Ubuntu's Goal

[Killer Cop]

I'm begining to have more and more interest in Ubuntu, especially with the new 7.10 release.

But I have tried to figure out what the goal for Ubuntu really is. Of course I can see that Ubuntu want to be more popular and reach a good slice of all the computer users out there. But what exactly is Ubuntu's goal? A "complete" version? Make manufactors do drivers for Linux? Anyone?

[mikewhatever]

I'm begining to have more and more interest in Ubuntu, especially with the new 7.10 release.

But I have tried to figure out what the goal for Ubuntu really is. Of course I can see that Ubuntu want to be more popular and reach a good slice of all the computer users out there. But what exactly is Ubuntu's goal? A "complete" version? Make manufactors do drivers for Linux? Anyone?

May be this helps http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy

[Killer Cop]

May be this helps http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy

I know the philosofy of Ubuntu, but I mean, the copyright holders, leaders whatever must have some sort of plan what way they are to go?

[saj0577]

I know the philosofy of Ubuntu, but I mean, the copyright holders, leaders whatever must have some sort of plan what way they are to go?

Nope their is no alteria motive mate all the ideas are on that philosophy page.

Saj

[FuturePilot]

Maybe this is it
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

[phidia]

It seems clear from the OP's response that open source ideology is not understood-both here and in the world at large.
Maybe a read of "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" (http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/) might help?

[bodhi.zazen]

Maybe this is it
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

lmao, outstanding link

But that is not a goal, just a bug report.

I think the goal is to offer a freely available, open source operating system that is as easy to use as possible.

[Killer Cop]

Maybe this is it
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

You don't understand what I mean?

It's simple. Is Ubuntu like some garage programmers that goes "Oh well let's make a operating system! What shall we call it? Cake? Caku? Ucaku? Oh thats nice, it has some of ring to it. So what's next guys?"

or like a organised company "We might want to start considering a better way to make the graphics installer, or should we concentrate on perfectionize the data encryption?"

That's what I always wondered about Ubuntu. How is the organisation and do the developers have any future plans for Ubuntu instead of just bug-fixing and minor software making?

[saj0577]

You don't understand what I mean?

It's simple. Is Ubuntu like some garage programmers that goes "Oh well let's make a operating system! What shall we call it? Cake? Caku? Ucaku? Oh thats nice, it has some of ring to it. So what's next guys?"

or like a organised company "We might want to start considering a better way to make the graphics installer, or should we concentrate on perfectionize the data encryption?"

That's what I always wondered about Ubuntu. How is the organisation and do the developers have any future plans for Ubuntu instead of just bug-fixing and minor software making?

Yeah developing it so it becomes the best OS around so improving major software works too. For example 98% of code i write for my own programs is never seen as it is not GUI. So even though you may not notice their will always be changes going on.

Saj

[Het Irv]

I think that what you are looking for is the Philosophy as posted above. From release to release the devlopers have different goals to improve on, but the ulimate goal is for Ubuntu to become a seriously considerd alternative to Windows.

[jfinkels]

You don't understand what I mean?

It's simple. Is Ubuntu like some garage programmers that goes "Oh well let's make a operating system! What shall we call it? Cake? Caku? Ucaku? Oh thats nice, it has some of ring to it. So what's next guys?"

or like a organised company "We might want to start considering a better way to make the graphics installer, or should we concentrate on perfectionize the data encryption?"

That's what I always wondered about Ubuntu. How is the organisation and do the developers have any future plans for Ubuntu instead of just bug-fixing and minor software making?

Ubuntu is a Linux distribution funded by Mark Shuttleworth of South Africa and his company, Canonical, Ltd. The philosophy of Ubuntu as an operating system is clearly stated here http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy

Ubuntu aims to create a stable, easy-to-use, and up-to-date operating system based on the GNU/Linux kernel, and specifically derived from the Debian operating system, which focuses on finding completely open source solutions to computer systems.

There is a core of developers, but there are also countless "MOTU" developers (Masters of the Universe), who take care of all the thousands of software packages you find in the repositories.

