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grandsoul
November 7th, 2007, 09:32 PM
I'm familiar with linux, but a very novice user...in fact you could compare me to a normal end user of windows...well not that bad, but you get the idea.

Anyway, I would like to start using Ubuntu, but after reading that it uses gnome GUI, I was a little apprehensive (not a big fan of gnome). Though I haven't used Ubuntu in regards to gnome's interface. Though I am a big fan of KDE (it's what I've been primarily exposed too). 7.10 is supposed to be the easiest linux distro out there currently. So my question is this, if I use Kubuntu (7.10), will I lose any of the functionality that normal Ubuntu 7.10 has? Or not at all?

Also I'm not dead set on using KDE desktop. I would be willing to switch to Ubuntu's version of gnome, but only if it's comparible interms of setup and utilities...in short...HELP ME DECIDE! Please?

Kingsley
November 7th, 2007, 09:36 PM
Why can't you try both and decide for yourself? Check out the following link if you're confused.

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome

SomeGuyDude
November 7th, 2007, 09:38 PM
Honestly after trying both, I didn't see what the giant difference was. I went with Ubuntu for a few reasons.

1) I prefer the earth tones over the bright blue. Yeah you can customize it, but still.

2) It recognized my wireless and my display. If Kubuntu does that for you, go for it.

3) Kubuntu is Ubuntu with a K. Nuts to that, I'm using the original!

Pathfinder_
November 7th, 2007, 09:58 PM
I have kubuntu on my desktop and ubuntu on a laptop. Personlly, I prefer Ubuntu because it seems to be less buggy and apps like firefox integrate better with it. Also the network manager in ubuntu is better. IMO

However, the Kubuntu I use is 7.04 so the newer one might fix the little annoying bugs that there seems to be a lot of in the previous version.

grandsoul
November 7th, 2007, 10:17 PM
I have kubuntu on my desktop and ubuntu on a laptop. Personlly, I prefer Ubuntu because it seems to be less buggy and apps like firefox integrate better with it. Also the network manager in ubuntu is better. IMO

However, the Kubuntu I use is 7.04 so the newer one might fix the little annoying bugs that there seems to be a lot of in the previous version.

Thanks, this was the kinda stuff I needed to know, but I'm gonna check this thread more to see if anyone has any more input before I make a decision.

And to Kingsley, I could do that yes, I'd like to know which would be better to sink my teeth into first. Besides I have an idea how KDE in linux already is. My main concern is if ubuntu's features are lost in Kubuntu at all. And more experienced Linux users would be able to tell me that right off the bat. Saves me a lot of time.

Lostincyberspace
November 7th, 2007, 10:19 PM
I would install regular ubuntu and the add kde to it would be better supported

Vadi
November 7th, 2007, 10:25 PM
I use Ubuntu, but some outstanding KDE apps (Amarok, KMuddy) work just fine in it also :)

SomeGuyDude
November 7th, 2007, 10:27 PM
amaroK is amazing. I'd install a flavor of Linux just to be able to use it. It's the best music managing software I've EVER used.

Flyingjester
November 7th, 2007, 10:33 PM
I would install regular ubuntu and the add kde to it would be better supported

what he said

khurrum1990
November 7th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Hi, if u r choosing between Ubuntu and Kubuntu then choose Ubuntu. The reason is that Ubuntu is given a lot more importance than Kubuntu here. Kubuntu isn't treated equally, and gnome is considered the main desktop. Lets take OpenSuse as an example, their gnome interface sucks but their KDE is awesome and better supported. Different distributions support different desktops better. If ur choice is between Ubuntu and Kubuntu then choose Ubuntu. If ur choice is between gnome and kde then for gnome choose Ubuntu and for kde choose OpenSuse 10.3 in my opinion. OpenSuse 10.3 is probably the easiest to use and most polished distribution ever. I mainly use Ubuntu because I like gnome but I used to use OpenSuse 10.2 before and it was excellent. Here r there official pages:
Ubuntu Linux Gnome:
http://www.ubuntu.com
OpenSuse 10.3 Linux KDE:
http://en.opensuse.org
You will have to choose to download the kde cd though.
Good Luck!

MattBD
November 7th, 2007, 11:31 PM
I've used Kubuntu since the day Feisty Fawn came out. I do have to concede that it's slightly more complex than Ubuntu, but not by much. It's probably very slightly harder to install all the codecs like MP3 playback and Flash than in Ubuntu, as there aren't the same easy GUI tools for it, but all you need to do for that is just install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package.
Ultimately, I'd say try both. If you're used to KDE and you'd prefer to use that, then go for Kubuntu, but if you don't get on with it, all you need to do is install the ubuntu-desktop package and you'll have an Ubuntu install (just with the choice of the Kubuntu desktop as well).
But definitely install Amarok, even if you plump for Ubuntu. It is absolutely the best music player ever.

AndyCooll
November 7th, 2007, 11:57 PM
Similar to what's already been said. Start off with Ubuntu, and become familiar with the basics. Then try a few alternative desktop environments (e.g. KDE, XFCE, Enlightenment), find out which one you prefer and away you go.

:cool:

keyboardashtray
November 8th, 2007, 01:51 AM
I use GNOME but I just took KDE for my first spin yesterday and I was pretty impressed. I loved the package handling, you can search within categories. You can also use the KDE equivalent to the Add/Remove applet (the dumbed down version of the package handler, I forget the name) to search specifically for KDE packages (or Gnome, for that matter). Wish Add/Remove had that.

