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holihue
November 20th, 2007, 07:45 PM
I this post I read a lot of comments from people, and they really don't know Linux...:
http://www.itavisen.no/sak/497308/MSN-trojaner_har_infisert_11_000_PCer/

It is i Norwegian, but the title is "MSN-trojans has attacked 11 000 PC's".

Translated into English:


use linux.. I have nothing more to say =)

and after that:


well?? what with this?? do not use linux, it's not even for sale. If it was, noone would buy it, that is why people get linux, because they have no money to buy Windows...



You have obviously not understood this thing: Linux is for sale, RedHat earn a lot money on Linux, Novell earn money on Linux...
Not only on sale, but also support.
If you still live in that imagination that it's only poor nerds that runs Linux, should you really stop smoking that much crap...



You to now?? haha, use Linux, noooot.. I don't know why MS has higher share rate than Linux, since all "poor nerds" runs Linux



hmm, firstly it is no "Linux share", secondly Microsoft's share rate that high because they're largest... Wasn't so hard, was it?I have never said Linux is the solution for all problems, It would be same stupidity as you says Linux is unusable..... All of us that runs Linux totally misunderstood everything and only have to buy a bunch of Windows-license..... Or, no, I think not....




?I have never said Linux is the solution for all problems, It would be same stupidity as you says Linux is unusable.....
Look at my last post, and find a sentence where I said "Linux is unusable"


...Here it is a guy who doesn't understand Linux...
Alexis Phoenix
November 20th, 2007, 07:48 PM
Yes, you have to try to break it really hard to make it unusable :)
Kingsley
November 20th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Yup, you'd really have to stop smoking that much crap.
aysiu
November 20th, 2007, 08:22 PM
A trojan for Linux could easily be made as well.

Trojans, after all, work through social engineering and not necessarily an exploit of the OS structure or coding.

Just create a website that tells Ubuntu users In order to view this video, you have to download such-and-such codec. Click here to install. The same people who get these trojans on Windows would, if they were using Ubuntu, click to install, give their passwords, and then have their computers compromised.

This is what happened to Mac OS X just last week (http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/11/mac_trojan):
the Mac Trojan was found on a set of pornography sites, where attackers dangled free movies that supposedly required users to install a special Quicktime codec to view.

The codec, however, is fake. Instead of unlocking a skin flick, it installs what Intego dubbed the OSX.RSPlug.A Trojan horse on the user's computer.

Black-hat hackers have been using fake codecs for more than a year to trick Windows users into installing software. In this case, when the site serving the malware determines that a user is on a Mac, it delivers a Mac-specific version.
Dimitriid
November 20th, 2007, 10:22 PM
I disagree. Yes what you describe is possible, but Internet Explorer allows much easier ways to access the system thanks to things like Active X.

Somebody clever can infect just about anybody who is not as clever. This is however only part of the story on why trojans and other infections are so widespread on windows.
aysiu
November 21st, 2007, 12:25 AM
I disagree. Yes what you describe is possible, but Internet Explorer allows much easier ways to access the system thanks to things like Active X.

Somebody clever can infect just about anybody who is not as clever. This is however only part of the story on why trojans and other infections are so widespread on windows.
A trojan, by definition, needs someone "not as clever" to give permission to it. We are not, in this case, talking about "other infections."

And if the "not as clever" person gives permission, it doesn't matter what OS you're using.
Dimitriid
November 21st, 2007, 06:29 AM
I don't see how that is anything more than a technicality: a worm or a virus can be as malicious and for all intend and purposes, the users going back at forth on the original posts would likely misuse the terms anyway.
aysiu
November 21st, 2007, 06:33 AM
The topic at hand is regarding trojans, which require a user being duped (regardless of the OS), so I don't see how ActiveX has anything to do with it. If you trick a user into doing something stupid, the OS's security is irrelevant.

There is automated self-spreading malware, and then there is user-tricking manually installed malware. That's not a technicality. The first has everything to do with the OS and its built-in security structure. The second has everything to do with the user and how easily she or he is duped into installing things and giving away passwords for things.

Nobody even said anything about worms until post #7 of this thread.
Phil Airtime
November 22nd, 2007, 05:55 PM
The problem comes when Linux asks for a password so often that it becomes a routine thing.

Box appears, user taps root password into the keyboard almost on a reflex to make the box go away and get back on with what they were doing.