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xouns
December 13th, 2008, 07:48 PM
On the other hand, I just installed my Ubuntu fresh because my old upgraded version was getting very slow at startup. Though, I must admit, after booting it fresh as a whistle.

But I still recomend XP to everyone I know that has no experience with computers: recently two computers at my parents house broke down and I tried installing Ubuntu on one and Xubuntu on the other, but but installations failed. With Windows, no problem. It takes a lot of time, but it installs.

I use Windows because it is still the OS I'm most experienced with. Every problem in XP I have solved in no time, but Ubuntu takes so much time. I now again have a few problems, and I feel reinstalling would be so much simpler...

utkjamie
December 14th, 2008, 02:30 AM
But I still recomend XP to everyone I know that has no experience with computers: recently two computers at my parents house broke down and I tried installing Ubuntu on one and Xubuntu on the other, but but installations failed. With Windows, no problem. It takes a lot of time, but it installs.

My experience has been just the opposite. I used to have to reinstall Windows every 12-18 months because Windows has a natural tendency to gradually slow down to the point that wiping the drive and starting over is the only real solution (most non-techies simply throw up their hands and buy new computers). I have a Dell 600m laptop, so it's not an out-dated piece of hardware, but a fresh install of XP always leaves me without wi-fi access until I can find an alternate way of getting online to download the latest drivers. In my case, that alternate method was to simply drop an Ubuntu live CD into my drive and use Ubuntu to get online to download the wi-fi card drivers that weren't included on the XP installation disk. Once that happens, I get to go through the process of installing each and every software application I need one at a time, spending at least several minutes on each to go through one installation prompt after another. Then I have to reconfigure each and every piece of software. And then I have to track down upgrades and software patches for each and every one of those programs. Reinstalling, for me, usually takes a full day at least and several more days to get everything tweaked back to how it was before the reinstallation.

In Ubuntu, if I actually had to reinstall the OS: I could use dpkg to read in a list of the software I had installed previous and sit back and let it do its thing. Heck, I can go grab lunch while it's installing because it rarely needs me to click through pointless installation prompts. I don't need to worry about getting updates because Ubuntu will grab the latest versions of the software I am installing. And configuring? No need. My Home directory and all of my settings have been preserved.

On your other point, I think there is this terrible belief that Windows is an OS with training wheels. In other words, it's great for newbies. My experience absolutely contradicts that. I used to do tech support (both on-site and phone) for one of the Big 3 automakers -- and still do quite a bit for family and friends and friends of family and friends so I have some experience of just how bad things can get when newbies are left with a fresh installation of Windows. What have I learned?

That most people who don't know much about computers also don't know how to maintain them. Sure, Microsoft makes Microsoft updates easy to get, but every other piece of software installed in a Windows system has its own way of handling software updates. Some have little notifications that make a user go to a website, download the latest version, find that file wherever it was saved on the hard drive, run it, follow the installation prompts, and probably reboot. A lot of software doesn't even announce that updates are available. You just have to be sure to check the websites of every piece of software you install to make sure you have the latest and greatest. With Ubuntu, you simply wait for the OS to notify you of updates for just about every piece of software on your computer. You click one button to make all the updates and almost never have to reboot. This alone is a huge reason of why Ubuntu is much more newbie-friendly.

Don't even get me started on how difficult it is in Windows to uninstall a piece of software and ensure that every last DLL, registry entry, and configuration file goes with it. In Unbuntu, it's as easy and choosing the complete removal option. And you won't have to go through a half-dozen prompts to complete a software removal.

Ever try to back up a Windows system? I don't mean copying My Documents to a disk. I mean backing up all of the configuration settings scattered across the drive in the system registry, in My Documents, in Program Files, and in other places. In Ubuntu, just backup your Home directory.

Windows requires regular defragging. Ubuntu doesn't. How many newbies know that defragging is necessary? How many actually defrag their drives?

And viruses? Most newbie users that I've dealt with only have updated anti-virus software if it is automatic and requires no user intervention. Put another way, I know of almost no newbie Windows users that have updated anti-virus software unless it is automatic or I was the one who updated their software the last time they called me for help with their Windows computer.

Or what about that annoying problem where you hook up an external hard drive and it gets assigned a drive letter and then you point all of your programs to that drive letter only to have the drive letter change the next time you reboot because you decided to also insert a thumb drive? Sure, there's ways to prevent this. But how many newbies know how to do it?

I could go on and on and on, but my point is that Windows is actually much more difficult for newbies than Ubuntu. Sure, it works out of the box -- but it's not going to stay working all that well without a lot of maintenance and some techie know-how.

r m h
December 14th, 2008, 03:29 AM
I use linux to run VirtualBox VMs of Windows - they run much better in a VM than on actual hardware.

I can't tell you why that is, but for the rare occasions I need to spin up a virtual machine to run Windows XP (to use Visio or QuickBooks mainly), I can boot Windows XP in about 15 seconds on my laptop (ThinkPad T61p, 4GB RAM, 100GB SATA II HDD 7200RPM, 2.66 Core 2 Duo).

The huge benefit of using VMs for Windows, is that when I configure a VM the way I want/need it, I can clone it in about 30 seconds, then when the original pukes, as it always does, I spin up my clone and I'm back where I was at the time I cloned it. I then clone my clone for when that VM pukes.

I never have to rebuild another instance of Windows, ever. I don't have to worry about lost data since the VMs all use linux directories for saving the data/files.

Oh, and I use linux as my primary operating system because the things I do are impossible, or at the very least so painful to do in Windows that my productivity approaches negative zero with windows.

What do I do that's so painful with Windows? I commonly manipulate hundreds of GB of unstructured data files and millions of rows of unformatted data using sed, awk, grep, and their brethren - this data cannot be loaded into databases until it's cleaned up to the point of actually being delimited fields.

In my world, there are but two reasons one may need to use Windows - Visio and QuickBooks, and VMs are the way to go.

vkbl111
December 14th, 2008, 05:16 AM
I use Windows for the games, and the some other software that will not run in wine and I require for my work. I LOVE linux though, it is exponentially faster and safer. Also its way more fun to customize and is easier to program with/for. :D

Oh and VM's are a great way to go too :D

upapilot
December 14th, 2008, 05:51 AM
Yes you are a bit right....There's no point trying to replace XP with Linux except that Linux has no known virus, spyware, adware and other threats......If your using XP for games then replacing it with Linux is pointless however if you use it to browse the net and read mail then you should definitely replace it with Linux.):P

jota-e
December 14th, 2008, 07:08 AM
Hi, im new too in linux and in the first the experience it was good. I installed ubuntu and xp with a dual boot in same hd. Almost all hardware was reconized by Ubuntu 8.1, it was not necessary install those drivers, thats it was great. But, the GPU nvidia and modem was not. In that moment start my headache.I start looking for all internet some answer without any success and i observe to much people looking for the same or similar problems. The main problem is those drivers needs to be downloaded from internet, but i was unable to connect via modem for that ( im not in land, i work in ship), i downloded a packet with gnome-ppp via windows and i tried to install it in ubuntu, but is another headache install something in linux, i spend 2 days trying solve the drivers problem without success instead 15 minutes install all drivers in xp. and really, im asking the same question: is really necessary have linux if you have xp or vista more easy?. by the way... xp is faster in my machine.

sanjit
December 14th, 2008, 02:13 PM
If you have Linux, why use Windows?

Linux is better and free. Most of the crap that Windows has that Linux doesn't is a free trial anyway. They all want money. Bunch of capitalist pigs.

**** capitalism.

Seriously though, I removed Vista almost immediately after booting Ubuntu. You can do the same crap for free. If Linux distributers actually did some marketing, they get quite a few conversions. The masses just don't know that they're being had. They never do. They're oblivious that way.

Obviously, I have my political motivations (Anarchist).

JohnLM_the_Ghost
December 14th, 2008, 05:07 PM
My experience has been just the opposite...

I completely agree to every last bit of what you said.
If I imagined absolute newbie, Ubuntu would be the what I'd recommend. Those not touched Windows "stereotypes" will learn Ubuntu ways faster.
Of course... I don't imagine there are many such people left (at least in western world).

Usually it is about people who knows little about PCs, but have used Windows for something. And if they not willing to learn something new, Windows will be best for them...
else, Ubuntu all the way!

Maxepr
December 14th, 2008, 05:32 PM
I switched my laptop to ubuntu about 6 months ago and I love it! MY desktop has Vista 64 bit on a double hard drive raid controller and XP on another hard drive. The only reason I keep XP is that there is 2 programs that I absolutely need that run ONLY on XP. The only reason that I have Vista is that I am a gamer and they don't run on Linux. If they would, I would completely FLUSH Microcrap from my life.:mad:

albinootje
December 14th, 2008, 05:46 PM
Using Linux means that you are part of a community which is making a step towards freedom and independence.

And your remark about "I never had problems with spyware" etc.etc.
But how do you know ?
XP is closed source software from a big company.
You are probably using closed source software against malware, spyware, viruses, trojans etc.etc. also from big companies.
Who can you trust on the internet ?
Who says that you didn't already get some keylogging software installed.

A few weeks ago i read that police in a country in Europe had broken into some computers from criminals.
I thought right away that that was about MS-Windows computers.

Check the Secunia website and check how many open bugs that MS-Windows has, and compare that with the amount of open bugs that Ubuntu has.

http://secunia.com/advisories/

And for the rest.
The NSA has released open source software for Linux called SELinux.

For Microsoft Vista the NSA has helped to secure Vista,
but they are not gonna tell how or what.
That last thing gives me not really a more secure feeling about MS-Vista.
:)

Tomatz
December 14th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Personally I'm glad that windows has the monopoly. Can you imagine linux being so secure if it wasn't?

Just imagine Joe idiot being asked to enter his password for access to free porn dot com ;)

kyleskimskate
December 14th, 2008, 09:28 PM
It's faster, no viruses, easier to use, ITS FREE, ha, it get a better picture on my computer. The only reason I am dual booting windows it because Adobe Premiere Doesn't work with Linux and all the video editors I tried just completely fail, and Guitar Hero Explorer doesn't work on Linux

Chame_Wizard
December 15th, 2008, 02:56 PM
here's way



<Snakeman^Engineer> Do I sense some hatred towards Windows Vista originating from your direction?
<Chrysalid^Revenge> Oh no, not at all
* Chrysalid^Revenge stands up in a medieval recitation pose
<Chrysalid^Revenge> "OS X for the Mac users, pretentious in their coffeeshops
<Chrysalid^Revenge> Gentoo for the nerd-lords in their mother's basement
<Chrysalid^Revenge> XP for the everyday user, bound to muck around with bloody settings and registry values they should damn well leave alone
<Chrysalid^Revenge> Then Vista from the Dark Lord behind his desk
<Chrysalid^Revenge> In the Microsoft office, where crappy programming is performed
<Chrysalid^Revenge> One OS to eat your RAM, One OS to spy on your digital media
<Chrysalid^Revenge> One OS to screw them all, and in frustration bind them
<Chrysalid^Revenge> In the Microsoft office, where crappy programming is performed"
<Sectoid^Authopsy> Whoa!

:lolflag:

crtlbreak
December 15th, 2008, 03:11 PM
I think the title keeps is self explanatory to me

.... you "have" Windows XP but "use" Linux ......

It almost explains all the discussions on all these forums to me in a nutshell.

The one denotes a paid type ownership concept and the other is a functional statement.

I am sure I don't have to mention which one is which?

JohnLM_the_Ghost
December 15th, 2008, 08:11 PM
here's way



:lolflag:
ha ha ha!
That is a good one!
Words play with LOTR's Monologue...

One OS to screw them all!

Aweyer2
December 16th, 2008, 03:49 AM
UUUMMM, Windows sucks, Ubuntu rules. No viruses, no license to worry about you can use your software how you want, no restrictions. It has amazing ease of use, and the linux Terminal is 10X easyer than command prompt in windows, not to mention the newest version of windows needs at least 2 GB of RAM to run decently.

rswoody2000
December 16th, 2008, 10:24 AM
I agree with a lot of others out there, Windows is not as stable and is power hungry with loads of vulnerabilities. I just hate how many problems i had with Viruses, Worms, Trojans and so on. The amount of times i had to re-install because my virus software didnt pick them all up. I enjoy the customability and being able to make it look and feel the way you want. Windopws cant do anything near that. I especially enjoy the multiple desktops. I found that with the amount of stuff i do that it gets too cluttered in WIndows

LarsKongo
December 16th, 2008, 10:59 AM
For me Windows XP is much more responsive, faster and stable than Ubuntu.

In Ubuntu there are a lot of 3rd party software I need, and the quality control of these are questionable. Strange though is that some of this software works better in Windows. (Opera, VLC to name 2.)

The nvidia drivers for my 8800GTS is still not responsive enough. They work but with some 2D slowdown.

Loading programs may not be the most important thing, but it takes time for some apps to start, even if it's not much I can feel the difference in Windows XP which loads them faster. (Depends on the apps though.)

I know how to take care of my Windows installation unlike the majority of users. I have slipstreamed my Windows installation though. I've removed some things and services I don't need. To reduce fragmentation I've paritioned my hd to several partitions that I use for different things. XP boots in around 15 seconds, most apps I use starts almost immedatly, not a single OS crash or bsod for as long as I can remember. As for viruses and stuff I don't use any protection other than a hardware firewall which is enough for me. I've never had a single virus because I know what I'm doing. It's the user who gets the virus, not Windows.

Still though, Ubuntu may be fun to use once in a while, but I'm only using it on my second computer for testing different things, but I rarely boot it up because I also have some virtual machines where I can try anything that doesn't requires 3D or too much resources.

JohnLM_the_Ghost
December 17th, 2008, 01:47 AM
For me Windows XP is much more responsive, faster and stable than Ubuntu.

In Ubuntu there are a lot of 3rd party software I need, and the quality control of these are questionable. Strange though is that some of this software works better in Windows. (Opera, VLC to name 2.)

The nvidia drivers for my 8800GTS is still not responsive enough. They work but with some 2D slowdown.

Loading programs may not be the most important thing, but it takes time for some apps to start, even if it's not much I can feel the difference in Windows XP which loads them faster. (Depends on the apps though.)

I know how to take care of my Windows installation unlike the majority of users. I have slipstreamed my Windows installation though. I've removed some things and services I don't need. To reduce fragmentation I've paritioned my hd to several partitions that I use for different things. XP boots in around 15 seconds, most apps I use starts almost immedatly, not a single OS crash or bsod for as long as I can remember. As for viruses and stuff I don't use any protection other than a hardware firewall which is enough for me. I've never had a single virus because I know what I'm doing. It's the user who gets the virus, not Windows.

Still though, Ubuntu may be fun to use once in a while, but I'm only using it on my second computer for testing different things, but I rarely boot it up because I also have some virtual machines where I can try anything that doesn't requires 3D or too much resources.

Do I like it or not... I have to agree!
From my own experience, I know one can fin-tune and optimise Windows to run quite fast and smooth. Although I've tried I cannot achieve the same speed for Ubuntu. But I can't say either seems sluggish when I work with them.

But Linux has it's own advantages and uses.
When assembling server or low-cost system, I'd always think Linux first.
Linux is free, and it has superior security model. Also server utils an apps are abundant for linux.
In fact I'm running server with Debian.

There is also lots of good things about linux for desktop, but I'm not into discussing it in detail.

p.s. I still do recommend having some light-weight anti-virus software on Windows. You never know...

Cadeyrn
December 17th, 2008, 06:32 AM
I used to be a Windows XP user, but I moved to Ubuntu because when you think about it, with Ubuntu and Linux existing at all, Windows is only good for games. And don't even get me started on Mac. Mac is good for nothing. XD

One thing is, yes, Ubuntu is designed by the computer users for the computer users, instead of Microsoft not caring about their customers. And if you think I'm wrong, remember what happened to Vista? They released it before it was ready. Almost every single user of Vista develops their own unique unfixable issue. Microsoft could take so little, Vista has been ditched. I mean think about it. Has Microsoft really ever helped anyone with Vista recently? No way. They're too busy making Windows 7, which I might add, will be the exact same thing as Vista right down to the theme, minus the bugs.

Plus everything else others have said. And if no one has said this already, I wanna take a crack at it: Windows, unlike Linux/Unix or Mac, SLOWS DOWN OVER TIME. And not just because of viruses. Even if you have the best virus protection, Windows WILL get slower and slower whether it's from viruses or not. It happened to all of the tons and tons of PC's me and my brother have had in our lives. It happened to mine, too. Right before I switched to Ubuntu, my Windows installation couldn't even handle doing a file transer and OPENING a folder in explorer.exe simultaneously without freezing forever until I hold the power button. And that was after about 2 years of having the computer, and one year of Windows.

And yes, I'm still a gamer. I use WINE, and where WINE doesn't work, such as in Paltalk and some other things, I use VirtualBox. It all works perfectly fine. The only thing I'm mad about is this recent update that ***** up the GUI portion of Ubuntu for all ATI graphics card users.


For me Windows XP is much more responsive, faster and stable than Ubuntu.

In Ubuntu there are a lot of 3rd party software I need, and the quality control of these are questionable. Strange though is that some of this software works better in Windows. (Opera, VLC to name 2.)

