Internet Cafe na Ubuntu OS lahat ng PC?

[nick.tux]

mga ts0ng meron ba kayong nakita o napagrent-an na internet cafe/shop na ubuntu/linux OS ng mga PC? kung meron saan? saka please post niyo mga details ng cafe ex. how they run that cafe. et.al.

salamat ;)

[warshak]

di kaya risk para sa isang iCafe na mag Linux OS? dont get me wrong pero mabuti na rin na mapagusapan natin in case na may magtayo ng iCafe dito satin...

[nick.tux]

di kaya risk para sa isang iCafe na mag Linux OS? dont get me wrong pero mabuti na rin na mapagusapan natin in case na may magtayo ng iCafe dito satin...


ano2 mgging risk pag sakaling magtayo ng cafe with Linux OS? salamat sa reply sir.

[loell]

risk? ewan ko kung classified as risk ang less costumers due to the OS,

but for sure there major quirks..

like win apps thats usually found in a win cafe box.

[warshak]

i guess kong internet browsing lang ang service offered ok na... pero kung gaming mahirap, medyo limited pa ang available games para sa linux...

medyo lubog pa ang Pilipinas sa MS XP at kung iisipin nagsisimula palang dumami ang mga tao na merong alam sa linux o malakas ang loob na gumamit ng OS na hindi sila sanay...

[pinoyskull]

we tried it before, meron kaming ubuntu desktop for rent mga 10 ata yun, running for a month, kaso revert back to windows kami, kasi most of the clients takot mag try ng linux kahit i assist mo sila

[nick.tux]

we tried it before, meron kaming ubuntu desktop for rent mga 10 ata yun, running for a month, kaso revert back to windows kami, kasi most of the clients takot mag try ng linux kahit i assist mo sila


good to hear na may nagtry.. during that month meron/ilan ba mga naging client & natuwa sa environment ng Linux? did they have a hard time kahit may naga-assist?

[pinoyskull]

good to hear na may nagtry.. during that month meron/ilan ba mga naging client & natuwa sa environment ng Linux? did they have a hard time kahit may naga-assist?
sa isng araw wala pang sampo ang nagrerent ng linux, mix sila, merong marunong mag linux meron namang gustong subukan

[ragadanga63]

I tried running Ubuntu on my cafe. The problem is most customers are too afraid to try something new. Fortunately, I don't allow gaming because i've seen how distracting(or destructive) it is for the kids. Still, pagbukas ng PC at nakita nila ay unfamiliar na desktop...aalis na kaagad...daming xp sa kabilang cafe.

Isa sa pinakaproblema sa Ubuntu ay yong Yahoo Messenger. Alam nating lahat kung gaano ka importante ang YM sa mga kababayan natin. So pagbukas sa gyachi...mapanganga na sila...sabay tanong kung ano yon...then tayo, sabay sabi...sa kabila na lang ako at least may YM doon.

Pero para ma-introduce ang Linux, kada biyernes ay Linux day. Bagsak presyo sa rental - 10 per hour. Dagsa ang mga friendster addicts...

Gusto nila ang Linux. Gamit ko ay Linux Puppy and Ubuntu. Mabilis daw at madaling magbukas ng mga webpages lalo na ang Puppy...kaya gustong gusto sa mga nagbobrowse.

Kung sa cafe mo lang kayo nabubuhay, medyo maliit ang kita pag Linux ang gamit mo. Seguro handa na ang Linux para sa desktop, ang problema ay hindi pa handa ang ating mga kababayan sa Linux. Kaya malaking hamon sa atin ito.

[x.3r0]

i guess kong internet browsing lang ang service offered ok na... pero kung gaming mahirap, medyo limited pa ang available games para sa linux...

medyo lubog pa ang Pilipinas sa MS XP at kung iisipin nagsisimula palang dumami ang mga tao na merong alam sa linux o malakas ang loob na gumamit ng OS na hindi sila sanay...



you consider this a threat? and using Winbloze isn't? crazy guy... i'll save my internet cafe - i mean internet cafe from too much maintenance by using linux... not to mention the f***ing hours removing some pesky malwares and viruses...

[x.3r0]

we tried it before, meron kaming ubuntu desktop for rent mga 10 ata yun, running for a month, kaso revert back to windows kami, kasi most of the clients takot mag try ng linux kahit i assist mo sila



i think assisting clients won't make them comfortable using a very good operating system... maybe ads like secure and safe browsing on your cafe will add to your cafe's appeal...

but using open source softwares on your computers is the next best thing... the big players games developing are still not yet ready to port their games...

[x.3r0]

I tried running Ubuntu on my cafe. The problem is most customers are too afraid to try something new. Fortunately, I don't allow gaming because i've seen how distracting(or destructive) it is for the kids. Still, pagbukas ng PC at nakita nila ay unfamiliar na desktop...aalis na kaagad...daming xp sa kabilang cafe.

Isa sa pinakaproblema sa Ubuntu ay yong Yahoo Messenger. Alam nating lahat kung gaano ka importante ang YM sa mga kababayan natin. So pagbukas sa gyachi...mapanganga na sila...sabay tanong kung ano yon...then tayo, sabay sabi...sa kabila na lang ako at least may YM doon.

Pero para ma-introduce ang Linux, kada biyernes ay Linux day. Bagsak presyo sa rental - 10 per hour. Dagsa ang mga friendster addicts...

Gusto nila ang Linux. Gamit ko ay Linux Puppy and Ubuntu. Mabilis daw at madaling magbukas ng mga webpages lalo na ang Puppy...kaya gustong gusto sa mga nagbobrowse.

Kung sa cafe mo lang kayo nabubuhay, medyo maliit ang kita pag Linux ang gamit mo. Seguro handa na ang Linux para sa desktop, ang problema ay hindi pa handa ang ating mga kababayan sa Linux. Kaya malaking hamon sa atin ito.



very good... praise you... you know how to promote...

[warshak]

you consider this a threat? and using Winbloze isn't? crazy guy... i'll save my internet cafe - i mean internet cafe from too much maintenance by using linux... not to mention the f***ing hours removing some pesky malwares and viruses...

Sir X kung walang papasok sa cafe mo dahil linux ang OS pano mo babayaran ang kuryente and internet connection? after 3mos fold na ang negosyo mo? hindi lang po sa computer merong threat kahit sa buhay may threat kagaya ng "death threat" sa negosyo ang walang pumapasok na kita/kliyente ay kinoconsider ng negosyante as "threat" :)

[kopinux]

kakampi natin yang mga internet cafe owners, kaso talagang business is business, kailangan sundin ang gusto ng customers. kaya ang target natin diyan para ma introduce yung linux sa tao ay sa school, government at home users.

talagang yung mga internet shop na yan ang number 1 na naghahanap ng alternative, maski reactOS gusto na kagatin e.

kung pwede nga ubuntu na customized para paandarin ang mga madalas na ginagamit sa internet cafe, tulad ng yahoo, online games etc.

kaso gaya ng nakikita natin, may brain drain ata, walang ganoon ka high level talented/educated sa linux progi dito sa pilipinas, kung meron man umalis na sa ibang bansa. kasi lahat tayo nag-graduate gamit windows hindi ba. kaya isang target talaga ang mga schools/college na mag breed ng linux programmers graduates.

e sa nakikita ko ang dami gumagraduate ng com sci pero hindi naman nagiging com sci kundi call center agents. e paano, tuturuan ka mag program gamit ang closed source, e paano ka matututo nun?

[nick.tux]

I tried running Ubuntu on my cafe. The problem is most customers are too afraid to try something new. Fortunately, I don't allow gaming because i've seen how distracting(or destructive) it is for the kids. Still, pagbukas ng PC at nakita nila ay unfamiliar na desktop...aalis na kaagad...daming xp sa kabilang cafe.

Isa sa pinakaproblema sa Ubuntu ay yong Yahoo Messenger. Alam nating lahat kung gaano ka importante ang YM sa mga kababayan natin. So pagbukas sa gyachi...mapanganga na sila...sabay tanong kung ano yon...then tayo, sabay sabi...sa kabila na lang ako at least may YM doon.

Pero para ma-introduce ang Linux, kada biyernes ay Linux day. Bagsak presyo sa rental - 10 per hour. Dagsa ang mga friendster addicts...

Gusto nila ang Linux. Gamit ko ay Linux Puppy and Ubuntu. Mabilis daw at madaling magbukas ng mga webpages lalo na ang Puppy...kaya gustong gusto sa mga nagbobrowse.

Kung sa cafe mo lang kayo nabubuhay, medyo maliit ang kita pag Linux ang gamit mo. Seguro handa na ang Linux para sa desktop, ang problema ay hindi pa handa ang ating mga kababayan sa Linux. Kaya malaking hamon sa atin ito.


ayos to.
galing ah.. every friday eh Linux day.. pano mo gnagawa un sir, reformat every fri || thurs nyt? o gamit mo vmware or sumthing?..

[loell]

ayos to.
galing ah.. every friday eh Linux day.. pano mo gnagawa un sir, reformat every fri || thurs nyt? o gamit mo vmware or sumthing?..

malamang dual boot yun.

[ragadanga63]

For Ubuntu, dual boot.

For Linux Puppy, run from LiveCd. For browsing, Puppy is really fast, kahit naka-livecd ka lang, kahit di pa nakacache ang webpage. Walang masabi ang XP, and sorry to say kahit pa ang Ubuntu.

[loell]

For Linux Puppy, run from LiveCd. For browsing, Puppy is really fast, kahit naka-livecd ka lang, kahit di pa nakacache ang webpage. Walang masabi ang XP, and sorry to say kahit pa ang Ubuntu.

that's all right ;), i mean thats expected with puppy since it only uses a window manager, unlike ubuntu which uses a desktop environment, which is heavy lalo na pag naka-live-cd mode.

[jovannicabanag]

kung wala lang sanang online gaming.
dapat linux lahat ng os ngayon sa pinas.

[daxumaming]

Nagplano rin akong magtayo ng shop na puro linux. Since bahay namin malapit sa high school, gusto kong gawing shop ang 1st floor namin. Anyway, my plan is to have at least 10 PCs running Ubuntu with everything... games, Skype, YM (there's a Yahoo client for Linux based on v8.x), you know... the works.

Here's my marketing plan:
- 2 hours free for students (1 hour at a time, probably 1hr in the morning, and 2nd hr in the afternoon or evening)
- Membership card with the Linux logo on it. I also plan on using a "Café powered by Ubuntu". This membership card would make it easier for me to track down the free 2 hours
- OpenArena (Craft, FreeCiv, etc.) competitions on weekends. This may be where the bulk of my revenue comes from.
- Since I'll be hosting this kinds of event/competition, I may be able to get hundreds of Shipit CDs which I can use to market both Ubuntu and my café.
- P10 per hour for both browsing and gaming
- Mini-ITX systems which consumes less than 20 watts. This will help lower down my electric bills.
- Now DSL may be a bit tricky, I'll need a business account for this, unless I can get away with a Residential account. But I guess a 1Mbps downstream's enough.
- Sideline would consists of burned Fedora, Mandriva, Debian, Xandros, etc.. DVDs/CDs. I might even sell printed manuals or howtos.

But this would remain a plan. But if I do (V)C++/PHP development full time, I might push through with this.

[x.3r0]

Sir X kung walang papasok sa cafe mo dahil linux ang OS pano mo babayaran ang kuryente and internet connection? after 3mos fold na ang negosyo mo? hindi lang po sa computer merong threat kahit sa buhay may threat kagaya ng "death threat" sa negosyo ang walang pumapasok na kita/kliyente ay kinoconsider ng negosyante as "threat" :)

you're no different from Bill Gates, if you're after profitability immediately. pity - i get what you mean... i suggest you read Linus Torvald and David Diamond's book Just For Fun (http://www.amazon.com/Just-Fun-Story-Accidental-Revolutionary/dp/0066620732/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0537666-0311223?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192111096&sr=8-1), there's a very good part there where Linus discussed how open source fits in the business world. i guarantee you, you'll get inspired and you will never post the way you posted that thread.. we Filipinos have a long way to go in accepting open source but it is not impossible...

it's like driving a car... don't you want to drive a Ferrari and leave your pimped out Honda?

i hope i'm not making a bad impression here. i'm here for the Software, the way i believe in its Philosophy...

[x.3r0]

OpenCafe (http://www.opencafe.co.za/) - although it's non-profit, i hope you'll get inspired by this... i do...

[x.3r0]

Nagplano rin akong magtayo ng shop na puro linux. Since bahay namin malapit sa high school, gusto kong gawing shop ang 1st floor namin. Anyway, my plan is to have at least 10 PCs running Ubuntu with everything... games, Skype, YM (there's a Yahoo client for Linux based on v8.x), you know... the works.

Here's my marketing plan:
- 2 hours free for students (1 hour at a time, probably 1hr in the morning, and 2nd hr in the afternoon or evening)
- Membership card with the Linux logo on it. I also plan on using a "Café powered by Ubuntu". This membership card would make it easier for me to track down the free 2 hours
- OpenArena (Craft, FreeCiv, etc.) competitions on weekends. This may be where the bulk of my revenue comes from.
- Since I'll be hosting this kinds of event/competition, I may be able to get hundreds of Shipit CDs which I can use to market both Ubuntu and my café.
- P10 per hour for both browsing and gaming
- Mini-ITX systems which consumes less than 20 watts. This will help lower down my electric bills.
- Now DSL may be a bit tricky, I'll need a business account for this, unless I can get away with a Residential account. But I guess a 1Mbps downstream's enough.
- Sideline would consists of burned Fedora, Mandriva, Debian, Xandros, etc.. DVDs/CDs. I might even sell printed manuals or howtos.

But this would remain a plan. But if I do (V)C++/PHP development full time, I might push through with this.



a very good plan... because you are a programmer you can also offer software development, specially to those lazy students in computer schools and with some business establishment... you can also offer services to open source like tutorials, installation, etc... good luck and i hope you do full time with software development...

[Jucato]

you're no different from Bill Gates, if you're after profitability immediately. pity - i get what you mean... i suggest you read Linus Torvald book Just For Fun, there's a very good part there where Linus discussed how open source fits in the business world. i guarantee you, you'll get inspired and you will never post the way you posted that thread.. we Filipinos have a long way to go in accepting open source but it is not impossible...

it's driving a car... don't want to drive that Ferrari and leave your pimped out Honda?

i hope i'm not making a bad impression here. i'm here for the Software, the way i believe in its Philosophy...

I don't think that applies to this situation. Running an internet cafe and creating software are two different things. The first one is really for profit (unless you're doing pro bono). The other one can be for any reason other than profit. It's not really the same situation.

Mas mahal ang puhunan mo para sa isang internet shop kaysa sa software development. At sa internet shop, you need money to keep the shop alive, unless you're like Mark Shuttleworth.

[kopinux]

software development, check mo ito sa isang community ng mga local internet cafe owners:


was thinking of a free operating system na tailored for internet cafe use talaga..walang additional ekek..embedded na yung Ulop Internet Cafe System chaka yung Ulop Messenger dun sa OS..

ang ganda sana nito no?

Ulop 98,tapos Ulop XP,then Ulop Vista,hehe..

para di na tayo namomroblema sa raids at kung ano ano pa..

buhay pa kaya ako pag nagkatotoo to if ever?hahaha..
http://www.ulop.net/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,108/func,view/id,62956/catid,4/

hingi ka nalang ng donasyon.

okay din yung ubuntu cafe mo, lalo na sa bahay lang hindi masyadong sugal. sayang taga baguio ka pala, pwede sana natin gawing H.Q. yan hehe.

[nick.tux]

Nagplano rin akong magtayo ng shop na puro linux. Since bahay namin malapit sa high school, gusto kong gawing shop ang 1st floor namin. Anyway, my plan is to have at least 10 PCs running Ubuntu with everything... games, Skype, YM (there's a Yahoo client for Linux based on v8.x), you know... the works.

Here's my marketing plan:
- 2 hours free for students (1 hour at a time, probably 1hr in the morning, and 2nd hr in the afternoon or evening)
- Membership card with the Linux logo on it. I also plan on using a "Café powered by Ubuntu". This membership card would make it easier for me to track down the free 2 hours
- OpenArena (Craft, FreeCiv, etc.) competitions on weekends. This may be where the bulk of my revenue comes from.
- Since I'll be hosting this kinds of event/competition, I may be able to get hundreds of Shipit CDs which I can use to market both Ubuntu and my café.
- P10 per hour for both browsing and gaming
- Mini-ITX systems which consumes less than 20 watts. This will help lower down my electric bills.
- Now DSL may be a bit tricky, I'll need a business account for this, unless I can get away with a Residential account. But I guess a 1Mbps downstream's enough.
- Sideline would consists of burned Fedora, Mandriva, Debian, Xandros, etc.. DVDs/CDs. I might even sell printed manuals or howtos.

But this would remain a plan. But if I do (V)C++/PHP development full time, I might push through with this.

pag natuloy na plan mo sir balitaan mo kame how it was

[nick.tux]

you're no different from Bill Gates, if you're after profitability immediately. pity - i get what you mean... i suggest you read Linus Torvald and David Diamond's book Just For Fun (http://www.amazon.com/Just-Fun-Story-Accidental-Revolutionary/dp/0066620732/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0537666-0311223?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192111096&sr=8-1), there's a very good part there where Linus discussed how open source fits in the business world. i guarantee you, you'll get inspired and you will never post the way you posted that thread.. we Filipinos have a long way to go in accepting open source but it is not impossible...

it's like driving a car... don't you want to drive a Ferrari and leave your pimped out Honda?

i hope i'm not making a bad impression here. i'm here for the Software, the way i believe in its Philosophy...


hmmn.. dat's nice. thanks sir. mabasa nga yun book na yan..

[nick.tux]

software development, check mo ito sa isang community ng mga local internet cafe owners:



hingi ka nalang ng donasyon.

okay din yung ubuntu cafe mo, lalo na sa bahay lang hindi masyadong sugal. sayang taga baguio ka pala, pwede sana natin gawing H.Q. yan hehe.


ayos yan.
maybe he can move here in manila then gawin ang plano. gawing H.Q. nye he he he he

peace out

[ragadanga63]

Daxumaning:

Meron na bang nagbenta ng mini-itx pc's sa atin? Or tayo na lang kaya ang mag assemble? Hehe...

[azids]

Dapat talaga maunti unti masanay mga pinoy to use linux... eversince i've learned to use linux di na ako bumalik nang windows... Naencounter ko yong mga internet cafe na linux ang gamit sa Bohol. And tingin ko dun sa community nila medyo nasasanay na mga tao using linux.

[daxumaming]

Meron na bang nagbenta ng mini-itx pc's sa atin? Or tayo na lang kaya ang mag assemble? Hehe...

Had to order it from http://mini-itx.com/
It's very pricey, mind you, but it's worth it if you're looking for a long term solution. Imagine a fanless mini-itx.... no dusts and moisture seeping into your precious hardware and you only pay PhP300/mo. for electricity even if you leave it on 24/7.

[loell]

Had to order it from http://mini-itx.com/
It's very pricey, mind you, but it's worth it if you're looking for a long term solution. Imagine a fanless mini-itx.... no dusts and moisture seeping into your precious hardware and you only pay PhP300/mo. for electricity even if you leave it on 24/7.

this is very interesting, but if you plan to buy, what might be your specs?

can this run a full blown gnome desktop? or is this more of a thin client setup?

[warshak]

I don't think that applies to this situation. Running an internet cafe and creating software are two different things. The first one is really for profit (unless you're doing pro bono). The other one can be for any reason other than profit. It's not really the same situation.

Mas mahal ang puhunan mo para sa isang internet shop kaysa sa software development. At sa internet shop, you need money to keep the shop alive, unless you're like Mark Shuttleworth.

natumbok niyo po sir! :) but yung idea na merong linux day is a good compromise and maybe/hopefully later ay maintransition na ang lahat ng tao sa linux...namagreresulta sa mga internet cafe na purong linux ang OS...

Anyway ano kaya magandang paraan para ma-encourage natin ang pagshift ng mga internet cafe's to ubuntu or free OS...

[daxumaming]

this is very interesting, but if you plan to buy, what might be your specs?

can this run a full blown gnome desktop? or is this more of a thin client setup?

2GHz/512MB/40GB and an onboard video's enough. However, before it could go fanless, it's casing has to be a thick heatsink. And GNOME runs on 800MHz/256MB systems, so my planned system is more than adequate.

[kopinux]

Anyway ano kaya magandang paraan para ma-encourage natin ang pagshift ng mga internet cafe's to ubuntu or free OS...

mukang kailangan unahin natin yung schools nila, tapos yung government.

sa totoo lang hindi naman nila kinakalikot yung OS nila, basta i ki-click lang nila sa icon, yahoo, IE, GG client, MU ragnarok icon etc. yun na yon.

kaya kung mapapaandar mo lahat ng ginagamit nila sa linux walang problema. lagay mo lang yung icon sa desktop. tapos gamit ka ng linuxXP http://www.linux-xp.com/gallery/ kung ayaw nila interface.

pero kailangan ma tweak yung wine para mapaandar yung mga yon, kaya kailangan may alam din sa programming.

