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daynah
November 27th, 2007, 10:37 PM
http://colemak.com/
What do you think about the third most popular keyboard layout (cough - out of three)? Do any of you use it?
http://www.siteuri.ro/dvorak/ Says that it's about the same in effectiveness as Dvorak.
Myself? as a Dvorak user, I find that the vowels all being in one place really helps me when it's 4 am and I'm lost in reality and I need to start that sentence with that most important pronoun. "Where is it... it's over here somewhere... there it is... I!"
Edit: DARN IT! It's Colemak! Not Coleman. Don't hit me too hard.
lvleph
December 14th, 2007, 03:46 PM
http://colemak.com/
What do you think about the third most popular keyboard layout (cough - out of three)? Do any of you use it?
http://www.siteuri.ro/dvorak/ Says that it's about the same in effectiveness as Dvorak.
Myself? as a Dvorak user, I find that the vowels all being in one place really helps me when it's 4 am and I'm lost in reality and I need to start that sentence with that most important pronoun. "Where is it... it's over here somewhere... there it is... I!"
Edit: DARN IT! It's Colemak! Not Coleman. Don't hit me too hard.
By the way there is also ASSET (http://millikeys.sourceforge.net/asset/). Are you including R-Dvorak, L-Dvorak, and Dvorak as one layout? I am trying to decide which layout to use at this point. I am leaning toward colemak, for ease of learning.
daynah
December 14th, 2007, 03:50 PM
I didn't know about ASSET. My friend is on Colemak now, well, he's still learning but it's only been a bit.
lvleph
December 14th, 2007, 04:16 PM
There is also the Chubon.
http://atri.misericordia.edu/Papers/Chubon/Chubon.jpg
Suppose to be 5% faster according to
D Anson, S George, R Galup, B Shea, R Vetter. Efficiency of the Chubon versus the QWERTY keyboard. Assist Technol, 2001
fuscia
December 14th, 2007, 04:20 PM
oh. i was getting ready to go all webber grill on you all.
SunnyRabbiera
December 14th, 2007, 05:06 PM
I will stick to QWERTY, hey I only use two fingers anyway
mips
December 14th, 2007, 05:31 PM
It's taken me 25yrs to learn where the keys are on a qwerty keyboard and I still don't know where they all are. I simply cannot invest another 25yrs to try and learn a new layout ;)
fuscia,
I'll bring the steaks, chops, ribs & boerewors. Maybe someone else can bring the beer ;)
lvleph
December 14th, 2007, 05:42 PM
I will stick to QWERTY, hey I only use two fingers anyway
The paper I referenced suggest that is the easiest place to start from. So if you are going to change, changing now would be best.
lvleph
December 14th, 2007, 05:48 PM
Here is the BBQ
http://www.kreativekorp.com/miscpages/omgwtfbbq/omgwtfbbq.gif
I will bring the lollerskates
http://members.cox.net/pimpbot9000/lollerskates.gif
And we all can has cheezburger
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/i-can-has-cheezburger.jpg
daynah
December 14th, 2007, 06:00 PM
The paper I referenced suggest that is the easiest place to start from. So if you are going to change, changing now would be best.
You paper said that what would be the easiest place to start from?
lvleph
December 14th, 2007, 06:44 PM
There is little available evidence for claims of the efficiency of alternative keyboard layouts. Part of the difficulty in providing such evidence is that available research subjects typically have extensive experience with the standard keyboard, making a fair comparison of keyboard layouts difficult. The purpose of this study was to provide a true comparison of the QWERTY and Chubon keyboard layouts for individuals who type with a single digit by neutralizing prior experience through an inversion of the QWERTY keyboard. A single-subject, repeated measures design was used with a convenience sample of nine participants. Each participant began typing on a preselected keyboard and continued typing until fluency was achieved. This procedure was replicated with each keyboard layout. The words per minute typed at fluency for the Reverse QWERTY was approximately 62% of the QWERTY, indicating that the learned effect had been erased. The average typing speed of the Chubon was at least 5% higher and at most 51% higher than the Reverse QWERTY. There were no significant patterns of error. Results of this study indicate that the biomechanical layout of the Chubon is superior to that of the Reverse QWERTY and, by extension, to that of the QWERTY. Additional research is needed to expand knowledge of the effectiveness of the various alternative keyboard layouts.
If the user is not touch typing there is no reason to believe they have been accustomize to any extent toward one keyboard over the other. It is most likely that that user is still looking and searching for the keys to push, so after a short while the level of comfort between either keyboard should be the same.
tgalati4
December 14th, 2007, 07:18 PM
What is the name of the keyboard that has no printed keys. That's hardcore!
Lostincyberspace
December 14th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Keyboard.
daynah
December 14th, 2007, 07:57 PM
http://www.daskeyboard.com/
Das Keyboard :P
lvleph
December 14th, 2007, 08:05 PM
It is all about the Optimus. (http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/l)
Lostincyberspace
December 14th, 2007, 08:12 PM
It is all about the Optimus. (http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/l)
Does it run on Linux?
daynah
December 14th, 2007, 08:16 PM
If Optimus doesn't, Das Keyboard does. ;)
About Das Keyboard... though I realize they keys are more balanced and such, if I just wanted a blank keyboard, is there a way to rub the letters off of mine?
sloggerkhan
December 14th, 2007, 08:31 PM
I'm fairly attached to qwerty, however, I could probably make 1 or 2 adjustments. The one that stands out to me the most is moving backspace to caplocks... makes so much sense IMO. As a lefty, I don't even type qwerty correctly, I use my left hand for the letter y. I also pretty much never use the right shift or right ctrl keys.
Padrig Leamhnach
December 14th, 2007, 11:38 PM
I've been using Colemak for just under a year (since January), and find it a lot more comfortable to use. You can type 1968 words in the homerow, compared to 233 with Qwerty, so you move your fingers a lot less. Caps Lock also functions as a backspace key, so that's very helpful as well. I haven't had too much of a speed increase - I'm still at 70 wpm, but the comfort level makes up for that, I think.
mattr01
January 8th, 2008, 12:43 PM
http://colemak.com/
What do you think about the third most popular keyboard layout (cough - out of three)? Do any of you use it?
http://www.siteuri.ro/dvorak/ Says that it's about the same in effectiveness as Dvorak.
Myself? as a Dvorak user, I find that the vowels all being in one place really helps me when it's 4 am and I'm lost in reality and I need to start that sentence with that most important pronoun. "Where is it... it's over here somewhere... there it is... I!"
Edit: DARN IT! It's Colemak! Not Coleman. Don't hit me too hard.
That's ok. I am a colemak typist, and I love it. When I install hardy, I want to choose colemak, not touch the terminal.
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