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RAV TUX
October 17th, 2007, 12:46 AM
This is a thread for discussion about Black or Dark themes in any DE, (Screenshots not necessary, the one below is just to inspire discussion on "Black Themes") Have fun and remember to be kind to each other ;)

Sometimes things are better in black & white, like the e17 "Black Theme" with a white lion background on Xubuntu 7.10

http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/albums/userpics/normal_snapshot6%7E1.png (http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-291)
(the post below & photo-link will take you to the page with the lion screenshot, once at Optickle Art simply click on the image to see it full screen)
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-291

adamorjames
October 17th, 2007, 12:48 AM
Coooool, awesome wallpaper. Black and white will always look good together.

-grubby
October 17th, 2007, 12:49 AM
Do you post everytime you get a new theme for your spiffy E17?

RAV TUX
October 17th, 2007, 12:51 AM
Do you post everytime you get a new theme for your spiffy E17?
No this is an old one, I mainly wanted to enter into discussion into "Black Themes".

Do you have a favorite "Black Theme" on any DE?

adamorjames
October 17th, 2007, 12:51 AM
btw E17 is awesome. :guitar: I suggest to anyone who hasn't to try it.

vambo
October 17th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Cripes .... that looks like my ex's mother ):P

RAV TUX
October 17th, 2007, 12:53 AM
Coooool, awesome wallpaper. Black and white will always look good together.
I started with the Lion background and first I was going to go with a "Milky" white theme but then I thought the Black/White contrast would look better together.

-grubby
October 17th, 2007, 12:59 AM
No this is an old one, I mainly wanted to enter into discussion into "Black Themes".

Do you have a favorite "Black Theme" on any DE?

Fluxbox the outcomes theme

n3tfury
October 17th, 2007, 01:55 AM
looks like a post that belongs in the desktops thread.

RAV TUX
October 17th, 2007, 02:07 AM
btw E17 is awesome. :guitar: I suggest to anyone who hasn't to try it.
I couldn't agree more

DeadSuperHero
October 17th, 2007, 02:29 AM
Rav, you're a posting machine. You've posted sooo many wild themes here.
Does it ever get hard to choose a favorite theme?

PrimoTurbo
October 17th, 2007, 02:52 AM
We have a monthly desktop thread, maybe you should keep your posts there...

Frak
October 17th, 2007, 03:07 AM
Cool Desktop, e17 is good, but I just have a thing for KDE.

I give it kudos, though it needs more developers.

j.miller565
October 17th, 2007, 03:10 AM
That looks pretty nice. e17 is nice but I seem to like GNOME and OpenBox the best

fuscia
October 17th, 2007, 03:42 AM
'sometimes'? when it comes to photography, b&w is where it's at baby!

RAV TUX
October 17th, 2007, 05:59 AM
Rav, you're a posting machine. You've posted sooo many wild themes here.
Does it ever get hard to choose a favorite theme?

The Black Theme is my favorite for now


Cool Desktop, e17 is good, but I just have a thing for KDE.

I give it kudos, though it needs more developers.

KDE is very, very nice perhaps one of the very best.

I was just reading where KDE4 will work in Macs, also.

This should further the development of KDE.




'sometimes'? when it comes to photography, b&w is where it's at baby!

B&W is very, very nice...

FuturePilot
October 17th, 2007, 06:12 AM
That looks awesome. I love the wallpaper.

RAV TUX
October 17th, 2007, 06:18 AM
That looks awesome. I love the wallpaper.
I've changed the wallpaper already but I can't post a screenshot here(I could post it in the Smithsonian Museum but such fine art isn't allowed at ubuntuforums.org,...perhaps I'll post later at Optickle Art.)

D-EJ915
October 17th, 2007, 06:36 AM
yeah that nipple was quite interesting, quite a surprise since I was expecting a lion to show up.

RAV TUX
October 17th, 2007, 06:39 AM
yeah that nipple was quite interesting, quite a surprise since I was expecting a lion to show up....not sure what your talking about since the only links here go to the Lion screenshot?

I just edited an explanation that the link will take you to a post of the lion screenshot:


This is a thread for discussion about Black or Dark themes in any DE, (Screenshots not necessary, the one below is just to inspire discussion on "Black Themes") Have fun and remember to be kind to each other ;)

Sometimes things are better in black & white, like the e17 "Black Theme" with a white lion background on Xubuntu 7.10

http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/albums/userpics/normal_snapshot6%7E1.png (http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-291)
(the post below & photo-link will take you to the page with the lion screenshot, once at Optickle Art simply click on the image to see it full screen)
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-291

urukrama
October 17th, 2007, 11:26 AM
Rav Tux, why do you always start your own thread to show your desktop? Is the monthly desktop thread not good enough for you? :confused:

popch
October 17th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Black and white themes can be very impressive.

Lions on the desktop can also be impressive, especially the one shown at the start of this thread.

What has one to to with the other? The lion is beautiful and of a very light color, but it is neither black nor white. I think it would also go well with a black(ebony or dark grey) and very light tan or ivory scheme.

adamorjames
October 17th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Rav Tux, why do you always start your own thread to show your desktop? Is the monthly desktop thread not good enough for you? :confused:

This thread is made for people to show their favorite black theme(s). :) What is your favorite?

sayuki288
October 17th, 2007, 01:42 PM
cool :) i'll make my desktop like that :lolflag:

floke
October 17th, 2007, 01:56 PM
The link doesn't work for me....

Anyone else got probs with it?

bigken
October 17th, 2007, 02:06 PM
The link doesn't work for me....