[warshak]

pasensya na po sa medyo stupid na tanong pero, ano po yung wine?

[nick.tux]

pasensya na po sa medyo stupid na tanong pero, ano po yung wine?


reading this will help you a lot.
http://spidertools.com/wine_setup.php

[loell]

pasensya na po sa medyo stupid na tanong pero, ano po yung wine?

ang wine (http://www.winehq.org/) ay malimit kung tawagin ay windows emulator pwede mong e-run ang mga iilan na windows programs sa pamamagitan nang wine.

halimbawa ay

microsoft office , older version nang photoshop, atbp..

may manga windows games din katulad nang warcraft , world of warcraft , counter strike, atbp..

para mag install nang wine sa ubuntu , gawin ito command line


sudo apt-get install wine




bwahahah, na-unahan ako ni nick.tux :D

[kabotage]

Anyway ano kaya magandang paraan para ma-encourage natin ang pagshift ng mga internet cafe's to ubuntu or free OS...

pwede sigurong hatiin, parang yung ginagawa ng mga shops, yung tulad sa netopia na may kwarto para sa mga manlalaro at yung mga gumagamit ng internet para magbrowse at ibapa.. hindi kaya pwede sila magdagdag ng ubuntu room.. ayos na siguro yung mga sampung kompyuter at para maenganyo yung mga tao gumamit ng ubuntu may babaeng sumasayaw at libreng beer.. hehehe :lolflag:

[kopinux]

lalo na pag pinatakbo mo yung internet explorer sa wine, magiging geniune daw.

at pag sa openGL ginawa ang game, masmabilis sa linux kesa sa windows, nasubukan ko ito noong pinapatakbo ko pa yung call of duty last year. sabi din ng iba.

[nick.tux]

ang wine (http://www.winehq.org/) ay malimit kung tawagin ay windows emulator pwede mong e-run ang mga iilan na windows programs sa pamamagitan nang wine.

halimbawa ay

microsoft office , older version nang photoshop, atbp..

may manga windows games din katulad nang warcraft , world of warcraft , counter strike, atbp..

para mag install nang wine sa ubuntu , gawin ito command line


sudo apt-get install wine


bwahahah, na-unahan ako ni nick.tux :D


nye he he he... cguro mga segundo lang un..

[warshak]

Kung me pera lang tayo, donate tayo sa mga schools ng PC with the caveat the ubuntu or any linux based distro ang OS na gamitin...

[tech0007]

The caveat definitely does not signify freedom.

[perbiu]

Wala pa tayo sa level na iyan, hindi pa hinog ang mga members natin, pag tayo ay professional o businessman na pwedeng pwede.

[x.3r0]

kakampi natin yang mga internet cafe owners, kaso talagang business is business, kailangan sundin ang gusto ng customers. kaya ang target natin diyan para ma introduce yung linux sa tao ay sa school, government at home users.

talagang yung mga internet shop na yan ang number 1 na naghahanap ng alternative, maski reactOS gusto na kagatin e.

kung pwede nga ubuntu na customized para paandarin ang mga madalas na ginagamit sa internet cafe, tulad ng yahoo, online games etc.

kaso gaya ng nakikita natin, may brain drain ata, walang ganoon ka high level talented/educated sa linux progi dito sa pilipinas, kung meron man umalis na sa ibang bansa. kasi lahat tayo nag-graduate gamit windows hindi ba. kaya isang target talaga ang mga schools/college na mag breed ng linux programmers graduates.

e sa nakikita ko ang dami gumagraduate ng com sci pero hindi naman nagiging com sci kundi call center agents. e paano, tuturuan ka mag program gamit ang closed source, e paano ka matututo nun?



nobody is antagonizing cafe owners... we even want to help them...:KS

ubuntu can be customized and it doesn't even need uberprogrammers to do it...

and please don't generalize:(, i graduated using 4 diferent OS and we were not thought to program closed source programs or use some to do it:(. unless you're talking about VISUAL BASIC:mad:. comsci graduates aren't the only ones who are jumping on the call center bandwagon. even other graduates are into this. they are, in my opinion, only more qualified than most because of their educational background:)...

[kopinux]

and please don't generalize:(, i graduated using 4 diferent OS and we were not thought to program closed source programs or use some to do it:(. unless you're talking about VISUAL BASIC:mad:. comsci graduates aren't the only ones who are jumping on the call center bandwagon. even other graduates are into this. they are, in my opinion, only more qualified than most because of their educational background:)...

wag mong seryosohin yung sinabi ko, hindi ko lang nagustuhan yung systema ng edukasyon sa atin, tama ka! visual basic, hindi ba karamihan ng college yung ang final subject at thesis.

[x.3r0]

I don't think that applies to this situation. Running an internet cafe and creating software are two different things. The first one is really for profit (unless you're doing pro bono). The other one can be for any reason other than profit. It's not really the same situation.

Mas mahal ang puhunan mo para sa isang internet shop kaysa sa software development. At sa internet shop, you need money to keep the shop alive, unless you're like Mark Shuttleworth.


natumbok niyo po sir! :) but yung idea na merong linux day is a good compromise and maybe/hopefully later ay maintransition na ang lahat ng tao sa linux...namagreresulta sa mga internet cafe na purong linux ang OS...

Anyway ano kaya magandang paraan para ma-encourage natin ang pagshift ng mga internet cafe's to ubuntu or free OS...


it's ------ to comment like this when you haven't read the book. i do think you really haven't read the book. should i send my old copy when i find it?:popcorn:

i will comment on this matter one last time, because it is starting to look a flame war and i'm finding it silly when i'm stuck with my philosophy and you're stucking with yours...

the point of the matter is business need not to be traditional, if we have a very good product or service, let it speak for itself, surely profit will come. we will never get noticed because we are reluctant to provide what's really a very good "product". most customers are stucked in what i call a software limbo but that doesn't mean we can't save them some trouble going to all that hell. i'm inviting you to this little cafe in daraga, albay. i've discovered it some months ago and found it very successful regarding this topic.

btw, the book is not even about software development per se. open source is not against profitability, it's here to assure users can have a very good computing lifestyle.

[kopinux]

okay lang yan para uminit ang balitaktakan. pero sa akin, mas gusto ko mag concentrate sa education.

[x.3r0]

wag mong seryosohin yung sinabi ko, hindi ko lang nagustuhan yung systema ng edukasyon sa atin, tama ka! visual basic, hindi ba karamihan ng college yung ang final subject at thesis.

wag seryosohin? then please refrain postings like that. who wants to be generalized?. but sincerely, no bad blood taken.

we have the same opinion about the educational system here. but it must not restrict the student's learning in the classroom alone. i'm not aware of some colleges requiring visual basic to do the thesis. but if that's the case pity and maddening. ignorant teachers! VISUAL BASIC is not that bad on some points specially with RAD. but to restrict a software development project to it is plainly st*p*d. but there's always hope if we will just claim it.

[kopinux]

wag seryosohin? then please refrain postings like that. who wants to be generalized?. but sincerely, no bad blood taken.


hindi naman natin mapipigilan mag post minsan ng ganyan, dahil tao lang, may mood swing paminsan minsan.

teka nga parang may hinahabol kang deadline a!, alam mo kaya ako nag shift paalis sa comsci noon kasi hindi ko kaya yung pressure diyan.

[warshak]

wag seryosohin? then please refrain postings like that. who wants to be generalized?. but sincerely, no bad blood taken.

we have the same opinion about the educational system here. but it must not restrict the student's learning in the classroom alone. i'm not aware of some colleges requiring visual basic to do the thesis. but if that's the case pity and maddening. ignorant teachers! VISUAL BASIC is not that bad on some points specially with RAD. but to restrict a software development project to it is plainly st*p*d. but there's always hope if we will just claim it.

Masyado kang mainit, cool down. I respect you're opinion and you should respect mine too, di' ba. Let's all be matured here. Mahirap talagang makasalubong ng opinyon na salungat sa opinyon mo. :)

[kopinux]

pero sayang a, kung magaling na programmer ka ay kailangan ng pilipinas linux ang tulong mo, tulad ng DOST bayanihan, baka pwede ka tumulong sa improvement nun? o kaya kung kaya mo gumawa ng wine na mapapatakbo ang mga online games kahit na may gameguard baka pwede ka tumulong? ipadala mo lang sa amin yung customized wine at bibigay namin sa iyo yung donation na nakolekta sa mga internet cafe.

[loell]

pero sayang a, kung magaling na programmer ka ay kailangan ng pilipinas linux ang tulong mo, tulad ng DOST bayanihan, baka pwede ka tumulong sa improvement nun? o kaya kung kaya mo gumawa ng wine na mapapatakbo ang mga online games kahit na may gameguard baka pwede ka tumulong? ipadala mo lang sa amin yung customized wine at bibigay namin sa iyo yung donation na nakolekta sa mga internet cafe.

I haven't heard of anyone involve in bayanihan that's outside of DOST, I may be wrong though, but had they allowed the Philippine Linux community from the start( during its rpm days) eh siguro dinagsa na sila nang tulong galing sa PLUG ;)

[bonjun]

reply from original post:

mga ts0ng meron ba kayong nakita o napagrent-an na internet cafe/shop na ubuntu/linux OS ng mga PC? kung meron saan? saka please post niyo mga details ng cafe ex. how they run that cafe. et.al.

salamat ;)

our cafe run all pc in linux (ubuntu),, unfortunately it is in its darkest hour,, we have only few good pc running,, some pc died already,, due to financial reasons, we are unable to upgrade our pc....

it is located in frisco, quezon city,,,

risk?,, well, putting up a business is big risk considering na marami na ang internet shops sa vicinity that run pirated windows plus the fact that almost all of our clients have pc and internet connection not to mention having their own internet cafe...

may mga loyal clients kami na bumalik balik, meron din kami mga clients na nawala when we made the switch,,, meron din mga bago na willing matuto especially na un mga younger generations, meron din un tired of ms windows pc,,,.....

all our pc run on ubuntu (the remaining pc ),, inlcuding our print server where usb scanner and 2 printer is connected (inkjet & laser printer),,,,,
and our internet gateway also in ubuntu (server) runs on ipkungfu i;ve been accessing this pc through ssh at command line,,, wired ang setup niya

the shop is for internet surfing only and paperworks,, no games....

[nick.tux]

pero sayang a, kung magaling na programmer ka ay kailangan ng pilipinas linux ang tulong mo, tulad ng DOST bayanihan, baka pwede ka tumulong sa improvement nun? o kaya kung kaya mo gumawa ng wine na mapapatakbo ang mga online games kahit na may gameguard baka pwede ka tumulong? ipadala mo lang sa amin yung customized wine at bibigay namin sa iyo yung donation na nakolekta sa mga internet cafe.

teka sir ano bang language gngmit jan? ..curious..

[nick.tux]

reply from original post:


our cafe run all pc in linux (ubuntu),, unfortunately it is in its darkest hour,, we have only few good pc running,, some pc died already,, due to financial reasons, we are unable to upgrade our pc....

it is located in frisco, quezon city,,,

risk?,, well, putting up a business is big risk considering na marami na ang internet shops sa vicinity that run pirated windows plus the fact that almost all of our clients have pc and internet connection not to mention having their own internet cafe...

may mga loyal clients kami na bumalik balik, meron din kami mga clients na nawala when we made the switch,,, meron din mga bago na willing matuto especially na un mga younger generations, meron din un tired of ms windows pc,,,.....

all our pc run on ubuntu (the remaining pc ),, inlcuding our print server where usb scanner and 2 printer is connected (inkjet & laser printer),,,,,
and our internet gateway also in ubuntu (server) runs on ipkungfu i;ve been accessing this pc through ssh at command line,,, wired ang setup niya

the shop is for internet surfing only and paperworks,, no games....



hanep ka sir. nakakatuwa na meron mga bago sa inyo na gustong matuto, and those that are tired of *******. hehe..

may katanungan lang ako po, since when have you started running your cafe with linux? is it up until now?

ano ulet name ng cafe nyo sir? minsan baka mapadaan ako at masubukan magrent sa cafe ninyo po. hehe..

[perbiu]

Puede ka tumulong sa Bayanihan sa pamamagitan nito; Bisitahin lang yung pahina; http://region4.dost.gov.ph/webapps/WebPublication/details.php?id=355

Subalit nasa Ubuntu forums tayo siguro ayus lang ito dahil mag kapatid naman sila sa inang Debian, Ayus naman yang Bayanihan kulang lang sa Softwares at Games. Saan yung Frisco? Tila puede tayo mag EB diyan at release party sa place mo? Tambayan din baka makatulong kami riyan at upang maka enganyo rin tayo ng maraming miyembro, iba kasi pag meron tayo meeting point.

:guitar:

[kopinux]

teka sir ano bang language gngmit jan? ..curious..

kahit ano language, basta opensource licensed at gagana sa ubuntu.

[kopinux]

reply from original post:


our cafe run all pc in linux (ubuntu),, unfortunately it is in its darkest hour,, we have only few good pc running,, some pc died already,, due to financial reasons, we are unable to upgrade our pc....

it is located in frisco, quezon city,,,

risk?,, well, putting up a business is big risk considering na marami na ang internet shops sa vicinity that run pirated windows plus the fact that almost all of our clients have pc and internet connection not to mention having their own internet cafe...

may mga loyal clients kami na bumalik balik, meron din kami mga clients na nawala when we made the switch,,, meron din mga bago na willing matuto especially na un mga younger generations, meron din un tired of ms windows pc,,,.....

all our pc run on ubuntu (the remaining pc ),, inlcuding our print server where usb scanner and 2 printer is connected (inkjet & laser printer),,,,,
and our internet gateway also in ubuntu (server) runs on ipkungfu i;ve been accessing this pc through ssh at command line,,, wired ang setup niya

the shop is for internet surfing only and paperworks,, no games....

headquarters ba? baka pwede sa inyo, tapos lagyan natin ng karatula sa labas, ubuntu philippines ncr h.q., diyan din ang bagsakan ng shipit, tshirt at stickers. ok ba?

bakit walang games? baka pag naging h.q. natin yan ay pwede din namin patakbuhin ang mga linux games diyan anong malay mo mag pauso ka ng trend, ubuntu gaming.

pwede din maglagay ka ng donation box pag naging hq yan hehe.

[nick.tux]

headquarters ba? baka pwede sa inyo, tapos lagyan natin ng karatula sa labas, ubuntu philippines ncr h.q., diyan din ang bagsakan ng shipit, tshirt at stickers. ok ba?

bakit walang games? baka pag naging h.q. natin yan ay pwede din namin patakbuhin ang mga linux games diyan anong malay mo mag pauso ka ng trend, ubuntu gaming.

pwede din maglagay ka ng donation box pag naging hq yan hehe.
Mr. Bonjun: decision... decision... decision...

[hlintiaco]

Hey, that's good to know. by the way, I will try to set up 10 PC using the latest Server version of Ubuntu (6.06LTS) for Php100/CD or Debian 4.01r Etch baka meron dito, txt me, I'll buy the DVD or CD, sana mura lang. But if u have the Debian 4.01r Etch version, I'll buy the 3 DVD version + 3 DVD software apps version for Php800 eto ung matatagpuan sa site na to: http://www.aboutdebian.com/order.htm

Pls. txt me, I badly needed d above CD, I dont have past DSL. Thanks. 09179299149

[dnns123]

Medyo parang tanga to ah, pero here goes. Use Ubuntu na mukhang windows. Parang windows na linux ang kernel niya. So nakainstall na ang YM, etc.

At please, wag kayo umantay ng games for linux, mail niyo ang game makers para gumawa ng linux games. Gaganahin sila nyan kung aabot ng ilan thousands na tao. 2k na tao lang ata, gaganahin na.

[kopinux]

Hey, that's good to know. by the way, I will try to set up 10 PC using the latest Server version of Ubuntu (6.06LTS) for Php100/CD or Debian 4.01r Etch baka meron dito, txt me, I'll buy the DVD or CD, sana mura lang. But if u have the Debian 4.01r Etch version, I'll buy the 3 DVD version + 3 DVD software apps version for Php800 eto ung matatagpuan sa site na to: http://www.aboutdebian.com/order.htm

Pls. txt me, I badly needed d above CD, I dont have past DSL. Thanks. 09179299149

pasensiya na medyo hindi pa kasi establish yung community namin, kaya medyo mahirap pa mag bigay ng tulong.


Medyo parang tanga to ah, pero here goes. Use Ubuntu na mukhang windows. Parang windows na linux ang kernel niya. So nakainstall na ang YM, etc.

At please, wag kayo umantay ng games for linux, mail niyo ang game makers para gumawa ng linux games. Gaganahin sila nyan kung aabot ng ilan thousands na tao. 2k na tao lang ata, gaganahin na.

marami naman na rin ang linux games, at emulated/ported games, mabilis din ang progress, naalala ko 1 year lang ang laki ng improvement, pero ang target ko yung user base, kailangan dumami pa yung gumagamit ng linux.

[x.3r0]

Masyado kang mainit, cool down. I respect you're opinion and you should respect mine too, di' ba. Let's all be matured here. Mahirap talagang makasalubong ng opinyon na salungat sa opinyon mo. :)

Na-quote kita?:confused: Pagkaka-alam ko kay kopinux 'yun:


wag seryosohin? then please refrain postings like that. who wants to be generalized?. but sincerely, no bad blood taken.

we have the same opinion about the educational system here. but it must not restrict the student's learning in the classroom alone. i'm not aware of some colleges requiring visual basic to do the thesis. but if that's the case pity and maddening. ignorant teachers! VISUAL BASIC is not that bad on some points specially with RAD. but to restrict a software development project to it is plainly st*p*d. but there's always hope if we will just claim it.

and please wala ako ina-antagonize except restricting someone's search for knowledge. isa ka ba? having passionate opinions about computing doesn't make someone immature. i'm used to communicating with people who have a different perspective than mine. fyi, i'm a freelance programmer by profession and clients are naturally inclined to using Windows. but that doesn't stop me from persuading them. if you feel very antagonized by my post, i'm sorry for not in tune with your opinion.




pero sayang a, kung magaling na programmer ka ay kailangan ng pilipinas linux ang tulong mo, tulad ng DOST bayanihan, baka pwede ka tumulong sa improvement nun? o kaya kung kaya mo gumawa ng wine na mapapatakbo ang mga online games kahit na may gameguard baka pwede ka tumulong? ipadala mo lang sa amin yung customized wine at bibigay namin sa iyo yung donation na nakolekta sa mga internet cafe.


i'm into Mono (http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page) right now and i have more personal projects na rin. i'm still a part-time windows programmer, maybe if someone can start that project i could help or better else port it sa *nix. reverse engineer tapos mod it then make it free. everybody will be happy... the question is who's willing to setup a 24/7 server?

hindi po ako magaling, period. mahirap maging freelance programmer, tag-hirap. i'm considering nga to go into the corporate world tapos use my money to pursue better open-source projects.

[loell]

the question is who's willing to setup a 24/7 server?

hindi po ako magaling, period. mahirap maging freelance programmer, tag-hirap. i'm considering nga to go into the corporate world tapos use my money to pursue better open-source projects.

server sa ano po?

[kopinux]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/580/handwashlb6.png

[x.3r0]

server sa ano po?


the server for the online game...

[x.3r0]

http://www.geocities.com/hands_off_lb/ashhand.jpg

[shin05]

Hi ... New User ako ng Ubuntu ..

Wala pa bang progress kung pede na ang mga online games sa ubuntu ?
I hope they can resolve na to ... masyodo na kasi ang mga taga Microsoft . kung magkakagagayon .. mawawala na ang Window base Os dito at maiintroduce na mabuti ang Linux base .. gusto ko sana gawin lahat ubuntu ang client ko problema ang mga Games.
.>>>. lalo pa ngayon nagkakahulihan na ulet ...

[Samhain13]

Hi ... New User ako ng Ubuntu ..

Wala pa bang progress kung pede na ang mga online games sa ubuntu ?
I hope they can resolve na to ... masyodo na kasi ang mga taga Microsoft . kung magkakagagayon .. mawawala na ang Window base Os dito at maiintroduce na mabuti ang Linux base .. gusto ko sana gawin lahat ubuntu ang client ko problema ang mga Games.
.>>>. lalo pa ngayon nagkakahulihan na ulet ...

Errr... anong kuneksyon ng nagkakahulihan sa paggamit ng Windows at ng Linux? Kung lisensyado naman ba ang mga gamit, bakit kailangan mangamba?

You know, even if the game makers build for Linux systems, chances are they're still going to make their products commercial. People will still need to buy the games. So "hulihan" is really irrelevant. Huhulihin lang naman ang tao o ang cafe kung may ginagawa talagang mali.