Software development == bug fixes.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29 for more information.

EDIT:

And as for the next release, specifically, take a look at the Hardy Heron roadmap: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+roadmap

[Killer Cop]

So, you say that there will be a new version of Ubuntu every 6 month ongoing for ever?

If so, don't you guys think people will be tired of that, reinstalling their OS every 6 month? Of course you can upgrade, but that's still risky and may cause errors, so a clean install is to prefer.

The reason why I don't have Ubuntu yet is because of two factors. Games and the feel of Ubuntu still is "beta" software.

[aysiu]

So, you say that there will be a new version of Ubuntu every 6 month ongoing for ever?

If so, don't you guys think people will be tired of that, reinstalling their OS every 6 month? Of course you can upgrade, but that's still risky and may cause errors, so a clean install is to prefer. Yes, Ubuntu will continue to have new versions every six months. You are not forced to upgrade (or even reinstall) every six months. In fact, the LTS releases (long-term support releases) are supported for three years on the desktop and five years on the server.

So you could install Ubuntu, keep it that version for three years (applying security updates as they come) and then upgrade or reinstall for the newest LTS version.

[FuturePilot]

So, you say that there will be a new version of Ubuntu every 6 month ongoing for ever?Yes

If so, don't you guys think people will be tired of that, reinstalling their OS every 6 month? Of course you can upgrade, but that's still risky and may cause errors, so a clean install is to prefer.
You don't have to upgrade every 6 months. Every regular version is supported for 18 months. The LTS releases are supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server.
I upgraded Feisty to Gutsy and didn't have a problem.

[Kilz]

So, you say that there will be a new version of Ubuntu every 6 month ongoing for ever?

If so, don't you guys think people will be tired of that, reinstalling their OS every 6 month? Of course you can upgrade, but that's still risky and may cause errors, so a clean install is to prefer.

The reason why I don't have Ubuntu yet is because of two factors. Games and the feel of Ubuntu still is "beta" software.

Well go and install it then maybe you will understand. If not then there is no sense talking about it over and over. Its like trying to have blind men describe a elephant. (http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/1/?letter=B&spage=3)

[ronmarley1]

jfinkles's post mentions Mark Shuttleworth. Here's his blog/web site: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/. Also, doing a search for his name at Google videos will have a bunch of results where you can see him talk about Ubuntu.

[Killer Cop]

Ubuntu is a Linux distribution funded by Mark Shuttleworth of South Africa and his company, Canonical, Ltd. The philosophy of Ubuntu as an operating system is clearly stated here http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy

Ubuntu aims to create a stable, easy-to-use, and up-to-date operating system based on the GNU/Linux kernel, and specifically derived from the Debian operating system, which focuses on finding completely open source solutions to computer systems.

There is a core of developers, but there are also countless "MOTU" developers (Masters of the Universe), who take care of all the thousands of software packages you find in the repositories.

Software development == bug fixes.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29 for more information.

EDIT:

And as for the next release, specifically, take a look at the Hardy Heron roadmap: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+roadmap

Finally something. :)

So, when do you think the "complete" Ubuntu is coming? The "complete/alpha" Ubuntu build? If it's coming at all?

Or is Mike just arranging new releases until Ubuntu get more popular?

[23meg]

But that is not a goal, just a bug report.

It is a clearly stated, real goal. Ubuntu does aim to dethrone Microsoft from its dominant position.



It's simple. Is Ubuntu like some garage programmers that goes "Oh well let's make a operating system! What shall we call it? Cake? Caku? Ucaku? Oh thats nice, it has some of ring to it. So what's next guys?"

or like a organised company "We might want to start considering a better way to make the graphics installer, or should we concentrate on perfectionize the data encryption?"

It's closer to the latter. Taking a look at the feature discussions and goals for the next release may clear some things up for you:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+roadmap
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy



That's what I always wondered about Ubuntu. How is the organisation

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment


and do the developers have any future plans for Ubuntu instead of just bug-fixing and minor software making?


See above.

