -g

fuscia
February 6th, 2008, 04:22 PM
another +1 for 'yuk!'

RAV TUX
February 6th, 2008, 05:03 PM
I think it would be perfect for vista or mac or anything thats style over substance really :)...or any Linux Distro that uses Compiz-Fusion.

Darkhack
February 6th, 2008, 07:32 PM
How come everyone goes crazy for Compiz-Fusion but this gets a pretty "meh" response? Obviously eyecandy isn't going to make for the most productive use but this is still a fun little thing that's pretty neat. In the word's of Stewie Griffin, "the clown face is just a clown face, enjoy it".

Mr. Picklesworth
February 6th, 2008, 07:42 PM
This is really quite pointless. I would be excited if they were redefining web standards, creating the successor to the now very dated and ugly HTML / CSS / Javascript / CGI spaghetti. A standard which enabled this type of information rendering via meaningful descriptions for blocks and more assertive layout tools. Maybe a system that worked more like the desktop, where pages can quickly support new standard libraries for search results and update checking, all under the exact same language and underlying technology. For example, a Python-powered web, where standards are really just a lot of stable libraries. At the moment, web designers struggle to gain control over their pages, yet it seems to be considered normal! Every browser seems to do a different job of rendering something, because they all make a different set of stupid assumptions. The existing systems are of a very passive design, where the pages really have very little control over how they should appear, yet countless hacks by web designers struggle to change this. That passive design could be good in that it means browsers can always change how things are done (for example, one could theoretically render a web page entirely with GTK widgets), but there is such a tension now between making web pages look interesting and making browsers support web pages that change is going to be very, very difficult if we continue along this same wavering line.

As it is, however, Spacetime is just piling another ugly hack on top of the over-stretched web infrastructure. Watch Google change their output and this browser's only important feature immediately collapse.

icechen1
February 6th, 2008, 10:54 PM
Minimum PC Configuration:

Operating System: Windows 2000, Windows XP or Vista
System Memory (RAM): 512MB
Graphics Adapter: 128MB plus 3D Capable
CPU: Pentium 4 2.4GHz or AMD 2400xp+
Screen Resolution: 1280 x 1024
Color: 32-Bit True Color
Network Speed: 768 Kbits/sec


You'll need a really big screen to use it.

Mateo
February 6th, 2008, 11:21 PM
How come everyone goes crazy for Compiz-Fusion but this gets a pretty "meh" response? Obviously eyecandy isn't going to make for the most productive use but this is still a fun little thing that's pretty neat. In the word's of Stewie Griffin, "the clown face is just a clown face, enjoy it".

This isn't comparable to Compiz, really. This is more comparable to running a 3D game. All the time.

~LoKe
February 6th, 2008, 11:25 PM
How come everyone goes crazy for Compiz-Fusion but this gets a pretty "meh" response?

Because 3D web-browsing is counter productive and serves no purpose.

bruce89
February 7th, 2008, 12:36 AM
See http://blogs.gnome.org/iain/2008/02/04/never-thought-youd-write-a-browser-cos-html-is-so-passe/ for a real solution using Clutter and WebKit.


Because 3D web-browsing is counter productive and serves no purpose.

And Compiz isn't?

~LoKe
February 7th, 2008, 12:48 AM
And Compiz isn't?

Nope, Compiz adds functionality. It make look like eye-candy and fluff, but it's possible to be more. It's more useful to have tabbed windows and desktops rather than tabbed...tabs. Plus, Compiz, unless something has recently changed, adds performance gains in addition to the effects. I believe it has something to do with the way it uses the xserver.

bruce89
February 7th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Nope, Compiz adds functionality. It make look like eye-candy and fluff, but it's possible to be more. It's more useful to have tabbed windows and desktops rather than tabbed...tabs. Plus, Compiz, unless something has recently changed, adds performance gains in addition to the effects. I believe it has something to do with the way it uses the xserver.