:)

[outkast08]

OMB raids internet cafes in QC (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=98413)[-X
Dapat nag ubuntu na lang sila kahit mahina kita yan tuloy bagsak negosyo nila. [-(
Dapat magpauso tayo ng bagong Online game o pampalit sa YM para mauso ang ubuntu....:-k

[pinoyskull]

pampalit ng YM? Kopete :)

[Samhain13]

OMB raids internet cafes in QC (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=98413)[-X
Dapat nag ubuntu na lang sila kahit mahina kita yan tuloy bagsak negosyo nila. [-(
Dapat magpauso tayo ng bagong Online game o pampalit sa YM para mauso ang ubuntu....:-k

Funny... "Owners of the raided shops complained that there was no warning about the raid."

Malamang walang pasabi yun, kaya nga RAID eh. :lolflag:

[loell]

yet another alternative sa audio / video chat ay mebeam (http://www.mebeam.com/) , madaling pausuhin to , kasi hindi na kailangan mag register nang mga user.

[kopinux]

to add up the problem:


WHY DO WE NEED OPENXML? Dave Welsh, senior standards program manager for Microsoft Corp., explains why the software company is pushing an open standard for exchanging electronic data, using a 10-year-old standard called OpenXML, in an interview with reporters in Manila. OpenXML is now used by Microsoft in Office 2007. The software vendor, along with other tech companies, hopes this open standard will finally get the nod of ISO members in 2008. Video taken by INQUIRER.net reporter Erwin Oliva in Makati City, Philippines.
http://technology.inquirer.net/

so standard means kailangan mag bayad ng P10,000+++ para makagamit ng office 2007?. paano ba yan mga internet cafe owners?
ngayong niligawan na ng MS yung pilipinas baka iboto na ng pilipinas na YES sa OOXML ahihihi.

[outkast08]

yet another alternative sa audio / video chat ay mebeam (http://www.mebeam.com/) , madaling pausuhin to , kasi hindi na kailangan mag register nang mga user.
Ok to ah... d ko pa na try yung me cam wla kasi ako cam, saka ung invite ko cra daw cam niya... hayz... kung mga pidgin o kopete ka PM lang yung link noh? tapos chat na kayo me video... :popcorn:

Anu ba mga usong online games ngayon? Lalaro ko dati DOTA, nagrurun sa WINE yung Warcraft 3 Frozen throne tapos yun DOTA map kaya lang d ko nagustuhan yung pag press mo ng alt tapos click me lumalabas na menu... me work around ba para dun? d ko pa na try kung maka connect siya online :biggrin:

Mga RPG type na games ata uso dito, nalaro ko lang na ganyan dati yung Khan... sisikat kaya dito FPS type na online game? download ko pa True Combat Elite na Mod para sa Enemy Territory : Wolfenstein... Para ata itong counter strike...

[loell]

Ok to ah... d ko pa na try yung me cam wla kasi ako cam, saka ung invite ko cra daw cam niya... hayz... kung mga pidgin o kopete ka PM lang yung link noh? tapos chat na kayo me video... :popcorn:

sana i-try mo yung audio/mic function niya ;) kahit walang webcam :)
gusto ko kasing malaman yung audio quality niya :biggrin:

[rjmdomingo2003]

yet another alternative sa audio / video chat ay mebeam (http://www.mebeam.com/) , madaling pausuhin to , kasi hindi na kailangan mag register nang mga user.
Masubukan nga yan. I'll use my Logi-Orbit cam (with built-in mic) nang ma-check na rin yung audio quality.

Feedback na lang kita sir loell.

[loell]

thanks in advance :)

[Surgeon General]

guys any feedback dito? nakikita ko black box lang sa www.mebeam.com and i'm using firefox2 sa ubuntu 7.10

[ichi_730]

heheheh gnun b tlga nkktakot an linux? hehe sabagay strange tlga 2 pro pg nsanay an tao lalo na using KDE's maaapreciate nila un its a matter of time management cguro...

[Surgeon General]

btw, my take on this unlicensed windows shop is alert the BSA and OMB at the same time. fair is fair. kung hindi tayo makapag-install ng ubuntu sa mga PC natin dahil may choice na windows shop ang mga users, unfair disadvantage sa atin yon.

my 2cents and IMHO lang.

[ichi_730]

cguro sa ngaun mhhrapan khit cnung net-cafe mginstall ng linux OS sa mga shops nila.. pro nkkta nman ntin sa mga reports sa news na hmhina na MS XP kc sunod sunod na compiscate ng computers un ang advantage ng linux...:)

[loell]

guys any feedback dito? nakikita ko black box lang sa www.mebeam.com and i'm using firefox2 sa ubuntu 7.10

naka-install po ba ang flash? or rather do you have any problems with flash lately?

[Surgeon General]

naka-install po ba ang flash? or rather do you have any problems with flash lately?

doh! hindi i hate flash kaya hindi ko install sa FF2.

salamat.

[Surgeon General]

cguro sa ngaun mhhrapan khit cnung net-cafe mginstall ng linux OS sa mga shops nila.. pro nkkta nman ntin sa mga reports sa news na hmhina na MS XP kc sunod sunod na compiscate ng computers un ang advantage ng linux...:)

sang-ayon ako pero tandaan ninyo kung walang gagabay sa OMB at BSA hindi magiging tagumpay ang mga lakad nila. kaya kung meron kayong alam na illegal na windows shop tumawag sa OMB at BSA.

[loell]

doh! hindi i hate flash kaya hindi ko install sa FF2.

salamat.

:popcorn: How sad , ewan ko ba, pero para sa akin hindi completo ang buhay nang linux desktop pag walang youtube, heheh :mrgreen:

[Surgeon General]

:popcorn: How sad , ewan ko ba, pero para sa akin hindi completo ang buhay nang linux desktop pag walang youtube, heheh :mrgreen:

to each his own i guess ;-)

[Samhain13]

sang-ayon ako pero tandaan ninyo kung walang gagabay sa OMB at BSA hindi magiging tagumpay ang mga lakad nila. kaya kung meron kayong alam na illegal na windows shop tumawag sa OMB at BSA.

Devil's advocate:

Kung ang may-ari isang Internet cafe ay legal na Windows user/partner, ang pinakamaganda niyang gawin ay isumbong ang mga kakompitensya niya na alam niyang pirata ang Windows na ginagamit! Hehehehe!

At kung may-ari naman tayo ng Internet cafe na pirata ang Windows na gamit, o hindi sapat ang pahintulot para gamitin ang kopya ng Windows sa maraming units, mag-Ubuntu na lang para walang bulilyaso. Siyempre, dapat din isumbong ang mga kakompitensya sa OMB na alam naman nating hindi gumagamit ng legal na kopya ng Windows. Heheehehe!

:)

[Surgeon General]

hindi naman dahil sa kakumpetensiya sila ang dapat dahilan.

ang tamang dahilan ay ang kanilang gawain ay lalong nagpapababa sa pagkakataon natin na umangat sa industriya. ang mga bansa sa Europe, at Africa na hindi rin kaya maglaan ng sapat na pera para sa ligal ng kopya ng Windows ay Linux ang inaasikaso nila.

karamihan sa atin ay nasa position na sa kani-kanilang kumpanya para iudyok ang paggamit ng FOSS. kahit na wala sa atin ang huling desisyon puwede tayong mag-bigay ng mga pagpipilian sa mga namumuno. ang mga pagpipiliang ito ay dapat FOSS.

marami hindi nakaka-alam na ang OpenOffice.org ay puwede na ipampalit sa MS Office. kung may DSL kayo download ninyo ang OpenOffice.org at ipamigay kalapi ang libro para gabayan ang mga magsisimula.

wala sa gobyerno o saligang batas ang sagot. nasa atin.

[Samhain13]

Tama lang iyon. Kung negosyante akong matino, bakit ko papayagang dayain ako ng kompetisyon? Hindi ba't pandaraya ang sumabak sa isang paligsahan kung ang gamit natin ay nakaw?

Ipagpalagay na lang natin na ang negosyong Internet cafe ay liga ng basketball. Kung may kopunan ako sa liga na iyon, bakit ako papayag na makipaglaban sa ibang kopunan na hindi naman nagbayad sa quota o nagpapasok ng pitong manlalaro kung ang pinapayagan lang ay lima sa bawat kopunan? Kung ganito lang din ang kalaban, wala naman sigurong mali sa pagsumbong sa mga tagapangasiwa ng liga tunkol sa mga ginagawa ng ganitong mga kalaban.

Magkano ang lisensyang binabayaran para Windows XP upang magamit ito sa labin-limang aparato? Kung matino ang isang negosyante, pupuhunanan niya ang kinakailangang halaga bagama't ito'y may kamahalan. Ngayon, bakit siya papayag na ang katabing cafe niya ay mamumuhunan lamang ng dalawang daang Piso na pambili ng piratang Windows XP para makipagkompitensya sa kaniya kung siya naman ay gumasto ng ilang libo para sa parehong serbisyo?

[malleus]

nagsimula akong ituro ang ubuntu linux sa first year and second year HS students last year, at magpahanggang ngayon may mga magaaral pa ding babalik ng laboratory para gumawa ng research work pagkatapos ng mga klase nila. mas madali sana at hindi pahirap sa kanila kung may mga interenet cafe na magtatayo sa malapit sa school na all ubuntu linux pc ang set up.

kaya sa balak magtayo ng all ubuntu linux pc internet cafe, sa tabi ng school namin pede, tatambakan ko kayo ng mga kliyente.

[loell]

magandang idea at proposal yan, a linux internet cafe accredited or approved by the nearby school, and both the owner and the school agrees that the students entering the icafe will only do research and school related paper works. :)

[raxso]

Ganun naman sa simula eh nakakatakot gumamit ng OS pag hindi mo alam. yun ang Naramdaman ko when i first started to use Linux i started with RH6 and Slackware 1.0 kasi very limited ang documentation lalo n sa books mostly online ang documentation. Pero with Ubuntu as a full desktop ok n talaga siyang pamalit sa windows. If your planning to open or use Ubuntu on an Internet Cafe ang flaw niya lng ay mga games. Di ko pa tlaga tested ang ibang online games sa ubuntu but some already run properly sa Ubuntu using WINE. Pero kung internet and typing walang problem wala pang virus. For IM pidgin is a good one although maninibago talaga ang mga users but it is worth the try and lesser pa sa maintenance.

[raxso]

Tama lang iyon. Kung negosyante akong matino, bakit ko papayagang dayain ako ng kompetisyon? Hindi ba't pandaraya ang sumabak sa isang paligsahan kung ang gamit natin ay nakaw?

Ipagpalagay na lang natin na ang negosyong Internet cafe ay liga ng basketball. Kung may kopunan ako sa liga na iyon, bakit ako papayag na makipaglaban sa ibang kopunan na hindi naman nagbayad sa quota o nagpapasok ng pitong manlalaro kung ang pinapayagan lang ay lima sa bawat kopunan? Kung ganito lang din ang kalaban, wala naman sigurong mali sa pagsumbong sa mga tagapangasiwa ng liga tunkol sa mga ginagawa ng ganitong mga kalaban.

Magkano ang lisensyang binabayaran para Windows XP upang magamit ito sa labin-limang aparato? Kung matino ang isang negosyante, pupuhunanan niya ang kinakailangang halaga bagama't ito'y may kamahalan. Ngayon, bakit siya papayag na ang katabing cafe niya ay mamumuhunan lamang ng dalawang daang Piso na pambili ng piratang Windows XP para makipagkompitensya sa kaniya kung siya naman ay gumasto ng ilang libo para sa parehong serbisyo?

Mahigpit na ngaun ang OMB pati blank CD and CD/DVD Writer ay kinukuha nila. Kesa makuha nila ang mga computer at gamit nyo Ubuntu GNU/Linux n lng ang gamitin natin.

[raxso]

Devil's advocate:

Kung ang may-ari isang Internet cafe ay legal na Windows user/partner, ang pinakamaganda niyang gawin ay isumbong ang mga kakompitensya niya na alam niyang pirata ang Windows na ginagamit! Hehehehe!

At kung may-ari naman tayo ng Internet cafe na pirata ang Windows na gamit, o hindi sapat ang pahintulot para gamitin ang kopya ng Windows sa maraming units, mag-Ubuntu na lang para walang bulilyaso. Siyempre, dapat din isumbong ang mga kakompitensya sa OMB na alam naman nating hindi gumagamit ng legal na kopya ng Windows. Heheehehe!

:)

Sang ayon ako sa iyo, sabihin na natin na unfair competition pag nagsumbong k sa OMB na ang kalapit mong rentals ay hindi licensed windows ang gamit, Ok lng yun kasi in the first place nagbukas siya ng rentals dapat alam nya ang batas na dapat gumamit ng licensed windows at yung mga gumagamit ng unlicensed windows mapa personal man o business aba mag-isip kayo baka kayo n ang susunod na ma-raid. hehehehehehe :)

[Samhain13]

^Hindi yun "unfair competition". Kung tutuusin nga yung mga dapat isumbong ang hindi nagnenegosyo nang patas; ang "unfair competition" ay ang paggamit ng piratang software para lumaban sa ibang negosyanteng namumuhunan ng tama para sa software na ginagamit nila.

Pero tunkol dun sa CD/DVD writer. Sa pagkakalala ko, kung lugar na pangkalakalan tulad ng Internet cafe ang paglalagyan ng mga ito, may binabayaran lang na permit sa OMB. Hanggat may permit ang isang cafe para sa mga kagamitang iyon, hindi dapat kinukumpiska ang mga iyon.

Nang mabasa ko ang panukalang iyon, napaisip din ako kasi may nabasa din ako na sa Canada naman, mayroon palang karagdagang buwis na binabayaran sa pagbili sa mga kagamitang iyon, pati na sa mga blankong media. Ang buwis na iyon ay hinahati at ibinibigay sa iba't-ibang recording company/label at film studio para makabawi ang mga ito sa mga maaaring nawala nilang kita dahilan sa pagsasalin ng mga gawa nila sa blankong media na gamit ang mga CD/DVD writer. Bakit kaya hindi natin sila tularan? Mukha naman maayos ang ganoong sistema. Pero, lumalayo na yata tayo sa usapang Internet cafe, hehehe... :)

Sang-ayon ako sa ideya na marahil ay pinakamagandang gumamit ng FOSS para sa mga negosyong tulad ng Internet cafe. Maraming aspeto ang negosyong iyon ngunit nagkataon lamang na ang malaking kita ay nanggagaling sa gaming kaya't napakalaking bagay ang kawalan ng suporta para sa games. Pero kung iisipin natin, sa mga lokasyon na tulad ng mga paaralan, mas mabuti na din na walang games ang mga kompyuter sapagkat maaari lang magbigay ang mga ito ng masamang impluwensya sa mga mag-aaral. Marahil ay mas makabubuti na para sa mga ganitong lugar, ang kita ay asahang manggagaling mula sa renta para sa office software, web-based research mula sa Wiki o ano pa man, printing, atbp.

Malleus: magandang business propsal yang mga ganyan! Kung meron nga sanang puwedeng mamuhunan na kaibigan natin, patok yan! :)

[nick.tux]

magandang idea at proposal yan, a linux internet cafe accredited or approved by the nearby school, and both the owner and the school agrees that the students entering the icafe will only do research and school related paper works. :)

I agree. tiyak papayag nearby schools diyan. pero paano kung pati sila kulang ang knowledge sa OS na to? hmmn... wag na lang muna isipin siguro. like i said, agree ako sa ideyang yun. "May the Ubuntu be with 'em"


Ganun naman sa simula eh nakakatakot gumamit ng OS pag hindi mo alam. yun ang Naramdaman ko when i first started to use Linux i started with RH6 and Slackware 1.0 kasi very limited ang documentation lalo n sa books mostly online ang documentation. Pero with Ubuntu as a full desktop ok n talaga siyang pamalit sa windows. If your planning to open or use Ubuntu on an Internet Cafe ang flaw niya lng ay mga games. Di ko pa tlaga tested ang ibang online games sa ubuntu but some already run properly sa Ubuntu using WINE. Pero kung internet and typing walang problem wala pang virus. For IM pidgin is a good one although maninibago talaga ang mga users but it is worth the try and lesser pa sa maintenance.

clients naman eh di kelangan matakot. they don't need to install something sa OS basta all apps na they will probably need na-install na. eh kung ganun sila ka-curious sa OS na gagamitin nila sa iCafe baka yun na rin gamitin nilang primary OS sa pc nila sa bahay then experiment, most of students naman na ngayon eh may sari-sariling pc na sa bahay. maganda kalalabasan kung ganun. more & more ubuntu users. think of it. online games? darating din tayo diyan. hopefully.


^Hindi yun "unfair competition". Kung tutuusin nga yung mga dapat isumbong ang hindi nagnenegosyo nang patas; ang "unfair competition" ay ang paggamit ng piratang software para lumaban sa ibang negosyanteng namumuhunan ng tama para sa software na ginagamit nila.


i agree sa idea na magtayo ng iCafe with Linux OS. pero di sa sumbongan. don't get me wrong pero us filipinos eh matigas ang ulo, sumbong mo still babalik yan, sumbong, still balik, and so on.. di na siguro kelangan yun paraan na yun. think of different ways to promote your iCafe na different OS from others. kaya nga mas magandang ideya kung sa nearby school itatayo, "research/study purposes dito, gaming dun sa kabila" i believe naman magiging ok din yun. fast internet to do research things & other school purposes, di ka pa naging madamot sa mga katabi mong iCafe.

[Samhain13]

As for "tigas ng ulo", we can think of it this way: the OMB is a government agency whose existence relies on taxpayer money. It exists to protect the interests of legitimate businesses and individuals that are involved in optical media, whether these be producers or end-users/audience.

Internet cafes pay business taxes, among other things, and these monies find their way to OMB funding so it really is in the interest of cafe owners to weed out shoddy competition. Kung makulit sila, sumbong ka lang ulit-- all it takes is a few phone calls anyway and OMB will only be doing what YOU pay them (albeit indirectly) to do. There's nothing wrong with that.

Promoting FOSS is a very good thing. But we shouldn't think that this endeavour is a replacement for promoting the rule of law and good business practices. These things have to go together. :)

Don't get me wrong-- competition is good. It's good to watch and it's good to participate in as long as it's honourable. But cheaters have their place even in business. If one believes in using proprietary software, then he had better be able to affort it. If one believes in using FOSS, then he had better have the drive to learn it and to make it work as he pleases. But if one can't afford proprietary software nor doesn't want to drive himself to study the FOSS he needs, then what right has he to compete in this kind of environment?

[Surgeon General]

nagsimula akong ituro ang ubuntu linux sa first year and second year HS students last year, at magpahanggang ngayon may mga magaaral pa ding babalik ng laboratory para gumawa ng research work pagkatapos ng mga klase nila. mas madali sana at hindi pahirap sa kanila kung may mga interenet cafe na magtatayo sa malapit sa school na all ubuntu linux pc ang set up.

kaya sa balak magtayo ng all ubuntu linux pc internet cafe, sa tabi ng school namin pede, tatambakan ko kayo ng mga kliyente.

maganda mungkahi mo pre. kung ang "output" ng mga paaralan ay bihasa sa FOSS, tiyak FOSS din ang hahanapin nila pag naghanap na sila ng trabaho. ang mga negosyo ay mapipilitang sumunod sapagka't wala na silang makukuhang nakapag-tapos na hindi alam ang FOSS.

tignan ninyo, bakit inaalalayan ng Microsoft ang AMA University? dahil gusto nila ang mga nagtapos sa AMA ay ang alam lang ay Windows at Microsoft. kung wala sila mahihita dito bakit pa nila pagkakagastusan?

[kopinux]

as is na yan, wala na tayo magagawa diyan, culture of cheating (nandyan na yan).

basta ang magandang strategy ay yung vista, hindi dapat maulit yung cycle. magandang targetin yung mga tumatalon sa vista. inquisition na to muwahahah!

Philippines’ Software Piracy Rate Unchanged at 71% for Three Consecutive Years
http://w3.bsa.org/philippines/press/newsreleases/2007-global-piracy-study.cfm

http://w3.bsa.org/philippines/images/BSA-Hotline-ad-2007.jpg
https://reporting-asia.bsa.org/english/enduser/add.aspx?CountryID=10&reward=yes

maganda trabaho ang bounty hunter

[nick.tux]

ayus yan. sideline.. hehe...

[Nessa]

Ayos yan na sideline.

[raxso]

Ayus nga, So mga Pirates Beware.... Alam nyo n kung sino yun. Hehehehehe :)

[Elijah]

matagal ko na gusto i try 'to. Medyo na delay lang.

So far la pa rin ako nakikita cafe na puro linux sa area namin, maka-windows lahat kelangan kasi nila ng games.