I picked Ubuntu for the reasons that people have mentioned: "why not take the official, all other things being equal?" I thought.

But you already seem to have a hefty slant towards KDE. Why not try Kubuntu and see what it can do for the DE you already prefer?

I will say I had a video detection issue on the Kubuntu Live CD that I didn't with Ubuntu or Xubuntu. But assuming they both work for you, I'd go with what you already like best.

samjh
November 8th, 2007, 02:50 AM
I've used both, and here are the pros and cons, from my experience. Your mileage may vary.

For the record, I currently use the Gnome version of Ubuntu, which has always been my main choice for this distro.

Kubuntu

Pros
Very easy to customise every aspect of your computer using graphical tools.
Well organised administration and preferences applet.
Good graphical package manager.
Single panel with good organisation.
Powerful multimedia players.
Great support for CD/DVD burning.
Powerful default personal information manager (Kontact).
Cons
Proprietary codecs slightly difficult to install.
Cluttered main menu which doesn't always behave as expected.
Archive manager is less flexible than Ubuntu's.
Buggy Add/Remove programs feature.

Ubuntu

Pros
Easy to install proprietary codecs.
Reliable Add/Remove Programs feature.
Very simple main menu.
General ease-of-use for beginners.
Superior community and developer support, by virtue of being the default desktop environment for the Ubuntu distro.
Cons
Limited number of graphical options for customising your computer.
Although CD/DVD burning support is good, it lacks options for more advanced burning.
Default personal information manager (Evolution) is cluttered despite lacking in features compared to Kontact.
Two panels requiring traversal between the top and bottom of the screen.
Very cluttered System preferences and administration menus.


Take note that I was only comparing DEFAULT settings. Some of the cons can be overcome by installing add-ons or plugins, or customising various settings.

Some critiques are highly subjective to my own preference. For example, I am a human-computer interfacing specialist, and I know from experience that users are more efficient at navigating a single-panelled environment than multi-panelled ones, hence my dislike for Gnome's dual-panel desktop setup and partiality to KDE's single-panel setup. My background has also made me dislike the excessive widget and font size of Ubuntu, as demonstrated by Evolution's fat but feature-dry interface, as opposed to Kontact's cluttered but still relatively navigable interface.

SomeGuyDude
November 8th, 2007, 03:48 AM
I think it's worth noting on the software side that you can definitely install stuff from one onto the other. I've got amaroK going right now and messed with Kopete for a bit before deciding I liked Pidgin better.

Adding in that you can customize either, it seems like it's a pretty minor difference for the average person. If you're leaning toward one, I can't imagine what would prove so severe that it'd cause you to switch.

grandsoul
November 8th, 2007, 04:31 PM
I'm not dead set on using KDE and I honestly don't have a preference. My main exposure to gnome has been through OpenSuse, and as Khurrum has pointed out, it sucks. I'm a windows guy only by virtue of gaming. I'd like to switch to linux for all my non-gaming purposes (desktop for gaming, laptop for everything else). But also keep in mind, I'm still new to linux. I've been dual booting my laptop with windows and linux for a little while, but still primarily using windows, due to applications I wanted to use. Anyway, what I'm saying is, I want to start using linux, but my main concern is ease of use. From what I'm reading Ubuntu does just that. But I'm basically confused on which distro to use. I'm used to KDE, but from what you guys are saying Gnome on Ubuntu is easier too use. Though Gnome lacks a few features that KDE has. Any chance you can let me know what the main ones are and what I can do to install them? I understand I'm asking quite a bit, but I want to make sure that I when I start using Linux, I got all I need for the long haul to make the switch.

Though I am concerned of the CD/DVD burning features that you guys mention in terms of Ubuntu. You say Gnome's burning features lack compared to KDE? In what ways, and is there anyway to improve that?

Also, yeah I've used Amarok and yes, I think it rocks too.

p_quarles
November 8th, 2007, 04:43 PM
Though I am concerned of the CD/DVD burning features that you guys mention in terms of Ubuntu. You say Gnome's burning features lack compared to KDE? In what ways, and is there anyway to improve that?
I think that post was referring to K3b, the default CD/DVD suite in the KDE. Lots of people use it with Gnome, so that's not really a problem.

grandsoul
November 8th, 2007, 05:02 PM
I think that post was referring to K3b, the default CD/DVD suite in the KDE. Lots of people use it with Gnome, so that's not really a problem.

Oh ok, thanks :). I'll be sure to check that out!

SomeGuyDude
November 10th, 2007, 03:41 AM
I think that post was referring to K3b, the default CD/DVD suite in the KDE. Lots of people use it with Gnome, so that's not really a problem.

I messed with that software, by the by. Took about TWO HOURS to pull off of my Ratatouille DVD so I could make a copy of it.

p_quarles
November 10th, 2007, 04:08 AM
I messed with that software, by the by. Took about TWO HOURS to pull off of my Ratatouille DVD so I could make a copy of it.
I've never used it to rip DVDs, since there are specialized apps for that (K9copy, for KDE). For all other optical-disk related tasks, though, I think it's one of the best apps available.

mech7
November 10th, 2007, 03:44 PM
Kubuntu is even harder to pronounce than Ubuntu, so i would go for ubuntu.. makes life easier.