The nvidia drivers for my 8800GTS is still not responsive enough. They work but with some 2D slowdown.

Loading programs may not be the most important thing, but it takes time for some apps to start, even if it's not much I can feel the difference in Windows XP which loads them faster. (Depends on the apps though.)

I know how to take care of my Windows installation unlike the majority of users. I have slipstreamed my Windows installation though. I've removed some things and services I don't need. To reduce fragmentation I've paritioned my hd to several partitions that I use for different things. XP boots in around 15 seconds, most apps I use starts almost immedatly, not a single OS crash or bsod for as long as I can remember. As for viruses and stuff I don't use any protection other than a hardware firewall which is enough for me. I've never had a single virus because I know what I'm doing. It's the user who gets the virus, not Windows.

Still though, Ubuntu may be fun to use once in a while, but I'm only using it on my second computer for testing different things, but I rarely boot it up because I also have some virtual machines where I can try anything that doesn't requires 3D or too much resources.

Wow... In the history of forever, I have never once heard of anyone who has EVER run Windows as long as you without everything that's going great for you going terrible wrong. And everyone else "knew what they were doing," too.

Well, you should still get some basic protection, man. Usually Windows, no matter the firewall, even if it's its own, gets slowed down with millions of viruses that no firewall or virus protection in existence ever seems to find or eradicate. Only a matter of time.

LarsKongo
December 17th, 2008, 12:16 PM
Well, you should still get some basic protection, man. Usually Windows, no matter the firewall, even if it's its own, gets slowed down with millions of viruses that no firewall or virus protection in existence ever seems to find or eradicate. Only a matter of time.
That's a myth. Windows doesn't get viruses, it's the user as I mentioned before. If I get something I have myself to blame because of something I manually did. Basic protection is not even needed for a very experienced user (except for the firewall). I've never had a single virus for as long as I've used XP (over 5 years now). My oldest XP install was about 2,5 years old before I bought a new computer and installled Ubuntu over that old one. Even after those 2,5 years my XP installation was just as fast and stable as the day I installed it. (I did use NOD32 then, but never got any viruses.)

It's a combination of knowledge and common sense. My view is that the user is always to blame for crashes and viruses unless it's a hardware/driver malfunction. (Or a badly programmed application with no quality control.)

Also, I would not recommend anyone not to use anti-malware apps, it's just that people tends to blame whatever they can't handle when it's their own fault.

achilleas.k
December 19th, 2008, 07:05 PM
I haven't read through the entire thread, just the first two pages and the last one.
To answer the original question, I personally installed Linux out of curiosity and as a little personal experiment. I tried a couple of distributions in the past on my laptop, dual-booting Linux and XP and in the end the Linux partitions just ended up being dead space for me. I consider myself a very active gamer (slightly addicted I must admit), so switching from one OS to the other all the time just became tedious.

I recently decided my laptop will become a pure Linux PC because its age doesn't allow me to play games on it any more and I'm going through a period where I have the spare time and patience to work out any problems I may have with learning a new OS.

I still use XP extensively and I have had some very good history with the specific OS. Just like other posters, I also have had XP installations that ran very well 2-3 years without resulting to the dreaded reformatting and I now consider reinstalling an OS every few months "the coward's solution". I have caught the odd virus and malware type thing and have always managed to clean it without resorting to a reinstallation.
I believe it will be a long time before I feel that I can personalize my Linux installation to the extent that I have done with XP, even though Linux allows for more customization in general.

Another important reason is my work. Being a student of a Computer Science related discipline, I very often come across situations where knowing how to work Linux helps. Computer labs with Linux boxes, servers and clusters available for me to run my programs on etc. Though I managed to do what I needed to so far with limited knowledge and some newbie guides, the more you know the better.

In a nutshell, I will not even attempt to argue against those who say that any Linux distribution is vastly superior to XP or Vista in terms of functionality, availability, customizability, stability, (lack of) price, security etc (we all know how long this list is), but I also can't say that I will last long without at least one Windows PC in my house. You can do more with Linux, but I guess personally I can do more with XP and I'm hoping to change that by using Linux.

Nico-dk
December 19th, 2008, 09:38 PM
Sorry, I'm not reading 316 pages, sp I'll just jump in here with my reason for still using XP.

1) Graphics applications. Linux seriously needs a good graphics editor (This is posted befoire I've tried Krita. I'll be back to edit if that's any good)

2) Games. In Linux these may run as smooth as mexican tap water through a tourist, but the selection is too slim.

3) I'm a Linnux newbie. So far I like what I've seen, and the tweaking is all fun and games (until I break something).

doriard
December 22nd, 2008, 07:26 PM
It's not just about what's available now, but about the future. A gradual migration to Ubuntu will get you free of Microsoft -- their high prices, their forcing you to do things their way, their stifling the creativity of new developers, etc. The open software movement is gaining strength. You can now get many great applications for either Windows or Linux that are free -- like Open Office, Firefox, Ubuntu. Paid apps have their place, but if really good free applications are available, why not use them.

russo.mic
December 23rd, 2008, 09:09 AM
Amarok is pretty good, but the only thing it has over iTunes, in my opinion, is being able to fetch the lyrics of whatever song you're playing--though, that's a pretty awesome feature!

Any music player capable of playing non-DRM, open source, and lossless formats has something over iTunes.

I consider my FLACs a feature.

Russo

MikeTheC
December 23rd, 2008, 09:20 AM
@ If you have Windows XP, why do you use linux?

For the same reason you take medication if you're sick.

tsali
December 23rd, 2008, 01:09 PM
Any music player capable of playing non-DRM, open source, and lossless formats has something over iTunes.

I consider my FLACs a feature.

Russo

Sorry to inform you that iTunes IS capable of playing non-DRM, open source, and lossless formats with a couple of simple plugins.

Refer to: Fluke (http://earpick.cubicfruit.com/2008/05/15/fluke-play-flacs-in-itunes/), Xiphorous (http://www.vorbis.com/setup_osx/)

Frak
December 23rd, 2008, 05:25 PM
@ If you have Windows XP, why do you use linux?

For the same reason you take medication if you're sick.
You think the nurse is hot?

MikeTheC
December 23rd, 2008, 05:39 PM
You think the nurse is hot?

To trot... (or something like that :) )

sportscrazed2
December 23rd, 2008, 05:47 PM
the question you should ask is if you have linux why use windows xp? because it's free, secure, and won't degrade to 75% efficiency after 2 months use. and i don't have to pay $300 for a slightly improved version every 3 years

jdpearson
December 23rd, 2008, 09:02 PM
I've been working with computers/networks for 20 years now. I started in the Mac word and have, for the past 10 or so, been exclusively Windoze.

Linux has always fascinated me. Over the years we have used more and more Linux-based utilities/Live/Boot CDs to fix Windoze problems.

However, no Distro has ever impressed me as much as Ubuntu does. After playing with it for a week on my old spare notebook I decided that the best way to learn was to install it on my main PC.

So, I blew away Vista (which frustrates me but I don't hate) and installed Ubuntu.

Now, if I can accomplish everything I was doing with my former OS I might consider Ubuntu permanently. Furthermore, this is a test to see if it is a viable option for certain situations for my clients.

I like Ubuntu. I know that I will have to VirtualBox an XP or Vista Machine, but I'm looking forward to living with Ubuntu for some time now.

koffeinöverdos
December 23rd, 2008, 09:39 PM
Because I lost my XP product key. :(

r m h
December 23rd, 2008, 10:16 PM
single user mode

native filesystem manipulation - easily splitting and/or combining

dll hell vs shared libraries

an actual multi-user desktop system (simultaneous users)

a tried and true 64-bit desktop o/s that allows me to do more at the same time because I have 12 of 24 GB max of RAM in my desktop (multiple VMs, lots of data manipulation of huge data sets).

filesystem performance - try putting 12000+ files into a single NTFS filesystem. Think huge document management systems with hundreds of millions of documents.

fork()

simple but powerful commands that understand stdin, stdout, and stderr which you use to your advantage with pipes

TBomBM3879
December 23rd, 2008, 11:25 PM
Well in one sense, windows requires many programs running to keep it secure and stable, which takes away greatly from performance. Windows is also bloated, and nowhere near as customizable as I would like.

And in the other sense, linux is just simply more interesting!

I like tinkering and tweaking and tuning when it comes to computers, and linux lets me do just that...sometimes even forces me to.

hashime
December 24th, 2008, 12:26 AM
In my experience with my crappy machine the main reason I use Linux over XP is because of speed. Linux boots and is running Firefox and Thunderbird in the time it takes windows to display the log in window. I also enjoy the free aspect of almost every available Linux program as well.

rumba
December 24th, 2008, 09:54 AM
you can play windows games under linux using a free app called wine, but kinda like u need some experiance , here is for example a link for playin WOW under ubuntu
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft

Gray Beard
December 24th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Perhaps the kernel issue is not using one or the other but using both. GNU-Linux/Ubuntu is coming on strong but Windows isn't going away any time soon. Generally speaking, I believe that no knowledge is wasted. Quite often knowledge in one area will dovetail with and reinforce knowledge in another. And on the practical side, who's going to be more competitive in the job market,the person who knows one OS or the individual who knows two or more?

achilleas.k
December 24th, 2008, 05:26 PM
Completely agree with Gray Beard here!

Chrisj303
December 24th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Wobbly windows.

pgibson
December 27th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Freedom to create, use, and choose.

Linux is free and made well because it's the right thing to do, not because it's gonna make anyone rich. I like that attitude. Freedom

(I'm also very much addicted to multiple desktops.) :P

weblordpepe
December 27th, 2008, 07:34 PM
Wow this thread is ancient.

Windows XP is a desktop operating system. Linux is a kernel which fits inside many different types of systems for many different types of machines.

It's like apples & oranges.

mdsmedia
December 27th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Wow this thread is ancient.

Windows XP is a desktop operating system. Linux is a kernel which fits inside many different types of systems for many different types of machines.

It's like apples & oranges.
Would you prefer he explained it a little better, so you can understand the question?

I'll put in a way you can understand. If you use Windows XP desktop operating system, why do you use Linux desktop operating system?

solwic
December 27th, 2008, 09:37 PM
Would you prefer he explained it a little better, so you can understand the question?

I'll put in a way you can understand. If you use Windows XP desktop operating system, why do you use Linux desktop operating system?

I thought he was nitpicking a little bit, too.

To answer the overarching question, though: I use Linux because it's faster, safer, stabler, and much more customizable-er. :)

ShadowfoxXXX
December 28th, 2008, 09:21 PM
there are a lot... really

a few practical ones:
no viruses, adware, spyware... whatever all that is called
you don't need to reinstall, just keep upgrading. at least debian based distros such as ubuntu
stability. it just _is_ more stable.

and once you know more about linux, you'll realise that you can tweak it as you want it, customize it to your needs.

plus you don't support an unethical monopolistic company.

my suggestions if you play games: dual boot with windows (games) and ubuntu (everything else)
go here: ubuntuguide.org

but when you really think about it, Apple is MUCH MUCH more of a monopoly than Microsoft. I have no problems with Microsoft, It's just that there are certain things that windows can't do. And i got bored adn installed ubuntu.

ShadowfoxXXX
December 28th, 2008, 09:23 PM
WOBBLY WINDOWS IS F**KING AWESOME!!!! That's pretty much the main reason.

Mason Whitaker
December 28th, 2008, 09:25 PM
but when you really think about it, Apple is MUCH MUCH more of a monopoly than Microsoft. I have no problems with Microsoft, It's just that there are certain things that windows can't do. And i got bored adn installed ubuntu.

Depends on what you mean by "monopoly". You could say that apple has a monopoly on its operating system because they won't let it run on anything other than their machines. But going as far as saying that apple as a corporation is a bigger monopoly than Microsoft, is just a joke.

thomasr
December 29th, 2008, 02:02 AM
Here is a reason:
From Amazon.com
Microsoft Windows XP Professional FULL VERSION with SP2
Buy new: $299.99

Windows Vista Ultimate with SP1 (Windows Vista)
Buy new: $339.99 $249.99

BatsotO
December 29th, 2008, 02:24 PM
You know.. My customers think something is wrong with the system when I enable wobbly windows.
And Have tinyxp, does that count?

DocTorQue
December 29th, 2008, 03:49 PM
Well let me contribute to this one too...

Why linux???
I was asking this question for a long time. But yesterday i downloaded it and im sooo happy now :) hehe...
first boot was awesome...no single driver needed...my laptop worked out of the box. I have or can get all things(apps) i need (audio, video, ...) the other apps that runs only in win...i use program in linux called wine.So this means i can run .exe files in linux as well.
But here is a trick. Those app running in linux wont mess with registry(root) so this means :D :D :D :D :D :D one happy face.
and i can say bye bye to viruses trojans, attacks...and all that glory windows **** that M$ provided.
Reinstalling windows is needed on every 2-3 month. (from start it runs good, but just 1 single(wrong) click on app or virus and you are toasted.
for the first time using the linux i noticed...it runs MUCH faster, better.
+ i use PC for business. windows COST MONEY linux IS FREEEEEEE.
+ i dont have to mention the damn problems finding drivers for windows...it is a shame of M$.
+if you want to play games...well...wait for a year or 2. Every apps games will run in linux.
+M$ is locking software (no free usage) like having a wifi card that cant do some things in windows(but linux can) cos driver dont support...???WTF
+YOU SAVE MONEY you dont have to buy all that ****** addons, programs,etc. like security software(antivirus) to run system smooth...WTF??
+community in linux is very different, it means the people are much more willing to help
+NO BLUE SCREEN
+YOU WONT COMMIT A CRIME DOWNLOADING SOFTWARE
+,+,+,+,+,+,+,+
figure it by your self.MS is not soooooo good as you think it is...Well it is if you have $$$. Discrimination?? well yes...dividing people apart.
but if you dont have $$$ your downloaded apps are infected with viruses OR it is a crime to download-use it...

jesuspresley
December 29th, 2008, 04:36 PM
So it's my turn now huh?

Pro's:

Freedom to download and install so much Open Source software, and to customize my computer as I want to.
Experience - Learning how to maintain a Linux system. We have a linux server in our company, so using Ubuntu privately helps me understanding all the processes. Linux knowledge might free our company from a lot of licensing fees also.
Helping to develop a community. The choice between Windows and Linux might be a choice of taste for most users in western industrial countries because so many PCs are shipped with an included Windows system. But for anybody who can afford less it might be a choice between using or not using a computer.


Drawbacks:

Little professional commercial software [like Adobe CS, Traktor DJ-Mixing and more]. These programs do not have a decent alternative in Open Source yet.
Compatibilty with Windows sometimes lacks, or is difficult wo achieve. This is not always Ubuntu's fault. For example: It's annoying that I have to fiddle around with a PPTP VPN connection to a windows server for so long. But I will succeed soon, I know ;).

NoSmokingBandit
December 30th, 2008, 03:41 AM
+YOU WONT COMMIT A CRIME DOWNLOADING SOFTWARE


Pardon me, but people like you just **** me off. How hard is it to understand that there is free software available for windows? Most of this free windows software is even better than its linux counterpart.
•Kristal kicks the crap out of any linux recording program.
•VideoSpin is great for amateur video editing, a hobby linux has yet to address.
•Gimp is on both windows and linux, plus windows users can use paint.net, which is very nice.
•CDBurnerXP works just like GnomeBaker or K3B. Not really much of a difference in features here.

Of course there are the usuals like Firefox/Thunderbird, Pidgin, OOo, and others. When you use windows all you need to buy is windows, i dont understand why people think FOSS only exists on linux....

Tomatz
December 31st, 2008, 12:28 AM
Pardon me, but people like you just **** me off. How hard is it to understand that there is free software available for windows? Most of this free windows software is even better than its linux counterpart.
•Kristal kicks the crap out of any linux recording program.
•VideoSpin is great for amateur video editing, a hobby linux has yet to address.
•Gimp is on both windows and linux, plus windows users can use paint.net, which is very nice.
•CDBurnerXP works just like GnomeBaker or K3B. Not really much of a difference in features here.

Of course there are the usuals like Firefox/Thunderbird, Pidgin, OOo, and others. When you use windows all you need to buy is windows, i dont understand why people think FOSS only exists on linux....

Paint .net IS now available for linux:

http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/

;)

It is a nice app. I like it on windows also.

Tomatz
December 31st, 2008, 12:30 AM
BTW k3b has far more features than cdburner xp pro and you can even get nero for linux now with full blu ray support. Cant fault you on the multimedia editing though but thats why people buy mac's ;)

NoSmokingBandit
December 31st, 2008, 04:44 AM
Paint .net IS now available for linux:

http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/

;)

It is a nice app. I like it on windows also.
Did not know this. I hate the Gimp so i will be installing this very quickly :D

BTW k3b has far more features than cdburner xp pro and you can even get nero for linux now with full blu ray support. Cant fault you on the multimedia editing though but thats why people buy mac's ;)
I've not used K3B much because its always crashed on me so i use gnomebaker. For the most part though, people just need something that writes data and music cds. I actually use Ashampoo. I just like it for some reason.
My point stillstands though, there is just as much free software available for windows as there is linux and i hate it when people assume that when you run windows you must buy Nero, (random a/v software here), photoshop, MS Office, etc...

n0rth3rnlight
December 31st, 2008, 10:47 AM
and once you know more about linux, you'll realise that you can tweak it as you want it, customize it to your needs.