Anyone else got probs with it?

it dont work for me either :confused:

Rui Pais
October 17th, 2007, 02:09 PM
In my case i always liked clear, white or "cream" themes. Dark ones always stressed my eyes...
Fail to see why i started to like dark/black ones lately... maybe it's the age? :lol: Or cause i have a new HPw2207 very shiny and very black...

Here my collection of links for black themes for several DE:
for e17:
http://www.e17-stuff.org/content/show.php/BlackTheme?content=60376

for enlightenment (e16):
http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/blacke/

for gnome/XFCE:
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/G-Tangish+Black+%28Bansteen%29?content=67857

black one from ubuntu studio:
http://www.belutz.net/2007/05/11/installing-ubuntu-studio-theme/

One of my favorites, for fluxbox:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=320104
(the only thing i miss on e17 is a way to set border windows transparent, event fake transparency as in fluxbox would be nice...)

For KDE:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Black+Theme?content=23611&PHPSESSID=cae
(?? never use this ...)

floke
October 17th, 2007, 02:30 PM
it dont work for me either :confused:

Unless this is Rav's new theme....?

floke
October 17th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Arch Linux black theme...

borris.morris
October 17th, 2007, 02:36 PM
Here's mine. I just made it using the default KDE theme and changing the colors around a bit. the background is Rush (the band)!:guitar: I've decided that B&W is now one of my favorite color schemes, great contrast, simple, yet elegant.

Rui Pais
October 17th, 2007, 02:39 PM
Arch Linux black theme...

You mean compiz-fusion (or emerald)... Arch is not an DE ;)

angryfirelord
October 17th, 2007, 03:16 PM
I like some of the Sidux wallpapers.

corney91
October 17th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Out of 3 DEs, I have 4 themes (2 profiles in E17), 3 of the themes are dark.
Some screenies...

adamorjames
October 17th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Out of 3 DEs, I have 4 themes (2 profiles in E17), 3 of the themes are dark.
Some screenies...(GNOME first, I'll add the others when I log into the other DEs)

Interesting clock

happysmileman
October 17th, 2007, 10:33 PM
|I'm currently using "Kore" on KDE, but I don't yet have Compiz-fusion installed so I'm using the "Crystal" window decorations (I don't like the domino one,despite liking the style for widgets and stuff when you use it with the Kore config file

floke
October 17th, 2007, 10:37 PM
You mean compiz-fusion (or emerald)... Arch is not an DE ;)

Sorry - I mean MY Arch theme using gnome, compiz-fusion, X, intel drivers, a toshiba laptop, and a settee.

Oh - and some funky black stuff.;-)

angryfirelord
October 17th, 2007, 10:45 PM
I'm surprised no one has a Ubuntu SE desktop posted yet. :twisted:

adamorjames
October 17th, 2007, 10:47 PM
I'm surprised no one has a Ubuntu SE desktop posted yet. :twisted:

Maybe you should post one. :lolflag:

Rui Pais
October 17th, 2007, 10:49 PM
Sorry - I mean MY Arch theme using gnome, compiz-fusion, X, intel drivers, a toshiba laptop, and a settee.

Oh - and some funky black stuff.;-)

Don't worry i was just being picky with you ;)

Nice themed anyway (i love that specific background, i use it too), the only thin that i think not fits completly is th color of gtk widgets, the dark-rose/soft-brown.

corney91
October 17th, 2007, 10:57 PM
Interesting clock

It's just conky with the Purisa font. It's really useful as I hate the default taskbar one.

adamorjames
October 18th, 2007, 12:41 AM
It's just conky with the Purisa font. It's really useful as I hate the default taskbar one.

Ahh okay. Looks nice.

RAV TUX
October 18th, 2007, 12:48 AM
I find I like a "Black" or "dark" Theme because my monitor is sooo bright and adjusting it down doesn't seem to work.

Did you get the Optickle Art website working?...I am thinking of switching host.

RAV TUX
October 18th, 2007, 01:04 AM
Don't worry i was just being picky with you ;)

Nice themed anyway (i love that specific background, i use it too), the only thin that i think not fits completly is th color of gtk widgets, the dark-rose/soft-brown.

Rui Pais I just tried your "Black Emerald" theme, I have to say it is awesome and it is my new favorite theme!

For those who want to try Rui Pais's "Black Emerald" e17 theme go to this post:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3530578&postcount=61

Most beautiful Black Theme I have seen yet in any DE.

Rui Pais' BlackEmerald e17 theme on Xubuntu 7.10
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/albums/userpics/normal_snapshot16%7E0.png (http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=74)

http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=74

RAV TUX
October 18th, 2007, 01:09 AM
Rui Pais I just tried your "Black Emerald" theme, I have to say it is awesome and it is my new favorite theme!

For those who want to try Rui Pais's "Black Emerald" e17 theme go to this post:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3530578&postcount=61

Most beautiful Black Theme I have seen yet in any DE.

Also Rui Pais' blackemerald+mycthulhain (http://ruialeixopais.planetaclix.pt/linux/rui_themes.zip) is very, very nice...

Now I have to decide which one I like the best...

Torn between two awesome themes! ;)

Rui Pais' blackemerald+mycthulhain e17 theme on Xubuntu 7.10
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/albums/userpics/normal_snapshot17%7E0.png (http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=76)

http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=76

floke
October 18th, 2007, 04:06 PM
I'm feeling inspired to try e17 again!

Rui Pais
October 18th, 2007, 08:43 PM
Also Rui Pais' blackemerald+mycthulhain (http://ruialeixopais.planetaclix.pt/linux/rui_themes.zip) is very, very nice...

Now I have to decide which one I like the best...