[Samhain13]

Bounty hunters! Hahahaha! Oo, mukha ngang magandang sideline yan! :D
Napaka-tempting.

Alam niyo nung bandang 2001 nakapagtrabaho ako sa isang record company. Hehehe! Ang gamit naming Photoshop (panggawa ng mga album cover) ay pirata! Ang Windows namin, medyo doubtful. Makes you wonder kasi maingay ang recording industry sa usapang piracy.

Anyway, veering off topic na naman ako... :)

Pero ang saya sigurong eskandalo nun kung makakakita tayo ng raid laban sa pirated software na ang may-sala ay industry player na tulad ng record company o film production studio. Buwahahaha!

[Surgeon General]

sa usapang linux para sa mga Internet kapihan, madalas na hinahanap ay ang Y! messenger. sa ngayon may kasagutan, kahit ba beta, at iyon ay ang http://webmessenger.yahoo.com na sa ngayong kalagayan ay puwede na. huwag ka lang masyado umasa sa mga "audibles".

[kopinux]

yung gyachE ni loell maganda pang yahoo level talaga, kaso kaya kaya ayusin yung GUI?

http://www.mediafire.com/?avyn4kzjxmy
gutsy version, one click install.

*hindi lang sideline yan, ang pagkakaalam ko pag successful na prosecute ang isang company 1 million ang reward.

[loell]

yung gyachE ni loell maganda pang yahoo level talaga, kaso kaya kaya ayusin yung GUI?


Heheh, I did attempt late last year to change the UI and made some improvements that did not made it to the main source ,

ang hirap, di kaya nang weak powers ko :lolflag:

[mumushi]

Regarding sa icafe using Ubuntu as an OS we tried it noong 2005. Back then it was 5.10 Breezy Badger. Ok lang naman sa naging mga costumers namin kasi most of the needed software is nakalabas ang icon sa desktop so all they have to do is click it. For browsing we used firefox back then then open office sa mga gagawa ng reports and so on. it was almost 5 months na ganun ang setup namin and kumikita naman pero iba parin ung kita namin when there was games. Kaso di pwede that time. Sa observation ko average users and even newbie sa Ubuntu would not fear using it kasi madali lang. We assist them that time ask lang namin ano gagawin nila either gawa sila report or magbrowse sa net and ituturo namin click nila and ok naman. There were some issues lalo na sa IM kasi mostly sanay sa yahoo that time. We used gyachi pero di nila gusto GUI. Hirap na hirap din ako sa pagpriprint noon kasi i myself is a newbie sa Ubuntu. After that bumalik kami sa MS Windows dahil sa games mas malaki kita. Sa ngayon alam kung its not impossible na maging successfull ang icafe na gagamit ng Ubuntu lalo na ngayong paganda ng paganda ito. Basing sa experience ko it did well and 5.10 pa un how much more ngayon 7.10 na. A lot of improvements were made. Thats all i can share regaring the topic hope it helped.

[loell]

heto na ang simula nang yahoo web messenger with webcam support, on going ang kanilang development as of this writing,

http://blog.messenger.yahoo.com/images/screenshot_webmsgrwebcam.jpg

so, siguro hindi na kailangan nang native application and third party hack like gyachi , kopete, etc ;)

sigh, kailangan ko nang lumipat nang foss project :lolflag:

[raxso]

Ok ba ang speed ng web messenger kahit smartbro lng ang gamit.

[loell]

ok naman, since its just flash,

my only gripe is that, your buddies will be annoyed of their notification of your frequent log-on and log off,

[kopinux]

http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/11/35/22/11/pnp_le11.jpg

1 million reward muwahaha!:lolflag:

[nick.tux]

http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/11/35/22/11/pnp_le11.jpg

1 million reward muwahaha!:lolflag:


ayus talaga! di na kailangan sumali sa mga gameshow para magkaroon ng 1 million.. nye he he he

[daxumaming]

nabalita ito sa news e (ABS-CBN TV Patrol), sabi yata ng representative ng NBI (? or is it OMB) na they don't really have enough resources to follow through on this. So ginagawa nila on the first report is to call the company first and warn them that someone tipped them off that they're using pirated software, and then they'll check them after a few weeks. Now, kung totoo ung 1M reward, pano pa nila mahuhuli un?

[raxso]

nabalita ito sa news e (ABS-CBN TV Patrol), sabi yata ng representative ng NBI (? or is it OMB) na they don't really have enough resources to follow through on this. So ginagawa nila on the first report is to call the company first and warn them that someone tipped them off that they're using pirated software, and then they'll check them after a few weeks. Now, kung totoo ung 1M reward, pano pa nila mahuhuli un?

Hmmn makes sense so paano pa magiging raid yun kung alam din ng huhulihin nila na may raid... hayz pinoy nga naman. :confused:

[Samhain13]

Ok lang din naman siguro na may "fair warning". Ang mahalaga naman dun ay tanggalin nga ng mga operator ang piratang software (at, hehehe, gumamit na lang ng FOSS). Mas maganda na rin siguro ang delayed response ng OMB/NBI para nga naman pagnakahulihan, wala nang lusot yung nagkakasala.

Tunkol naman sa resources, sa palagay ko hindi lang pera ang pinag-uusapan.

Kung hindi ako nagkakamali, ang OMB ay parang DDB (Dangerous Drugs Board) na "policy-making body". Gagawa sila ng rules and regulations, methods of implementation, etc. Pero ang pagpapatupad ng mga policy na ginagawa nila ay law enforcement agencies pa rin na tulad nga ng PNP at NBI. Yung sinasabing kulang na resources, maaring man-power ng law enforcement agencies din ang tinutukoy. Kaya kahit na may reward money at madami nang reklamo, hindi kaagad narerespondehan ng PNP o NBI dahil sa kakulangan nila sa tao.

[loell]

saan kaya ito? :lolflag:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=621320

we are discussing.. but this guy is doing it :guitar:


pics or it did not happen? His Flickr set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33359003@N00/sets/72157602974457983/)

[Samhain13]

Asteeg yung mama na yun ah! Malakas ang loob. Sana palarin silang mag-asawa sa cafe nila. :D

[kopinux]

ang maganda dito, monitor natin at gawing study, para may patunay na pwede talaga ang ubuntu sa internet cafe.

[slaphoundz]

Ayos! hindi sila pwedeng i-raid ng NBI...:guitar:

[kopinux]

meron na rin trend sa mga internet cafe ngayon, nag slowly shift sila sa linux, yung isa o dalawang computer nila naka linux. parang pang testing.

[outkast08]

saan kaya ito? :lolflag:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=621320

we are discussing.. but this guy is doing it :guitar:


pics or it did not happen? His Flickr set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33359003@N00/sets/72157602974457983/)

Great Cafe:guitar:



I wonder what games they are playin...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/1940285399_88a48ada0f.jpg?v=0

[loell]

a bit hard to guess, surely its a first person shooter type

my guess is openarena?

kayo anong hula nyo? ;)

[mitchi]

mukhang openarena nga.. another guess is nexuiz?

[outkast08]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2300/1901409229_921dedb1d1.jpg?v=0
I think it is in Negros Oriental... :mrgreen:
It says A project of SK Provincial Federation of Negros Oriental... just above the girl's head.

[loell]

I think it is in Negros Oriental... :mrgreen:
It says A project of SK Provincial Federation of Negros Oriental... just above the girl's head.

good eyes :shock: :biggrin:

[wilvyrux]

for me guys masmaganda mag tayo ng computer cafe tpos PURE linux lahat....Kc compare nyo yung gagastosin nyo for example pure windows ang OS...you need to purchase a linsence Cd ng windows.. right?9000 yung cost ng cd..compare sa Free software and Virus Free Also..masmura pero yung quality OK....Problem ng tao is nasanay cla sa mga windows games kc yun ang available as of now...But may mga Linux games na mas the best pa sa windows games like open arena etc...then pag dating nman sa chat sa linux may gyacht, kopete and xchat etc.. na mas maganda pa sa yahoo messenger....

pag nkita nman ng mga tao yung application ng linux kaya nman nilang gamitin...so kailangan lang ng mgandang strategy para ma introduce ng maayos sa kanila ang linux...then ma realize nila na ang windows is sucks software and playing ground ng viruses nd more expensive..hehehe2...

aminin ntin o sa hindi magaling lang ang marketing ng microsoft windows...so i hope na may mag lalakas ng loob na mag stick sa linux lalo na sa mga computer cafe.....

god bless us.

good marketing strategy is the key here.......

[raxso]

Maybe we can help this project prosper.

Adopt a Computer Shop Linux Project

http://tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=123043

Sa aking pananaw kung lahat ng mga lanshop owners ay magkakaisa muna na gumamit ng linux at hindi gagamit ng online games ay baka mapilitan ang mga online gaming company na gumawa ng games o i-port ang games nila sa linux. ano sa tingin nyo guys....

[elite_angel]

Its just a matter of showing all the people what are the benefits of using Linux Operating Systems, and that's it.

When it comes to Internet Cafes? It may be subjected to what kind of service the Cafe has to offer? Office Applications? Gaming? I think it should be both... Hard for Gamings, because all game programmers / companies are looking for money, and since we are open source, ITS REALLY HARD.

But for Geeks, those who want to share their skills, creating games for LINUX, that will make a difference...! One of the keys!

GAMES FOR LINUX!

visit http://games.linux.sk/




NCC-United Kingdom International Advanced Diploma #245842
Linux Registered User #437451
Senior DeMOLAY - PJC , PSC

[elite_angel]

Its just a matter of showing all the people what are the benefits of using Linux Operating Systems, and that's it.

When it comes to Internet Cafes? It may be subjected to what kind of service the Cafe has to offer? Office Applications? Gaming? I think it should be both... Hard for Gamings, because all game programmers / companies are looking for money, and since we are open source, ITS REALLY HARD.

But for Geeks, those who want to share their skills, creating games for LINUX, that will make a difference...! One of the keys!

GAMES FOR LINUX!

visit http://games.linux.sk/




NCC-United Kingdom International Advanced Diploma #245842
Linux Registered User #437451
Senior DeMOLAY - PJC , PSC

"Ang mundo ay libro, iisang pahina lamang ang nakikita ng mga hindi naglalakbay"

[rjmdomingo2003]

yet another alternative sa audio / video chat ay mebeam (http://www.mebeam.com/) , madaling pausuhin to , kasi hindi na kailangan mag register nang mga user.
:guitar: Gumagana yung Logitech Orbit webcam ko with mebeam.. yey! Yung mic i-checheck ko pa po. Sir loell, papaano mag-invite sa room ko sa mebeam? Kelangan ko bang on yung pidgin, kopete, gyachi for me to invite? Thanks in adv.

[loell]

yeah you might use any Instant messenger of your liking, as you need to send the invitation link, basically when you create your room, there 's this clickable link "invite people" it sends the invitation link to the clipboard, so you can paste the link anywhere you like. :)

[rjmdomingo2003]

yeah you might use any Instant messenger of your liking, as you need to send the invitation link, basically when you create your room, there 's this clickable link "invite people" it sends the invitation link to the clipboard, so you can paste the link anywhere you like. :)
Salamat po. Susubukan ko na po.

[md5hash]

anyone knows how to make warcraft 3 playable on LAN?
after kasi ma click yung join walang nangyayarin.. any idea?

[Bobetofilocos]

i use ubuntu since 6.04 sa cafe ko with 10 pc, so far mahirap intoduce
pero i insist, medyo lugi nga ng ilang buwan, pero its worth it. 80% of our income came from games so i decided to focus on wine. if you want to keep dota playable on lan without hassle revert your version to 0.9.2 to 0.9.43 games i serve?
MU, WoW, Lineage2, DoTA, Quake4, Call of Duty2, ET all under wine, medyo hindi flawless sa L2 but playable. sa native naman Savage, Frets on Fire which is like O2 jam etc...

i dont like MS cause they pull more money than you make

The lesson as business go "Take the risk and take it like a man"
Hey!!! im still operating :)

Name: Frogbox Cyber Cafe
Location: 210-A Candon Mall, Candon City

P.S.

messenger i use amsn (they support webcams)

[outkast08]

i use ubuntu since 6.04 sa cafe ko with 10 pc, so far mahirap intoduce
pero i insist, medyo lugi nga ng ilang buwan, pero its worth it. 80% of our income came from games so i decided to focus on wine. if you want to keep dota playable on lan without hassle revert your version to 0.9.2 to 0.9.43 games i serve?
MU, WoW, Lineage2, DoTA, Quake4, Call of Duty2, ET all under wine, medyo hindi flawless sa L2 but playable. sa native naman Savage, Frets on Fire which is like O2 jam etc...

i dont like MS cause they pull more money than you make

The lesson as business go "Take the risk and take it like a man"
Hey!!! im still operating :)

Name: Frogbox Cyber Cafe
Location: 210-A Candon Mall, Candon City

P.S.

messenger i use amsn (they support webcams)

Astig!!!:guitar: gaanu na katagal Linux Internet Cafe niyo?
ET = Enemy Territory?

[loell]

P.S.

messenger i use amsn (they support webcams)

heheh, it has always my belief that we seems to be a Yahoo country. liban na lang siguro kung ang mga tao sa paligid ay MSN users. ;)

[md5hash]

i use ubuntu since 6.04 sa cafe ko with 10 pc, so far mahirap intoduce
pero i insist, medyo lugi nga ng ilang buwan, pero its worth it. 80% of our income came from games so i decided to focus on wine. if you want to keep dota playable on lan without hassle revert your version to 0.9.2 to 0.9.43 games i serve?
MU, WoW, Lineage2, DoTA, Quake4, Call of Duty2, ET all under wine, medyo hindi flawless sa L2 but playable. sa native naman Savage, Frets on Fire which is like O2 jam etc...

i dont like MS cause they pull more money than you make

The lesson as business go "Take the risk and take it like a man"
Hey!!! im still operating :)

Name: Frogbox Cyber Cafe
Location: 210-A Candon Mall, Candon City

P.S.

messenger i use amsn (they support webcams)

may problem ako sa war craft 3 eh.. Nakikita nya yung mga games created pero ayaw nya mag join.. may solution kb dito? gamit ko latest version ng wine.

salamat.

[Bobetofilocos]

Yep ET (Enemy Territory)

Sa Dota revert to 0.9.2 they run better than 0.45. dont use 0,9.46 above kasi hindi yata naimplement sa mga version na ito

Using Ubuntu for almost 3 years now

[dnns123]

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=348881

Nabasa ko yan, its about a prog that is made for iCafes, never tried it though...

[rjmdomingo2003]

yeah you might use any Instant messenger of your liking, as you need to send the invitation link, basically when you create your room, there 's this clickable link "invite people" it sends the invitation link to the clipboard, so you can paste the link anywhere you like. :)
Mebeam suits my needs! Hooray!

Q: Papaano naman ma-view ko yung cam ng ka-chat ko? Do I have control over this o wala?

[loell]

Q: Papaano naman ma-view ko yung cam ng ka-chat ko? Do I have control over this o wala?

it needs to be set by the user on the other side.

[rjmdomingo2003]

it needs to be set by the user on the other side.
Mmmm-kay. Papaano nya maseset? Thru settings tab para sa cam like kung papaano ko rin sinet?

Thanks loell!

[loell]

yeah :) , generic setting yun nang flash player sa lahat nang OS.

[mennn]

Pasingit!!!!

Cafe na ubuntu ang OS ung aking cafe Dual Boot minsan di nila alam Linux na gamit nila wag mo lang sabihin, minsan hanap pa nga nila ung os kasi, may nagawa raw sila na hindi pwd sa kabila...

Pag alam nilang Linux na ang os takot na sila... advance daw....

[saspo]

Do you know of any internet cafe/network admin software for use with Linux. It could be free or fee. Thanks for any info.

[fishfillet]

Sa dati ko pong work sa isang local government unit, nagtayo po kami ng Community eCenter na puro linux po ang OS.

Syempre dahil libre, pinuntahan pa rin kahit linux ung OS. Sa una, marami tanong pero sa bandang huli nagustuhan na nila kasi daw sobrang bilis daw ung internet surfing kumpara sa ibang cafe (di ko po kasi sinabi na naka-squid proxy server po!).

Actually, madali turuan ung mga bata... ung mga elementary at high school kesa sa mga matatanda.

[mitchi]

Do you know of any internet cafe/network admin software for use with Linux. It could be free or fee. Thanks for any info.

oo nga, parang net cafe admin ito.. baka may alam kayo.. salamat..

[yron87]

Sa dati ko pong work sa isang local government unit, nagtayo po kami ng Community eCenter na puro linux po ang OS.

Syempre dahil libre, pinuntahan pa rin kahit linux ung OS. Sa una, marami tanong pero sa bandang huli nagustuhan na nila kasi daw sobrang bilis daw ung internet surfing kumpara sa ibang cafe (di ko po kasi sinabi na naka-squid proxy server po!).

Actually, madali turuan ung mga bata... ung mga elementary at high school kesa sa mga matatanda.

Well i think mas madaling turuan ang mga bata kesa sa mga matanda. For sure yung mga matanda (not really because of old age) pero in a way na nasanay na sa windows and ayaw ng mag explore. The reason why linux is popular in other country is because yung government nila mismo ang nagpapasimuno ng FOSS. I hope sa pinas gawin din nilang ganon. start with school, isama nila sa course flow. kung pwede as early as elementary grade ituro na ang basics.

[ayanph]

it's nice to know that there are now alot of Linux Users here in the Philippines! Mabuhay!

[ichi_730]

i guess kong internet browsing lang ang service offered ok na... pero kung gaming mahirap, medyo limited pa ang available games para sa linux...

medyo lubog pa ang Pilipinas sa MS XP at kung iisipin nagsisimula palang dumami ang mga tao na merong alam sa linux o malakas ang loob na gumamit ng OS na hindi sila sanay...

In terms of gaming kaya naman siguro ng wine emulator yun..:) yung DOTA ntry na namin ang disadvantage lang malalaro mo yung multiplayer pero hindi mo malalaro yong mission:)

[Laibcoms]

to add up the problem:



so standard means kailangan mag bayad ng P10,000+++ para makagamit ng office 2007?. paano ba yan mga internet cafe owners?
ngayong niligawan na ng MS yung pilipinas baka iboto na ng pilipinas na YES sa OOXML ahihihi.

well then maybe we need to email them now :p
I thanked them for voting No last year, their email: bps@dti.gov.ph

For the others read this:
http://www.noooxml.org/petition
http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1264


IBM voted NO on OpenXML in ECMA


I think Rob Weir (http://robweir.com/blog/) and I (as well as many others) have made it clear in the last few months why we think the OpenDocument Format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument) ISO (http://www.iso.org/iso/home.htm) standard is vastly superior to the Open XML spec. ODF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument) is what the world needs today to drive competition, innovation, and lower costs for customers. It is an example of a real open standard versus a vendor-dictated spec that documents proprietary products via XML. ODF is about the future, Open XML is about the past. We voted for the future.


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Back on topic:

A GNU/Linux iCafe is possible. You just have to understand these things:

1) You need to have convincing power;
2) You need to be patient and willing to "TEACH" not assist;
3) You need to separate Non-Gaming PCs with Gaming PCs

So first, decide how many PCs are for non-gaming purposes and how many for gaming purposes.

Let's face it, if you are going to make gaming as your main source of income, then you need Windows XP Pro. Do not rely on WINE when you are doing business. WINE, Cedega, etc. are good for personal, family, friends use, but for public terminals, always remember, a bad consumer experience is a loss already.

Then next step, setup your non-gaming PCs to look like Windows XP, in other words use Kubuntu, so little setup for you. But if you want more freedom and loves to experiment like myself, use Ubuntu then customize it to look like Windows XP. There is more freedom with Ubuntu than Kubuntu. KDE is simply too restrictive and limited than GNOME. So you have to choose based on your own knowledge and own tech-support reliability.

Third step, install proprietary drivers and plugins FOR NOW. Example, install Adobe Flash Player instead of FLOSS, since the FLOSS flash player is still not at par with Adobe Flash Player 9.x. I've tested it recently, and your customers will be disappointed.

Always forget about the political FLOSS vs Proprietary Software. You are doing business here, so bend a little and use proprietary if need be. Once the FLOSS alternatives are stable and final, then make the switch. I read somewhere that they will be able to release the stable and final versions this year. But until then, use proprietary.

It all comes down to Customer Experience.

Then do some marketing gimmicks. Example, cheaper rates, because your investment is way much lower than if you bought Windows XP Pro.

You can also give discounts - Try it for a week for just X amount, and see how fast and better Linux is over Windows XP.

Or offer teaching sessions for free.

If they have a PC at home, then the more you have to convince them. Demo it if you have to. Then if they decide to join the GNU/Linux world, then offer your paid services - ie Setup Fees. (Now don't overcharged :p )

You can do a lot ;) I'm just waiting to get my target investment and I will open an Ubuntu iCafe here in Makati ;) have to save more though.