[jfinkels]

So, you say that there will be a new version of Ubuntu every 6 month ongoing for ever?

I suggest doing some reading on Ubuntu's home page, my friend!

http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatIsubuntu/releases


If so, don't you guys think people will be tired of that, reinstalling their OS every 6 month? Of course you can upgrade, but that's still risky and may cause errors, so a clean install is to prefer.

You are in the Microsoft Windows mindset. You are not forced to upgrade. An upgrade will most likely not "cause errors", whatever that means.


The reason why I don't have Ubuntu yet is because of two factors. Games and the feel of Ubuntu still is "beta" software.
Try Ubuntu. Go on. Use it. Have you tried it yet? Legitimately used it as your sole operating system for more than a few hours?

[fatality_uk]

Maybe this is it
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

LOL, forgot about that bug.


I know the philosofy of Ubuntu, but I mean, the copyright holders, leaders whatever must have some sort of plan what way they are to go? Do you mean an internal business plan? Yes they have one. Will a commercial organisation like Canonical Ltd let you have that info. I doubt it!

Want to know future plans? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu

They are an organised and funded company. 5 minutes on Google and you will see the people, philosophy and direction that they are taking.

[jfinkels]

So, when do you think the "complete" Ubuntu is coming? The "complete/alpha" Ubuntu build? If it's coming at all?


Software is never "complete". However, Ubuntu 7.10, the current stable release, is indeed quite usable. :D

[fatality_uk]

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[Killer Cop]

I suggest doing some reading on Ubuntu's home page, my friend!

http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatIsubuntu/releases

You are in the Microsoft Windows mindset. You are not forced to upgrade. An upgrade will most likely not "cause errors", whatever that means.

Try Ubuntu. Go on. Use it. Have you tried it yet? Legitimately used it as your sole operating system for more than a few hours?

I'm sorry if I seem not to read the Ubuntu site or read pages at all. But it's because I HATE reading. Everytime I see long texts I give up before even start reading.

I've read somewhere on this forum that upgrading was risky somewhat, can't remember where unfortunatly.

Well I know that I'm not really forced to upgrade, but you just feel like you need to...

I have tried Ubuntu Live-CD many times now, and for what I've seen it's really good. I won't partion my harddisk in two as I have bad experience with that. So I guess I have to buy another harddisk to try Ubuntu for real.

Just another question. Of all voluntary programmers and designers etc. work, how much percent are they making of the total work for Ubuntu?

EDIT:

Well I can see what you mean jfinkels. But XP and Vista had some sort of alpha release. I know Vista at least sucks, but they still had some sort of "base" to work from. But I guess that will be equal to Ubuntu's LTS releases.

To fatality_uk; To your information, I don't know what trolling is. I've only read that it excisted, not what it is. So posting a picture, which I guess should look like a troll, gives absolutely no meaning. Just like your sig. ;)

[aysiu]

I'm sorry if I seem not to read the Ubuntu site or read pages at all. But it's because I HATE reading. Everytime I see long texts I give up before even start reading. Then don't ask people questions on an online forum. Any answer they give you you'll have to read.

Look for a Linux Users Group in your area (http://www.linux.org/groups/). There are Linux Users Groups all over the world. You can ask them questions and talk to them in person and not have to read any answers.


I've read somewhere on this forum that upgrading was risky somewhat, can't remember where unfortunatly. Upgrading is always risky, regardless of the operating system--Windows, Mac, Linux. My wife's upgrade to Mac OS X Tiger screwed up the permissions on her account and her printer settings.


Well I know that I'm not really forced to upgrade, but you just feel like you need to... Well, then it sounds as if you just have a cultural adjustment to make.


I have tried Ubuntu Live-CD many times now, and for what I've seen it's really good. I won't partion my harddisk in two as I have bad experience with that. So I guess I have to buy another harddisk to try Ubuntu for real. Do you have at least 512 MB of RAM? Then, considering doing a virtual installation:
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox

[Killer Cop]

Then don't ask people questions on an online forum. Any answer they give you you'll have to read.