Torn between two awesome themes! ;)

:D
thanks! it's "strange" see parts of my usual desktop on others screenshots :lol:

btw, i changed the ibar opacity to work in a full transparent shelf, to be very discrete and unobtrusive.
On a shelf with an image maybe would be better revert to a non transparent effect. It can be made by simply editing the default_ibar.edc file and replace all "color: 255 255 255 128;" with "color: 255 255 255 255;" and recompile edj again :) (tweak themes is easy ;))

EDIT:
:shock: it's even easier! I discover now that one can assign every little piece of e17 to a different theme or mix what ever one want. Oh boy!
Configuration -> Themes -> Advanced. From Theme Categories pick modules/ibar and from Themes choose BlackTheme. Leave all the other other set to BlackEmerald, :mrgreen:



I'm feeling inspired to try e17 again!

It's easy, after all. And if you end up not like it, you just have to delete it.
It's small, don't require much disk space, and don't mix files/libs in your system, so don't break nothing and when removed don't leave "ghost" files everywhere :)

RAV TUX
October 18th, 2007, 11:12 PM
:D
thanks! it's "strange" see parts of my usual desktop on others screenshots :lol:

btw, i changed the ibar opacity to work in a full transparent shelf, to be very discrete and unobtrusive.
On a shelf with an image maybe would be better revert to a non transparent effect. It can be made by simply editing the default_ibar.edc file and replace all "color: 255 255 255 128;" with "color: 255 255 255 255;" and recompile edj again :) (tweak themes is easy ;))

EDIT:
:shock: it's even easier! I discover now that one can assign every little piece of e17 to a different theme or mix what ever one want. Oh boy!
Configuration -> Themes -> Advanced. From Theme Categories pick modules/ibar and from Themes choose BlackTheme. Leave all the other other set to BlackEmerald, :mrgreen:




Rui Pais Thanks for the 411, it's amazing how user friendly e17 really is.

Papi-KB7VGW
October 19th, 2007, 12:07 AM
As a dinosaur B&W photographer with my own darkroom, I have a very special place in my heart for ALL things B&W. I am always on the lookout for dark or B&W backgrounds. It is so much more emotional than color.

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 12:18 AM
As a dinosaur B&W photographer with my own darkroom, I have a very special place in my heart for ALL things B&W. I am always on the lookout for dark or B&W backgrounds. It is so much more emotional than color.

I like B&W prints from MC Escher also.

bruce89
October 19th, 2007, 12:19 AM
Useful for saving the night vision.
46745

Ripfox
October 19th, 2007, 12:24 AM
Cripes .... that looks like my ex's mother ):P

:lolflag:

Papi-KB7VGW
October 19th, 2007, 12:34 AM
I like B&W prints from MC Escher also.

I hadn't been there before but in the few minutes checking it out there are some very nice prints. I plan to go back. Thanks Rav Tux:)

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 01:19 AM
I hadn't been there before but in the few minutes checking it out there are some very nice prints. I plan to go back. Thanks Rav Tux:)Good Welcome. ;)

tdrusk
October 19th, 2007, 01:25 AM
'sometimes'? when it comes to photography, b&w is where it's at baby!

"black and white would really capture the moment"

kudos for those that understand that

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 01:48 AM
"black and white would really capture the moment"

kudos for those that understand that

I am an amatuer photographer at best and although I use a digital camera now, my medium of choice is black and white film photography.

Frak
October 19th, 2007, 01:59 AM
Wow, I guess I'm the only one that gets depressed when looking at B&W art :(

Old photos are alright ;)

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 02:02 AM
Coooool, awesome wallpaper. Black and white will always look good together.

Technically the background is in color but it does create a very nice light dark contrast.

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 02:03 AM
Wow, I guess I'm the only one that gets depressed when looking at B&W art :(

Old photos are alright ;)

I'll have to find you some cool black & white pictures that aren't depressing.

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 02:14 AM
Wow, I guess I'm the only one that gets depressed when looking at B&W art :(

Old photos are alright ;)Take a look at this one:


http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-301

...not a true black and white but black & whiteish.

adamorjames
October 19th, 2007, 02:15 AM
Take a look at this one:


http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-301

Not showing up.
http://www.cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=0&pos=-301 eh? It is 301 just like the link you gave.

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 02:16 AM
Not showing up.hmmm...I think I need a new host?

adamorjames
October 19th, 2007, 02:23 AM
hmmm...I think I need a new host?

Was the one I showed the right one? It has your name on it and the right number at the end of the addy.
EDIT: Your link works now.

Frak
October 19th, 2007, 02:30 AM
Take a look at this one:


http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-301

...not a true black and white but black & whiteish.
Nice :)

Frak
October 19th, 2007, 02:31 AM
hmmm...I think I need a new host?
What is your host, I like their serving so far. Also, what is their PHP policy?

angryfirelord
October 19th, 2007, 02:37 AM
Maybe you should post one. :lolflag:
Muhahahaha. One of us! One of us!

D-EJ915
October 19th, 2007, 02:56 AM
Useful for saving the night vision.
46745
That looks nice, where could I get the GTK theme from?

LuisAugusto
October 19th, 2007, 07:05 AM
Elive and Ubuntu Studio beauty mixed.

wolfen69
October 19th, 2007, 07:11 AM
here is my ubuntustudio desktop. nice and simple.

hessiess
October 19th, 2007, 08:13 AM
i dont rilly give a damn about themes, as long as its resnobily clean, and works

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Nice :)Thanks.

bruce89
October 19th, 2007, 04:34 PM
That looks nice, where could I get the GTK theme from?

It's just Clearlooks with modified colours.