Oh, Im doing my own compilation and reviews of games AND ONLINE GAMES that works for GNU/Linux natively ;) Not done with it yet tho. Next part of my research is for WINE, etc.

I'm preparing to push Gaming in Ubuntu for the Philippines :p Have friends and business contacts willing to do the test run, hopefully this year, if it will work. Cafe chains ;)

[dodimar]

Using Linux for i-Cafe's is a great idea.... It's up to the owner if he wants to spend sometime to introduce the Linux system to customers or take it the easy way, use XP.

In our case here (in Bulacan), napakaraming i-Cafe's, but most of them uses illegal copies of XP, office, etc.... most of them ay parang breeding place ng mga virus (including spywares and trojans).

I don't own an i-Cafe (though I'm planning to have one in the future, more of parang student center ang plan ko...), but I am starting to familiarize myself with Linux (I'm a newbie)...

I installed Gutsy in my computer (just last week, now planning to use xfce for window manager) and tried using it more often than XP.

I am challenged on how to setup Ubuntu to look as close to XP (so that my wife can use it easily).... maybe, instead of debating about the 'risk' of having a pure Linux based i-Cafe (many tried, some succeeded, some failed), why not for those who are experienced in linux world give an 'open' helping hand for those (like me) that is not familiar (or just beginning) in the world of linux.

Knowing that there is a forum for Filipinos here in ubuntu, natuwa ako kasi mas madaling humingi ng tulong. But sometimes, it frightens me to ask because of some comments and exchange of words (to prove our point, in which they are correct in our own way).

(Some might react, please forgive me for my sentiments...)

Enough for my sentiments...

I tried Gyache, it's great, but as others have said, di pa masyado okay ung GUI... Pidgin lacks some features (webcam, audio)

afraid of using Kopete on Gnome kasi it causes 'daw' na mag-crash ang Gnome... any comments on this....

Mabuhay ang Linux community sa 'Pinas....

[loell]

I tried Gyache, it's great, but as others have said, di pa masyado okay ung GUI... Pidgin lacks some features (webcam, audio)

afraid of using Kopete on Gnome kasi it causes 'daw' na mag-crash ang Gnome... any comments on this....

Mabuhay ang Linux community sa 'Pinas....

yeah, yung current stable nang gyache ay medyo masagwa tingnan, pero rest assured to see some UI improvements on the next stable release, currently the development version ay may theme support na.

kopete will not crash in gnome, or atleast if your are using kopete stable version, medyo may konting performance slowdown nga lang kasi gagamit siya nang KDE and or QT components which is not native in gnome, same thing can be said if you use native gnome applications in KDE.

[dodimar]

Thank you po.....

Try ko bukas... Pang-gabi po kasi ako (call center).....

Newbie ako sa mundo ng linux... gusto ko matuto, sisimulan ko sa pagbabasa ng mga threads dito..... :grin:

[asuslaptop]

ang ym po ba na web-base(beta) ay na try na po ba from ubuntu?
if it will work ok,then ym problem po ay most likely solved (?).
kopete kasi as tried na ay 2way video na(clear)at 1way voice na.
If i virtual machine ba windows98 lang para mabilis ay ok naman kaya
for games?
May -play on linux -na software for ubuntu mas ok daw t
han wine,Has anyone tried?

daming tanong?:confused:

salamat po=D>

[warshak]

Wow Ilang buwan akong nawala pero buhay pa rin itong thread na 'to. :) anyway to catch up.

1.)Basic iCafe services pwedeng pwede dahil willing naman ang mga users na matuto. Improve on other non-gaming aspects(i.e. YM, skype, etc).
actual example; malapit sa school ko merong purong linux(di ko lang sure ang distro) na iCafe pinapasok pero ang primary reason dahil sa 10Php per hour nilang rate, usually mga browsers lang ang gumagamit dahil walang mga kids na naglalaro.

2.)Sa games kelangan ma-improve ang porting ng windows based games sa ubuntu(baka pwedeng i-recommend ito sa team na gumagawa ng next release ng ubuntu). Tapos spread the word sa computer shops sa paraan ng newsletters, etc.
Tapos i-encourage natin si Papa Edu na hindi lang pirated DVD ang tutukan, isali na rin ang pirated OS ng computer shops(igisa ang Microsoft sa sariling mantika kumbaga).

[icebuxs]

In terms of gaming kaya naman siguro ng wine emulator yun..:) yung DOTA ntry na namin ang disadvantage lang malalaro mo yung multiplayer pero hindi mo malalaro yong mission:)

gd day po sir, im a total newbie sa ubuntu but i find it challenging so i tried using it on my pc. npa work ko na po yung warcraft 3 using wine however,paano nyo po npa work yung lan game ninyo ng dota? kasi sinubukan ko pong makipag laro sa kaibigan ko who is using xp pero somehow ayaw mag work. nakikita nya po yung na create ko na game but di sya mkapasok..:( similar po yung problema kung nka on yung firewall ng xp. by the way po im using 8.04 na ubuntu tapos 1.21 version nung warcraft3 ko. maraming salamat po sa tulong.

[rjmdomingo2003]

@loell, gusto kong subukan yung bagong gyache. Will my Logitech Sphere/Orbit work with this?

Thanks in advance.

[yssida]

ang ym po ba na web-base(beta) ay na try na po ba from ubuntu?
if it will work ok,then ym problem po ay most likely solved (?).
kopete kasi as tried na ay 2way video na(clear)at 1way voice na.
If i virtual machine ba windows98 lang para mabilis ay ok naman kaya
for games?
May -play on linux -na software for ubuntu mas ok daw t
han wine,Has anyone tried?

daming tanong?:confused:

salamat po=D>
play on linux uses wine as a back-end

[loell]

@loell, gusto kong subukan yung bagong gyache. Will my Logitech Sphere/Orbit work with this?

Thanks in advance.

kung gumana sa previous version, malamang gagana din yun.

[kenweill]

mga ts0ng meron ba kayong nakita o napagrent-an na internet cafe/shop na ubuntu/linux OS ng mga PC? kung meron saan? saka please post niyo mga details ng cafe ex. how they run that cafe. et.al.

salamat ;)

Maria Community eCenter
Maria, Siquijor, Philippines
4 computers(1 windows used for gateway; 3 computers with Ubuntu with KDE as default manager, for customers).
-- Their problem is customers are always looking for YM. So most of their customers are only browsing, no chatting. There are some who chat using Kopete but can't use a webcam. Or voice chat. So when i got there, i teach them how to use a webcam from Kopete. Nag sample nga ako. Nag chat ako sa friends ko using webcam. Though, i don't know if voice chat is possible in Kopete. I think not.



Lazi Community eCenter
Lazi, Siquijor, Philippines
6 computers(1 Ubuntu, gateway; 5 windows machines for customers)
--i used to work in this shop before. in fact, i was the one to setup and install all OS in every computers, as i was a pioneer in that cafe.
Ubuntu with VMware installed.
Why with vmware? kasi ang unang ISP nila noon, bago dumating ang smrtbro dito, eh, satellite connection. and the only way to connect to the satelitte is by using the software designed for windows to authenticate the connection. and the program doesn't work in WINE.

CyberLazi Internet Cafe
Lazi, Siquijor, Philippines
--Now i have my own internet cafe. 7 computers. 1 serves as the gateway. All using windows, dual boot with Ubuntu 8.10. 6 computers nga lang. yung isang computer na may asrock na motherboard, ayaw gagana ang linux dun. gumagana lang siya pag gamit ang built-in na video card. nung nilagyan ko na ng video card, hanggang boot na lang. kahit sa live cd, ayaw mag run.

ang problema, YM kadalasan gamit ng user. YM with voice and video support. kahit sa WINE, ayaw gagana ang YM.
2nd problem is, online and offline games.
offline games, counter-strike source, Yuri's revenge.
Online games, MU online(private servers), Ran Online, Cabal Online.

ang mga games, ayaw mag run sa machine ko. kahit sa WINE. gumagana ang mu online sa wine pero parang napaka lag. ang bagal ng gfx.

for now, ako lang gumagamit ng Ubuntu. wla customer na gumagamit ng ubuntu. kadalasan kasi, mag games.


Meron din high school dito na may maraming PC. Lahat ng PC, Fedora ang naka install. Kaya, ang iba students, pag nakita nila ako gumagamit ng Ubuntu, sinasabi nila, "oi, Fedora yan di ba?"... then i just told them its Ubuntu.

[loell]

good movements on Siquijor :)

:mrgreen: kanang mga albolario kabalo mogamit og ubuntu? ;)

[kenweill]

good movements on Siquijor :)

:mrgreen: kanang mga albolario kabalo mogamit og ubuntu? ;)

heheheheh.....
it's not our movement.

its from National Computer Center, with CVISNET. Government.
actually, the OS installed by default was Bayanihan Linux. we changed it to Ubuntu.

[Script Warlock]

yung isa ko ring mobo ay asrock pero wala problema nilagyan ko ng pci-e na videocard kaso ginamit ko text-base install ng ubuntu 7.10 tapos pagrelease ng hardy upgrade lang ako..my icafe lahat ay ubuntu8.04 na from server to 8units workstation wala xp. at first hinahanap ang ym pero nilagyan ko ng gyachi ok na rin mga clients pero they miss the real ym pero wala magawa kc nga linux inet ko. pero natanggap na rin nila ang gyachi at enjoy sila dahil sa mga kakaibang feature...hoping na somtime this year or so on magka-voice chat na ang gyachi di halos kompleto na ang ubuntu....atleast games na lang ang kinakailangnang bigyan ng pansin ng mga game-devs...

[Script Warlock]

heheheheh.....
it's not our movement.

its from National Computer Center, with CVISNET. Government.
actually, the OS installed by default was Bayanihan Linux. we changed it to Ubuntu.galing lang akong lazi may 13-15 feista at sa bahay ako ng mayor pinatira.... hindi ka ba nanood nga concert ng freestyle at sitti nung time na yun? ako ang soundtech nila....:guitar:

i like your avatar asa na nga logo sa inyo grupo? pwede ko apil?

[kenweill]

galing lang akong lazi may 13-15 feista at sa bahay ako ng mayor pinatira.... hindi ka ba nanood nga concert ng freestyle at sitti nung time na yun? ako ang soundtech nila....:guitar:

i like your avatar asa na nga logo sa inyo grupo? pwede ko apil?

hindi ako nanood ng concert. nasa shop lang ako. actually, open ang shop ko nun. except may 15. busy. dami bisita.

tsaka, wla ako grupo. kaunti lang may alam sa linux dito. ang iba, hanggang sa theory lang alam nila. di nila alam kung paano gamitin.

[Script Warlock]

eto ang pinaka latest na version ng cafe con leche ang nilagay ko sa inet shop namin: http://www.natnit.net/warnet/fnd/644/#c http://www.esnips.com/web/CafeConLenche/

problema hindi ko maintindihan ang mga linggwahe nila parang nangangapa lang well ok naman. may konting changes lang.....sa windows di ko pa tapos sinubukan hoping later this month:guitar:

[leipogs23]

Alas I found what I been looking for. A Thread for a newbie like me na gusto magtayo ng iCafe in ubuntu. I tried 8.10 on my laptop. Then wine. Tapos nagcrash PC ko,ayaw na magboot. Parang natakot ako... Cheer me up guys!Tanks

[creek23]

A lot has been discussed sa mga earlier posts sa thread na to... read them up, discuss what specifically you wanted to do then ask. ;)

[Johnaray]

... UPDATE ko lang po.

In Paco, Manila Area in one of the computershop previously own by my friend eh nag attempt kami na mag install for 5 computers ng UBUNTU LINUX as a replacement for WINDOW$.... here is what happen...

1) Gamers are always asking for DOTA which do not run in Ubuntu also Special Forces

2) For chatters they wanted the REGULAR YM then CAM FROG

3) For some college student making a report they are still not familiar with OPEN OFFICE

In short di pa talaga familiar sa LINUX ENVIRONMENT... hayyyyyy

[creek23]

In short di pa talaga familiar sa LINUX ENVIRONMENT... hayyyyyy

Natuwa naman ako sa mahabang 'hay'. Ibig sabihin ba non, binalik sa Windows? :P

[leipogs23]

... UPDATE ko lang po.

In Paco, Manila Area in one of the computershop previously own by my friend eh nag attempt kami na mag install for 5 computers ng UBUNTU LINUX as a replacement for WINDOW$.... here is what happen...

1) Gamers are always asking for DOTA which do not run in Ubuntu also Special Forces

2) For chatters they wanted the REGULAR YM then CAM FROG

3) For some college student making a report they are still not familiar with OPEN OFFICE

In short di pa talaga familiar sa LINUX ENVIRONMENT... hayyyyyy

I'm so exited and verry happy to tell you pips...
1. Gumagana na DOTA sa PC ko. I just downloaded wine. Some configuration and thats it. Pero tnetest ko pa din xa.
2. Chatting would be a problem.hehehe. But siguro me solution pa.
3. you can make your ubuntu look like xp.hahaha. Para di halata.
4. Bout sa broken laptop ko, cguro repormat na talaga.hehehe

[leipogs23]

A lot has been discussed sa mga earlier posts sa thread na to... read them up, discuss what specifically you wanted to do then ask. ;)

Thanks po. Desidido talaga ako. Kasi I'm sure kung magkatrouble man ako. Makakakita ako solution sa google. Pag wala, I'll make my own solution. Lakasan lang ng loob to!!! I'm willing to invest for this, kahit di kumita,oks lang. Ang goal ko lang talaga e mas mapagaralan ang ubuntu and maipakilala to sa mga alipin ni BillGates.hahaha

[dhec]

isa sa mga staff ko dito sa office namin have an internet cafe that is powered by ubuntu 8.04. although tama nga maraming natatakot dun sa bagong OS nasolve namin yun using virtualbox naginstall kami nang windows xp sa loob nang ubuntu. tapos from there yun ang nakikita nang clients nya.

a very good solution kahit sa mga games napaandar namin. combination nang ideas namin at research. lahat ng gusto naming softwares napapatakbo na namin.

kung gusto nyong patulong, contact nyo kami palibot libot lang kami sa net..hehe

[dodimar]

isa sa mga staff ko dito sa office namin have an internet cafe that is powered by ubuntu 8.04. although tama nga maraming natatakot dun sa bagong OS nasolve namin yun using virtualbox naginstall kami nang windows xp sa loob nang ubuntu. tapos from there yun ang nakikita nang clients nya.

a very good solution kahit sa mga games napaandar namin. combination nang ideas namin at research. lahat ng gusto naming softwares napapatakbo na namin.

kung gusto nyong patulong, contact nyo kami palibot libot lang kami sa net..hehe

hmmmnn.. why not just remove Linux and install Windows kung install mo lang din naman Windows sa loob ng Linux?

As for me, I'm running XP as main and Linux on VMwares' cause I seldom use Linux, mostly just for experimenting and study..

[dhec]

hmmmnn.. why not just remove Linux and install Windows kung install mo lang din naman Windows sa loob ng Linux?

As for me, I'm running XP as main and Linux on VMwares' cause I seldom use Linux, mostly just for experimenting and study..

Hi Dodimar, i got your point on your suggestion, but as you have said, you seldomly use Linux on whatever purposes you may have to do with it. i wonder how much RAM does windows hogs out of your hardware when you run VMware on your windows machine.

Allow me to state some facts on why i suggested to my staff that he should change his OS's to something better. perhaps open your mind on what power lies on an open-sourced system such as Linux

first reason, Linux is much more stable compared to Windows XP..or any windows at all. well, if you think otherwise kindly prove it.

second reason, We have installed Windows XP inside Linux for those who cant handle Ubuntu or does not have any single idea how it works. we are helping the process of migration for some people who wants to experience a new kind of system.

third reason, have you tried restoring a corrupted windows back to its original state in less than a half an hour or lesser? we don't have to worry of such downtimes like those freaking viruses that affects windows OS's.

yes the possibilities are endless and the list will go on, back to the internet cafe business, we are not talking about a single pc or a personal laptop here. we are talking of merely 10 or more pc's. on a business point of view, if could find out solutions on how to cut your cost without hampering your business operations then lets hear it. lets compare things on legal ways.

[leipogs23]

Hi Dodimar, i got your point on your suggestion, but as you have said, you seldomly use Linux on whatever purposes you may have to do with it. i wonder how much RAM does windows hogs out of your hardware when you run VMware on your windows machine.

Allow me to state some facts on why i suggested to my staff that he should change his OS's to something better. perhaps open your mind on what power lies on an open-sourced system such as Linux

first reason, Linux is much more stable compared to Windows XP..or any windows at all. well, if you think otherwise kindly prove it.

second reason, We have installed Windows XP inside Linux for those who cant handle Ubuntu or does not have any single idea how it works. we are helping the process of migration for some people who wants to experience a new kind of system.

third reason, have you tried restoring a corrupted windows back to its original state in less than a half an hour or lesser? we don't have to worry of such downtimes like those freaking viruses that affects windows OS's.

yes the possibilities are endless and the list will go on, back to the internet cafe business, we are not talking about a single pc or a personal laptop here. we are talking of merely 10 or more pc's. on a business point of view, if could find out solutions on how to cut your cost without hampering your business operations then lets hear it. lets compare things on legal ways.

Sir, san po kaya shop nya? Dito ako Makati, baka pede ako makavisit.hehe

[leipogs23]

On the second tought... Mas gusto ko sana kasi 100% ubuntu. Kasi kung me XP din lang sa loob ng ubuntu,e di magxp na lang ako. Kung me ubuntu sa loob ng XP e di magubuntu na lang ako.hehehe

[dodimar]

Hi Dodimar, i got your point on your suggestion, but as you have said, you seldomly use Linux on whatever purposes you may have to do with it. i wonder how much RAM does windows hogs out of your hardware when you run VMware on your windows machine.

Allow me to state some facts on why i suggested to my staff that he should change his OS's to something better. perhaps open your mind on what power lies on an open-sourced system such as Linux

first reason, Linux is much more stable compared to Windows XP..or any windows at all. well, if you think otherwise kindly prove it.

second reason, We have installed Windows XP inside Linux for those who cant handle Ubuntu or does not have any single idea how it works. we are helping the process of migration for some people who wants to experience a new kind of system.

third reason, have you tried restoring a corrupted windows back to its original state in less than a half an hour or lesser? we don't have to worry of such downtimes like those freaking viruses that affects windows OS's.

yes the possibilities are endless and the list will go on, back to the internet cafe business, we are not talking about a single pc or a personal laptop here. we are talking of merely 10 or more pc's. on a business point of view, if could find out solutions on how to cut your cost without hampering your business operations then lets hear it. lets compare things on legal ways.

I was able to run Ubuntu server, Ubuntu Desktop, 2 Windows XP all at the same time with 1 GB of RAM (I upgraded to 2GB lately so I could also run Vista).

I am not in the i-cafe business so I might not have a say here. ):P

[dodimar]

On the second tought... Mas gusto ko sana kasi 100% ubuntu. Kasi kung me XP din lang sa loob ng ubuntu,e di magxp na lang ako. Kung me ubuntu sa loob ng XP e di magubuntu na lang ako.hehehe

The main reason why I have ubuntu inside XP is that, kesa bumili ako o gumawa ng 3 unit ng computer para sa pag-aaral ko ng networking,, virtual machines na lang ginamit ko.. tipid sa hardware at sa kuryente..

[creek23]

I'm mostly anti-proprietary software, but I want to defend Windows for this post. I am pro-free software but I also use proprietary ones -- necessary evil, they say.


first reason, Linux is much more stable compared to Windows XP..or any windows at all. well, if you think otherwise kindly prove it.
That is case-to-case basis. If what you say is true, then millions of Windows users should have already moved to other 'more' stable OS.


Internet surfers don't need high end OS. Windows fit their need if it's even true that GNU/Linux is 'more' stable
Games (in general) are made to be more-stable for Windows, which tend to be problematic in other OS when run under emulators (WINE).
Hardware support is all around Windows -- which is the primary problem for free OS (which is why we (FOSS community) really need to push free OS to general market so hardware vendors will provide drivers for free OS)
Most virus today can easily be avoided (make a AUTORUN.INF folder, make NOTEPAD the default EXE for .VBS and .BAT)



second reason, We have installed Windows XP inside Linux for those who cant handle Ubuntu or does not have any single idea how it works.
Suggestions:

if customer is net-surfer, run the browser by default
if customer is gamer, show a folder with all games-shortcut
better yet, fake the UI (use XP theme, rename all applications, change icons)
if you have the time, assist a customer or two.



we are helping the process of migration for some people who wants to experience a new kind of system.
It's nice that you do, but I doubt you did. They will be more alienated by seeing two desktops (Ubuntu and the emulated Windows) -- unless the emulated one was full-screened.


third reason, have you tried restoring a corrupted windows back to its original state in less than a half an hour or lesser?
I surely did many times.