I'm an n00b and i even has found ways to customize the panels in ways that i never could in OS X and Win Xp and Vista...

lfever
January 1st, 2009, 12:55 AM
Why use Linux when you have Win XP? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm To mention a few reasons: Well what happens when Micro$oft no longer supports XP? More $ for the next version of Window$ for one, as well as the possibly of having to upgrade your win box and hardware sooner than need be. Plus all of the great software that is available at no cost :)

Now what to do with all of those $$$$$ saved? Well if I liked to play games, I would buy a PS3 with a fantastic if not the best Blue Ray Player to watch some great flicks :popcorn: or an Xbox360 and guess what, you can run Linux on both of these machines.

But this is just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions:redface:

masque7
January 1st, 2009, 02:27 AM
Why use Linux when you have Win XP? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm To mention a few reasons: Well what happens when Micro$oft no longer supports XP? More $ for the next version of Window$ for one, as well as the possibly of having to upgrade your win box and hardware sooner than need be. Plus all of the great software that is available at no cost :)

Now what to do with all of those $$$$$ saved? Well if I liked to play games, I would buy a PS3 with a fantastic if not the best Blue Ray Player to watch some great flicks :popcorn: or an Xbox360 and guess what, you can run Linux on both of these machines.

But this is just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions:redface:
So you refer to them as "M$" yet you would still buy a 360 even though it'll either scratch your discs/ring of death?

Least Microsoft's operating systems don't wreck your actual hardware

NightwishFan
January 1st, 2009, 02:48 AM
I use Linux for I believe the NT kernel is inferior to the Linux Kernel. Linux has more potential, and I trust it.

s3a
January 1st, 2009, 02:51 AM
When you use Windows for over a year, it starts to slow down while with Linux the speed doesn't decrease due to the way Linux is built.

lesterness
January 1st, 2009, 09:12 AM
Windows has WAY too many viruses. Also, I hate giant monopoly corporations, like Microsoft, Walmart, etc.

Rrasyrogenees
January 1st, 2009, 11:57 AM
i won't bash the people who made money by finding gullible people... if you don't like the way they treat the gullible people then become a teacher and teach those gullible people the truth. that won't last long though, gullible people are that way because they want to ignore the truth and pay extra for the deceptions. i personally admire some of those hotshot money makers like bill gates but only in so much that he was smart enough to get all the support behind him (more money grubbers but don't we all want a little more if we can get it?). i do believe i am over exaggerating some but i hope you get my point... we can beat the big guys by teaching the little guys the truth about things... Linux and all the distributions are the best for an OS and why not show those that don't know or realize they are being duped, a little truth that Linux shows. i have been wanting to change to Linux since i got my first computer built for me 8 years ago but since i had trouble learning windows... i decided i might want to wait until i understood what i could do with a computer. oh by the way... i just turned 41 at that time and i didn't realize that my brain was as messed up as it was. i seemed to have been "technically challenged" at that time. but i'm glad i stuck with it and now i delve into ubuntu with intrepid ibex (installed it only a few days ago although i did try ubuntu about a year ago and my head was still not together yet). and in a few years i WILL be teaching all that i can about linux to the uninformed (letting them pick the distro they want) but i will have the ubuntu disks handy to offer :lolflag:

i plan to enjoy this ride and i am hoping i can figure out how to nuke windows from my computer soon so 'my' ubuntu won't catch anything nasty from it :biggrin:

award982
January 1st, 2009, 12:04 PM
micro$hit,not micro$oft

tux rulez forever


why i use linux? couse its wayyy beter and i dual boot only for some programs

tux4ever:P

joshmuffin
January 1st, 2009, 12:11 PM
I think he has enough reasons but ill add:
(and sorry if its been said)
[other then game] WHAT CAN'T UBUNTU/LINUX DO THAT WINDOWS CAN???
and sure that would make them equal but...Ubuntu can do it all for free!!.


UBUNTU FTW

weblordpepe
January 1st, 2009, 03:04 PM
Would you prefer he explained it a little better, so you can understand the question?

I'll put in a way you can understand. If you use Windows XP desktop operating system, why do you use Linux desktop operating system?
My answer is valid! XP is a desktop PC OS ONLY but Linux and POSIX/GNU is so expansive that your 'linux desktop OS' has enormous capability.

For example: Performance is gained because the kernel can't assume it has heaps of resources available.

It is very much an apples and oranges situation. XP is a collection of MS platforms put together. You cant pick which platform you want inside the OS.

Linux is just the kernel - there are multiple platforms to choose from (E.g KDE or Gnome. Alsa or Pulse. Python or Java)

The list goes on. The point is that GNU/Linux desktop systems are a collection of different platforms put together. XP is in a way, just one distro. Linux has loads of distros available.

Tomatz
January 1st, 2009, 03:46 PM
micro$hit,not micro$oft

tux rulez forever


why i use linux? couse its wayyy beter and i dual boot only for some programs

tux4ever:P

LOL sig! Not the bsd part, the link ;)

jesusprice
January 1st, 2009, 05:45 PM
I began using ubuntu because xp was unreliable on my desktop. I would always get the bluescreen of death and my system would randomly restart. But with ubuntu my desktop system is more stable and I only reboot when I want too.

jesusprice
January 1st, 2009, 05:57 PM
double post

Gryph3n
January 2nd, 2009, 02:56 AM
School requires me to use windows to run certain programs for my programming and networking classes. I want to do well in these classes so I use windows, because it is what is used in the classroom. There is a bit of a learning curve for Ubuntu and its variations, so I conform to eliminate the learning curve since programming is already difficult enough as it is, and I am still fairly new to Ubuntu. I can use the summers to figure out the learning curve and how to adapt the same things I learned in class to the Linux environment.

kelargo
January 2nd, 2009, 04:44 PM
is there a linux client for "logmein" ?

wolfdale
January 2nd, 2009, 05:06 PM
I wanted to see what all the excitement was about regarding Ubuntu. After 6 months of playing with Hardy and Intrepid, I'm a convert. I still keep XP for gaming.

thelugnut
January 2nd, 2009, 06:37 PM
The same reason I own a Ford and a Mercedes Benz. I drive the Mercedes most of the time for pleasure and reliability. I use the Ford for hauling crap.

jleewach
January 2nd, 2009, 06:43 PM
The same reason I own a Ford and a Mercedes Benz. I drive the Mercedes most of the time for pleasure and reliability. I use the Ford for hauling crap.

great quote! I use both operating systems because I respect what each has to offer. Unlike lots of people who use Linux, I love Windows. Always have. I just like to run Linux at times too. Depends on what mood I'm in. It's good to have choice. I'd run osx if I could, but alas, I cannot afford a darn mac.

award982
January 2nd, 2009, 07:00 PM
LOL sig! Not the bsd part, the link ;)


so youve noticed :D:D

award982
January 2nd, 2009, 07:02 PM
I think he has enough reasons but ill add:
(and sorry if its been said)
[other then game] WHAT CAN'T UBUNTU/LINUX DO THAT WINDOWS CAN???
and sure that would make them equal but...Ubuntu can do it all for free!!.


UBUNTU FTW


yeahl lol :D

holdie
January 2nd, 2009, 07:06 PM
The same reason I own a Ford and a Mercedes Benz. I drive the Mercedes most of the time for pleasure and reliability. I use the Ford for hauling crap.

I totally agree (if I understand you correctly)...linux is fun to play around with and do things that windows/osx cannot, but it seems to be lacking the polish and stability that I want for doing actual work

as some examples, openoffice is a great program, but has a lot of formatting issues when you export it to a .doc and then edit in MSword (which I have to do)

and one of my biggest problems with ubuntu almost from day 1: no pdf editing...kinda sucks since I have to highlight and take notes on PDFs every day

until these, and a lot of other things are fixed, I'll still use windows when I put my serious face on, but linux is still great for (almost) everything else

xc1024
January 2nd, 2009, 07:21 PM
I totally agree (if I understand you correctly)...linux is fun to play around with and do things that windows/osx cannot, but it seems to be lacking the polish [...]

if you mean "polish" as "finishing off", then you are right. linux is never "polished", because it is supposed to give you opportunity to polish it yourself. the advantage of this is that you can have exactly what you need and want.

sendblink23
January 2nd, 2009, 11:53 PM
great quote! I use both operating systems because I respect what each has to offer. Unlike lots of people who use Linux, I love Windows. Always have. I just like to run Linux at times too. Depends on what mood I'm in. It's good to have choice. I'd run osx if I could, but alas, I cannot afford a darn mac.



YES YOU CAN RUN OSX (Tiger or Leopard) on your PC Machine, its called Hackint0sh... it all depends on what your Computer System has so it can handle it... Just search in Youtube: PC running Leopard

And yes you can TRIPLE BOOT Linux/Windows/Mac

Frak
January 3rd, 2009, 12:08 AM
YES YOU CAN RUN OSX (Tiger or Leopard) on your PC Machine, its called Hackint0sh... it all depends on what your Computer System has so it can handle it... Just search in Youtube: PC running Leopard

And yes you can TRIPLE BOOT Linux/Windows/Mac
Yes, but that isn't legal yet until Apple is proven wrong by the courts on the use of their EULA. Therefore, running OS X on a regular computer is considered illegal.

fyra
January 3rd, 2009, 01:25 AM
I bought an ex-lease laptop, with no OS. My first experience with a laptop.
I tried to install windows XP. Couldn't (Slipstreamed disk without the right HD driver, couldn't find original disk to make a new one.)

Installed Ubuntu. Laptop worked great right out of box, including all the odd things laptops need that PCs don't (power management drivers etc. Had some problems with proprietary ATI driver, so gave up on Ubuntu.

Installed XP after a lot of mucking around, only to find that XP doesn't ship with all the laptop drivers I need, and that Acer only supplies them for Vista. About 20 hours of frustration later, everything is working but I'm still not happy. Little things are annoying me, like not being able to use the right hand side of the touch pad to scroll up/down, and XP performing a bit slow (You'd think with a dual core pentium and 2gb ram, it would be okay after a fresh install :s)

So I put Ubuntu back on, figured out how to get the proprietary ATi driver going, and am happy.

SO in short, I use Ubuntu over XP because I found (with one sole exception) Ubuntu to be easier to install, easier to find all the drivers and get them working.

Weird turnaround for the linux community maybe? Now if I could only figure out how to use the svn command I'd be set :s

Tomatz
January 3rd, 2009, 09:53 AM
I bought an ex-lease laptop, with no OS. My first experience with a laptop.
I tried to install windows XP. Couldn't (Slipstreamed disk without the right HD driver, couldn't find original disk to make a new one.)

Installed Ubuntu. Laptop worked great right out of box, including all the odd things laptops need that PCs don't (power management drivers etc. Had some problems with proprietary ATI driver, so gave up on Ubuntu.

Installed XP after a lot of mucking around, only to find that XP doesn't ship with all the laptop drivers I need, and that Acer only supplies them for Vista. About 20 hours of frustration later, everything is working but I'm still not happy. Little things are annoying me, like not being able to use the right hand side of the touch pad to scroll up/down, and XP performing a bit slow (You'd think with a dual core pentium and 2gb ram, it would be okay after a fresh install :s)

So I put Ubuntu back on, figured out how to get the proprietary ATi driver going, and am happy.

SO in short, I use Ubuntu over XP because I found (with one sole exception) Ubuntu to be easier to install, easier to find all the drivers and get them working.

Weird turnaround for the linux community maybe? Now if I could only figure out how to use the svn command I'd be set :s


man svn

jerzydirtracer
January 4th, 2009, 03:38 AM
Actually I like reliability. This is why I own Fords and use Ubuntu. Like windows, even Marcedies crash and burn.

mikeize
January 4th, 2009, 04:42 AM
I keep a stripped down XP partition PURELY for gaming (but mostly I play Nexuiz in Ubuntu). I picked up Ubuntu out of pure curiosity, but what I like about it in no particular order:
-free
-cool philosophy
-nice "feel" to it
-security
-free tech support
-customization

I never really had malware problems with windows... BUT the few times that I DID have them, they were devastating! I'm talking reformat. Even though I've had to reinstall Ubuntu a few times because I broke it somehow, I never had to pay for it, or deal with "validation" issues.

I'm so comfortable in Ubuntu/Gnome now that I am much happier using it than XP--which honestly ran great for me (oh yes, Ubuntu crashes at LEAST as much as XP ever did). Anytime I have to deal with a computer with Vista installed I just want to scream!

award982
January 4th, 2009, 08:35 AM
Yes, but that isn't legal yet until Apple is proven wrong by the courts on the use of their EULA. Therefore, running OS X on a regular computer is considered illegal.

hey could you post a link plz??? i cant find it:confused:

Frak
January 4th, 2009, 09:08 AM
hey could you post a link plz??? i cant find it:confused:
Well, Apple's EULA is in any Apple software concerning OS X. For the EULA legality part, you'll have to check your countries laws. The US, at the moment, considers Apple's EULA to be enforceable. Countries in parts of Europe and Asia consider Apple's EULA to be non-enforceable. Psystar is now butting heads with Apple to see who's right in the case of whether or not Apple's EULA is legally enforceable in the United States.

I can't find a link off hand though.

satellitex86
January 5th, 2009, 05:50 AM
Basically I dont see any advantages to using linux over windows xp, Im dual booting windows and ubuntu. Ubuntu is nice and all but I dont see anything that would make me prefer it over windows.The only thing i have been using ubuntu for is web browsing playing music/movies (cant play games) which I can do better/hassle free in windows.

So what are the advantages of l using linux over xp?

Hi,

My reason is that I can't get XP to install on this laptop, even though it was shipped with XP on it.

Rather ironic I think . . .

I had to format and then the installation froze. So 20 + tries later, I gave up on Windows and busted out my Ubuntu disks.
I had a little trouble with the Pulseaudio, but resolved that quickly and found no other problems.

Win XP -- Installation freezes
Win 2k -- No graphics support, no wireless, and no audio
I have Win 9x, but that would have been a waste of time

When I need XP there is always VirtualBox. That works for me.

Laibcoms
January 5th, 2009, 06:49 AM
Why do you want to triple boot Linux/OS X/Windows?? Isn't it better to have 2 PCs side-by-side?

IMO, dual-booting is more than enough. You dual-boot the system with the OS that you will use less of the three. In my case, that is Windows.

Dual-boot Linux/Windows, with Linux as the main OS; Windows is my less used OS (for very very special cases only)
Then I have a Mac. (Which I'll probably dual-boot with Linux, for experimentation purposes - I want to learn how to dual-boot Mac/Linux :p )

This way, if I'm creating websites, I can use PC-Linux, while on my Mac, I'm doing graphics or some other heavy extensive job. Now regarding playing games, most of the games I play are playable under Linux. If not, then I switch to Windows or I just run it under Mac (so I still have Linux active - again less Windows the better).

Just my opinion ;)

award982
January 5th, 2009, 10:42 AM
well,as much as i like linux,i still have to dual boot windows,becouse of programs and programmingf learning since idk how to make programs in linux.but if there would be a verry good emulator of some sort (no thanks,i dont "drink" wine emulator)then i would definately say :

- GOODBYE WINDOWS

and after i have formatted my hdd and installed linux all over it then i would also say:

-HY TUX< WELCOME TO MY PC!!! (well,theres still sthench from windows,but i will clean it up later :D )

masque7
January 5th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Hi,

My reason is that I can't get XP to install on this laptop, even though it was shipped with XP on it.

Rather ironic I think . . .

I had to format and then the installation froze. So 20 + tries later, I gave up on Windows and busted out my Ubuntu disks.
I had a little trouble with the Pulseaudio, but resolved that quickly and found no other problems.

Win XP -- Installation freezes
Win 2k -- No graphics support, no wireless, and no audio
I have Win 9x, but that would have been a waste of time

When I need XP there is always VirtualBox. That works for me.
It's strange that your laptop shipped with XP, yet Win2k offers no driver support. Thought whatever drivers worked on XP worked on Win2k?

I know what you mean though, sometimes when a computer needs a reinstall, and in my experience I'm talking old computers, you just can't find the drivers that they had on them to begin with because Windows users don't exactly stick around hosting drivers over 6-7 years old.

mcpetersen.dsm
January 6th, 2009, 01:22 AM
Linux is growing up fast, which makes it exciting to be part of. It does 95% of what I need to do. And, best of all, it takes me out of living life as a source of perpetual revenue for Microsoft (and any other proprietary OS and software maker).

sbentjies
January 6th, 2009, 03:18 AM
Because I can learn, because my machine runs twice as fast with Ubuntu as it does XP, and because it's FUN and FREE.

smurfgod
January 6th, 2009, 07:35 AM
when i had xp(pro sp3)it crashed all the time...know,im not talking about the blue screen of death.but it would just restart for no perticular reason.and i just got sick and tired of it.i downloaded red hat 9,burnt tha,and never installed it.then i ran across a txt about ubuntu,did some looking and some research and bam..im here.i dual booted for about a week but know im just straight linux and love it.will never go back.ohh..and the penguin is freakin awesome.


smurf :D

sirdrakey
January 6th, 2009, 09:06 AM
This very forum is one of many reasons to switch you feels as tho you are apart of a community not the masses all having the same windows sp1 issue [that is when i started looking] got a taste with foxfire then my old computer was slowing down with every update. I had a new computer, so I got a new drive and tried it. The live cd helped my fears go away. I'm not going to bash other OSs but releasing beta or alpha code to the world and waiting 6 months to fix it is not the way to do business, and the best way to change something is with your buying power. I like something I give it money! that is how the world works and i like it. Don't like the movie, don't buy it. Don't like the OS get another. Don't allow them to sell only coke or pepsi if you want RC then buy it! Tell others start a movement. So many just buy vanilla because everyone has it! Use your brain if you buy what everybody else has. Do it because you wanted to. It will do the best for you.