~/.themes/Night Vision:

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Night vision
Type=X-GNOME-Metatheme
Comment=Night vision theme, saves the eye in the dark.
Encoding=UTF-8

[X-GNOME-Metatheme]
GtkTheme=Glossy
GtkColorScheme=fg_color:#000000000000,bg_color:#8b 8b00000000,text_color:#eeee00000000,base_color:#00 0000000000,selected_fg_color:#000000000000,selecte d_bg_color:#eeee00000000
MetacityTheme=Glossy
IconTheme=Tangerine

PartisanEntity
October 19th, 2007, 09:06 PM
I installed E17, my first question is do I need special themes for it and if yes are there any well known sites for such themes?

Rui Pais
October 19th, 2007, 09:20 PM
I installed E17, my first question is do I need special themes for it and if yes are there any well known sites for such themes?

hi,
usually the themes here are up-to-date:
http://www.get-e.org/

and thats another excellent site for e17 eye-candy:
http://e17-stuff.org/

Check my mini how-to on how to do/edit a theme, with yet another theme (the one That RAV TUX posted a few posts above and in the OP) here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3530286&postcount=57).

Theres another famous theme, detour, that have it's own site i'll shearch for it and post a link (here it is (http://cored.org/proto/detour/), i think it need to be compiled... screenshots (http://heka.lok.free.fr/spip.php?article4)).

Hope you like them :)

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 10:51 PM
I installed E17, my first question is do I need special themes for it and if yes are there any well known sites for such themes?

PartisanEntity to answer your first question you don't necessarily need a special theme with e17, the default bling-bling theme is quite nice but if you favor a different look the links Rui Pais provided are awesome.

With That said my two favorite themes are the ones built by Rui Pais(which he built on existing themes) found here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3530578&postcount=61).

PartisanEntity welcome to the world of enlightenment I hope that you enjoy e17 as much as I do and choose to make it your default desktop session.


hi,
usually the themes here are up-to-date:
http://www.get-e.org/

and thats another excellent site for e17 eye-candy:
http://e17-stuff.org/

Check my mini how-to on how to do/edit a theme, with yet another theme (the one That RAV TUX posted a few posts above and in the OP) here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3530286&postcount=57).

Theres another famous theme, detour, that have it's own site i'll shearch for it and post a link (here it is (http://cored.org/proto/detour/), i think it need to be compiled... screenshots (http://heka.lok.free.fr/spip.php?article4)).

Hope you like them :)
Rui Pais again I have to Thank You, you have single handedly(with the work of others of course) made e17 on Ubuntu an easily attainable reality.

Thank You for helping make my computing experience exactly like I have always dreamed it could be and so much more.

I am sure many people will benefit from your humble contributions.

Rui Pais
October 19th, 2007, 11:05 PM
...
Rui Pais again I have to Thank You, you have single handedly(with the work of others of course) made e17 on Ubuntu an easily attainable reality.

Thank You for helping make my computing experience exactly like I have always dreamed it could be and so much more.

I am sure many people will benefit from your humble contributions.

My pleasure, RAV TUX. :)
It's always more enjoyable and more rewarding if one can share what have done or know with others, at least those things done/learn with the heart.
And i'm glad if people can more easily experiment, and if possible like, e17.
I just try to share my experience, to show that instead of get something precompiled blindly from the net (and that explain a little the myth of e17 being difficult), one can, with a little care, build a very stable environment and with an easy maintainable, good looks and lots of comfort in day-to-day use.

:D


On topic:
a Black theme for Firefox:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4780

RAV TUX
October 19th, 2007, 11:15 PM
...I just try to share my experience, to show that instead of get something precompiled blindly from the net (and that explain a little the myth of e17 being difficult), one can, with a little care, build a very stable environment and with an easy maintainable, good looks and lots of comfort in day-to-day use.

:D


I have found e17 the most stable DE on Linux I have ever experienced.




On topic:
a Black theme for Firefox:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4780

That is a good one I have found this "Black Theme" on Firefox to my liking:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4908

RAV TUX
October 20th, 2007, 04:23 AM
Here's a nice e17 animated background called "Just Debian" the debian logo is 3D and spins...very nice with Rui Pais' "Black Emerald" Theme.

"Just Debian" animated e17 background, "Black Emerald" Theme by Rui Pais in Xubuntu 7.10
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/albums/userpics/normal_snapshot23~1.png (http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-303)
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-303

Rui Pais
October 20th, 2007, 12:15 PM
I have found e17 the most stable DE on Linux I have ever experienced.
Completely agree.
I have a mixed e17/gnome (my wife and my kid use gnome cause they are used to Windows Desktop like environment) and, specially for Edgy, my pre-alpha cvs e17 was much more stable then default gnome :lol:
Usually the worst that i found in e was theme breakage, but even when that can be easily solved by making a personal theme based on default bling, thats always updated. :)




That is a good one I have found this "Black Theme" on Firefox to my liking:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4908

Yes, cool for full dark desktops, but clear pages (like ubuntu forum) became weird, unmatched, white...
A problem with deep specialized themes is that acting over random stuff they can look strange (like a desktop theme with slideshow module or a browser theme that will have to deal with endless sites, each with it's one design...)

corney91
October 20th, 2007, 06:14 PM
I have found e17 the most stable DE on Linux I have ever experienced.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4908

Really??? As much as I love it - everytime I try to change the volume it crashes!

Anyway, on-topic, the Meguiddo (http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=1998) theme for opera is amazing (RAV TUX, I came across it on one of your threads), I reckon it goes with any dark theme.

Rui Pais
October 20th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Really??? As much as I love it - everytime I try to change the volume it crashes!