Ever tried restoring a corrupted GNU/Linux server (a heavy duty server for more than 200 workstations) in less than 3 days? We have to upgrade the whole unit from motherboard to RAM and have to find drivers for the newly installed hardwares.


we don't have to worry of such downtimes like those freaking viruses that affects windows OS's.

...if the OS is emulated, then the virus will also be emulated. Will it? Or am I missing something here?


we are not talking about a single pc or a personal laptop here. we are talking of merely 10 or more pc's. on a business point of view, if could find out solutions on how to cut your cost without hampering your business operations then lets hear it. lets compare things on legal ways.

If you have Windows to emulate (and we're talking 'legal') it's okay for you to install it in one computer as what the EULA says.

But having an emulated Windows on 10 or more PC is something fishy.... If all those are 10 or more different licenses, just install and use it. Otherwise, it's obvious that you are just trying to cover-up an illegal activity of using unauthorized copies of Windows.


if could find out solutions on how to cut your cost without hampering your business operations then lets hear it


Use free OS all the way -- costs cut, but it might cause business problem of unwilling customers to use them.
Use authorized copies of proprietary OS that customers are used to -- costs rise up, but customers will surely come.


With our current global situation, you can never have the advantage of both OS -- legally speaking. Not until free OS are use in schools, at work, and in everyones homes.

It's like you are asking, how to get rich in business without spending a dime... even whores spend their dignity to make a living.

Best tip I can give you in business: "Lose something to gain something; it's why they call it trade"

[dodimar]

+1 to creek23

[loell]

si boyet, ubuntu din gamit nya sa icafe business nya.

'yet.. anong masasabi mo dyan? profitable ka pa rin ba? #-o

[leipogs23]

Anu ba yan. Comparison na naman. Endless naman talaga ang debate sa Linux and Windows. Parang ano nauna,itlog o manok.hehehe

[Script Warlock]

very profitable, before you proceed sa planong icafe you first study the area na pagtatayaon mo ng shop then observe ka rin sa magiging audience mo at mga gusto nila. my shop turns into an educational hub ng mga estudyante at mga magulang na mahilig ng chatting. kailangan lang talaga alagaan mo sila ng husto at turuan ng paggamit ng OS na to, nakakapanibago para sa mga click and play lang na customer. at dami ko libre services kape at mga pikapika sa mga umaabot ng 2hrs. ngayong summer libre din juice(ice tea or 4season) at biskit sa hapon...at syempre panatiliing malinis ang shop loob at labas....

walang sawa kong sinuportahan 100% ang mga clients ko in anyway i can para lang magklik ang ubuntu na icafe ko and it pays my effort....

sa simula i only got 1unit of printer cx5500 at ngayon isang cx5500 isang ip1000, isang c45 at isang hp HP Photosmart C5180...

ala nga lang akong pc games but i plan to dl games that works out of the box with linux bka next week kc nga summertime dagdag kita din.

if we talk about figures i only got 2k-3k/day sa 8units ko(not bad for me as starter)... and i was planning to have a mobile icafe instead of expansion sa shop, God willing. bibili or pagawa ako ng container van na paglalagyan ng 10 or 20units of pc's at ongoing pa ang talking to pldt and smartbro. it's like a mobile command center(die hard 4? hahhaha) and of course ubuntu pa rin ang gagamitin ko.

kung magkaproblema ako regarding sa ubuntu etong forum ang always open for help ..

i'm open 7am to 3am in the morning....

[leipogs23]

very profitable, before you proceed sa planong icafe you first study the area na pagtatayaon mo ng shop then observe ka rin sa magiging audience mo at mga gusto nila. my shop turns into an educational hub ng mga estudyante at mga magulang na mahilig ng chatting. kailangan lang talaga alagaan mo sila ng husto at turuan ng paggamit ng OS na to, nakakapanibago para sa mga click and play lang na customer. at dami ko libre services kape at mga pikapika sa mga umaabot ng 2hrs. ngayong summer libre din juice(ice tea or 4season) at biskit sa hapon...at syempre panatiliing malinis ang shop loob at labas....

walang sawa kong sinuportahan 100% ang mga clients ko in anyway i can para lang magklik ang ubuntu na icafe ko and it pays my effort....

sa simula i only got 1unit of printer cx5500 at ngayon isang cx5500 isang ip1000, isang c45 at isang hp HP Photosmart C5180...

ala nga lang akong pc games but i plan to dl games that works out of the box with linux bka next week kc nga summertime dagdag kita din.

if we talk about figures i only got 2k-3k/day sa 8units ko(not bad for me as starter)... and i was planning to have a mobile icafe instead of expansion sa shop, God willing. bibili or pagawa ako ng container van na paglalagyan ng 10 or 20units of pc's at ongoing pa ang talking to pldt and smartbro. it's like a mobile command center(die hard 4? hahhaha) and of course ubuntu pa rin ang gagamitin ko.

kung magkaproblema ako regarding sa ubuntu etong forum ang always open for help ..

i'm open 7am to 3am in the morning....

Salamatpo sir boyrt sa napakauplifting na post. Nainspire tuloy ako lalo. This Sat hopully makuha ko na yun 10 pc ko(kulang pa 25K pera ko kaya di ko makuha. Sama ako sa jautry party para mas madami pa ako matutunan. Abot na abot sa release ng 9.04 para dun ko na start iCafe ko. Thanks po!!!

[leipogs23]

Eto po yung list ko ng mga kelangan ko sa iCafe. Paupdate naman po kung tingin nyo me kulang pa. Thanks!!!
1. 10 PC
2. router
3. lan cable
4. smartbro enterprise (3,200 plan para me internet hosting)
5. Ubuntu 9.04 desktop CD installer
6. Ubuntu 9.04 server CD installer
7. wubi???
8. wine installer
9. samba installer
10. games installer (dota etc.)
11. 3 in 1 printer

[creek23]

kailangan lang talaga alagaan mo sila ng husto at turuan ng paggamit ng OS na to, nakakapanibago para sa mga click and play lang na customer.

Dapat may 10 commandments para sa mga papasok sa internet house business, at eto ung number 1. ;)


at dami ko libre services kape at mga pikapika sa mga umaabot ng 2hrs. ngayong summer libre din juice(ice tea or 4season) at biskit sa hapon...

Okay tong strategy na to ah... foods. Kasi ung iba (not necessarily Ubuntu-driven cafes) free 1 hour for 9 hours of gaming/surfing.

More power sa business mo!

[creek23]

Eto po yung list ko ng mga kelangan ko sa iCafe. Paupdate naman po kung tingin nyo me kulang pa. Thanks!!!
1. 10 PC
11. 3 in 1 printer

Make sure you pick the hardware na may driver for GNU/Linux. Para iwas hassle. ;)


6. Ubuntu 9.04 server CD installer

Server CD? With all the extras like Apache, Tomcat, server-side scripting languages (PHP, Perl, Ruby), not to mention clustering, networking and virtualization. IMO, basically, pang heavy-duty server ito like 'web servers' eh.

Suggestion ko, use desktop CD for your server na lang din.


7. wubi???

Yung WUBI, nasa Ubuntu installer na. ...pero teka, ang WUBI nai-install lang sa loob ng isang Windows installation. Lalagyan mo ba ng Windows lahat ng 10 PC mo? then saka mo lalagay yung Ubuntu?


10. games installer (dota etc.)

Err, anu na naman ba reason mo bat ka gagamit ng Ubuntu? For legality's sake ba? umm... baka madali ka sa WarCraft mo... :|

[creek23]

Anu ba yan. Comparison na naman. Endless naman talaga ang debate sa Linux and Windows. Parang ano nauna,itlog o manok.hehehe

Hindi naman... :D

I'm just trying to point out in a neutral point of view. (nahawaan ata ako ni kuya Jerome ;))

[Script Warlock]

i suggest not to use the 3in1 na printer kc kung sira ang isa damay lahat mas ok kung separate lang tapos kung pwede lang hp ang gamitin mo tagal na suported ng hp ang ubuntu. kung games runs in wine patulong ka talaga sa mga wine geeks para no problemo...

icafe timer pwede CCL or CBR or gbilling or papel at lapis:KS

[leipogs23]

Make sure you pick the hardware na may driver for GNU/Linux. Para iwas hassle. ;)

Hu?! Pano ko po malalaman yun???



Server CD? With all the extras like Apache, Tomcat, server-side scripting languages (PHP, Perl, Ruby), not to mention clustering, networking and virtualization. IMO, basically, pang heavy-duty server ito like 'web servers' eh.

Suggestion ko, use desktop CD for your server na lang din.


Hehehe. Kelangan ko po kasi gagawa ako ng website para sa future company ko.hehehe. Kaya din po smart bro na me webhosting ang iavail ko.hehehe



Yung WUBI, nasa Ubuntu installer na. ...pero teka, ang WUBI nai-install lang sa loob ng isang Windows installation. Lalagyan mo ba ng Windows lahat ng 10 PC mo? then saka mo lalagay yung Ubuntu?

Para pong iniisip ko pa din po kung lagyan ko pa ng Windows. Pero 99% na ng isip ko e pure Ubuntu..



Err, anu na naman ba reason mo bat ka gagamit ng Ubuntu? For legality's sake ba? umm... baka madali ka sa WarCraft mo... :

Di po. Gustu ko talaga matuto ng ubuntu. Mas maggogrow kasi ako dito kesa sa Windows. Naku naku, di po earnings ang primary goal ko. Nakatira po ako sa Brgy. Harasan, town of Indang. Its a remote part of Cavite. Dun po ako magtatayo. Ala linya telephone samen kaya din po smart bro.hehehe. Ang goal ko po e 10 pesos per hr. E kung maavail ako ng Windows baka mabankrupt naman ako. Kaya dobol purpose po, makakatulong na ko through cheap internet, matututo pa ko. As a programmer, gusto ko pa po talaga matuto.hehehe

[leipogs23]

i suggest not to use the 3in1 na printer kc kung sira ang isa damay lahat mas ok kung separate lang tapos kung pwede lang hp ang gamitin mo tagal na suported ng hp ang ubuntu. kung games runs in wine patulong ka talaga sa mga wine geeks para no problemo...

icafe timer pwede CCL or CBR or gbilling or papel at lapis:KS

Ganun po ba? Sige po, individual na lang bilin ko. Buti po at di pa ko nakakabili. Thanks po sir boyet.

ZenCafe po sana gamitin ko.hehe. Pero tignan ko din po ung nasa list nyo.

[Script Warlock]

if you want to see my i cafe type this temp pub ip 122.2.238.150/zm tapos guest guest lang...abala ang mga bata sa mu at friendster

[loell]

daming pumasok @ 14:27:20.. :)

punong-puno heheh..

[dhec]

The main reason why I have ubuntu inside XP is that, kesa bumili ako o gumawa ng 3 unit ng computer para sa pag-aaral ko ng networking,, virtual machines na lang ginamit ko.. tipid sa hardware at sa kuryente..

Exactly, Virtual Machine or VMWare can ease up doing some experiments and stuff. if you are into networking why not try packet tracer. its a virtual networking tool we use here at the office so that we could easily look for some problems before we go on to deployment. cheers!

[leipogs23]

Exactly, Virtual Machine or VMWare can ease up doing some experiments and stuff. if you are into networking why not try packet tracer. its a virtual networking tool we use here at the office so that we could easily look for some problems before we go on to deployment. cheers!

Libre ba un packet tracer??

[dodimar]

Exactly, Virtual Machine or VMWare can ease up doing some experiments and stuff. if you are into networking why not try packet tracer. its a virtual networking tool we use here at the office so that we could easily look for some problems before we go on to deployment. cheers!

Hahaha,, I also have that,,, it is not free,, pero yung pamangkin ko na nag-aaral sa AICS ay meron silang free copy (may CISCO sila kuno). and I am using that for logical and physical lay-outing ng network... (puro mga fictitious na network,, hehe)..

for hardware,, printers yung number one mong tingnan,, make sure na ang bibilin mo is working sa Linux.

if you are planning to use an internet cafe timer, I am not sure kung merong gagana sa windos and linux ng sabay.. you might want to stick to one OS pag ganun (you might want to check www.ulop.net for good timers, member dyan si boss boyet)..

If you want to make a website for your company, get a hosting package, sakit sa ulo mag maintain ng sariling webserver... if you want ,, www.freehostia.net offers bannerless free hosting (with support sa mga CMS like wordpress, joomla, etc..) then just buy a domain name (around 600 pesos lang),, and then sign up for google apps (yan ginawa ko,, free hosting, buy domain, then google apps)..

[leipogs23]

If you want to make a website for your company, get a hosting package, sakit sa ulo mag maintain ng sariling webserver... if you want ,, www.freehostia.net offers bannerless free hosting (with support sa mga CMS like wordpress, joomla, etc..) then just buy a domain name (around 600 pesos lang),, and then sign up for google apps (yan ginawa ko,, free hosting, buy domain, then google apps)..

Hahaha. Yun po gusto ko. Sumakit ang ulo.hehehe. Now po, me dinedevelop ako website in our company server kaya me konti na ko alam.hehe. San po kayo bumili ng domain? .ph?

[dodimar]

Hahaha. Yun po gusto ko. Sumakit ang ulo.hehehe. Now po, me dinedevelop ako website in our company server kaya me konti na ko alam.hehe. San po kayo bumili ng domain? .ph?

hehehe.. .com lang (www.marvincruz.com).. bought it from marvinsweb.net (nagkataon lang magkapangalan kami, pinoy kasi may ari kaya no need for credi cards)..

hehehe.. plan ko din minsan gumawa ng server, pero hindi webserver, file and proxy server gagawin ko.. hehehe..

[Script Warlock]

good timer for M$ na timplang pinoy http://crossnodes.sytes.net/

gbilling is fine for linux and M$ pero tunog indo ang language di pa kc nila nainterpret in ingles....

zencafe just for timer?
good combination is ubuntu + CCL timer no worry were going to help you for this

[dhec]

I'm mostly anti-proprietary software, but I want to defend Windows for this post. I am pro-free software but I also use proprietary ones -- necessary evil, they say.

Allow me to express my rebuttal(or comments) on some of the facts i have raised yesterday, first of all i'm not here to instigate or force someone to use linux platforms instead of windows, everyone has freedom of choosing something for himself. in some circumstances, i use(against my will, lol) windows (servers) as you have said youself that it is a 'necessary evil' that we have live with. i couldn't agree more that there is nothing that could surpass MS Exchange when it comes to email server nowadays(yet).



That is case-to-case basis. If what you say is true, then millions of Windows users should have already moved to other 'more' stable OS.


Ok, talking about statistics, how many tech savvy filipinos are we talking about knows that there is far more better OS's exist. handful perhaps? no one advocates Linux apart from those people who have the guts to use it. Lets put this things the other way, let say the linux development/revolution was made before microsoft(unix was made in the 1960's)do you think the world today would be using windows instead of linux? or better yet, just recently, IBM, microsoft's partner for a very long time have choosen to run linux on their production servers market.




Internet surfers don't need high end OS. Windows fit their need if it's even true that GNU/Linux is 'more' stable

Yes i agree that Internet surfers don't need high end OS's, customers rarely don't even care what you give them, as long as it works and you can open up a browser and go to their favorite website, problem solved! Using a cost benefit OS's does have an impact on your business.



Games (in general) are made to be more-stable for Windows, which tend to be problematic in other OS when run under emulators (WINE).


much of the sought after games nowadays supports running on Linux platform and emulators. add to that, it will be much fun to solve problems such as these gaming softwares run on Linux platforms, it makes the gray matter light up.



Hardware support is all around Windows -- which is the primary problem for free OS (which is why we (FOSS community) really need to push free OS to general market so hardware vendors will provide drivers for free OS)


I agree with the problem, but then again, siting my reasons on my second comment above. what if Linux or better yet Unix was made more user friendly then? it all depends on what you see its whats on the back is important.



Most virus today can easily be avoided (make a AUTORUN.INF folder, make NOTEPAD the default EXE for .VBS and .BAT)


i cant agree on this, you're talking micro. face it there is a lot bigger picture of viruses lurking around the internet these days. i just wonder how much it cost you to buy licenses for your anti-virus software and keep it updated. add to that the patches that came too late.




It's nice that you do, but I doubt you did. They will be more alienated by seeing two desktops (Ubuntu and the emulated Windows) -- unless the emulated one was full-screened.

I surely did many times.


Yes we have managed to run the emulated Windows full-screen. no one thinks that there is Linux on the back unless we show them. in fact, some are amazed how it can possibly be.



Ever tried restoring a corrupted GNU/Linux server (a heavy duty server for more than 200 workstations) in less than 3 days? We have to upgrade the whole unit from motherboard to RAM and have to find drivers for the newly installed hardwares.


from the sounds of it you made a very big mistake there, you have 200 workstations for your server but never considered the word 'Redundancy'. Does 'Disk Mirror' or 'RAID' rang any bells? i bet your company lost a lot for that 3 days downtime. totally unacceptable.




...if the OS is emulated, then the virus will also be emulated. Will it? Or am I missing something here?


yes indeed, i'm delighted with the logic. but there is something beyond the lines of emulation. i'm sorry but i cant elaborate more, its better to find it for yourself. where is the thrill of seeking what you haven't known before.



If you have Windows to emulate (and we're talking 'legal') it's okay for you to install it in one computer as what the EULA says.

But having an emulated Windows on 10 or more PC is something fishy.... If all those are 10 or more different licenses, just install and use it. Otherwise, it's obvious that you are just trying to cover-up an illegal activity of using unauthorized copies of Windows.


am i hearing this right?, is this a provocative implication that you have accused us that we are using illegal software? fine, i have to tell you that we are using licensed OEM's and Licensed Windows XP. have you read the EULA and perhaps add the GNU Public License too. if you could find the loophole then the beers are on me.



Use free OS all the way -- costs cut, but it might cause business problem of unwilling customers to use them.


you have assumed blindly my friend.



Use authorized copies of proprietary OS that customers are used to -- costs rise up, but customers will surely come.


ditto..



With our current global situation, you can never have the advantage of both OS -- legally speaking. Not until free OS are use in schools, at work, and in everyones homes.


hmmn..have you been elsewhere?, i mean outside the country perhaps to some prestigious schools like Standford, MIT or even Harvard. At work? have you visited some ISP's lately? homes..yes i could probably agree on some. look around my friend, your perspective is quite thin really.



It's like you are asking, how to get rich in business without spending a dime... even whores spend their dignity to make a living.


i never said anything that someone should be running a business without spending a dime or a damn devalued peso. have you heard about cost-benefit analysis? look for it, read it and try it in your business, if you have one. running a business is about profit, you never get into a business to loose. for pete's sake! even Ubuntu earns from giving support!



Best tip I can give you in business: "Lose something to gain something; it's why they call it trade"


this time i could agree, i have lost a lot of time arguing about this things, but then again i have gained wisdom and learned that i my hand are sore for typing sensible things for the benefit of others. now i rest my hands..

[dhec]

Hahaha,, I also have that,,, it is not free,, pero yung pamangkin ko na nag-aaral sa AICS ay meron silang free copy (may CISCO sila kuno). and I am using that for logical and physical lay-outing ng network... (puro mga fictitious na network,, hehe)..

for hardware,, printers yung number one mong tingnan,, make sure na ang bibilin mo is working sa Linux.

if you are planning to use an internet cafe timer, I am not sure kung merong gagana sa windos and linux ng sabay.. you might want to stick to one OS pag ganun (you might want to check www.ulop.net for good timers, member dyan si boss boyet)..

If you want to make a website for your company, get a hosting package, sakit sa ulo mag maintain ng sariling webserver... if you want ,, www.freehostia.net offers bannerless free hosting (with support sa mga CMS like wordpress, joomla, etc..) then just buy a domain name (around 600 pesos lang),, and then sign up for google apps (yan ginawa ko,, free hosting, buy domain, then google apps)..

yup, actually meron ako dati yung luma pa. nung nag cisco ako, binigyan lang ako nung bagong version nung OJT's ko sa office. it better to keep your skills sharp ika nga. tapos ginagamit ko ding pang simulate nang situation kasi multinational ang minimaintain kong servers.

Cheers!

[leipogs23]

good timer for M$ na timplang pinoy http://crossnodes.sytes.net/

gbilling is fine for linux and M$ pero tunog indo ang language di pa kc nila nainterpret in ingles....

zencafe just for timer?
good combination is ubuntu + CCL timer no worry were going to help you for this

Sige po try ko din CCL. Un po ba un con leche??

[dhec]

Hahaha. Yun po gusto ko. Sumakit ang ulo.hehehe. Now po, me dinedevelop ako website in our company server kaya me konti na ko alam.hehe. San po kayo bumili ng domain? .ph?

suggestion lang ha. lam mo bang mas mahal ang .ph kesa sa top-level domain like .com?