Feel the Ubuntu! Taste the Ubuntu!

networm1230
January 6th, 2009, 09:38 AM
Because I can learn, because my machine runs twice as fast with Ubuntu as it does XP, and because it's FUN and FREE.

yes! you are right I had windows xp it crashed so i installed Linux instead my Linux has not crashed yet and it is faster xp slows down over time Linux dos ant seem to slow down at all. I like Linux because it it open sores i can make copy's of Linux wan i wish and modify it as i wish and when ever i wont

Gnostabuntu
January 6th, 2009, 09:47 AM
When a Community of minds is there to push something rather then some $$, Things tend to ACTUALLY be better, not just assumed to be.

award982
January 6th, 2009, 01:13 PM
i think that linux is better than windows,the problem is its not popular enough to have all programs that u need,er example if i need games or software i am not able to find some on linux,but i allmost allways use it,i use xp just in special cases if i need something

insanestorm
January 11th, 2009, 05:58 AM
Well I am new to linux. But so far i have not found anything I can do on windows that I can't do on linux, Sure sometimes it takes a little research to get something to work. but Linux can do so much more the Windows that it is worth learning. I just live here in the forum reading up so that I can learn more. Trust me it is worth it to keep resaerching those games, You will find that not only can you play your games now but that the games linux has can be altered and made better where the windows games are stuck to whaat they are. learn Your stuff man it is worth the hassle.

dinofelis
January 11th, 2009, 09:35 AM
There is a bunch of (mainly scientific) software which doesn't exist under windows.

I was born under CP/M in the 80-ies, and grew up with a mac in the 90-ies. Then I worked mainly with UNIX systems, where I really learned a lot. Next, for professional reasons, I had to switch to windows, and I have to say, it was, for the smallest amount of money, a reasonable thing (way cheaper than a mac).
However, there was a lot of stuff missing (or I never learned it) under windows. Quick and dirty automatisation using shell programming for instance, when you have some chore to do. Specific searching using regular expressions and grep and so on. There's a lot you can do on a unix-style machine in just half an hour which I don't know how to do on a windows machine.
Now that linux is pretty user-friendly (especially with distributions such as Ubuntu), I have to say I use it more and more. Some (professional) applications that I have under windows, or some small utilities that I have under windows, I still use under windows. And browsing or reading my mail goes just as well under windows as under linux.
But from the moment I have to do some data processing on a bunch of funny text files with a self-written C program or the like, I prefer by far doing that under linux: it is much more flexible to do so, and I can automate tasks much easier and faster than if I had to do it under windows.
And, I like the free aspect of it (not only free in free of $$, but free in the sense of free to do what you want).

Citosicarius
January 11th, 2009, 05:48 PM
I'd honestly dump Windows entirely if it weren't for lack of game support/lack of good ATI drivers on Linux.


Great points, I love the live CD part, I've used it MANY times to revive dead systems and restore valuable data when windows couldn't touch it, now if only there were more games made for linux.. darnit.. we gotta' band together and push the game devs.. not that they care or have the resources, what with everyone these days making games for xbox, ps3, wii, psp, windows and whatnot.. who has the time for a linux port.. oh well.. one can wish!

berteipc
January 12th, 2009, 05:23 PM
I post on my blog how you can install Oracle SQL Developer in Ubuntu!!!

In the normal installation there's a problem i create a scritp to resolve.

Do you can work with linux and a Gui Sql on lINUX!!!

For you:
http://fucinatecnica.blogspot.com/

mb

Ian Tell
January 12th, 2009, 09:35 PM
do you know how to get rid off windows, because i have just installed Ubuntu!!! Am new so i thank you for the answer!
Btw, i have as you know now two OS's!!!
thanks in advance!!!

Costas100
February 12th, 2009, 08:10 PM
This conversation has been going on since 2005. I couldn't resist the temptation to place a reply here:
I am a person who is over 70 years old, user of computers since the first days of a large box without hard disk and at the best two A drives 64 k ea. Then graduated to windows 3 , 95, 98 and lately the XP and last (forced upon me by the cooperation of retail stores with the large multinationals) Vista. I still use Windows but only in dual boot with Ubuntu. I started using Ubuntu about two years ago and every day I am getting closer of getting rid of all windows and use only Ubuntu.
I have two set ups one Ubuntu with XP, where XP crashes almost on a regular basis and Ubuntu never crashed. The second is the real fun. A new computer where I installed Ubuntu over Vista. In the last 3 or 4 months I used vista less than 10 times. A couple of days ago Vista crashed and I cannot bring it back to life. So I decided that this is enough (at least with Vista). My Ubuntu will soon expand to take the full 500 GB of this new computer (I may actually install medibuntu as a dual boot with ubuntu or in the same drive - I have to check what is recommended, so that I can get rid of XP as well).
So my friends keep up the very good work for UBUNTU, at the very least in those rather difficult days for mankind we promote the message A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others. Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)

mamamia88
February 12th, 2009, 08:16 PM
i just prefer to totally customize my experience and ubuntu lets me do that for the most part

networm1230
February 13th, 2009, 07:53 AM
Linux is made by the people not by a big company. Thank you Richard Stallman for open source software.

binarypill
February 13th, 2009, 09:39 AM
It's the intelligent decision on my part. Free myself from dependency on a big, sales and profit driven company. Educate myself about a more accessible, more reliable and more community driven operating system. Establish myself not only as a common button-pusher but as someone who knows what is going on behind the buttons (virtual or not).

Of the three, the last one is proving to be the most difficult but it is the most entertaining.

Grukmuck
February 13th, 2009, 10:06 AM
one day i decided to type into google "alternate operating system" and found ubuntu. i didnt have to read too much into it to decide that i wanted it. the big deciding factor for me was that it was free. not just in cost, but having the source code there to manipulate at will. now, i dont know anything about programming or coding or anything like that, but the fact that if i so choose, i can play with it and do what i want with it was a huge deal to me. im still new linux, and im still dual booting with M$ Windoze ><Pee, but once i got my wireless working (grr) i pretty much dont boot into ><Pee. im still dont have sound, and thats the only reason i dont boot into Ubuntu, is to watch videos on the net or play music. i love the customization in ubuntu, granted, you can customize ><Pee, but not to the extent of linux. i read some of the posts here talking about converting ppl to ubuntu, and i havent converted one yet, but only because im not comfortable enough to be able to troubleshoot any problems they have, but i have fallen head over heals in love with it, and always tell everyone aboiut it, and how awesome it is.

i suppose i use ><Pee for more than just interweb vids and music, my school uses it, and in my networking class we arent learning anything about linux so i have to use ><Pee to learn. same thing with my other IT class, very little (mostly none) linux and all ><Pee.


-gruk

Bonsanto
February 13th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Is true, snse I installed Ubuntu I got many many problems, Ubuntu is good but It got many problems.

Problems of Ubuntu:

1.- My system crashes.
2.- I got many "initramfs" bugs in the start of ubuntu.
3.- I got many many times "fsk" bugs.
4.- I can't open many firefox becouse It makes my system crash.
5.- If I listen music and play freecell, It makes my system crash.
6.- I get many problems when I try to install something. Becouse If it crashes It makes Ubuntu delete a "lib" things, So I have to reinsall all the OS again (I have done 9 times).
7.- I have been looking for the "crash solution" for 1 week and nothing was found.
8.- In WIndows XP, my system dosen't crash, I can leave my pc turned on for weeks and no crash. But in Ubuntu 2 programs = crash.
9.- People said "try with no acpi" I don't know where to type that comand, is too much genereic isn't especific.

If Ubuntu wouldn't crash I could migrate totally to It, But No I have to still with windows Xp the NO crashing OS. If I get a solution I will migrate totally.

JEDIDIAH
February 13th, 2009, 05:23 PM
I think the real question should be: Why do you still bother with Windows?

That last fellow alluded to some hardware problems. Being something other
than the "market leader" OS, Linux is bound to have more issues with driver
level compatability than Windows. A PC is just a random collection of spare
parts. Some rolls of the dice might take better to Linux than others.

Beyond that, what's left really? What's "missing"?

Answer this and you've got a nice TODO list for Mark.

I would like to see the Linux video editors improved. One use case that
doesn't seem to be up to par is the creation of simple little A/V mixes
like you might find on Youtube. Avidemux could also use some shoring up.
It's handling of MPEG2 transport files and h264 files could be improved.

Anything in a stock Mac or Dell PC should be covered.

pol666
February 13th, 2009, 05:25 PM
The question should be "If you have linux, why do you use windows xp?" for me. Because, I use more Ubuntu than XP, anyway, I'm fine with both OS.

itendo
February 13th, 2009, 05:49 PM
but the reason why i started using linux in the first place was because windows breaks every few months. so one time, instead of reformatting, i installed linux and ive been using it ever since. its more stable, faster, lets you do more with your computer, hell of a lot more fun, looks better and has practically 0 security issues.

same here for a dell700m (laptop). only issue is battery life. i wish the power management tweaks were immediately familiar, but evetually i found them all.

fidamehran
February 14th, 2009, 07:21 AM
Is true, snse I installed Ubuntu I got many many problems, Ubuntu is good but It got many problems.

Problems of Ubuntu:

1.- My system crashes.
2.- I got many "initramfs" bugs in the start of ubuntu.
3.- I got many many times "fsk" bugs.
4.- I can't open many firefox becouse It makes my system crash.
5.- If I listen music and play freecell, It makes my system crash.
6.- I get many problems when I try to install something. Becouse If it crashes It makes Ubuntu delete a "lib" things, So I have to reinsall all the OS again (I have done 9 times).
7.- I have been looking for the "crash solution" for 1 week and nothing was found.
8.- In WIndows XP, my system dosen't crash, I can leave my pc turned on for weeks and no crash. But in Ubuntu 2 programs = crash.
9.- People said "try with no acpi" I don't know where to type that comand, is too much genereic isn't especific.

If Ubuntu wouldn't crash I could migrate totally to It, But No I have to still with windows Xp the NO crashing OS. If I get a solution I will migrate totally.


Which Version of Ubuntu are you using? I think it's better for you to install the latest Ubuntu (8.10 now). I haven't seen any such problems here.
The "initramfs" kind of problems occur, as far as I know, when the installation CD is corrupted.
I might be wrong, because I am a newbie too.
Anyway, I think you can download a fresh copy of Ubuntu 8.10 installer, check the checksum to be sure if the download is okay, burn it to CD and install.
You can try even installing through Wubi from inside Windows, just to get a feel until you get used to it in month or years duration.

Bödvar
February 14th, 2009, 07:28 AM
Is true, snse I installed Ubuntu I got many many problems, Ubuntu is good but It got many problems.

Problems of Ubuntu:

1.- My system crashes.
2.- I got many "initramfs" bugs in the start of ubuntu.
3.- I got many many times "fsk" bugs.
4.- I can't open many firefox becouse It makes my system crash.
5.- If I listen music and play freecell, It makes my system crash.
6.- I get many problems when I try to install something. Becouse If it crashes It makes Ubuntu delete a "lib" things, So I have to reinsall all the OS again (I have done 9 times).
7.- I have been looking for the "crash solution" for 1 week and nothing was found.
8.- In WIndows XP, my system dosen't crash, I can leave my pc turned on for weeks and no crash. But in Ubuntu 2 programs = crash.
9.- People said "try with no acpi" I don't know where to type that comand, is too much genereic isn't especific.

If Ubuntu wouldn't crash I could migrate totally to It, But No I have to still with windows Xp the NO crashing OS. If I get a solution I will migrate totally.

That was also my problem. When I first installed 8.10 I couldn't have two programs open, and the computer will crash. I could also not listen to any music. And when I had two firefox tabs open, computer crashed. I had to go through trouble to access a Win XP computer to search these forums for solutions. In the end I found it all, but fact is that it caused me a lot of stress and wasted my time.

Although my system is running smoothly now, I will not go through all the manual configurations a person has to do again. When I have the chance, I will go back to a Windows OS, just have to save money for a couple of months.

fidamehran
February 14th, 2009, 07:41 AM
Well, the thing is, every time a new version comes out, there are some things that need a set-in. After you give the set-in time (and sometimes you don't even need to write a single command), everything settles down.
I had some problems like Firefox crashing without notice, Firefox maximizing to the point that I cannot restore it, inappropriate disk partition types not allowing to install new kernels..... so on and on and on.
I gave some time. Now everything is fixed.
I am continuing Ubuntu for eveything else, except Game (Windows XP is still greatest and only good OS for games {vista takes too much memory to spare memory for the memory hogging games today})
If you know how to use the Synaptic Package Manager, and if you take some time to browse through the forums, you can find GUI alternatives to command line software installing and use. I use all GUI applications in Ubuntu. Browsing, Emailing, Sound Editing, Video Editing, Photo Editing, DVD watching, DivX watching, regular downloading, Torrent downloading, and not to mention, the visual effects !!! Stunning !!!

Well, it's your choice, what OS you want to use. Who can impose anything on you,when you have a mindset? Everyone should use what suits them best.

id1337x
February 14th, 2009, 09:13 AM
Windows costs hundreds of dollars and it does not respect my freedom as a human being.

jomiolto
February 14th, 2009, 10:05 AM
Linux is easier to use and I feel more comfortable with it, so of course I use it ^_^

Bonsanto
February 14th, 2009, 02:15 PM
Well My UBuntu is 8.10.

ANd that's lie UBuntu isn't easier than WIndows, and example is whn I try to install something:

1.- In WIndows I just run an .exe and done.
2.- In linux are lot and lot cof commands (I couldn't understand so I can't install anything).
3.- To install something in Windows you can do it manually and is easy to udnerstand, here is too much complex.
4.- If you ask soemthing in WIndow's forums you get an answer WITH SOLUTION in 2 mins, here in this forum I have 5 threads with my problem and nobody helped me.
5.- I think LInux is a complex OS, WIndows is easier.
6.- WIndows is slower than Ubuntu (Is true) Ubuntu 200x WIndows.
7.- WIndows Never crashes UBuntu does everytime.

LINUX ISN'T EASY iS VERY VERY COMPLEX, AND GNOME IS MORE COMPLEX.

fidamehran
February 14th, 2009, 03:31 PM
Well My UBuntu is 8.10.

ANd that's lie UBuntu isn't easier than WIndows, and example is whn I try to install something:

1.- In WIndows I just run an .exe and done.


I am also used to run the .exe in Windows to install something. And, I also don't like giving so many commands to run installer. But,..... But, Linux has a different way of installing softwares. In fact, there are two.

1. You can go to "System-->Administrator-->Synaptic Package Manager" or "Applications-->Add/Remove" to get list of THOUSANDS of software. All you have to do is mark (checkbox) them for installation. You can even check >1 softwares. As soon as you click Apply, they install.

2. You can download ".deb" installers from the internet (one good resource is "www.getdeb.net"). Then you can run the .deb file. It will install just like the Windows .exe's.



2.- In linux are lot and lot cof commands (I couldn't understand so I can't install anything).

As I already said, I also don't like commands. So, check the No.1 answer.



3.- To install something in Windows you can do it manually and is easy to udnerstand, here is too much complex.


Check Answer No.1



4.- If you ask soemthing in WIndow's forums you get an answer WITH SOLUTION in 2 mins, here in this forum I have 5 threads with my problem and nobody helped me.


True. People here are cooperative, but also busy answering other people's threads. There are many more lost people like me (yes, me). So, they help us out. Give them some time, they'll help you.



5.- I think LInux is a complex OS, WIndows is easier.


I completely agree. No one said Linux is easy. They only said, it is more versatile. And free, free of cost, free to modify and explore. Windows is a very good OS for easy computing.



6.- WIndows is slower than Ubuntu (Is true) Ubuntu 200x WIndows.


There you go...



7.- WIndows Never crashes UBuntu does everytime.

Oh, come on, there are some things that need to settle in before Ubuntu works properly. That's it.



LINUX ISN'T EASY iS VERY VERY COMPLEX, AND GNOME IS MORE COMPLEX.

Linux isn't easy, but not very complex. Gnome? Complex? Gnome is a desktop environment only. Meaning, like Theme in Windows, It's the way the Menu's will look, the way the icons and windows will look, the way the desktop effects will work, etc. etc. You don;t need to think about Gnome at all. Because you don't consciously interact with it. In other words there is no need to tinker with it. So, it is not an enemy at all.