Yes mixer module it's broken (at least with alsa versions of ubuntu) but that don't make e17 unstable. It's a loadable module, enlightenment work normally without it (i never miss it cause i have a keyboard with volume keys...)
Can't you use another volume manager from other DE you may have. gnome-volume-control or the equivalent of it for xfce4 or kde?

RAV TUX
October 20th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Really??? As much as I love it - everytime I try to change the volume it crashes!

Anyway, on-topic, the Meguiddo (http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=1998) theme for opera is amazing (RAV TUX, I came across it on one of your threads), I reckon it goes with any dark theme.

This hasn't happened to me but I use the ALSA Mixer/ALSA mixer GUI for volume control.

I agree about the dark Opera theme "Meguiddo" it is the best "Black" theme on Opera, I wish someone would port that over to Firefox.


Yes mixer module it's broken (at least with alsa versions of ubuntu) but that don't make e17 unstable. It's a loadable module, enlightenment work normally without it (i never miss it cause i have a keyboard with volume keys...)
Can't you use another volume manager from other DE you may have. gnome-volume-control or the equivalent of it for xfce4 or kde?

I have no problems with the ALSA Mixer/ALSA Mixer GUI

Also if people follow Rui Pais's guide on installing e17 CVS, they will have NO problems.

(just stay away from "First Run Wizard" in the modules)

corney91
October 20th, 2007, 10:03 PM
Yes mixer module it's broken (at least with alsa versions of ubuntu) but that don't make e17 unstable. It's a loadable module, enlightenment work normally without it (i never miss it cause i have a keyboard with volume keys...)
Can't you use another volume manager from other DE you may have. gnome-volume-control or the equivalent of it for xfce4 or kde?

I don't really have a problem with not being able to change the volume as most programs have their own volume slider. I just wouldn't agree to E17 being the most stable - it is, though, my default as I love customizing it.

BTW I did use the guide - thank you Rui Pais

RAV TUX
October 20th, 2007, 10:26 PM
I don't really have a problem with not being able to change the volume as most programs have their own volume slider. I just wouldn't agree to E17 being the most stable - it is, though, my default as I love customizing it.

BTW I did use the guide - thank you Rui Pais

It would be interesting to see what your "Hardinfo" is;

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=583298

corney91
October 20th, 2007, 10:58 PM
It would be interesting to see what your "Hardinfo" is;

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=583298

Which parts?...I don't really want to upload the whole thing.
I did use hardinfo in feisty but never understood a lot of the info, and I'm a bit hesitant about uploading what I don't understand.

Frak
October 20th, 2007, 11:15 PM
Which parts?...I don't really want to upload the whole thing.
I did use hardinfo in feisty but never understood a lot of the info, and I'm a bit hesitant about uploading what I don't understand.
Nothing to worry about, its just some benchmarks and information about your hardware.

corney91
October 20th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Nothing to worry about, its just some benchmarks and information about your hardware.

Ah, ok. I haven't read it all, but here it is...




Computer
********


Summary
-------

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400MHz
Memory : 1002MB (322MB used)
Operating System : Ubuntu 7.10
User Name : dan (Daniel Corne)
Date/Time : Sat 20 Oct 2007 23:30:30 BST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 852GM/855GM 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH-MODEM - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
-Input Devices-
Macintosh mouse button emulation
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
Power Button (FF)
Lid Switch
Power Button (CM)
Wireless Mouse Wireless Mouse
-Printers (CUPS)-
PDF
Stylus_DX4450 : <i>(Default)</i>
-IDE Disks-
-SCSI Disks-
ATA HITACHI_DK23FA-4
TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-R6252
Hitachi HTS541680J9AT00

Operating System
----------------

-Version-
Kernel : Linux 2.6.22-14-generic (i686)
Compiled : #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007
C Library : GNU C Library version 2.6.1 (stable)
Distribution : Ubuntu 7.10
-Current Session-
Computer Name : dan-laptop
User Name : dan (Daniel Corne)
Home Directory : /home/dan
Desktop Environment : GNOME 2.20 (session name: Default)
-Misc-
Uptime : 4 hours, 26 minutes
Load Average : 1.81, 1.76, 1.98