;)

[leipogs23]

Hay naku. Pundido na ko sa mga debate sa Windows at Linux.hehehe.
Wag na tayo magtalotalo. Ubuntu forum to!!!hehehe

[dhec]

Hay naku. Pundido na ko sa mga debate sa Windows at Linux.hehehe.
Wag na tayo magtalotalo. Ubuntu forum to!!!hehehe

sakit na kamay ko. ayoko na rin..:lolflag:

[dodimar]

suggestion lang ha. lam mo bang mas mahal ang .ph kesa sa top-level domain like .com?

;)

yeah... a .ph domain is more that 1 thousand pesos.. you can get a .com domain fro 200+..

[creek23]

Hay naku. Pundido na ko sa mga debate sa Windows at Linux.hehehe.
Wag na tayo magtalotalo. Ubuntu forum to!!!hehehe
sakit na kamay ko. ayoko na rin..:lolflag:

Ahahaha!!!

I just want to clear my stand in that so called 'debate':
If you have already have authorized copies of Windows, it's pretty obvious that you really have to use it -- sayang naman yung nagastos mo dun di ba?

Otherwise, then you have to conduct CBA where free OS is an obvious option.

What's disturbing is, "bakit ka mag-iinstall ng Windows sa loob ng free OS?" -- para ma emulate ung games? kung ganon? san mang-gagaling yung ii-install na Windows? Kung licensed copy yun na nabili mo na earlier, bat ka pa gagamit ng free OS kung gumastos ka na for copies of Windows?

----


let say the linux development/revolution was made before microsoft(unix was made in the 1960's)do you think the world today would be using windows instead of linux?

Nobody could tell. Mac was there before Windows did, but it didn't turn out well for Apple.

Reality check? We can't change the history.


just recently, IBM, microsoft's partner for a very long time have choosen to run linux on their production servers market.

IBM had their reasons -- don't assume too much.


much of the sought after games nowadays supports running on Linux platform and emulators. add to that, it will be much fun to solve problems such as these gaming softwares run on Linux platforms, it makes the gray matter light up.

...

what if Linux or better yet Unix was made more user friendly then?

IF ONLY free OS is the mass-used OS:

there's no need to push hardware manufacturers to support free OS
game developers will produce games that works out-of-the-box for free OS


But then again? It's not.

That's why FOSS community keep pushing and pushing a common advocacy.


i cant agree on this, you're talking micro. face it there is a lot bigger picture of viruses lurking around the internet these days. i just wonder how much it cost you to buy licenses for your anti-virus software and keep it updated. add to that the patches that came too late. My work-PC uses XP with firewall down and using only ClamWin AV.

Yes, I get virus once in a while (when someone else use it) but nothing serious. Now, where's that lurking virus? Can't see it; can't feel it.


from the sounds of it you made a very big mistake there, you have 200 workstations for your server but never considered the word 'Redundancy'. Does 'Disk Mirror' or 'RAID' rang any bells? i bet your company lost a lot for that 3 days downtime. totally unacceptable.

EXACTLY! If only working hardware drivers are common to the free OS world!

BTW, there was no problem with the hard disks.


yes indeed, i'm delighted with the logic. but there is something beyond the lines of emulation. i'm sorry but i cant elaborate more, its better to find it for yourself. where is the thrill of seeking what you haven't known before.
...

have you read the EULA and perhaps add the GNU Public License too. if you could find the loophole then the beers are on me.
...

you have assumed blindly my friend.
...
ditto..

Huh?!?

If I'm really missing a point, why don't you be friendly enough to clearly state what that is than playing "I know something you don't".


some prestigious schools like Standford, MIT or even Harvard. At work? have you visited some ISP's lately? homes..yes i could probably agree on some. look around my friend, your perspective is quite thin really.


Does your i-cafe customers use them even before they came to your shop?
Ever read this link (http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41291/140/)? Where there's only 0.83% of people using free OS.


look around my friend, your perspective is quite off to making a profitable i-cafe really.

[kikoman]

Like if the i-cafe business is profitable. I used to own one, i sold it.

But Openoffice is profitable. Im confident that majority of i-cafe uses Openoffice or at least they have installed it in their workstations.

[dodimar]

It will only boil down to one point, use what is effective for you... I Cafe is a business... kailangan mo kumita.. kung kaya mo kumita sa open source, go,, kung talagang hindi kaya,, e di mag Windows ka (maalala ko nga pala, EOL na nga pala ang XP)...

[loell]

notice to the public:

This is an inquiry thread.

control your argumentative tendencies..

[leipogs23]

suggestion lang ha. lam mo bang mas mahal ang .ph kesa sa top-level domain like .com?

;)

Opo lam ko yun. Kasi .ph gamit namin sa company. 1600 ata ang halaga. Well,pagisipan ko pa po muna. 3 years pa naman bago ko cmulan company ko. Software busimess po. Sa pagreresearch ko kasi,nalaman ko, mas ok pala na ipromote na yung solution mo,before even finishing the whole project. Kaya mauuna nag website.hehehehe

[leipogs23]

Ahahaha!!!

I just want to clear my stand in that so called 'debate':
If you have already have authorized copies of Windows, it's pretty obvious that you really have to use it -- sayang naman yung nagastos mo dun di ba?

Otherwise, then you have to conduct CBA where free OS is an obvious option.

What's disturbing is, "bakit ka mag-iinstall ng Windows sa loob ng free OS?" -- para ma emulate ung games? kung ganon? san mang-gagaling yung ii-install na Windows? Kung licensed copy yun na nabili mo na earlier, bat ka pa gagamit ng free OS kung gumastos ka na for copies of Windows?

----



Nobody could tell. Mac was there before Windows did, but it didn't turn out well for Apple.

Reality check? We can't change the history.



IBM had their reasons -- don't assume too much.



IF ONLY free OS is the mass-used OS:

there's no need to push hardware manufacturers to support free OS
game developers will produce games that works out-of-the-box for free OS


But then again? It's not.

That's why FOSS community keep pushing and pushing a common advocacy.

My work-PC uses XP with firewall down and using only ClamWin AV.

Yes, I get virus once in a while (when someone else use it) but nothing serious. Now, where's that lurking virus? Can't see it; can't feel it.



EXACTLY! If only working hardware drivers are common to the free OS world!

BTW, there was no problem with the hard disks.



Huh?!?

If I'm really missing a point, why don't you be friendly enough to clearly state what that is than playing "I know something you don't".




Does your i-cafe customers use them even before they came to your shop?
Ever read this link (http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41291/140/)? Where there's only 0.83% of people using free OS.


look around my friend, your perspective is quite off to making a profitable i-cafe really.

Hay naku. Ayaw nyo tumigil ha???

The bottom line is. Ubuntu/Linux/or any other free OS gives the better value for your money. Kasi ala ka talaga babayaran. In terms of users. We dont have to debate kasi madami at patuloy pang dadami ang Windows users. Kasi instinct na ng tao ang maging skeptical when talking about changing what is the usual. Sa tingin ko, ang pagiging iba sa nakararami is a positive trait. It means your brave and can stand to your own decisions. Its not mainly a talk of "Which is Better" but making one the best for you....hah hah hah(pagod) Uggggh (nosebleed)

[leipogs23]

It will only boil down to one point, use what is effective for you... I Cafe is a business... kailangan mo kumita.. kung kaya mo kumita sa open source, go,, kung talagang hindi kaya,, e di mag Windows ka (maalala ko nga pala, EOL na nga pala ang XP)...

Thanks dodimar for the wonderful advice. Opo paceout na xa. Well in terms of business na kumikita. I'll think about that in my future company. Pero sa iCafe ko, siguro for the benefit of Ubuntu and the Filipino people. Vote leipogs for president.hahaha

[leipogs23]

Any ways. Ano po pinaka compatible na web cam sa Ubuntu? Thanks po

[Script Warlock]

a4tech

[dhec]

Opo lam ko yun. Kasi .ph gamit namin sa company. 1600 ata ang halaga. Well,pagisipan ko pa po muna. 3 years pa naman bago ko cmulan company ko. Software busimess po. Sa pagreresearch ko kasi,nalaman ko, mas ok pala na ipromote na yung solution mo,before even finishing the whole project. Kaya mauuna nag website.hehehehe

Correct, have you heard of sourceforge? http://www.sourceforge.net actually my team (my office staff) is planning to create a collaborative company sometime soon(myself included). side-project lang, kung maging syang full-blown edi masaya. you may want to join us sometime in the future. no string attached to, we only do things by project basis. kanya-kanya din kasi kami nang expertise. our aim is collaboratively focus on the every project to get it done, team play. medyo rough pa yung plan pero its ongoing. it will also include our laboratory experiments and proven solutions on multi-system integrations.
if you dont mind me asking what kind programming languages are you into?
:D

[dhec]

a4tech

indeed!
:D used it, loved it..

[leipogs23]

a4tech

Mga how much po isa? Mas ok po ba na konti lang webcam? Or lahat dapat meron? Ilan po ideal for 10 pC?

[leipogs23]

Correct, have you heard of sourceforge? http://www.sourceforge.net actually my team (my office staff) is planning to create a collaborative company sometime soon(myself included). side-project lang, kung maging syang full-blown edi masaya. you may want to join us sometime in the future. no string attached to, we only do things by project basis. kanya-kanya din kasi kami nang expertise. our aim is collaboratively focus on the every project to get it done, team play. medyo rough pa yung plan pero its ongoing. it will also include our laboratory experiments and proven solutions on multi-system integrations.
if you dont mind me asking what kind programming languages are you into?
:D

Ang main language ko po e LISP.hahaha. Malamang me magreact.hehehe

Pero marunong din po ako ng C++ konti.

In web po php

[leipogs23]

Eto po yung list ko ng mga kelangan ko sa iCafe. Paupdate naman po kung tingin nyo me kulang pa. Thanks!!!
1. 10 PC
2. router
3. lan cable
4. smartbro enterprise (3,200 plan para me internet hosting)
5. Ubuntu 9.04 desktop CD installer
6. Ubuntu 9.04 server CD installer
x 7. wubi???
8. wine installer
9. samba installer
10. games installer (dota etc.)
x 11. 3 in 1 printer
11. printer
12. scanner
13. xerox


Mga bossing. Complete na ba to? Pede na ko magstart???

[dodimar]

bakit di ka mag wired DSL na business plan?

if you are planning webhosting.. sisirain ka ng wireless...

[leipogs23]

bakit di ka mag wired DSL na business plan?

if you are planning webhosting.. sisirain ka ng wireless...

Ahehe. Di po ba, remote un Barangay namin sa Cavite. Ala po line ng telephone kaya brodband lang pede. Kaya din po gusto ko magtayo iCafe para makatulong.hehehe

[dodimar]

Ahehe. Di po ba, remote un Barangay namin sa Cavite. Ala po line ng telephone kaya brodband lang pede. Kaya din po gusto ko magtayo iCafe para makatulong.hehehe

ah... hehehe... sige... kung walang available line... smartbro ka na...

[loell]

1. 10 PC
2. router kailangan 10 lan ports or kung hindi ( switch + router )
3. lan cable
4. smartbro enterprise (3,200 plan para me internet hosting)
5. Ubuntu 9.04 desktop CD installer
11. printer
12. scanner
13. xerox


these are optionals

6. Ubuntu 9.04 server CD installer - not a primary requirement.
x 7. wubi???
8. wine installer - not an installer, you can donwload this later.
9. samba installer - not an installer, download or setup this later.
10. games installer (dota etc.) - carefully selected games that would run in wine, or the natives ones, again, game setups should come later.

[daxumaming]

1. 10 PC
2. router kailangan 10 lan ports or kung hindi ( switch + router )

err, kulang ka ng isang port - for the smartbro connection.
just my 2 cents, i'd buy a 4-port wireless (para na rin sa mga magdadala ng laptop) and an 8/16 port switch. kasi mas practical kung hiwalay ang router sa switch e,mahal kasi ang 16-port router.


11. printer
12. scanner
13. xerox

pwede rin ung HP PSC printers (3-in-1 sya), un nga lang, pag nasira, parang 3 rin nasira mo.heheh.

[loell]

err, kulang ka ng isang port - for the smartbro connection.

walang discount? haha





pwede rin ung HP PSC printers (3-in-1 sya), un nga lang, pag nasira, parang 3 rin nasira mo.heheh.
the original item was 3 in 1, kaya sabi rin ni boyet, hiwa-hiwalay mas mabuti. :)

[daxumaming]

the original item was 3 in 1, kaya sabi rin ni boyet, hiwa-hiwalay mas mabuti.

pero if i think it through, maganda ring me 3-in-1 as backup, in case one of the 3 fails him.

as for the xerox machine, wow, that's a big investment. it ain't cheap as compared to the other hardware. ok lang kung brand new, pero kung 2nd hand... tsk! tsk! maintenance magpapasakit ng ulo.

[_duncan_]

Mga bossing. Complete na ba to? Pede na ko magstart???

If you are doing this for budgeting / feasibility study purposes, better to factor in cost of chairs/tables/fixtures as well. Maybe aircon also?

[dodimar]

pero if i think it through, maganda ring me 3-in-1 as backup, in case one of the 3 fails him.

as for the xerox machine, wow, that's a big investment. it ain't cheap as compared to the other hardware. ok lang kung brand new, pero kung 2nd hand... tsk! tsk! maintenance magpapasakit ng ulo.

mas maganda kung hiwa-hiwalay.. tapos yung printer is continuous ink system...

[jepong]

Ahehe. Di po ba, remote un Barangay namin sa Cavite. Ala po line ng telephone kaya brodband lang pede. Kaya din po gusto ko magtayo iCafe para makatulong.hehehe

ganda 'tong idea mo since remote area kayo. ma-educate mag-linux community mo.

[jepong]

mga boss tanong lang po... takot kasi ako kay edu at sa papt (http://papt.org.ph). ano ba status kung nag bburn ka ng mp3 sa cd or nag-rremix ng mp3? possible ba may huli 'to?

[leipogs23]

Thanks po sa lahat ng nagcomment sa post ko.
Eto na po un updated list ko.
1. 10 PC
2. router (16 ports)
3. lan cable
4. smartbro enterprise (3,200 plan para me internet hosting)
5. Ubuntu 9.04 desktop CD installer
6. wine
7. samba
8. games na nagrrun sa wine
9. printer (contineus flow of ink???)
10. scanner
11. xerox machine (optional defends on funds)
12. 3 in 1 printer (backup)
13. 14 monoblock chairs.
14. 1 table for printers.
15. PC rack
16. 2 electric pan (or aircon???)
17. blank CDs

[jepong]

anu anu games ba nag-rrun sa wine? any idea? sobrang outdated na ako sa games.

[leipogs23]

Di po natuloy pagkuha ko sa PC kasi nashort ako ng 25k.ahehe. Baka po next week na lang. Para sakto sa release ng 9.04.

Dun po sa printer, di po ba kelangan pa ipaconvert un sa ink? Or me nabibili na na un ink nya e un di na cartrige???

Dun po sa router. Un pala binili ko e 16 ports na.hehe.

Since di ko pa nakukuha mga PC. Ang meron na ko ngayon is 50 CDR
at 1 CDROM cleaner. Not bad output in a span of a week.hehehe.

Pag po nakuha ko na mga PC dis weekend. Siguro makastart na ko Next month. Hayyys! Exited na ko.hehehe

[leipogs23]

anu anu games ba nag-rrun sa wine? any idea? sobrang outdated na ako sa games.

Well based on my research. Nagrurun daw ang DOTA. Un iba di ko pa nacoconfirm like NBA NFS or CS. Inuna ko DOTA itry since yun ang pinakasikat dito samen. Try this link on how to run dota.

http://choxblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/play-dota-aka-warcraft-on-ubuntu/

[Script Warlock]

regarding sa printer i suggest na gamitin mo na lang ang orig na ink oo nga makatipid ka sa continous pero poblema ka sa clogups at sirain ang print head. naku mas mahal ang print head keysa bago printer pero meron naman imit or refilled na ink dba? d2 sa amin orig na ink ng epson is 600 black at 800 ang colored. while sa imit 125 black at 160 ang colored, dali nga lang maubos pero tipid nga.

anu gagawin mo sa cdr magburn ka ng anu?

[leipogs23]

regarding sa printer i suggest na gamitin mo na lang ang orig na ink oo nga makatipid ka sa continous pero poblema ka sa clogups at sirain ang print head. naku mas mahal ang print head keysa bago printer pero meron naman imit or refilled na ink dba? d2 sa amin orig na ink ng epson is 600 black at 800 ang colored. while sa imit 125 black at 160 ang colored, dali nga lang maubos pero tipid nga.

Ganun po ba? Sige po di na lang continues gamitin ko. Hanap na lang ako printer na medyo mura ang ink. Para mura lang ang printing saken. Goal ko is 1 or 2 pesos per page lang.hehehe



anu gagawin mo sa cdr magburn ka ng anu?
[/QUOTE]
Un pong mga installer ibburn ko sa cd para maayus ang backups ng mga kelangan ko na programs. Tsaka balak ko po magdistribute ng Ubuntu installer for the price of the CD only.hehehe

[leipogs23]

Regarding po sa mga burn ng kanta sa cd or dvd. Bawal po ba yun?

[Script Warlock]

Regarding po sa mga burn ng kanta sa cd or dvd. Bawal po ba yun?

bawal as what the copyright says kung walang permission sa mayari ng material..wala naman problema sa linux

[jepong]

Is it true na kung may mp3 ka sa hard disk mo eh grounds for confiscation na yun?

[dodimar]

mga boss tanong lang po... takot kasi ako kay edu at sa papt (http://papt.org.ph). ano ba status kung nag bburn ka ng mp3 sa cd or nag-rremix ng mp3? possible ba may huli 'to?

If you want a full legitimate iCafe business,,, madaming requirements.. you even have to register with them yung DVD/CD writer mo....

you can check their website and read...

remember... read and read and understand.. kung may questions... ask some experts in the business (like sir boyet).. hehehe

[dodimar]

regarding sa printer i suggest na gamitin mo na lang ang orig na ink oo nga makatipid ka sa continous pero poblema ka sa clogups at sirain ang print head. naku mas mahal ang print head keysa bago printer pero meron naman imit or refilled na ink dba? d2 sa amin orig na ink ng epson is 600 black at 800 ang colored. while sa imit 125 black at 160 ang colored, dali nga lang maubos pero tipid nga.

anu gagawin mo sa cdr magburn ka ng anu?

Yung sa printer.. syempre mas advisable pa din to use orig ink..

but if you want to go for a continuous ink, be sure that after 15 to 20 pages ng deretsong printing, rest ka ng 5 minutes,, then saka mo tuloy ang printing (if you are printing more than 20 pages.

[leipogs23]

If you want a full legitimate iCafe business,,, madaming requirements.. you even have to register with them yung DVD/CD writer mo....


Thanks po sa advice. Regarding nga po sa mga kelangan. Super hirap magpalegitimate. Kasi ambagal2x maglakad ng papeles. Lalo na mga permits.haaays!!!



you can check their website and read...

remember... read and read and understand.. kung may questions... ask some experts in the business (like sir boyet).. hehehe


Ano po site???

[Script Warlock]

eto na nga yung link binigay sa atin...

http://papt.org.ph/

eto pa

http://portal.doh.gov.ph/chd10/piracy.pdf
http://www.chanrobles.com/legal7copyright.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_copyright_law

and so on and so on... dami nito info babasahin

[leipogs23]

I was about to install ZenCafe to my PC. Kala ko Internet cafe management software yun. Yun pala distro din yun.wahehe

[Script Warlock]

I was about to install ZenCafe to my PC. Kala ko Internet cafe management software yun. Yun pala distro din yun.wahehe

hintayin mo na lang 9.04 ilang araw na lang release na tapos try mo ext4...:KS

[dodimar]

I was about to install ZenCafe to my PC. Kala ko Internet cafe management software yun. Yun pala distro din yun.wahehe

It is a distro designed for internet cafe's.. It has built in functions na kailangan sa isang iCafe (iCafe management softwares, etc...)... remember to read... http://linux.blogs.ie/

[leipogs23]

Mga bossing. Sa tingin nyo, ano mas maganda gamitin ko para sa itatayo kong icafe? Me installer CD na ko ng 8.10. E tomorrow release na ng 9.04. Mas ok kaya na 8.10 muna ang gamitin ko? Or since available na, mas maganda kaya na 9.04??? Thenks po

[leipogs23]

hintayin mo na lang 9.04 ilang araw na lang release na tapos try mo ext4...:KS

Sensya na sir boyet, I missed your post. Tingin nyo? Mas maganda talaga na 9.04 na kagad?? Konti lang ba pinagiba sa 8.10???

[leipogs23]

It is a distro designed for internet cafe's.. It has built in functions na kailangan sa isang iCafe (iCafe management softwares, etc...)... remember to read... http://linux.blogs.ie/

Thanks sir dodimar. CCL na lang din ang gagamitin ko. Kaso parang di ko feel un screen saver. Ung yelow tapos me ccl sa gitna. Napapalitan ba yun???