Now a few words of mine. I come from a developing country, where Proprietary softwares are well out of reach for regular people. Spending 400$ on a Windows and 400$ on an Office Suite, 80$ on an Antivirus, 500$ on Image Editing software is a nightmare for us.

We live on Pirated software. Pirated Windows XP, Pirated Windows Vista, Pirated MS Office, Pirated Antivirus software. Getting good quality genuine material which is far better than the software costing thousands is a gift to us.

I'm not much of a Linux developer. I don't think I'll ever be. But Linux has relieved me of the guilt of software theft. I am proud.

Bonsanto
February 14th, 2009, 04:00 PM
You aren't right man becouse for example to use my multimedia buttoms in gnome to manage Amarok I need to install scripts to the program.

I have 1 week waiting for responses in my posts.

And I can't install programs by "Install/Remove Programs" WHo come in .tar.bz2 I can't install anything I downloaded. Becouse ./configure command doesn't work and when I open firefox to search info My system crashes. :D

fidamehran
February 14th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Well, of course I'm not right. Because, I admit,I have very limited knowledge of Ubuntu. But, well, I am managing alright. I am still confused about .tar.bz/.tar.bz2 stuff. I also didn't need to go through the thing you said, "to use my multimedia buttoms in gnome to manage Amarok I need to install scripts to the program.", so I can't understand what you mean. Anyway, best of luck in finding solutions to yuour problems. Don't lose hope. You'll get your trophy.

Boaslad
February 15th, 2009, 01:46 AM
As I have said before in a number of conversations with friends: Windows is like driving an automatic, Linux is a stick shift. Sure, with an automatic things can be easier, but at a cost in terms of efficiency, speed, and overall control. With a stick, it can be more difficult to learn, but once you have it down you gain a whole new level of freedom. Why do you think 99% of all race cars use stick shifts?

The same can be applied to computers. In Windows, whether you realize it or not, you have to do things Windows' way, at Windows' speed. You lack any real freedom to set it up how YOU want it, because everything is already set up, for the masses, not you. It's their world. You just happen to be playing in it.

With Linux, once you learn the fundamentals, It becomes YOUR world. Don't like having a tool bar? You don't have to have one. Don't want any Icons on your desktop? No problem! Point is, you become the MASTER. Not the SLAVE. Computing has suddenly become a whole lot more fun.

Take control, Learn to drive a stick, Use Ubuntu.

tsali
February 15th, 2009, 02:38 AM
Why do you think 99% of all race cars use stick shifts?

Actually, no longer true. The more sophiticated cars use full auto or semi-auto paddle shift.

achilleas.k
February 15th, 2009, 04:54 AM
Actually, no longer true. The more sophiticated cars use full auto or semi-auto paddle shift.

If you're referring to production supercars and F1 cars then you're right. Race cars such as touring cars, GT and rally cars are all still sticks. Unless I'm mistaken and I'm stuck with the impressions I had 5 years ago.

Boaslad
February 15th, 2009, 05:33 AM
... me thinks you miss the point...

Giant Speck
February 15th, 2009, 06:23 AM
As I have said before in a number of conversations with friends: Windows is like driving an automatic, Linux is a stick shift. Sure, with an automatic things can be easier, but at a cost in terms of efficiency, speed, and overall control. With a stick, it can be more difficult to learn, but once you have it down you gain a whole new level of freedom. Why do you think 99% of all race cars use stick shifts?


I like this analogy. It shows how different Windows and Linux are without being insulting to either group of users.

Bart_D
February 15th, 2009, 07:50 AM
...So what are the advantages of l using linux over xp?

My system(rather old) runs faster.

tsali
February 15th, 2009, 01:13 PM
... me thinks you miss the point...

I get the point exactly. It depends on what you want out of your software.

Personally, I'll drive a well sorted, fully automatic hybrid for my primary transport needs.

Yes, the hot rod or motorcycle is fun, but I wouldn't call it "superior" to my hybrid for the task of "transportation".

achilleas.k
February 15th, 2009, 01:53 PM
To correct my missing of the point earlier, I think the last reason I use Windows for is games (and some other small apps I don't get on linux).

That's really the biggest selling point for Windows in the Linux vs Windows battle in my opinion. Maybe driver support as a second, but Linux hardware support is getting better by the day.

Bonsanto
February 15th, 2009, 03:01 PM
I said the same, linux just sucks.

fidamehran
February 15th, 2009, 04:11 PM
I said the same, linux just sucks.

Dear Bonsanto, welcome back.

I am wondering, have you really placed your problems clearly to the people here? Or are you just happy with criticizing Ubuntu?

Can you please re-post your problems? Or maybe you can open a new thread by giving your problems.

This, actually is not the thread for your problems. Anyway, if you have no hope for using your Ubuntu anymore, you can spend your time in the Windows forums. They are such nice and helpful people there, right?

lennyleonard
February 16th, 2009, 04:51 AM
I said the same, linux just sucks.

To be honest, I have been using Linux for less than a year, and I can hardly find anything that Linux won't do better than window$. I have replaced all my multi-track sound recording software, office software, audio and video playback software and countless others, with Linux equivalents. I find that all that software works way better than anything I ran under window$. The only thing I can't do with Linux is run my CAD/CAM or CNC programming software, but that software was written especially for window$. I have a small partiton that has XP Home SP1 to run those two programs and that's all it does - I won't even bother updating it. Everything else is Linux. I even re-aligned the orientation on my Logitech wireless trackball with a few lines of code. Window$ needs 55MB of software to do that.

Linux gave me my computer back. It just plain runs better. I have never had a crash or bug, or anything that I can notice that would indicate instability. I have never had a window$ installation that ran even close to as good as Linux does. And I must've re-installed window$ on my laptop at least twenty times. If it wasn't for Linux, I would have surely thrown my laptop away.

As for things that I could never do with window$, I run a tiny CNC milling machine with Hardy's rtai kernel and emc2, and it works flawlessly. The computer I bought to run it came with vi$ta and ran like garbage. The difference in speed when I installed Hardy was nothing short of mind-blowing. I would never run a CNC machine with vi$ta's bloated, clumsy interface. It's just not reliable. I can also back up my DVDs - something that window$ would definitely not allow.

Security, stability, freedom. These are the reasons I run Linux. I refuse to pay micro$oft to not provide those things when the open source community has our backs.

Thanks to everyone in the forums for all your help over the past year. Reading your posts has taught me everything I know about Ubuntu. You guys ROCK!!!

Long live Ubuntu and the open source community!

darlpmc
February 16th, 2009, 07:24 AM
Actually, no longer true. The more sophiticated cars use full auto or semi-auto paddle shift.

I think that that's a far better analogy to the current state of Gnu/Linux. The default state looks so much like an automatic that less sophisticated users won't notice a difference there ... They'll just notice better responsiveness and control in their car.

More sophisticated users, on the other hand will revel in the extra control that they have..

The other day, we were having problem with a printer not feeding pages properly. That printer was on a network print server. I found another printer, but that printer was USB, not Parallel.... whatever .. I grabbed a 3 year old computer that was sitting in the corner, and plugged in the USB printer. There was no need to install it... Linux just popped up and said that it was ready to rock..

After making sure that the printer was network shared, I updated the dhcp configs to give the 'new' box a fixed IP address (just to be sure), and then used the print configs to find the new printer, and set it as the default.

We use LTSP, so a couple of dozen users do their work running off of one server.... In other words, that was all I had to do to get this printer up and running for everybody.

I've tried getting users on a Windows network set up to use a new computer, and it's nowhere near as much fun.

My laptop has (in theory) dual boot capability, but windows died when I copied my drive to a new (larger) hard drive when I started having drive problems. I just didn't consider it worth reviving.
Ubuntu, on the other hand, barely seemed to notice (other than an increase in speed).

Windows has a real tendency to rollover and play(?) dead when you throw new hardware at it. God only knows how Microsoft gets away with claiming hardware compatibility issues as a reason to stay with Windows.
Hardware compatibility problems with Windows (and the respective ease under Linux) was what first got me converted to Linux 10 years ago. Linux has only improved since. Windows, on the other hand, seems to have willfully regressed (from the reports I've heard about Vista).

Long live Freed software!

Frak
February 16th, 2009, 10:46 PM
To be honest, I have been using Linux for less than a year, and I can hardly find anything that Linux won't do better than windows. I have replaced all my multi-track sound recording software, office software, audio and video playback software and countless others, with Linux equivalents. I find that all that software works way better than anything I ran under windows. The only thing I can't do with Linux is run my CAD/CAM or CNC programming software, but that software was written especially for windows. I have a small partiton that has XP Home SP1 to run those two programs and that's all it does - I won't even bother updating it. Everything else is Linux. I even re-aligned the orientation on my Logitech wireless trackball with a few lines of code. Windows needs 55MB of software to do that.

Linux gave me my computer back. It just plain runs better. I have never had a crash or bug, or anything that I can notice that would indicate instability. I have never had a windows installation that ran even close to as good as Linux does. And I must've re-installed windows on my laptop at least twenty times. If it wasn't for Linux, I would have surely thrown my laptop away.

As for things that I could never do with windows, I run a tiny CNC milling machine with Hardy's rtai kernel and emc2, and it works flawlessly. The computer I bought to run it came with vista and ran like garbage. The difference in speed when I installed Hardy was nothing short of mind-blowing. I would never run a CNC machine with vista's bloated, clumsy interface. It's just not reliable. I can also back up my DVDs - something that windows would definitely not allow.

Security, stability, freedom. These are the reasons I run Linux. I refuse to pay microsoft to not provide those things when the open source community has our backs.

Thanks to everyone in the forums for all your help over the past year. Reading your posts has taught me everything I know about Ubuntu. You guys ROCK!!!

Long live Ubuntu and the open source community!

Thought I'd fix those typos for you. ;)

trepid666
February 17th, 2009, 05:56 PM
Basically I dont see any advantages to using linux over windows xp, Im dual booting windows and ubuntu. Ubuntu is nice and all but I dont see anything that would make me prefer it over windows.The only thing i have been using ubuntu for is web browsing playing music/movies (cant play games) which I can do better/hassle free in windows.

So what are the advantages of l using linux over xp?



You're absolutely right, why would you want to drive your FREE sports car when you could drive the family sedan you paid way too much for!

Frak
February 18th, 2009, 02:03 AM
You're absolutely right, why would you want to drive your FREE muscle car when you could drive the family sedan you paid way too much for!
Because the free muscle car is actually a riced Ford Taurus while the family sedan happens to be a VW Passat.

trepid666
February 18th, 2009, 02:44 AM
Because the free muscle car is actually a riced Ford Taurus while the family sedan happens to be a VW Passat.


Hmmm... a Ford Taurus is actually a family sedan. Boring, everywhere, and very unreliable, much like windows.

The SPORTS car happens to be a Dodge Viper. Sleek, sexy, and fast... much like Ubuntu

Thebear
February 18th, 2009, 03:45 AM
<personally the only reason I keep Windows XP around is for itunes. I had a dual boot ubuntu/vista, but somehow vista got corrupted and I had to replace with a copy of xp since I did not have the installation disks for vista. I hate to ask in this forum but someone may be able to help me. I have been a linux devotee for about 4 years now and I forget most of what i ever knew about windows. Xp will not recognize my sound card or more importantly my broadcom 802.1 wireless. I have downloaded the driver and it appears to be installed but I just don't know how to go about the whole thing.

Mind you if someone could tell me how to set up itunes in ubuntu with wine or something and sync my ipod touch, it would be adios windows for me.

trepid666
February 18th, 2009, 04:03 AM
<personally the only reason I keep Windows XP around is for itunes. I had a dual boot ubuntu/vista, but somehow vista got corrupted and I had to replace with a copy of xp since I did not have the installation disks for vista. I hate to ask in this forum but someone may be able to help me. I have been a linux devotee for about 4 years now and I forget most of what i ever knew about windows. Xp will not recognize my sound card or more importantly my broadcom 802.1 wireless. I have downloaded the driver and it appears to be installed but I just don't know how to go about the whole thing.

Mind you if someone could tell me how to set up itunes in ubuntu with wine or something and sync my ipod touch, it would be adios windows for me.



Try gtkpod! or amarok. Its just like itunes.. but better lol

I have broadcom aswell, u need to open control panel and click on networks. if the right driver was installed, your wireless will show up

lennyleonard
February 18th, 2009, 05:10 AM
Thought I'd fix those typos for you. ;)

:lol: Thanks Frak, you also helped me figure out why I keep walking into telephone poles all the time. :biggrin: That's what I like best about Linux - the community! The helpful people! Show me that on windows forum... if there is such a thing.

tsali
February 18th, 2009, 11:43 AM
Hmmm... a Ford Taurus is actually a family sedan. Boring, everywhere, and very unreliable, much like windows.

The muscle car happens to be a Dodge Viper. Sleek, sexy, and fast... much like Ubuntu

Obviously not acquainted with the Taurus SHO (I have owned two).

The Dodge Viper, while fast, is a tremendous PITA to live with on a daily basis...that's why people that own them always have a daily driver they COUNT on to get the daily stuff you depend on a car/truck for done. BTW, the Viper is not a "muscle car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car)"...it's a sports car.


I've also owned my share of old iron and hot rods. As much fun as they are, I assure you that I wouldn't WANT to live with any of them as a daily driver when I have a Honda Accord available.

Arup
February 18th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Obviously not acquainted with the Taurus SHO (I have owned two).

The Dodge Viper, while fast, is a tremendous PITA to live with on a daily basis...that's why people that own them always have a daily driver they COUNT on to get the daily stuff you depend on a car/truck for done. BTW, the Viper is not a "muscle car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car)"...it's a sports car.


I've also owned my share of old iron and hot rods. As much fun as they are, I assure you that I wouldn't WANT to live with any of them as a daily driver when I have a Honda Accord available.


Guess you haven't driven the Yamaha engined SHO, apart from vicious wheelspin due to it being FWD, it was one heck of a family sedan giving BMWs and other sedans a nightmare.

trepid666
February 18th, 2009, 05:27 PM
Obviously not acquainted with the Taurus SHO (I have owned two).

The Dodge Viper, while fast, is a tremendous PITA to live with on a daily basis...that's why people that own them always have a daily driver they COUNT on to get the daily stuff you depend on a car/truck for done. BTW, the Viper is not a "muscle car (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car)"...it's a sports car.


I've also owned my share of old iron and hot rods. As much fun as they are, I assure you that I wouldn't WANT to live with any of them as a daily driver when I have a Honda Accord available.

Taurus SHO? lmao its still a taurus! Not worth bragging about --- like windows
A Taurus SHO is not a cool taurus, its a taurus with a cool motor.
Much like a Civic with 20" wheels is not a "nice" civic, its a civic with "nice" wheels

Like the Viper, if you can handle the power, then its not a problem on a daily basis --- Ubuntu

My daily driver is a Firebird, I've had my share of "economy" rides and i'll stick to the performance.

but I see it is all about preference here.

Paulzy
February 18th, 2009, 11:04 PM
Have you installed WINE. I was very surprised at how it will play XP games. But you have to tweak it.

achilleas.k
February 18th, 2009, 11:28 PM
Wine is more of a workaround than a solution. I mean I wouldn't use a Linux box to play the newer games. Especially when I want full DX10 graphics and all that, which is why I use Vista on my gaming box.

JimBuntu
February 18th, 2009, 11:30 PM
For the love of all things FREE!

Frak
February 18th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Hmmm... a Ford Taurus is actually a family sedan. Boring, everywhere, and very unreliable, much like windows.

The muscle car happens to be a Dodge Viper. Sleek, sexy, and fast... much like Ubuntu
Viper's aren't muscle cars.

Bonsanto
February 19th, 2009, 01:00 AM
I can't run 3d games, My Video card sucks It's ATI.

trepid666
February 19th, 2009, 01:08 AM
Because the free muscle car is actually a riced Ford Taurus



Viper's aren't muscle cars.


Neither is a "riced out Taurus"

tsali
February 19th, 2009, 01:46 AM
Neither is a "riced out Taurus"

Correct, they are not...

However, having trounced a fair share of mustangs and F-bodies (neither of which are "muscle cars") with my original '89 SHO, I would caution you not to laugh too loudly, lest you be laughing at the mundane backside of that sedan as it pulls away from you...

While lacking two extra cylinders, the SHO comes closer to embodying the concept of "muscle car" than most other recent examples. It was the cheap mid-size with a ton of horsepower.

Also, like your Viper example, I'm not sure it's something Mom and Pop would enjoy as a grocery getter. It had a few "quirks" to say the least. The performance clutch in mine would wear your leg out in traffic...

It was funny to watch the fallen come running to my pit at the Saturday night drags to see if I shoehorned a big block into it. I routinely hit low 14's - high 13's. Yes, it had one or two tweaks ;)

It's heck on clutches though...and they are a b*h to change...

EZEN
February 19th, 2009, 02:03 AM
Advantages off the top of my head.....
Hmmmm....
It does what an operating system should do....OPERATE.
It doesn't pass judgement on you.
It doesn't say "NO, we dont want you to do that" like windows does to my wife's home movies in .avi.

Music to .ogg sounds way better than .mp3. (Loves my Sansa Fuze)

And to be honest I still have a Windows partition for popular gaming but that partition keeps getting smaller and smaller.:lolflag:

Put equal time on BOTH systems and you will be rewarded a thousandfold.

lg5productions
February 19th, 2009, 02:28 AM
For the love of all things FREE!