Look for a Linux Users Group in your area (http://www.linux.org/groups/). There are Linux Users Groups all over the world. You can ask them questions and talk to them in person and not have to read any answers.

Upgrading is always risky, regardless of the operating system--Windows, Mac, Linux. My wife's upgrade to Mac OS X Tiger screwed up the permissions on her account and her printer settings.

Well, then it sounds as if you just have a cultural adjustment to make.

Do you have at least 512 MB of RAM? Then, considering doing a virtual installation:
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox

Sorry for my bad explanation, I hate to read long texts. Small parts of texts at one time is fine. That's why I don't read books but happily read the texting for a movie.

I live in Denmark, so there is no Linux groups unfortunatly.

I guess I have some cultural adjustemens to make as you say, but again, that what makes the world so great, our differences.

Virtual installation... Sounds nice, I'll check it out. :)

[aysiu]

I live in Denmark, so there is no Linux groups unfortunatly. Sure there are:
http://www.linux.org/groups/denmark.html



Virtual installation... Sounds nice, I'll check it out. :) Yes, it's a great way to have your cake and eat it, too. You can explore Ubuntu without harming your Windows installation, and you can easily switch back and forth between the two without having to reboot your computer every time.

The major downside is the amount of RAM you need. 512 MB is a bare minimum. If you have 1 GB, that's even better.

[Killer Cop]

Sure there are:
http://www.linux.org/groups/denmark.html

Yes, it's a great way to have your cake and eat it, too. You can explore Ubuntu without harming your Windows installation, and you can easily switch back and forth between the two without having to reboot your computer every time.

The major downside is the amount of RAM you need. 512 MB is a bare minimum. If you have 1 GB, that's even better.

Oh, haha nice explanation with that cake, got me laughing.. :D

I have 2 GB of RAM so that will not be a problem.

Will Compiz Fusion work? I so exited to try it! :D

So there is some groups, hmm, I might have missed seeing that.

[fatality_uk]

I live in Denmark, so there is no Linux groups unfortunatly.

Niels Kjøller Hansen has started a Danish Loco team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanishTeam
There is even a forum http://ubuntudanmark.dk/forum/

If you speak Danish, maybe easier to read longer text there ;) :popcorn:
Glad you liked the sig.

[aysiu]

Oh, haha nice explanation with that cake, got me laughing.. :D

I have 2 GB of RAM so that will not be a problem.

Will Compiz Fusion work? I so exited to try it! :D

So there is some groups, hmm, I might have missed seeing that.
I'm not sure if Compiz Fusion will work. If it doesn't, hopefully the ability to play around with Ubuntu in a safe virtual environment will get you comfortable enough with that you are willing to do a real installation and then get Compiz working... or, if you do get in touch with one of the LUGs in your area, one of the members may be able to help you get Compiz working.

[BrokeBody]

Maybe this is it
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

I remember when Mark said that the purpose of Ubuntu is to fix the bug #1. I don't remember where did I read it. Maybe it's on his web site.

[Killer Cop]

I'm not sure if Compiz Fusion will work. If it doesn't, hopefully the ability to play around with Ubuntu in a safe virtual environment will get you comfortable enough with that you are willing to do a real installation and then get Compiz working... or, if you do get in touch with one of the LUGs in your area, one of the members may be able to help you get Compiz working.

Okay, I'll try it out. I'll buy a new harddisk soon anyway. Thanks for the help. :)


Niels Kjøller Hansen has started a Danish Loco team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanishTeam
There is even a forum http://ubuntudanmark.dk/forum/

If you speak Danish, maybe easier to read longer text there
Glad you liked the sig.

Hehe, you're welcome! :D

[fatality_uk]

Det Var Så Lidt

[bruce89]

Ubuntu's Goal

To create a GUI tool for everything in Python.

[Killer Cop]

Det Var Så Lidt

Haha, danish!

Mon du så også kan læse det her?

:popcorn:


To create a GUI tool for everything in Python.

Yes that would help Ubuntu quite a bit.