It has lots of bugs
The window switcher mouse wheel trick no longer works
The developers seem to think all bugs are in the programs being used, not Compiz itself
It lowers GL performance

~LoKe
February 7th, 2008, 12:54 AM
I'm speaking from my experience, as I've never encountered a bug which wasn't fixed within a fair amount of time, nor did I experience any of the problems you've mentioned. Also, you should know, I don't use Compiz anymore, so I don't know if there are new problems.

bruce89
February 7th, 2008, 12:57 AM
I'm speaking from my experience, as I've never encountered a bug which wasn't fixed within a fair amount of time, nor did I experience any of the problems you've mentioned. Also, you should know, I don't use Compiz anymore, so I don't know if there are new problems.

I haven't for some time either, I don't see the point. I'd fire it up to impress someone if there was someone to impress.

klange
February 7th, 2008, 01:28 AM
When I want to surf the web in 3d, I put a bunch of Firefox windows into a F11 fullscreen mode and use Shift Switcher in C-F. Now that's some 3d browsing.

gashcr
February 7th, 2008, 03:18 AM
this thing is absolutely useless... even more than compiz cube. You can have exactly the same effect having some Firefox windows opened and doing the ring switcher effect in compiz.

In other words, it is not a 3d browser; it is a 3d space where you handle a 2d browser...

It is an interesting idea, but this implementation is lame and mediocre.

klange
February 7th, 2008, 03:29 AM
It has lots of bugs - I've read over the bug list many times and haven't found anything that's still relevant. I'm sure the bugs exist, but we can't fix them if they aren't reported.
The window switcher mouse wheel trick no longer works - What is this "mouse wheel trick"?
The developers seem to think all bugs are in the programs being used, not Compiz itself - Many of them are. Just because Firefox dies while Compiz is running doesn't mean it's because Compiz is running.
It lowers GL performance - Well no crap. That's like saying eating at McDonald's increases your fat intake.

A crapload of bugs were fixed in the Git master, but they won't filter down to 0.6.0. I have no idea what this "mouse wheel" trick is, so I can't comment on it. People blame Compiz for slowing down some programs that are slow to begin with and even crash, it's not the compositor's fault if the app fails. I will admit, some things don't work, but we're not ignoring them. Your last comment is just plain common sense and requires no retort.

Anyway, this thread is about Spacetime - not Compiz - can we keep it to that?

ryanVickers
February 7th, 2008, 03:38 AM
I like how (talking about SpaceTime) it looks like it's super easy to use, and the history is nice; you can simply keep the pages open, and not have a tab bar to clutter up!

I nice addition to firefox however would be to get that scrollbar thing (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3726) available to Linux :p

RAV TUX
February 7th, 2008, 04:12 AM
I nice addition to firefox however would be to get that scrollbar thing (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3726) available to Linux :p

I am not certain but I thought there was a Firefox extension that does this?

Mr. Picklesworth
February 7th, 2008, 05:52 AM
I am not certain but I thought there was a Firefox extension that does this?
:O

Washer
February 7th, 2008, 07:55 AM
Tab management 101 (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/too-many-tabs-firefox-add-ons-to-manage-a-tab-jam/)

Compiz sort of adds frills & doesn't affect actual functionality much. I'd say it's pretty obvious looks help with something, as we're all using GUIs instead of CLI.

I consider this spacetime a definite downgrade over my normal browsing, but I suppose theres many non-powerusers who'd trade functionality for form.

FuturePilot
February 7th, 2008, 08:22 AM
It looks like someone stuck Compiz in a browser :lolflag:

Vorless DarkChaos
February 7th, 2008, 03:11 PM
It looks to be kinda useless, neat though...

spacetime is far from being useless
spacetime browser will get better

~LoKe
February 7th, 2008, 03:16 PM
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=662161

p_quarles
February 7th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Similar threads merged.

fuscia
February 7th, 2008, 04:09 PM
nevermind

RAV TUX
February 8th, 2008, 05:03 AM
nevermindOK

JeffoOfMetal
February 8th, 2008, 06:59 AM
This seems like a resource hog.

I would just impliment features in normal web browsers that make it easier to switch pages and such, like:

Scrolling over the tab bar to switch pages
and using a keyboard shortcut to quickly access the search bar

I would really have no use for a browser like spacetime...