Dang Skippy.:popcorn:

Now I have Windows for some software from school, (Ala Adobe Photoshop blah blah blah) and for my Virtual Desktop at work. I've been moving closer (albeit slowly) to all Unbuntu, but as long as my wife does not have time to learn Linux, I'm a bit stuck with Windows. That and my family always comes to me for computer questions.

Now in terms of my recording software, that has been a bit of a challenge for me. I think I need to become more familiar with Linux in general before I venture into that sphere of work. If I could get my M-Audio Fire Wire Solo Sound card to work on my Unbuntu partition, it would rock! :guitar: I even installed on my olde Dell Laptop (when the main pc with Windows died on us) and spent a good 3 weeks doing the basics on that. You can say Unbuntu has saved our internet lives. It ran faster than the Windows XP, and detected my network card with no need for a big driver search. My wife still had to have her email and Myspace fix. ;)

I can access partitions from Windows in Linux, can listen to music, can stream video from the Internet, and trying to move into editing video. So yes.....its all FREE. Big selling point in this economy. Being on one income it saves from me having to buy another Windows PC and gives the BIG BILL G more money. I'll let the company I work for do that.

Viva la revolucion!!!

:biggrin:

Frak
February 19th, 2009, 05:05 AM
Neither is a "riced out Taurus"
Anything can be riced, that's why it's called rice burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_car).

barbapapa1
February 19th, 2009, 05:14 AM
I installed Ubuntu through Wubi around 5 months ago. It has been fun tinkering to get it working and I have used it almost exclusively. However, I can see myself eventually headed back to Windows if win7 is decent.
- Ipod shuffle never really worked.
- Rosetta Stone online doesn't work(with Wine).
- Netflix online viewing doesn't work.
- Blackberry sync I didn't even bother to try after reading the forums.
- I had not had a single virus using only free firewall/antivirus in 10 years in Win.
- Firefox is the same everywhere.
- Ubuntu is still not plug and play. It is fun, but when I am in a hurry and I have to do something new I feel it is the wrong platform unless your a pro.

jarrah-95
February 19th, 2009, 10:19 AM
ubuntu is just more open if something goes wrong you can fix it if you dont like something you can get rid of it and if you just like modding your computer well you can and all without braking the law like it is on windows

trepid666
February 19th, 2009, 09:25 PM
I think a better title for this thread would be:

If you have Ubuntu, why would you still use windows

lol

trepid666
February 19th, 2009, 10:10 PM
Anything can be riced, that's why it's called rice burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_car).


Silly Frak, useless posts are for other forums

asmotj
February 19th, 2009, 11:05 PM
Advantage number one Stability:
I am a home business user so Gamming is worthless to me anyway.

Price is number two and finally when installing new hardware you do not need to re register with Microslouch if you break their 10% to many changes rule.

I have used microslouch from windows 1 to windows vista and tried an install in windows7.
Now I have been using Linux since Mandrake 7.1 and now using Unbunto 8.10
I installed it perfectly on the first try using my old system with ntfs partitions too easy for words...:D ;)




Basically I dont see any advantages to using linux over windows xp, Im dual booting windows and ubuntu. Ubuntu is nice and all but I dont see anything that would make me prefer it over windows.The only thing i have been using ubuntu for is web browsing playing music/movies (cant play games) which I can do better/hassle free in windows.

So what are the advantages of l using linux over xp?

Frak
February 19th, 2009, 11:17 PM
Silly Frak, useless posts are for other forums
3,500 useful posts vs. just over 50 useful posts

I help elsewhere, and maybe you should to. Wasting your time in the cafe is not productive.

CDR Services
February 20th, 2009, 05:03 AM
Bought a cheap netbook with a 8gig ssd hard drive preinstalled windows XP! could just as well been a preinstalled boat ancor ditched it installed eeebuntu a remix of ubuntu for asus eee pc and i zooms along nicely now!!! jus my 2 cents

trepid666
February 20th, 2009, 06:06 AM
LoL@cyber bully Frak!

GARoss
February 20th, 2009, 08:11 PM
We have 3 computers & have been considering what to do when MS finally dumps XP support. We didn't upgrade to Vista because of all the problems we heard. Now Windows 7 is coming in June so XPs life is short. I know we can still run the system, but security issues & software updates, ect... We figure upgrading to Win 7 will cost $400-500 at least!
3 weeks ago I installed Ubuntu 8.10 on a dual boot PC as a test. With the help of this forum I've been able to do most of what I could do with XP with the exception of video editing which I rarely do anyways. Other MS programs we like seem to work OK with WINE. So, I'll keep the dual boot for video editing, otherwise I'd dump XP entirely!

Giant Speck
February 21st, 2009, 12:20 AM
LoL@cyber bully Frak!

Lol@cyber victim trepid!

Oh, God. My brain hurts from using such poor grammar. Someone get me an Excedrin.

trepid666
February 23rd, 2009, 02:03 AM
Haha!

I get such a kick out of people on forums thinking they are some sort of grammar god!

Some people are just learning english and therefore are not as grammatically correct as one would expect.

When these so-called grammar-gods can teach grammar in French, German, Spanish, Chinese, Russian... then they can speak up. So for now STFU! lol!

Giant Speck
February 23rd, 2009, 06:15 AM
Haha!

I get such a kick out of people on forums thinking they are some sort of grammar god!

Some people are just learning english and therefore are not as grammatically correct as one would expect.

When these so-called grammar-gods can teach grammar in French, German, Spanish, Chinese, Russian... then they can speak up. So for now STFU! lol!

You didn't capitalize English.

You hyphenated grammar-god at the end of your rant but didn't hyphenate it at the beginning.

You put an ellipsis instead of a comma after Russian and didn't even bother to put one after STFU.

:p

Я люлбю грамматику! (I love grammar.)

Thirtysixway
February 23rd, 2009, 08:02 AM
I started using Ubuntu because it was something different and fun. I guess I've stuck with it because I'm tired of all the security issues with Windows. Running anti-virus, firewall, anti-spam, etc uses so many system resources it's crazy.

My interest in Ubuntu really peaked when I started learning how to run apache/php. I moved onto using it for my server and then finally on my desktop.

I still use XP at school (although I'm pushing to replace our win98 machine to xubuntu) and I plan on using XP for things like gaming, although I haven't booted into XP in a long time.

The only downside is I'm finding it harder to help people with their computer trouble. Everybody is either on XP or Vista, sometimes things can get tricky.

phrostbyte
February 24th, 2009, 02:47 AM
3,500 useful posts vs. just over 50 useful posts

I help elsewhere, and maybe you should to. Wasting your time in the cafe is not productive.

This is somewhat funny coming from a person who's last 50 posts or so largely were spent promoting or defending Microsoft on the "Ubuntu" Forums Cafe. But carry on.

:popcorn:

Giant Speck
February 24th, 2009, 04:42 AM
This is somewhat funny coming from a person who's last 50 posts or so largely were spent promoting or defending Microsoft on the "Ubuntu" Forums Cafe. But carry on.

:popcorn:

Maybe you need to step outside the Cafe every once and a while.

phrostbyte
February 24th, 2009, 04:50 AM
Maybe you need to step outside the Cafe every once and a while.

I'm going by his post history. And what was it about the pot calling the kettle black again?

Giant Speck
February 24th, 2009, 05:06 AM
I'm going by his post history. And what was it about the pot calling the kettle black again?

I don't know how that idiom applies to this situation. I wasn't calling you a hypocrite, or was I being hypocritical.

phrostbyte
February 24th, 2009, 05:17 AM
I don't know how that idiom applies to this situation. I wasn't calling you a hypocrite, or was I being hypocritical.

It's very clear you spend a lot of time in the Cafe, and yet you said I should step out of the Cafe. Ergo: pot calling kettle black

@ Frak:
That's not very nice Frak, if you have a problem with me why don't you talk to me directly instead of with your forum friends behind my back.

Bill Day
February 24th, 2009, 05:26 AM
For me, it comes down to cost, stability, and flexibility. I can do for free in Linux things that would cost me hundreds of dollars to attempt in Windows. I can do them without having to worry about a corrupted registry and a system encrusted with destabilizing third-party talismans designed to ward off the forces of Internet evil. Finally, although it is sometimes a pain to have to configure things myself, it is reassuring to know that almost any problem can be fixed (with a little help from the community!).

Giant Speck
February 24th, 2009, 05:27 AM
Whatever, phrostbyte. I don't want to get into this stupid argument again.

http://www.afforums.com/ppost/data/500/Give_A_Damn_Box.gif

phrostbyte
February 24th, 2009, 05:28 AM
Whatever, phrostbyte. I don't want to get into this stupid argument again.

http://www.afforums.com/ppost/data/500/Give_A_Damn_Box.gif

I'm okay with that.

Giant Speck
February 24th, 2009, 05:35 AM
I'm okay with that.

Good to hear. :) Friendly handshake? Agree to disagree?

http://www.tailored.com.au/uploaded_images/handshake-703012.jpg

mdsmedia
February 24th, 2009, 05:39 AM
Maybe you need to step outside the Cafe every once and a while.

I only say this to you because of your love of grammar. And I know this isn't grammar, but it's "once IN a while".

Giant Speck
February 24th, 2009, 05:41 AM
I only say this to you because of your love of grammar. And I know this isn't grammar, but it's "once IN a while".

#-oTime to go repent to the Grammar God.

R33D3M33R
February 24th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Basically I dont see any advantages to using linux over windows xp, Im dual booting windows and ubuntu. Ubuntu is nice and all but I dont see anything that would make me prefer it over windows.The only thing i have been using ubuntu for is web browsing playing music/movies (cant play games) which I can do better/hassle free in windows.

So what are the advantages of l using linux over xp?

1. It's free
2. Software installing and upgrading is extremely simple
3. Its more secure
4. It has some great applications (Claws mail, Amarok, K3b, Kooka)
5. Looks better without needing extra applications

I'm using XP only for gaming.

cygnus-X1
February 24th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Pretty much everything that's been said so far in the past 3 1/2 years... Besides, even though I'm running xp minimally, games & proprietary JVC video software for my camcorder (I swear I'll find something that will work or make it work in Linux!), I know that its days are numbered, (just like 2K). When that happens, you'll probably see a lot more people switching to Linux. Because, as we all know, Vista Sucks! :lolflag:

Remember, intruders always enter through windows...

Boaslad
February 25th, 2009, 01:21 AM
Remember, intruders always enter through windows...

OMG! I have got to remember that line!

badpointer
February 25th, 2009, 04:24 PM
We use the Ubuntu distribution on a PC connected directly to the internet for software download purposes.

The reasons to get rid of the former Windows OS were:

1.) Hardware changes on that PC broke Windows severe. Repair did not help, new installations were required, some useful settings got lost and and were time consumptive to reactivate.

2.) Required security updates to IE and underlying com stuff broke several time access to Mircrosoft's MSDN subscriber download page.

3.) It was always tricky to burn reliably ISO DVD's using native Windows methods.

4) To keep the system free of trojaner, malware and viruses was a nightmare because the com was an internet access point for many users.

since we use linux it works as it should.

Matt Savage
February 25th, 2009, 04:31 PM
I dropped XP for Kubuntu about 6 months ago mainly for speed. Whenever I switched on XP it took forever to load, then download all the virus updates and windows updates, before I could do anything useful! All the other advantages of Linux (security, customisability, etc) were an afterthought.

Having now got used to it I now love Kubuntu! There really are some great programs out there which easily rival anything on windows...

DigiKam - easy to use image archiving
TuxGuitar - useful for learning new songs from downloaded tabs
Amarok - neat little media player
Gimp - more powerful than Paint Shop Pro, easier to use than Photoshop.

I only use XP now for updates to my SatNav and my MP3 player both of which are windows only :(

jfj1723
February 25th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Well first, as others have stated is Virus issues...
Next is without buying new hardware, I can get new live out of machines...
It saves money...:D:D
Next is we have field workers, (Non-english speaking, many do not read) that are using Asus Eee 700 series netbooks, runing Ubuntu, using open office, entering data in the "Excel" program. No problems.
I am not paying Microsoft for licenses. Money in our pockets.

charlieddayton
February 26th, 2009, 05:03 PM
I use linux because it is faster than Windows Vista and i like Gnome more than Explorer(The GUI in Windows).

Also a Rant:

I am tired of all the people saying that they use Linux because of price issues with Windows. Almost every PC Comes with Windows so for most people OS cost it not an issue.

Also tired of people saying they can do on Linux for free what would cost more than thousands on Windows, because on Windows they have to buy MS Office and Photoshop but on linux they have Openoffice and Gimp.

HELLO THERE! Openoffice and Gimp are available for Windows they are not Linux exclusives!

R33D3M33R
February 26th, 2009, 05:20 PM
I use linux because it is faster than
Also a Rant:

I am tired of all the people saying that they use Linux because of price issues with Windows. Almost every PC Comes with Windows so for most people OS cost it not an issue.


Sorry, that is not correct. It depends on where you buy the computer. In some shops you can select a computer without Windows and therefore it costs less.

charlieddayton
February 26th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Sorry, that is not correct. It depends on where you buy the computer. In some shops you can select a computer without Windows and therefore it costs less.

Most people don't buy computer at shops, they purchase them at Best Buy, Office Max and they come with Windows. We are talking about the majority of people here not the minority.

And what do you have to say to contradict my statement about OO and Gimp?

R33D3M33R
February 26th, 2009, 06:05 PM
Most people don't buy computer at shops, they purchase them at Best Buy, Office Max and they come with Windows. We are talking about the majority of people here not the minority.

It depends what country are you coming from :)



And what do you have to say to contradict my statement about OO and Gimp?

Nothing, because I use them on both systems :p

apmcd47
February 26th, 2009, 10:46 PM
I was using Sun Windows/SunView while Microsoft were still marketing DOS! To me Windows is the "weird new thing", not Linux!

I like the idea that compilers don't have to be paid for.

Andrew

PS sorry if this has been said before - I've only read about three pages of this thread.

apmcd47
February 26th, 2009, 10:58 PM
Also a Rant:

I am tired of all the people saying that they use Linux because of price issues with Windows. Almost every PC Comes with Windows so for most people OS cost it not an issue.


This may be true but when you upgrade to the next version of your favourite Linux Distro it could cost you one blank CD/DVD. When you upgrade Windows to the next version it will cost you £££ for the cheap cut-down version, ££££ for the more usable verion, £££££ for the decent version and £££££££ for the server version.

Andrew

Stvnbrkbck
February 26th, 2009, 11:54 PM
is this a joke?:lolflag:

DeepSeaNautilus
February 27th, 2009, 03:26 PM
One of the reasons linux is better than windows is that bash shell ( linux most used shell language ) programming is much more powerful, flexible and has a much larger community of support than bat programing or powershell ( windows shell language ). With powershell you can´t do as many things as in bash. For example, you can create a configuration script to install all the applications you need after installing a linux distro, in windows you would have to use a GUI in most cases, and install every program one by one, because usually that´s the only way to install stuff and in my opinion, thats a really waste of time if you already know what features you want to be installed. For example, I made a script to install freeglut in ubuntu, then it installs a couple of other scripts I made and then updates my path variable. The only things I have to do is execute it. In windows, on the other hand, I would have to do much more things to be able to compile glut applications.

thtrgremlin
February 27th, 2009, 08:37 PM
I like being able to see how things work. Windows is much more "the magic box that does computy stuff", where as in linux, even if you don't understand it all, it is there for you to see. Immersion is great for learning, and Linux organizes things in a good way to learn anything and everything you want. Windows trains you to click the mouse when a window pops up.

BASH, as others mentioned, is a wonderfully powerful language that has completely changed the way I work with my computer since I made a complete switch years ago now.

But personally, I love and live Gnu/Linux for cultural reasons. Sure, it is more secure, faster for near all tasks, but would I switch from a community of people that believe that the purpose of information is for it to be shared to paying someone that believes I should be in jail if I try to understand how things work? Hmm... no, doesn't really appeal.

I guess I think of Windows as a restaurant with really good food, but really rude service, and while you are reasonably satisfied with your experience, you can't help but notice the health department makes an uncomfortably large number of visits. But if you are careful, and have a lot of money, some of the best chefs in town offer their dishes here exclusively.

Linux is more like a farmers market filled with chefs whose greatest joy in life is for you to share their food and ideas. There is no limit, and everyone welcome. You can have all the food you want for free, and there seems to be this kind of rule that if you bring food, you are supposed to tell people what you put into it. If you use other peoples ingredients or change someone else's dish, then you must tell people what you put in it, and where you got the recipe from.

So people ask where to eat. Well, I think we are all really used to and understand the restaurant model, and paying ala cart. We even got special toilet paper every time we get food poisoning. On the other hand, there is an orgy out in the wilderness where they hope you know how to cook so you can share and play, but even if you don't know how to cook, or even know what a frying pan is, your still welcome, just be mindful the conversation may just be a little different then what you are used to.

So know what? I don't really care if that other place got the latest iron chef. Its expensive, and he usually never shows up anyway. They keep changing everything around every time they move, and make you keep buying things you already paid for. Not to mention there is a door charge before you even get any food, but that is usually part of the package deal anyway.