Kernel Modules
--------------

-Loaded Modules-
battery : ACPI Battery Driver
ac : ACPI AC Adapter Driver
thermal : ACPI Thermal Zone Driver
processor : ACPI Processor Driver
fan : ACPI Fan Driver
button : ACPI Button Driver
ipw2200 : Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver
ieee80211 : 802.11 data/management/control stack
8139too : RealTek RTL-8139 Fast Ethernet driver
ipv6 : IPv6 protocol stack for Linux
nls_iso8859_1
nls_cp437
vfat : VFAT filesystem support
fat
michael_mic : Michael MIC
arc4 : ARC4 Cipher Algorithm
ecb : ECB block cipher algorithm
blkcipher : Generic block chaining cipher type
ieee80211_crypt_tkip : Host AP crypt: TKIP
i915 : Intel Graphics
drm : DRM shared core routines
ppdev
snd_atiixp_modem : ATI IXP MC97 controller
snd_via82xx_modem : VIA VT82xx modem
snd_intel8x0m : Intel 82801AA,82901AB,i810,i820,i830,i840,i845,MX440; SiS 7013; NVidia MCP/2/2S/3 modems
cpufreq_conservative : &apos;cpufreq_conservative&apos; - A dynamic cpufreq governor for Low Latency Frequency Transition capable processors optimised for use in a battery environment
cpufreq_ondemand : &apos;cpufreq_ondemand&apos; - A dynamic cpufreq governor for Low Latency Frequency Transition capable processors
cpufreq_powersave : CPUfreq policy governor &apos;powersave&apos;
cpufreq_userspace : CPUfreq policy governor &apos;userspace&apos;
cpufreq_stats : &apos;cpufreq_stats&apos; - A driver to export cpufreq statsthrough sysfs filesystem
freq_table : CPUfreq frequency table helpers
parport_pc : PC-style parallel port driver
lp
parport
snd_intel8x0 : Intel 82801AA,82901AB,i810,i820,i830,i840,i845,MX440; SiS 7012; Ali 5455
snd_ac97_codec : Universal interface for Audio Codec &apos;97
ac97_bus
snd_pcm_oss : PCM OSS emulation for ALSA.
snd_mixer_oss : Mixer OSS emulation for ALSA.
snd_pcm : Midlevel PCM code for ALSA.
joydev : Joystick device interfaces
snd_seq_dummy : ALSA sequencer MIDI-through client
snd_seq_oss : OSS-compatible sequencer module
snd_seq_midi : Advanced Linux Sound Architecture sequencer MIDI synth.
snd_rawmidi : Midlevel RawMidi code for ALSA.
snd_seq_midi_event : MIDI byte &lt;-&gt; sequencer event coder
pcmcia : PCMCIA Driver Services
snd_seq : Advanced Linux Sound Architecture sequencer.
ieee80211_crypt : HostAP crypto
psmouse : PS/2 mouse driver
yenta_socket
rsrc_nonstatic
pcmcia_core : Linux Kernel Card Services
snd_timer : ALSA timer interface
snd_seq_device : ALSA sequencer device management
serio_raw : Raw serio driver
shpchp : Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver
snd : Advanced Linux Sound Architecture driver for soundcards.
soundcore : Core sound module
snd_page_alloc : Memory allocator for ALSA system.
iTCO_wdt : Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver
iTCO_vendor_support : Intel TCO Vendor Specific WatchDog Timer Driver Support
pci_hotplug : PCI Hot Plug PCI Core
af_packet
intel_agp
agpgart : AGP GART driver
evdev : Input driver event char devices
usbhid : USB HID core driver
hid
usb_storage : USB Mass Storage driver for Linux
ide_core
ext3 : Second Extended Filesystem with journaling extensions
jbd
mbcache : Meta block cache (for extended attributes)
sg : SCSI generic (sg) driver
libusual
sr_mod : SCSI cdrom (sr) driver
cdrom
sd_mod : SCSI disk (sd) driver
ata_piix : SCSI low-level driver for Intel PIIX/ICH ATA controllers
ata_generic : low-level driver for generic ATA
libata : Library module for ATA devices
scsi_mod : SCSI core
8139cp : RealTek RTL-8139C+ series 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver
mii : MII hardware support library
ehci_hcd : 10 Dec 2004 USB 2.0 &apos;Enhanced&apos; Host Controller (EHCI) Driver
uhci_hcd : USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver
usbcore
fuse : Filesystem in Userspace
apparmor : AppArmor process confinement
commoncap : Standard Linux Common Capabilities Security Module

Boots
-----

-Boots-
Sat Oct 20 17:25 - 23:30 (06:04) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sat Oct 20 12:25 - 12:36 (00:10) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sat Oct 20 11:15 - 12:01 (00:46) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Fri Oct 19 20:30 - 23:39 (03:08) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Thu Oct 18 07:48 - 23:39 (1+15:51) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Wed Oct 17 22:51 - 00:20 (01:29) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Wed Oct 17 07:56 - 00:20 (16:24) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Mon Oct 15 19:44 - 23:24 (1+03:39) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Mon Oct 15 16:18 - 23:24 (1+07:06) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Mon Oct 15 07:52 - 08:38 (00:46) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sun Oct 14 23:35 - 23:56 (00:20) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sun Oct 14 21:57 - 22:33 (00:36) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sun Oct 14 16:39 - 21:54 (05:14) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sun Oct 14 11:29 - 21:54 (10:24) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sat Oct 13 22:23 - 11:28 (13:04) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sat Oct 13 16:42 - 11:28 (18:45) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sat Oct 13 16:11 - 16:41 (00:30) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Sat Oct 13 08:45 - 16:10 (07:24) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Fri Oct 12 23:10 - 23:21 (00:11) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Wed Oct 10 16:57 - 23:09 (2+06:11) : Kernel 2.6.22-14-generi
Tue Oct 9 07:56 - 23:56 (16:00) : Kernel 2.6.22-13-generi
Mon Oct 8 21:58 - 22:15 (00:17) : Kernel 2.6.22-13-generi
Sat Oct 6 22:25 - 21:57 (1+23:31) : Kernel 2.6.22-13-generi
Sat Oct 6 12:24 - 21:57 (2+09:32) : Kernel 2.6.22-12-generi
Thu Oct 4 22:57 - 21:57 (3+22:59) : Kernel 2.6.22-12-generi
Wed Oct 3 20:48 - 21:57 (5+01:09) : Kernel 2.6.22-12-generi
Wed Oct 3 08:01 - 08:15 (00:13) : Kernel 2.6.22-12-generi
Tue Oct 2 22:29 - 22:37 (00:07) : Kernel 2.6.22-12-generi
Mon Oct 1 23:04 - 22:27 (23:23) : Kernel 2.6.22-12-generi

Languages
---------

-Available Languages-
en_AU.utf8 : English locale for Australia
en_BW.utf8 : English locale for Botswana
en_CA.utf8 : English locale for Canada
en_DK.utf8 : English locale for Denmark
en_GB.utf8 : English locale for Britain
en_HK.utf8 : English locale for Hong Kong
en_IE.utf8 : English locale for Ireland
en_IN : English language locale for India
en_NZ.utf8 : English locale for New Zealand
en_PH.utf8 : English language locale for Philippines
en_SG.utf8 : English language locale for Singapore
en_US.utf8 : English locale for the USA
en_ZA.utf8 : English locale for South Africa