So maybe sometimes the food gets better, or even really amazing on a rare occasion. Maybe the food gets cheaper every once in awhile. If you are really lucky, maybe they fired that waitress that kept spitting in the food. That's wonderful... but know what, while I thought I was initially tempted by the free food and dreams of being a chef, I've found something of a community.

But it is nice to know that in addition to the great community, the food is actually better, even if you can't get everything out there.

wsonar
February 27th, 2009, 10:26 PM
Great analogy I loved it

Name change
February 27th, 2009, 10:30 PM
One reason: KDE4.2.
The Windows version is not even near the Linux version. But if that changes I might reconsider.
And I don't have XP any more I have 7 now :D.

jezza1972
February 28th, 2009, 12:01 AM
I don't knock windows, xp pro worked for me for five years. When xp was installed on my main pc, i had to install chipset, audio, video and usb drivers from intel. When i installed ubuntu the only thing i had to sort out was my screen resolution, otherwise everything worked straight away!

My 10 year old son figured out ubuntu within a week, so it can't be that hard to use!

shark1997
February 28th, 2009, 12:56 AM
I use Linux for just about everything. I switched 4 months ago and I didnt have a single problem. So stop saying that Linux is hard and Windows is easy so people will want to switch to Linux and experience the pure AWESOMENESS!!!!!:guitar:

jezza43
February 28th, 2009, 05:00 AM
Mainly to learn how things work. Linux is more fun than windows because it's a very hands-on experience.

kitts
February 28th, 2009, 09:25 AM
Ubuntu has improved by zillions since i last used version 5..xx
in 2006. The installation hardly takes 20 minutes and is so out of box except for codec dls for watching videos and listening audio. But then it is more for legal reasons...

It is lot better than WINXP OR WINVISTA in terms of interface, security, flexibility and support from this project/forum.
Lets try to be linux lover without being windows basher..after all its responsible for so much that we enjoy today.

amylase
February 28th, 2009, 02:05 PM
The main reason is it (Linux) looks cool and consequently makes me look slightly cool too (being the user).

Other reasons include: it is free, open, advanced, and in some areas much easier to use than Windows.

EowynCarter
February 28th, 2009, 03:19 PM
I have windows for game.

For the rest, linux does fine. I'll rather use free alternatives, that cracked software.
Linux can install lost of apps to do this or that, that can be installed easily, all that for free (in both sense of the term)

ah, is kde4.2 any good ?
I used kde 3, but i never agreed with kde 4+. too slow, buggy.

luapmada
February 28th, 2009, 03:21 PM
Philosophy,
will to making efforts for community developped tools rather than being big-bros assisted / directed,
what else,
masochism also maybe...

Name change
February 28th, 2009, 03:26 PM
I have windows for game.

For the rest, linux does fine. I'll rather use free alternatives, that cracked software.
Linux can install lost of apps to do this or that, that can be installed easily, all that for free (in both sense of the term)

ah, is kde4.2 any good ?
I used kde 3, but i never agreed with kde 4+. too slow, buggy.
If you ask me it is. But I did like KDE4 from the start..
But I must say that there is a big change in how KDE4.2 works compared to KDE4.1. And for me it's really stable, not to heavy on the system and the bugs that I experience are survivable (like no GUI way to shutdown the computer in KDE, probably because of strange update to newest kernel)...
So if you liked KDE3, but always thought it could looked / felt and behaved better then KDE4.2 is totally for you. I almost don't miss any of KDE3 feature in KDE4.2.
Hope that helps with your decision. But just in case to prevent breakage do delete plasmarc before you log-on for the first time to KDE4.2.

eqisow
February 28th, 2009, 05:22 PM
(like no GUI way to shutdown the computer in KDE, probably because of strange update to newest kernel)

Umm, you can definitely shutdown from the GUI in KDE4. If you can't, there may be either an issue on your system or a bug in Ubuntu specifically. It works for me with KDE4.2 on Arch though.

BwackNinja
February 28th, 2009, 06:14 PM
Because I've already explored windows enough (read: I actually know how to do just about everything and can fix just about any problem, made my own theme, etc), and got bored of it.

Unstable and quickly progressing is more fun than stable. I use Jaunty :D

savantelite
February 28th, 2009, 07:00 PM
I duel boot for audible.com books for my Ipod. I love my books, but it frustrates me that I can't use linux to download them. With out the Ipod book issue, I am pretty much all linux at home:)

Tomatz
February 28th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Umm, you can definitely shutdown from the GUI in KDE4. If you can't, there may be either an issue on your system or a bug in Ubuntu specifically. It works for me with KDE4.2 on Arch though.

Its probably because he is using gdm instead of kdm ;)

Name change
February 28th, 2009, 07:42 PM
Its probably because he is using gdm instead of kdm ;)
No I'm using KDM, but when I decided to try LXDE it demanded to install GDM so I did. But now I decided to squash this "bug" and removed the GDM will see that works.
Edit: Nope that dosen't work... I guess it was something with the last kernel install...
But let that be enough, as I'm straying from the topic :D

bgast1
March 1st, 2009, 12:39 AM
I was doing a search on how to customize Amarok and ran into this thread. Right now the only reason I have Windows XP on my computer for a dual boot is I ran across a very addicting Popcap game called Peggle, I also have a couple of games installed. Links 2003, Civilization III & IV, Warlords, Command & Conquer Decades, Tiger Woods 2008, Command & Conquer Tiberian Wars, and it's tax time so I need a Tax program.

I use Linux to listen to my music, watch DVD's and video, and everything else. I would gladly get rid of Windows in a heartbeat if I ever figured out how to do all of the above. I have a PS3 so really gaming is not that big of an issue. 90% of the time I am booted into Linux.

I am currently using Kubuntu 8.10, with the default KDE. I suppose I would like to switch to KDE 4.2, but still have to figure out how. I really didn't like Amarok 2 because it didn't handle my library correctly. I don't know if creating playlists would solve that problem or not. But then Amarok puts albums that have more than one artist on it under Various Artists. That's why I have very few compilations. Windows doesn't do this very well either. Amarok is better than any windows player that I have ever come across.

I have started using Opera as my main browser. It seems to be a lot faster than Firefox. I never liked Internet Explorer to many pop-ups and other BS, Too slow. Firefox worked OK in windows, but it is still slower than Opera.

My machine always works in Linux. I get sick and tired of trying to rid my kids machines of spyware and viruses every few months. It's ridiculous, takes me hours at a time.

Linux looks better too. Although, I have to say, I never could get used to the Ubuntu-Brown.(Still better looking than windows) But I run Kubuntu because I like KDE and it's Blue.

My experience with Linux would also be a lot better if I would take the time to learn it rather than just use it. I think my next task on learning it is too find out how to make Amarok look better, or figure out how to make Amarok 2 handle my library properly, and also KDE 4,2

Tomatz
March 1st, 2009, 01:24 AM
No I'm using KDM, but when I decided to try LXDE it demanded to install GDM so I did. But now I decided to squash this "bug" and removed the GDM will see that works.
Edit: Nope that dosen't work... I guess it was something with the last kernel install...
But let that be enough, as I'm straying from the topic :D


sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm

:)

rhcm123
March 1st, 2009, 02:42 AM
there are a lot... really

a few practical ones:
no viruses, adware, spyware... whatever all that is called


technical term is malware, as in Mircowave your pc malware :)

Stew2
March 1st, 2009, 03:18 AM
Hmm, I use linux as well because I like to try different things and I admire the open source principles. I don't bash any of the OS's, they all have a place.

Regards,
Stew

kvarley
March 1st, 2009, 05:15 PM
Because Microsoft are a horrible company who make bad products and somehow manage to sell them.

mr-woof
March 2nd, 2009, 12:22 AM
I've been dual booting with 8.10 and xp for the last couple of months, and i'm finding now that i'm using ubuntu for most things bar my attempts of web designing.

rhcm123
March 2nd, 2009, 09:16 PM
Because Microsoft are a horrible company who make bad products and somehow manage to sell them.

Their products aren't terrible... I was personally very happy with 98, XP, and the windows 7 beta (i hated vista for obvious reasons). And their achievements (unlocked!) in the gaming market are amazing. We would be a lot farther behind without directX and the xbox 360/LIVE

PonnyNation
March 4th, 2009, 07:41 AM
I went over to Kubuntu some days ago, from being a hardcore windows user, so far I have had some trubble with some commands in the terminal and some major problems with my ATI graphic card, but as I have a friend that uses Ubuntu he helped me out, and I have been living in this forum some days, mainly everything is so far better then XP.

The hole layout of Windows XP sucks, I did for a year ago changed to litestep (program to change your interface and add other options for the desktop mainly) in Windows and found all things went more easy.

Now 6 days into Linux I have only been once in Windows XP since, that was to design the Windows so if I need to use it I will not go crazy over how horrible it is.

For games and so on, I use Wine and more things works fine. I also like old-school games when it comes to real strategy and that so far I get to download free games and no trubbles with CD-keys and cracks.

But I know I will find some problems. So far Gimp isn't exactly the same as Photoshop but I guess I will work that out also.

halberdiyiv
March 5th, 2009, 05:32 AM
free! that's all
I live in the country where the pirated software is more common than the original one. Maybe it's because our income per kapita is quite low to buy an original softwares (although it's for home use, I do need a lot softwares to do my playing with my computer). I am sick of it. I am sick using pirated software for a very long time, but buying an original one considered no-good investation (since I don't have any kind of attachment to certain software).

Then come linux. Then come cheap broadband internet. Then come investation-smart cost-wise software: Ubuntu. I instantly switch! Moreover, I get virus-free environment, much gratis open source software, etc. What more do I need? (well, the quality of those open source software have to be improved, I am willing to help, especially kind of softwares that I used most)

linggahyang
March 5th, 2009, 06:57 AM
ubuntu very easy install inside XP or other partition !

GJLenon
March 5th, 2009, 09:37 AM
Linux:


Quicker Processing Speed
On Laptops, you get longer battery life due to lower system usage
No blue screens!
No random system crashes!
No "Hah Hah, I crashed again, now spend 2 days re-formatting, patching, re-downloading all your crap!"
Free
Constant updates, virtually none of which require a system restart
More stable platform (my server has been up 1,324 days... I dare a Windows system to match that)
sudo rocks!
ubuntu's system registry doesn't get clogged up with conflicting / overwriting data like Windows does
Older systems will perform well under the newest ubuntu, whereas older systems will NOT run under newer Microsoft OS's.
GUI is MUCH MUCH more customizable under Linux than it is Microsoft


Windows:


Vastly greater gaming possiblities
Mainstream (IE - More marketable skills)
much more "user-friendly"
with the constant system crashes, you never have to worry about clogging your system full of sensitive data!


I use both, I'll admit that. In my personal life, I've not a single Microsoft system left. In my professional life, I use Microsoft on a daily basis.

WhiskyChris
March 5th, 2009, 09:46 AM
I'd been using windows on my laptop for the past year since it was bought (and previous main computers before that). Many years ago I found an old computer and stuck redhat/suse/some linux on it and played around setting up some servers but the computers were too old to be my main box.

Recently my laptop had been running really slowly (startup time was horrendous!) so I thought, not wanted to just reinstall windows (again) that it was time to give linux another go. I'm glad I found ubuntu, I've been out of touch with the linux world and didn't know which 'flavour' was 'in season' but I've not had any major problems so far, my computer's running much faster, and I've found this excellent forum to while away my time in learning more!

Overall, two thumbs up to ubuntu, it's a great improvement!:)

ivanvajar
March 5th, 2009, 05:56 PM
'cause I'm sick of crashes, slow-downs, limitations, not being able to do whatever I want with my machine. Most of all, Linux does not let you remain uneducated when it comes to computers and makes you learn more and more by using it. You get to problems-YES, but when solved, you do everything better and faster. Need more?

Paulzy
March 6th, 2009, 03:09 AM
I dual boot Ubuntu Hardy and XP. If Ubuntu Firefox could mimic IE than I could watch my Netflix movies online, but I need to boot XP for that. Also some apps like Macromedia Studio 8 Pro and my games I use for XP. I just find that when GRUB comes up I always go to Ubuntu unless I have to use an app in XP I simply cannot under Ubuntu.

Yes, my games will run under Wine, but they need to be configured to work; some games like Mabinogi make use of the XP registry and won't get past the login screen. I got NWN2 to the loading screen, but it couldn't find some files and allow me to load any games, plus no music.

So Ubuntu is my main now and XP is my second. I would love to re-install OS/2 but it's doesn't support USB HD installation and I don't have room for another internal HDD, otherwise I would put in my OS/2 HDD I took out in 2001.

XP really sux :mad:, 98SE was better, but slow. But Ubuntu is just so much more intuitive than XP. XP makes me feel stupid. You really have to install a bunch of 3rd party software to make XP really usable - I wish it had the customization aspect built in as OS/2did, which had a fantastic UI, truly object oriented, and very intuitive, albeit ugly to look at. But 3rd party apps made it look nice. ;)

lumitoro
March 6th, 2009, 03:55 AM
The way i see it...Linux is growing to be a match with Microsoft OS's in usability issues and very much safer.
Just do the balance between what you really need and what you use just for fun...you will see that even the fun part is becoming easier for Linux users,lower costs(no need to buy OS) and lots of fun, and lots of really productive utilities that, even thought aren't as good as the commercial ones, are just fine once you get the hold of them...I say...keep dual boot. Microsoft is not the monster every one says it is, lots of good stuff come out of their hat. Just keep in mind that you don't have to be a pirate or give up all of your savings to have full, breathtaking experience with your PC/Laptop/server. Just use Linux :D

lumitoro
March 6th, 2009, 04:31 AM
I dual boot Ubuntu Hardy and XP. If Ubuntu Firefox could mimic IE than I could watch my Netflix movies online, but I need to boot XP for that. Also some apps like Macromedia Studio 8 Pro and my games I use for XP. I just find that when GRUB comes up I always go to Ubuntu unless I have to use an app in XP I simply cannot under Ubuntu.

Yes, my games will run under Wine, but they need to be configured to work; some games like Mabinogi make use of the XP registry and won't get past the login screen. I got NWN2 to the loading screen, but it couldn't find some files and allow me to load any games, plus no music.

So Ubuntu is my main now and XP is my second. I would love to re-install OS/2 but it's doesn't support USB HD installation and I don't have room for another internal HDD, otherwise I would put in my OS/2 HDD I took out in 2001.

XP really sux :mad:, 98SE was better, but slow. But Ubuntu is just so much more intuitive than XP. XP makes me feel stupid. You really have to install a bunch of 3rd party software to make XP really usable - I wish it had the customization aspect built in as OS/2did, which had a fantastic UI, truly object oriented, and very intuitive, albeit ugly to look at. But 3rd party apps made it look nice. ;)

Sun VirtualBox/vmware/qemu saves you from dual booting, if microsoft directx apps are not an issue, dual boot is no longer necessary. My laptop came with Vista Home Premium, changed to XP, after one update it crashed(maybe Microsoft policy to make me use Vista...much out of the way of what i think they would do to sell their product). No drivers available for winxp_x86_64(yes my x86_64 laptop came with Vista x86_32) so i droped my wubi(perfect coexistence) installation and installed the Hardy version(intrepid now :D) of Ubuntu. Some minor details and lots of configuration after i have,what i think to be, the perfect desktop. I love FPS games and the ones i love most are available for Linux so it's a win win...:D
Still WinXP is very mature and i really like it, I guess if it wasn't for Microsoft(****-ups) the open-source community wouldn't evolve so fast :D

Weeble818
March 6th, 2009, 04:50 AM
I dual boot Ubuntu Hardy and XP. If Ubuntu Firefox could mimic IE than I could watch my Netflix movies online, but I need to boot XP for that.

use the user agent switcher add on for firefox, makes firefox capable of mimicing ie, netscape, and opera.

drascus
March 6th, 2009, 04:54 PM
I don't know if someone made this argument already but I will just in case. There are lots of technological advantages. Also in the Future your Windows XP will be obsolete and you will have a choice. buy the new Windows product? or Get the New Gnu/Linux distro for free? I think there is an easy choice there. Also there is the Argument of Freedom. Maybe you haven't heard of the Ethical Arguments for using Free Software. but the advantages to my Freedom are my main reasons for using Free Software. You can click on some of the links in my signaure to learn more if your interested.

gardengxc
March 8th, 2009, 03:38 AM
a big part is it's free, but beyond that the virus issue, accessibility to new games software, and it runs better on my lap top (faster with fewer crashes).

smitty96
March 8th, 2009, 04:42 AM
I actually prefer Linux by far, but I dual boot because...
A.) My dad and little brother have no clue how to use Linux.
B.) There are a few[I] advantages that Windows has, like certain programs
C.) Most unofficial software is designed for Windows, but that's what I have WINE for.;)
I prefer Linux because...
A.) It's[I]a lot faster
B.) More customizable
C.) The add/remove programs window actually lets you add prgrams
D.) It's more fun!!!
And now it is time for me to watch Harry Potter. :popcorn: On TV, not Linux, and obviously not Windows.

k2t0f12d
March 8th, 2009, 09:52 AM
I had had Windows XP on my old Desktop, which I completely deleted. It now runs FreeBSD. I bought my notebook from a work colleague which had had Windows Vista installed. I rewrote the partitions and it now runs Archlinux. Recently, games made for all the major platforms have been so dismal and unentertaining that I could care less if a handful of them are not yet supported under WINE.

A lot of the games I will still play, when I'm not working or hacking, weren't even written or released in this decade. Even if there were still many good games being released, I'd rather have all of the wealth from the code of GNU and Linux in which to play, anyway.

As far any other programs, even if they don't run in WINE and there is no replacement tool anywhere, they are liable to be proprietary software without source code. I don't want a program if I'm not allowed to use it, study and modify it, or share it and my modified versions with all of you.

monomanislive
March 8th, 2009, 06:54 PM
I do like the customization of linux but the whole spyware/adware thing and viruses I have never had a problem with, as long as your not being dumb opening random exe's its pretty much non existent. In reality the spyware is a big problem only because of the fact that the average computer user is attracted to flashy things and clicks.


If it wasnt for the games I could dump windows entirely but i play games on a whim and I hate having to restart just to play it. I could get used to the complexity of it. Honestly though I dont think I will switch to full install of linux or even being first on the boot up list because of the fact that I have the exact same things on windows and linux.

To me this is the real reason that linux is not adopted by the mass public, theres really no reason to go over to linux if you have windows and a casual computer user. However I do think if you dont have an OS and dont plan on being a gamer you should use linux because it is a good system. I also think its perfect for schools/governments/large business because you wouldnt have the major problems a windows network environment has curious/dumb users.


yea my Mom likes to click on random flashy things lol and like you said lager business and governments and schools should use linux. i wish my school didn't switched form OS X to xp our school server got a major virus and like almost all of our computers got BSOD (luckily no students were at school at the time). so our computer tech had to do some carzy stuff to the MICROSOFT server. why did they switch os i like os x ( i like linux even more)!!!:o

kthxbai2u
March 8th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Well, I've had my copy of XP for years, quite a bit before I jumped into Linux. I'm trying to get my $120 worth before I decide to ditch it.

you actually paid for that **** winblowz? Bahh just rip it lol... I only use linux :D


Basically I dont see any advantages to using linux over windows xp, Im dual booting windows and ubuntu. Ubuntu is nice and all but I dont see anything that would make me prefer it over windows.The only thing i have been using ubuntu for is web browsing playing music/movies (cant play games) which I can do better/hassle free in windows.

So what are the advantages of l using linux over xp?

IT IS FREE!! with FREE updates... What more could you want? It is also a STABLE system. I have a ******** more windows open with linux and it still plays my mp3's constantly... It doesn't stutter or anything. With this many windows on winblowz it would be all choppy! Linux is a powerhouse :D

I just realized I quoted from page 1 on a 330 page thread hahaha!

nayab
March 9th, 2009, 03:12 AM
I can't be bothered reading through 300 pages either. :)

But I can say that after a day with 32 bit Ubuntu and a day with 64 bit Ubuntu that this dual booting is going to stay. If I want XP, it is going to stay on my laptop. I see lots of free and useful apps that are well coded.

I also see that with 2Gb of RAM, I am have yet to touch the swap area. I suppose that means it uses my RAM more efficiently. If I ever start having to touch the swap area of disk, then all I need do is get mnore RAM and actually be able to use it properly rather than be restricted to 3.5Gb or so under 32bit XP.

After a decade of professionally supporting Microsoft products, I have no fear of Linux based operating systems. They are not as user-unfriendly as I first thought.

I might sum it up best when I say that Ubuntu has given me what I need. Microsoft just kept piling on more stuff that they thought I might want. There is a difference.

jee_bee
March 9th, 2009, 03:51 AM
If u don't like ubuntu ur probaly the kind of guy who only use Live Messenger,
watch 200 funny youtube video a day, use limewire (because azureus say behind firewall and u dont even know what is a firewall), who ask how to get RUN when somebuddy tell him to do, RUN; REGEDIT...u know what i mean... replacementwindowsforum.com i think they gona be more helpful for u !!!
Im a 21yo Wincrap power user since i discover ubuntu i fall in love with
it !!!!! i still can't belive how flexible is linux a bit more thing to know
but a llllllot more posibility ANY WAY NOBODY FORCE U TO USE LINUX
IF U DON'T LIKE IT IT'S BECAUSE UR NOT REALY INTRO COMPUTER LIKE MY WYFE OR MY MOTHER !!! HAHA u should think a bit next time before to open a thread

POOR GUY WHO INSTAL UBUNTU ON UR SYSTEM HE GONNA AVE TO SEE U AGAIN WHEN U GONNA CALL HIM BACK TO UNINSTAL UBUNTU FOR U BECAUSE U BROBALY JUST LEARN HOW TO
READ UR E-MAIL. I DONT THINK U INSTAL OR UNINSTAL A OS IF U DOESN
SEE ANY AVENTAGE IN UBUNTU VS WINCRAP !!!

atulbamne
March 9th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Basically I am reasonably new to Linux. However,I have been using Windows right from Win98, ME/XP, Vista etc for a real long time. I have a great interest in Computer field and have been constantly updating myself with new things, books etc. I used windows for quite a long time so i have my opinions about it. Here, I will tell you the disadvantages of Windows which i have not found in Ubuntu.

1. The windows itself is a big bloatware. Windows install will put majority of the things on the PC which will normally not be required by the user.

2. The Programs which are used on Windows are again bloatwares. They will give you real use of 10% and eat memory to 90%. Nero, Quicktime are good examples.

3. Windows will always result in errors where there is even a small wrong functionality. You will find that the full program will not run if something small ( but not very critical) is missing.

4. It is designed by a commercial company which always try to maintain its monopoly over the users, by all possible means.

5. Installation methods, Customization methods are critical which required good study of the OS, otherwise there is always a big risk.

6. OS updates are many, they are usually big in size and still not so critical for the users.

7. As the OS and other programs are very costly to purchase for a common man, there is a lot of piracy which is not ethical in principle. Further, the pirated programs will definitely cause problems and not beneficial as original ones.

8. Viruses, Worms, Trojans ( the list is long).

These things are not in Linux, So you must use Linux.

RedSingularity
March 9th, 2009, 06:49 AM
Cuz its better

arnov007
March 9th, 2009, 08:34 AM
I am using happily Ubuntu 8.10 and I am now planning for other distributions. Meanwhile I've downloaded Mandriva Linux One 2009 GNOME, Debian 5 and Open SUSE 11.1 GNOME. Which one should I try now among these.

toufel
March 9th, 2009, 09:14 AM
Well, the reasons are

Security - I don't want to be on my toes all the time and frantically download updates for my antivirus.

Looks - Ubuntu looks way better than XP. I love the smooth on-screen fonts. If I want something similar, I must upgrade to Vista and I can't.

Curiosity - I love using a new OS after a very long time.

Hassle Free - No drivers needed, works right out of the box.

Phil Binner
March 9th, 2009, 03:35 PM
I'm new to Ubuntu and having problems with it; mostly for conceptual reasons I think. My real reason for wanting a new operating system is that Microsoft are getting too big for their boots, and a lot too expensive. Up until the end of the 1980's IBM ruled the computer market, and laid on lots of restrictive practices. Then microsoft came along, and suddenly IBM's domination seemed to dissolve. I ran a small software company at the time, and Microsoft treated us like royalty. It was a very exciting time. Now though, Microsoft seem to behaving the same way IBM did then, and I for one am looking forward to the new crusader to knock them over. I'm hoping this is Linux.

teamjh14
March 9th, 2009, 03:55 PM
The real question is "Why do I still use Windows?"

And the answer is "3ds Max." If I could run 3ds Max on Mac OS X or Ubuntu, then bye bye to Windows!

I'm a TGEA owner, and unfortunately (or not, I suppose), 3ds Max is the most comprehensive 3d suite out there.

One of the earlier posts explained best by stating "Windows is mostly bloatware." It is. I mean, Ubuntu is released every six months (or every two years, I suppose, depending how you look at it) and look at the strides they made! From Windows XP to Vista, what was their big accomplishment? What was their claim to fame? What did they advertise to death on their commercials for Vista?

Automatic panoramic photo stitching.

Stop the presses. I could've sworn that technology has been out for eons now, but clearly I was wrong. Your intuition ASTOUNDS Microsoft.

juppuk
March 9th, 2009, 11:02 PM
ok so you sure opened up a masive can of worms here. so many answers for such a simple question.
well ill have a go aswell.
im very new to linux although ive known about it for a long time, i never used it because i was glued to windows since back in the days of 98 and ME. ive alwaysed used it and i adore xp they just got it sorted, running well and all ironed out (linux users will disagree) Then they cocked up with vista big time it didnt work loads of bugs, errors crashing etc. it was a very rushed project and we dont know why. for this reason i wanted to finally go to linux as the support will stop now for xp, linux is free security is better all the usual stuff thats been mentioned 1000 times already. i used it for a bit and i didnt find it much better than me old mate xp. i guess xp are where the roots are and any little thing can scare me back there.
i had problems sorting out network printing actually installing programs, compatability issues with sage accounts for example (this was a very big problem for me as i have clients that i do book work for who use sage) finding supstitutes for old xp programs were also a problem. graphics drivers seem to be a re ucoring discussion with linux.
cor im going on a bit but thats because im not one sided.
this wine program is ok but it doesnt work for everything, shame,
i used to like me gaming on pc i hate control pads however the cost of upgrading a pc twice a year is mental so i wouldnt need windows for that reason anymore but so many people on this forum slag off xp, blue screen of death, registry, crashing all that stuff but then they say they dual boot cos they need xp to run some old game or something vmware is all well and good but if xp is so bad just stay with linux dont dual boot or use wine
right heres the bottom line. we all grew up with windows at some point and its so easy to use, they must be doing something right cos they sell alot of products, remember not just os, bigger is not always better but it does have an affect this is why people dual boot for xp. the reason for antivirus??? well in my opionion microsoft are tied in with them so a few viruses are not so bad in their eyes. hackers, mostly ex microsoft engineers i sopose, who would want to hack something thats free this is why there are no issues with linux not because it bullet proof but because theres no enjoyment in it. dispite all the abuse im going to get from this post have a think before you do. i am right on some of this. theres no row to be started here i have experenced both sides of the fence.
if linux starting charging there would soon be viruses aimed at them but on the other hand more companies would open up to them offering their software. people love choices and freedom to do what ever they want and they get this with xp of course it is at a price. stick with what you know im still up in the air with it.
to be continued im sure........

villain_s_deeds
March 10th, 2009, 12:18 AM
I was running a dual boot recently, with XP. I installed Dapper from an outtdated book I got from the library, and when I upgraded to Hardy, it reformatted my whole HD, so no more Windows! I was a little upset at first, but I'm now having a pretty good time with just Ubuntu.

networm1230
March 10th, 2009, 12:43 AM
I use Linux because I don't rely need to maintain Linux's performance. like windows defrag and hard drive cleaning

matrixblue
March 10th, 2009, 02:11 PM
I made the switch for several reasons. I have a Toshiba laptop that came with Vista Basic installed. Naturally Vista ran much too slow than show be expected on a brand new PC and finding the XP drivers (which weren't available on Toshiba's website) took literally all night.

Even after I got all the drivers installed I couldn't get standby mode to work and the sound volume was pathetic!

So in comes Ubuntu. All my drivers are installed and working perfectly (except the ATI card which only needed my approval and installed itself automatically).

Last week I decided to commit to Ubuntu wholely and backed up all my data and did a complete format (I did this because I wanted to run 9.04 with ext4).

For most of windows programs I use Wine (which has made tremendous progress recently). What doesn't work with wine I run in Virtualbox. The only programs I haven't found suitable replacements for in the open source world are OneNote, Photoshop (GIMP doesn't quite do it for me), Dreamweaver and Flash.

I am a very happy camper in the Ubuntu world!

Nokes
March 13th, 2009, 01:16 AM
I'm using Linux so that I can make my own game system, using open source software, i use Windows to play games

networm1230
March 13th, 2009, 07:10 PM
I'm using Linux so that I can make my own game system, using open source software, i use Windows to play games

that cool

nrama
March 14th, 2009, 01:41 AM
I changed because I did not like the claustrophobic atmosphere of the Microsoft environment. Ubuntu 8.04 and Mandriva 2008.1 eminently provide for all my needs.

mpc350
March 14th, 2009, 04:40 AM
Ubuntu challenges me to learn more about computing, and does not revolve around corporate efforts to make money off people.

What keeps me going with it is the wonderful community of support.

vacc73
March 14th, 2009, 06:12 AM
There are over three hundred pages in this thread of good reasons to use ubuntu and linux in general over xp. All these people on their own time, and out of their own experience have made the effort to help you with this question. It is equally sure any of them would help you with any other ubuntu question you have, if it is in their power.Microsoft has to PAY their people! Add to that Ubuntu is faster and does all the most important things better and safer, and for FREE. Even Industrial Light and Magic is using linux according to googled sources.Can't do much better than that:popcorn:

mwillams73
March 14th, 2009, 09:23 AM
i have to keep xp cause linux cant get their os's right, everyother day there's a new bug or glitch that causes me to spend anywhere from a day to a week to fix and then start the process over again!!!!!!!! Ubuntu sucks!!!!!

k2t0f12d
March 14th, 2009, 10:47 AM
I bought a laptop from a work colleague that came with Windows installed. The very first thing I did was wipe the disk and put on something else that was sane, like Archlinux. I configured it to my liking one afternoon and use it now for absolutely everything I need. There is no reason to keep any version of Microsoft's software.

hacker_at_linux
March 14th, 2009, 03:08 PM
if you try some other apps, then you can do all those things better in linux.

try listening to music in amarok, try using kontact/evolution for PIM stuff. there are a lot of free linux apps which are much better than windows ones.

but the reason why i started using linux in the first place was because windows breaks every few months. so one time, instead of reformatting, i installed linux and ive been using it ever since. its more stable, faster, lets you do more with your computer, hell of a lot more fun, looks better and has practically 0 security issues.


there are a lot... really

a few practical ones:
no viruses, adware, spyware... whatever all that is called
you don't need to reinstall, just keep upgrading. at least debian based distros such as ubuntu
stability. it just _is_ more stable.

and once you know more about linux, you'll realise that you can tweak it as you want it, customize it to your needs.

plus you don't support an unethical monopolistic company.

my suggestions if you play games: dual boot with windows (games) and ubuntu (everything else)
go here: ubuntuguide.org

Hey all all those who prefer linux over windows just go and see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6892442#post6892442

and now tell why is all thsi stability not in my own system why I have to repair my system every single day of my life.
You can see me solving probs with configuration of linux every third day.

And if remains like this when will I get time to develop my skills.

I am just reparing reparing reapring it al the time n thats all .


While in windows even if you have viruses etc but it is more stable platform and more useful.

And now because of linux all of my data is at risk!!!!!!!

Who will pay me for my data.

These problems are not there in windows and if so can be repaired immediately .

I think if I keep using linux for a long time I will finish my computing skills and will only know to repair this **** ubuntu

Yownanymous
March 14th, 2009, 06:04 PM
Short answer: Linux is better.
Long answer: I'm sick of fearing viruses, being controlled by g-men in suits, sluggishness, the constant hardware and software failures and subsequent crashes, and the inability to carry out operations more complex than surfing the internet and writing a couple of documents.

hacker_at_linux
March 14th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Short answer: Linux is better.
Long answer: I'm sick of fearing viruses, being controlled by g-men in suits, sluggishness, the constant hardware and software failures and subsequent crashes, and the inability to carry out operations more complex than surfing the internet and writing a couple of documents.

Oh wow wht a reply.
They claim that this Os is better n can do a lot of things bt in fact if it cannot even handle simple operations like creating documents then It doesn't satisfies the basic need of a PC.
So it might be only good for servers bt on PC n home comps windows is the best cuz its easy to config and every thing is in so lay man's language. I dont understand if I want to blog then why I need a ftp server or a visualization software like VMware running on my system.

I just need a system which has speed n can do my job.

In the beginning even I thought that linux is gr8 bt now I have to know the horrors of linux.

And now my all data is at stake

I dont prefer linux to those who want an easy n to the point OS.

Now I am sick of downloading random libs to run some simple softwares.

Mounting drives is a head ache. And the confugring you ALSA to be able to hear your own movies.

My windows detects all hardwares.
There are a lot of drivers available for each hardware on windows but on linux its so hard to get a hardware to work.
If you see in windows it all so easy to use - I don't need to type 1001 commands to download a file or or to switch on my bluetooth device

In my Windows there are no crashes. Even if you say about speed I must tell you that my linux boots in around 45-50 sec while my windows boots in 15-20 sec.

On linux there is always a problem to find substitutes of software .

NO accurate software are present why always finding substitutes.

I must tell you Its not that good to use linux. Use windows or even Mac is good while it is also a UNIX based OS.

Why it is working so good and linux just sucks

Yownanymous
March 15th, 2009, 10:21 AM
Your argument is flawed. But there's no point in trying to explain why. And yes, you're going to call me a quitter or something, but I don't care. Go and have fun getting viruses, crashes and bluescreens.
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