Filesystems
-----------

-Mounted File Systems-
/dev/sda1 : 7.5 GiB total, 3.2 GiB free
proc : 0.0 B total, 0.0 B free
/sys : 0.0 B total, 0.0 B free
varrun : 489.3 MiB total, 489.2 MiB free
varlock : 489.3 MiB total, 489.3 MiB free
udev : 489.3 MiB total, 489.2 MiB free
devshm : 489.3 MiB total, 489.3 MiB free
devpts : 0.0 B total, 0.0 B free
lrm : 489.3 MiB total, 455.4 MiB free
/dev/sda2 : 28.9 GiB total, 3.2 GiB free
securityfs : 0.0 B total, 0.0 B free

Shared Directories
------------------

-SAMBA-
-NFS-

Display
-------

-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.3.0
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1024x768 pixels
-Extensions-
BIG-REQUESTS
Composite
DAMAGE
DOUBLE-BUFFER
DPMS
Extended-Visual-Information
GLX
MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
MIT-SHM
MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
RANDR
RECORD
RENDER
SECURITY
SGI-GLX
SHAPE
SYNC
TOG-CUP
X-Resource
XAccessControlExtension
XC-APPGROUP
XC-MISC
XFIXES
XFree86-Bigfont
XFree86-DGA
XFree86-DRI
XFree86-Misc
XFree86-VidModeExtension
XINERAMA
XInputExtension
XKEYBOARD
XTEST
XVideo
-OpenGL-
Vendor : Tungsten Graphics, Inc
Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 852GM/855GM 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2
Version : 1.3 Mesa 7.0.1
Direct Rendering : Yes

Network Interfaces
------------------

-Network Interfaces-
lo : Sent 0.00MiB, received 0.00MiB (127.0.0.1)
eth0 : Sent 0.00MiB, received 0.00MiB
eth1 : Sent 132.98MiB, received 272.53MiB (192.168.1.102)

Users
-----

-Human Users-
dan : Daniel Corne
foldingathome
-System Users-
root : root
daemon : daemon
bin : bin
sys : sys
sync : sync
games : games
man : man
lp : lp
mail : mail
news : news
uucp : uucp
proxy : proxy
www-data : www-data
backup : backup
list : Mailing List Manager
irc : ircd
gnats : Gnats Bug-Reporting System (admin)
nobody : nobody
dhcp
syslog
klog
messagebus
hplip : HPLIP system user
avahi-autoipd : Avahi autoip daemon
avahi : Avahi mDNS daemon
haldaemon : Hardware abstraction layer
gdm : Gnome Display Manager
Slmodemd : Smart Link Modem Server

Devices
*******


Processor
---------

-Processor-
Name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400MHz
Family, model, stepping : 6, 9, 5 (Pentium M)
Vendor : Intel Corp.
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 512kb
Frequency : 1398.87MHz
BogoMIPS : 2799.62
Byte Order : Little Endian
-Features-
FDIV Bug : no
HLT Bug : no
F00F Bug : no
Coma Bug : no
Has FPU : yes
-Capabilities-
fpu : Floating Point Unit
vme : Virtual 86 Mode Extension
de : Debug Extensions - I/O breakpoints
pse : Page Size Extensions (4MB pages)
tsc : Time Stamp Counter and RDTSC instruction
msr : Model Specific Registers
mce : Machine Check Architeture
cx8 : CMPXCHG8 instruction
sep : Fast System Call (SYSENTER/SYSEXIT)
mtrr : Memory Type Range Registers
pge : Page Global Enable
mca : Machine Check Architecture
cmov : Conditional Move instruction
pat : Page Attribute Table
clflush : Cache Line Flush instruction
dts : Debug Store
acpi : Thermal Monitor and Software Controlled Clock
mmx : MMX technology
fxsr : FXSAVE and FXRSTOR instructions
sse : SSE instructions
sse2 : SSE2 (WNI) instructions
tm : Thermal Monitor
pbe : Pending Break Enable
up

Memory
------

-Memory-
Total Memory : 1002032 kB
Free Memory : 15928 kB
Buffers : 14496 kB
Cached : 661920 kB
Cached Swap : 24 kB
Active : 354252 kB
Inactive : 566772 kB
High Memory : 97152 kB
Free High Memory : 220 kB
Low Memory : 904880 kB
Free Low Memory : 15708 kB
Virtual Memory : 248996 kB
Free Virtual Memory : 213864 kB
Dirty : 3596 kB
Writeback : 0 kB
AnonPages : 244588 kB
Mapped : 69744 kB
Slab : 19556 kB
SReclaimable : 10424 kB
SUnreclaim : 9132 kB
PageTables : 2060 kB
NFS_Unstable : 0 kB
Bounce : 0 kB
CommitLimit : 750012 kB
Committed_AS : 678860 kB
VmallocTotal : 114680 kB
VmallocUsed : 5332 kB
VmallocChunk : 108900 kB

PCI Devices
-----------

-PCI Devices-
Host bridge : Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller
System peripheral : Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller
System peripheral : Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller
VGA compatible controller : Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
Display controller : Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
USB Controller : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM
PCI bridge : Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge
ISA bridge : Intel Corporation 82801DBM
IDE interface : Intel Corporation 82801DBM
SMBus : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
Multimedia audio controller : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
Modem : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
Ethernet controller : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
CardBus bridge : Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller
Network controller : Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection

USB Devices
-----------


Printers
--------

-Printers (CUPS)-
PDF
Stylus_DX4450 : <i>(Default)</i>

Battery
-------

-Battery: BAT0-
State : discharging (load: 0 mA)
Capacity : 4064 mAh / 6000 mAh (67.73%)
Battery Technology : rechargeable (LION)
Model Number : JM-6
Serial Number : 4022513458

Sensors
-------

-ACPI Thermal Zone-
THRM : 64C

Input Devices
-------------

-Input Devices-
Macintosh mouse button emulation
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
Power Button (FF)
Lid Switch
Power Button (CM)
Wireless Mouse Wireless Mouse

Storage
-------

-IDE Disks-
-SCSI Disks-
ATA HITACHI_DK23FA-4
TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-R6252
Hitachi HTS541680J9AT00

Benchmarks
**********


CPU ZLib
--------

-CPU ZLib-
<i>This Machine</i> : 6874.401
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) : 2150.597408
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz : 8761.604561

CPU Fibonacci
-------------

-CPU Fibonacci-
<i>This Machine</i> : 9.126
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz : 8.1375674
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) : 58.07682

CPU MD5
-------

-CPU MD5-
<i>This Machine</i> : 33.878
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) : 7.115258
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz : 38.6607998

CPU SHA1
--------

-CPU SHA1-
<i>This Machine</i> : 44.917
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) : 6.761451
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz : 49.6752776

CPU Blowfish
------------

-CPU Blowfish-
<i>This Machine</i> : 34.236
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz : 26.1876862
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) : 172.816713

FPU Raytracing
--------------

-FPU Raytracing-
<i>This Machine</i> : 40.383
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz : 40.8816714
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) : 161.312647

Rui Pais
October 21st, 2007, 09:58 AM
I don't really have a problem with not being able to change the volume as most programs have their own volume slider. I just wouldn't agree to E17 being the most stable - it is, though, my default as I love customizing it.

BTW I did use the guide - thank you Rui Pais

We seems to have different definitions for stable :)
For me something not stable, on a DE, is something related to it's core, that work dangerously and inconsistently. Mysterious crashes and bad behavior, etc... in the case of mixer it always fail under recent versions of alsa, i would classified just as a bug. That of course it's bad (and that can last for long it's even worst).

Anyway thanks for call my attention to it (as i said i wont use it much...)
I will post a warning about on the how-to and keep an eye on it to see if it gets updated.
Meanwhile RAV TUX gives an excellent suggestion for users who have a bigger need for that functionality, alsamixer from terminal and alsamixergui (in repos) don't require any extra DE application.

Thanks.

corney91
October 21st, 2007, 02:45 PM
We seems to have different definitions for stable :)
For me something not stable, on a DE, is something related to it's core, that work dangerously and inconsistently. Mysterious crashes and bad behavior, etc... in the case of mixer it always fail under recent versions of alsa, i would classified just as a bug. That of course it's bad (and that can last for long it's even worst).

Anyway thanks for call my attention to it (as i said i wont use it much...)
I will post a warning about on the how-to and keep an eye on it to see if it gets updated.
Meanwhile RAV TUX gives an excellent suggestion for users who have a bigger need for that functionality, alsamixer from terminal and alsamixergui (in repos) don't require any extra DE application.

Thanks.

Yeah, I guess your definition seems to make more sense, and it's only a minor annoyance. I'll give alsamixer a go.

On a sidenote, is Get-E (http://www.get-e.org) not accessible or is it just me?

Rui Pais
October 21st, 2007, 06:13 PM
Yeah, I guess your definition seems to make more sense, and it's only a minor annoyance. I'll give alsamixer a go.
For me, thats the really downside of e17, sometimes something buggy stays untouched for months, when not completely abandonned by they authors/maintainers :(
Let's just hope that it won't happen with mixer, like it happened with evolume (among others)...


On a sidenote, is Get-E (http://www.get-e.org) not accessible or is it just me?
sometimes get-e side is down or hard to get, try:
http://www1.get-e.org
...
http://www4.get-e.org
(this last link it's the only one working for me now)

RAV TUX
October 21st, 2007, 06:25 PM
Here is my current e17 desktop Sunday October 21st 2007:

"Black Theme G" (with Gentoo logo) "Just Debian" 3D animated Background on e17 Xubuntu 7.10
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/albums/userpics/normal_snapshot29%7E1.png (http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-311)
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-311

adamorjames
October 21st, 2007, 08:33 PM
Here is my current e17 desktop Sunday October 21st 2007:

"Black Theme G" (with Gentoo logo) "Just Debian" 3D animated Background on e17 Xubuntu 7.10
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/albums/userpics/normal_snapshot29%7E1.png (http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-311)

Show a screenshot! :mad:

:lolflag:

RAV TUX
October 21st, 2007, 08:37 PM
Show a screenshot! :mad:

:lolflag:http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-311

adamorjames
October 21st, 2007, 08:38 PM
http://cafelinux.org/OptickleArt/displayimage.php?pos=-311

"Firefox can't find the server at cafelinux.org." :lol:

RAV TUX
October 21st, 2007, 08:42 PM
"Firefox can't find the server at cafelinux.org." :lol:Strange I connect to it instantly.

Perhaps it's time to find a new host?


here you go:

adamorjames
October 21st, 2007, 08:48 PM
Strange I connect to it instantly.

Perhaps it's time to find a new host?


here you go:

The link works now. :confused:
EDIT: Page went down again
EDIT: I tried the main site when the page went down again -
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2879/screenshotproblemloadinyq9.th.png (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotproblemloadinyq9.png)

Frak
October 22nd, 2007, 02:06 AM
Strange I connect to it instantly.

Perhaps it's time to find a new host?


here you go:
What is your host? (so I can avoid it ;))