[dodimar]

Thanks sir dodimar. CCL na lang din ang gagamitin ko. Kaso parang di ko feel un screen saver. Ung yelow tapos me ccl sa gitna. Napapalitan ba yun???

Check mo tong thread na ito.. discussion ito regarding CCL (Cafe Con Leche)..

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=777093

[dodimar]

leipogs23, san ka nga pala sa cavite?

[leipogs23]

leipogs23, san ka nga pala sa cavite?

Indang Cavite po. But currently I'm staying here in Paranaque coz I'm working in Makati.

[Script Warlock]

Thanks sir dodimar. CCL na lang din ang gagamitin ko. Kaso parang di ko feel un screen saver. Ung yelow tapos me ccl sa gitna. Napapalitan ba yun???

yes napaplitan..
what i did is

1.i choose and edit my fav pic sa gimp
2.scale the edited image parehas sa desktop resolution, mine is 1200x800px
3.i named it to lockpix and save as .gif
4.and nilagay ko sa created na folder sa home directory .cclcfox where the certificate is also located

now i dunno if this is neccessary at din ko rin alam ang resulta..i opened the cclcfox-0.7.1 folder located in my home folder at open the folder named src and then opened the locker.h with text editor....

hmmm i tried to delete the * sign from the protected line called FXIFImage....*lockpix; and then save.

then i launched the cclcfox timer.. tada!!! i saw my favorite pic.. pero i dunno why and how it worked maybe becoz of the deletion of *asterisk? or becoz i have edited the image according to my desktop resolution?. actually it happened just today testing it in my laptop

anu kaya sa tingin nyo:confused:

[ronaldr34]

alam ko meron thread sa philippine team using ccl-cafe con leche only for linux system....

[inqui.08]

Leiprogs, musta net cafe mo powered by linux? Interested dn sana ako magput up net biz d2 s province nmin using same setup.. Problema may small competion n ako agad and I think gumgamit cla pirated software.. Gusto ko lng mgtry 3-5 pcs muna if mgcclick, hirap xe mglabas agad malaking capital..

Can you please give some details ng hardware specs mo ready for ubuntu installation? Know some stuffs about linux pro not that much..

Also, I'm planning to buy s PCExpress ng mga cheap component bka may idea kau ng mga models/brand n ok:

1. PC
Mobo:
Processor:
Webcam: (nabasa ko a4tech - though bka may ibang png option)
Others: (Safe to assume nman cguro to buy generic mouse, keyboards, monitor)

2. router (16 ports)
3. smartbro wireless (anong plan kinuha mo? ok nman connection?)
4. List of games running w/ ubuntu?


On a side note, possible b ung setup n ganto:
1 --- XP - server
4 --- Ubuntu - workstation

Everytym gusto mgrun ng ubuntu users ko ng apps n gumagana lng using Windows, coconect lng cla s server tas mkakapgrun n cla? Prang RDC setup, para if nde maiwasan mginstall ng licensed software, 1 copy lng kelangan ko bilin pra s server?

Possible b to or wishful thinking lng? Hehehe.. Thanks! :D

[zilu54]

ooops sorry....wrong post.

[rotex13]

pasensya na po sa medyo stupid na tanong pero, ano po yung wine?
it's [W-ine,I-s,N-ot,anE-mulator]because of this program maiinstall mo na ang windows program for linux for more info punta k nlgn sa site nila...andun din ung mga list of program sa 100% na pwede gumana sa linux,

[tykmo]

mga ts0ng meron ba kayong nakita o napagrent-an na internet cafe/shop na ubuntu/linux OS ng mga PC? kung meron saan? saka please post niyo mga details ng cafe ex. how they run that cafe. et.al.

salamat ;)


meron ako napunantahan na icafe na linux ang os sa Tanauan batangas. Kaso 3 years ago pa yun. Ewan ko kung nakatayo pa rin yung internet cafe na yun. Wala pa ko alam nun sa Linux pero nakita ko na may penguin sa desktop nila. Ayos naman yung internet.

[kilosan]

if you plan to go linux.

your ace is internet browsing service and printing which is near schools.

you can now use webmessenger of yahoo (yahoo in web browser), it even now has webcam and voice access.

and because you are an internet only shop, you dont need high end hardwares.

probably you can now start with P100,000 of capital for 9-10 units or the better if you know how to use the nc computing (multiple units in one pc) or client pc's so your user can either log on as guest or create their own account with 10mb personal storage with bonus privilege like bonus time to give that attachment rate.

[Script Warlock]

if you plan to go linux.

your ace is internet browsing service and printing which is near schools.

you can now use webmessenger of yahoo (yahoo in web browser), it even now has webcam and voice access.

and because you are an internet only shop, you dont need high end hardwares.

probably you can now start with P100,000 of capital for 9-10 units or the better if you know how to use the nc computing (multiple units in one pc) or client pc's so your user can either log on as guest or create their own account with 10mb personal storage with bonus privilege like bonus time to give that attachment rate.

teka are you sure supported na webcam at voice sa webmessenger?

[rplomantes]

Guys I have printing business here in marikina. I have only 4 computers for rent for typing, internet and internet games lahat naka ubuntu. Medyo ok ang response ng customers dahil mas stable and internet surfing at hindi na vivirus kung may space lang gusto ko dagdagan.

[kilosan]

you can try it, right click then settings, by allow settings for yahoo to access your mic and camera and if you have v4linux, just double click the camera icon.

[Script Warlock]

you can try it, right click then settings, by allow settings for yahoo to access your mic and camera and if you have v4linux, just double click the camera icon.

ok allowed ko na webcam at voice then paano ako makabroadcast?
i think meebo is the right tool for this...

[loell]

you can try it, right click then settings, by allow settings for yahoo to access your mic and camera and if you have v4linux, just double click the camera icon.

sa flash settings yan, generic yan sa lahat ng embeded flash elements. ;)

[webchannel]

Hello cafes!!! I am from WEB CHANNEL INTERNET CAFE HERE IN BATAAN, sure ako kami palang ang Linux sa lugar namin, I dual boot my 15 pcs pc with windows xp and ubuntu 10.04. OK Naman ang result. Kapag internet ang gagawin ng costumer ubuntu agad ang boot ko.
Tatlo ang Web Browser ko, Google Chrome, firefox, SAKA Opera browser, 3 mbps ang speed ko kaya wala problema sa browsing, Mas mabilis kaysa sa XP.

Ang good news mabibilib ka, nakakakita ako ng ubuntu theme na katulad sa xp, Talagang windows xp ang itsura pati mga icons pati yung taskbar, my computer, my documents, start button, network icon, xp wallpaper, hindi nga mapagkakamalang ubuntu, makikita lang yung ubuntu kapag booting ciempre. Maganda ang result lalu na kapag may animation opening window minimized saka close (compiz. Dina malilito ang mga baging costumer, parang walang binago na OS. tRY TO GOOGLE IT.
sA OFFICE NAMAN OKAY Naman yung open office, pero pewede mo install yung microsft office sa wine. (2003 vERSION NA LANG.)

sa games yung dota gumagana full screen saka window mode (opengl)SEARCH MO SA GOOGLE "PLAYONLINUX" PANG INSTALL NG WINDOWS GAMES...

[poosietgp]

thumbs up para sa WEB CHANNEL INTERNET CAFE! :guitar:
mukhang sa ngayon dual boot lang talga ang pinaka mainam na solution if you want linux on your rent-a-boxes, you get the best of both worlds linux for a "MORE" secured browsing and online transactions and WINDOWS for fun and games.

I also saw PLAYONLINUX, personally i haven't tried it yet, pero mukhang front end sya sa Wine, Wine na try ko na to, was able to play dota and a few mmorpg on top of Wine.

If anyone really wants to start a pure ubuntu iCafe I would suggest na:


Mag-research ng mga patok na offline/local/mmog na tatakbo sa Wine.
Mag-research ng mga Fixes/patches/dependencies or special configuration sa mga games na nakuha mo from number 1 (this is ofcourse for easier troubleshooting and maintenance.).
1 and 2 can be accomplished thru PLAYONLINUX and Wine site/forums.
Mas ok kung parepareho specs ng mga rent-a-box mo for easier troubleshooting and maintenance
Kung parepareho specs ng rent-a-box mo, try to setup a ghost/clone server like clonezilla (pwede din dd command for non netboot situations).
Lastly Make sure na ung mga bibilhin mo na printers and webcams will work fine on ubuntu.

[emmman]

hi...im new here... =) internet cafe na puro Linux? ewan... hehehe pero sa university namen puro Ubuntu [edubuntu] ang operating system! Ang mga estudyante don sanay na sanay sila dun sa OS! ako din nasanay na! Nag palit na din ako ng OS to Ubuntu 10.04, pero dito sa lugar namen may comp shop/bakery?/sari-sari store/photocopy center... linux sila! Fedora nga lang...

[reneorense]

Ang gagaling naman nyan...

Ano ang suggestion po ninyo na time-keeper for the internet shop..? Sa'men kasi, wala naman angal ang mga tao sa kung anong OS ang gamit, so I had a chance to experiment running games in Ubuntu...

Here are some of which I've run perfectly:
Conuter
Dota, WoW, atbp na maliliit lang na online games...
GTA
L4D
Mejo nagkakaproblema lang ako sa DMC4 at RA3. But I was able to run DMC3SE...

As with other common MS apps like MS office 2003, okay naman din...

Mostly net lang po ang ginagawa ng mga nagre-rent...

Pero po pag-Ubuntu kasi mano-mano ang pag-time namin since di pa namin mashadong kabisado.. So ano po ang recommended ninyo na magandang gamitin para sa workstation timer...

Salamat po ng marami... :)

8)

[Script Warlock]

ako po dito sa cebu ubuntu ang gamit sa shop na may 8units minus isang sirang pc at kung gusto kayo pasyal sa shop pwede rin..

OT: hmm pwede rin pala shop gamitin para release party ng ubuntu ngayon ko lang naisip.

@reneorense, mkahawa pwede mo gamitin timer kaso under development pa lang at magiging ok na ang takbo ng mkahawa ngayong may29 pa nga lang sabi ng developer.

[leipogs23]

Sir boyet... Sir boyet... at last 100% ununtu na din ang shop ko.hehehe. Ubuntu 10.04+LTSP rocks....!!!!

I'll post pictures of my shop next week....hehehehe

[Script Warlock]

Sir boyet... Sir boyet... at last 100% ununtu na din ang shop ko.hehehe. Ubuntu 10.04+LTSP rocks....!!!!

I'll post pictures of my shop next week....hehehehe

ako screenshot pa din dati yung kumalat sa net sa amin yun.. pero update ko nga lang pala screenshot para makita din kung anong potential ng linux sa icafe. or post ko na lang kaya videop stream ng shop pag matapos ko na matrabaho ics ng ubuntu with iptables. sumakit ulo ko sa network manager ng ubuntu di ko pa rin gets ang ics nila, iptable na lang..

[royfmont13]

Hello cafes!!! I am from WEB CHANNEL INTERNET CAFE HERE IN BATAAN, sure ako kami palang ang Linux sa lugar namin, I dual boot my 15 pcs pc with windows xp and ubuntu 10.04. OK Naman ang result. Kapag internet ang gagawin ng costumer ubuntu agad ang boot ko.
Tatlo ang Web Browser ko, Google Chrome, firefox, SAKA Opera browser, 3 mbps ang speed ko kaya wala problema sa browsing, Mas mabilis kaysa sa XP.

Ang good news mabibilib ka, nakakakita ako ng ubuntu theme na katulad sa xp, Talagang windows xp ang itsura pati mga icons pati yung taskbar, my computer, my documents, start button, network icon, xp wallpaper, hindi nga mapagkakamalang ubuntu, makikita lang yung ubuntu kapag booting ciempre. Maganda ang result lalu na kapag may animation opening window minimized saka close (compiz. Dina malilito ang mga baging costumer, parang walang binago na OS. tRY TO GOOGLE IT.
sA OFFICE NAMAN OKAY Naman yung open office, pero pewede mo install yung microsft office sa wine. (2003 vERSION NA LANG.)

sa games yung dota gumagana full screen saka window mode (opengl)SEARCH MO SA GOOGLE "PLAYONLINUX" PANG INSTALL NG WINDOWS GAMES...


Sir, ask ko lang po saan po kayo sa Bataan? Taga limay po ako, gusto ko po makita ang shop nyo, kung pwede?

[xxxlam]

I think a better idea is to separate Gamers from people who only browses internet. Of course we must know the perspective of every customers, gamers, etc...

One issue (scenario) is, most Facebook users in an internet cafe complains when DOTA gamers keeps on screaming and yelling inside (maybe for excitement)... It's a total desrtuction for an innocent researcher. :D

My advice is, use Windows (7 or XP) in one side of your shop for gaming (since this OS is very much expesive). The other half, use Puppy or Ubuntu for Facebook fanatics and for research purposes etc...

... and oh, by the way, NO GAMING DURING SCHOOL HOURS! Research only.

[Samhain13]

One issue (scenario) is, most Facebook users in an internet cafe complains when DOTA gamers keeps on screaming and yelling inside (maybe for excitement)... It's a total desrtuction for an innocent researcher.

I can totally relate to this. Back when I used to almost live inside Internet cafes, the gamers really annoyed me. Parang sila na lang ang may karapatan mag-enjoy sa ginagawa nila. And I spent long hours in the cafes doing research.

[angheloko]

I can totally relate to this. Back when I used to almost live inside Internet cafes, the gamers really annoyed me. Parang sila na lang ang may karapatan mag-enjoy sa ginagawa nila. And I spent long hours in the cafes doing research.

May mga laro talaga, kahit gano ka kamaton mapapatili ka, like yun Left4Dead... Naaalala ko pa, lahat kami lalake, pero kung magtilian e, matatawa ka talaga, heheh.. Try nyo minsan laruin.

[xxxlam]

That's my point, paghiwalaying ang mga naglalaro sa nagreresearch...
sa mga naglalaro dual boot (windows && linux maybe), sa mga nagaaral puwede kahit linux lang. pero sa palagay ko hahanapin padin nila ang microsoft Office so best alternative is Open Office nalang suguro.
And another problem arrises, compatibility issues ng open office sa MS office.

any news about this? ;D

[perbiu]

Majority of the customer dont recognize the difference of openoffice from ms office.

Usually, they start from scratch so no problem with incompatibilities.

The only thing you will encounter ms office .doc .docx incompatibility is for printing customers that carry their own .doc files, but incompatibility happens in "tables" which is a little off and needs adjusting, you can reject them if you want since they are only rare and will take out your time which will out weigh other printing customers that will just print out a few documents without tables. But i also tried it in different ms office also results to table problems due to fonts used and versions 98/xp/2007.

Conclusion, MS office is a headache, and if you can give free copies of openoffice in your shop, then do so.

[xxxlam]

And oh, by the way, do you have a timer for customers that works like "Cafe Manila"?

[Script Warlock]

And oh, by the way, do you have a timer for customers that works like "Cafe Manila"?

here are some of the timers..

openlan house
gbilling
mkahawa
cafepilot

[adgaps]

na-try ko na dati na i-dual boot yung isang pc sa shop namin... Windows XP at Ubuntu 10.04...

nung una ok naman... kaso dahil halos lahat ng customers namin typing ang pakay, nahihirapan sila sa openoffice...

may ilan ding talagang nalilito sa interface, syempre dahil sanay sila sa windows...

and, most of all, walang YM... nadi-discourage sila gumamit ng ubuntu...

[xxxlam]

I think, you need an assistant... to assist customers using OpenOffice (but it is impractical of course).

In the case of your Yahoo Messenger, just google it. :D

[vinsniv]

Pasali po sa inyong magandang talakayan dito. ang dami ko agad natutunan. maraming salamat po. pasensya na po kung wala akong maitulong agad sa talakayan dahil bagito pa ako sa linux. sumubok ako dati ng dsl at knoppix, year 2005 yata pero hanggang internet browsing lang nagawa ko. di kinaya ng weak powers ko.

Kaugnay sa paksa, sa internet cafe ko pong maliit, isa ay naka YLMF na at yung lima ay winxp pa rin ang os. kasi iba na ngayon ang linux kumpara sa dating nasubukan ko. gaya nga nitong YLMF, mukhang ******* sya kaya napapadali ang transition from ******* to ubuntu. balak kong gawing YLMF lahat ito pag sanay na ang mga suki sa isang unit.

tapos ay i-promote sa ibang cybercafes hanggang masanay ang maraming mga suki.

[topet2k12001]

Pasali po sa inyong magandang talakayan dito. ang dami ko agad natutunan. maraming salamat po. pasensya na po kung wala akong maitulong agad sa talakayan dahil bagito pa ako sa linux. sumubok ako dati ng dsl at knoppix, year 2005 yata pero hanggang internet browsing lang nagawa ko. di kinaya ng weak powers ko.

Kaugnay sa paksa, sa internet cafe ko pong maliit, isa ay naka YLMF na at yung lima ay winxp pa rin ang os. kasi iba na ngayon ang linux kumpara sa dating nasubukan ko. gaya nga nitong YLMF, mukhang ******* sya kaya napapadali ang transition from ******* to ubuntu. balak kong gawing YLMF lahat ito pag sanay na ang mga suki sa isang unit.

tapos ay i-promote sa ibang cybercafes hanggang masanay ang maraming mga suki.

Yes, YLMF looks very much like WinXP. :) Zorin OS is also nice, you may want to try. It allows your computer to look like Mac OS, Windows 7, and GNOME (with a few clicks of a mouse).

[punong_bisyonaryo]

Excellent! This was a very interesting topic, and I just lost 3 hours of sleep time kakabasa sa old posts.:)

On improving the i-cafe scene and widespread Ubuntu adoption,


Well based on my research. Nagrurun daw ang DOTA. Un iba di ko pa nacoconfirm like NBA NFS or CS. Inuna ko DOTA itry since yun ang pinakasikat dito samen. Try this link on how to run dota.

http://choxblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/play-dota-aka-warcraft-on-ubuntu/

I have what I think a better tutorial on installing DOTA/WC3/Frozen Throne, but it requires installation from an original copy of Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne (pirated copies work just fine, but you didn't hear it from me, mmkay?;) )

http://jplui.com/geekmadness/2008/06/24/playing-warcraft-iii-and-dota-in-linux/

Since medyo matagal na since nagawa ko yun, kindly test naman and pa-feedback kung gumagana parin. Wala na ako time mag test these days. Pero dati everything worked pati LAN game.


Oh, Im doing my own compilation and reviews of games AND ONLINE GAMES that works for GNU/Linux natively ;) Not done with it yet tho. Next part of my research is for WINE, etc.

I'm preparing to push Gaming in Ubuntu for the Philippines :p Have friends and business contacts willing to do the test run, hopefully this year, if it will work. Cafe chains ;)

@Laibcoms, we'd love to see your compilation and reviews ng mga games. Maybe you can put a link sa Community Documentation ng Games sa Ubuntu Documentation (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games) sa reviews mo or install instructions. Mas marami rin instructions sa Chinese Ubuntu Wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.org.cn/UbuntuHelp:Games). At least pag inupdate mo dito, sure kang marami makakakita.

Pwede rin if you have linux-game-related stories/reviews/tutorials, gawan ko kayo ng author sa GeekMadness (http://jplui.com/geekmadness). I would love to have you as guest writers! Of course you can promote your own website or blog from there too.:)

[webchannel]

Oo ltsp and d best "no hard disk" boot from network i already made it you can run ten pc without hard disk... Yehey!!!! Thin client ba sayu or fat client?

[webchannel]

na-try ko na dati na i-dual boot yung isang pc sa shop namin... Windows XP at Ubuntu 10.04...

nung una ok naman... kaso dahil halos lahat ng customers namin typing ang pakay, nahihirapan sila sa openoffice...

may ilan ding talagang nalilito sa interface, syempre dahil sanay sila sa windows...

and, most of all, walang YM... nadi-discourage sila gumamit ng ubuntu...


MADALANG NA LANG ANG NAGYYYM Usually sa facebook na lang nag chchat

[tech-hero]

i remembered those days, na yung mga computer shops sa labas ng school, na- raid sila for using pirated softwares, kaya for two months, yung mga nagsurvive at iwas raid, gumamit ng linux. im not familiar with the OS yet, pero linux sya na ang themes eh parang windows xp din. sa docs at sa internet browsing walang prob, pero wala silang games. :D kung malakas ang pwesto mo para sa mga projects lang, no problem. sulit ka jan. pero mostly, kung gusto mo na madaming kita talaga, sa gaming patok ang computer shops eh.

[webchannel]

thumbs up para sa WEB CHANNEL INTERNET CAFE! :guitar:
mukhang sa ngayon dual boot lang talga ang pinaka mainam na solution if you want linux on your rent-a-boxes, you get the best of both worlds linux for a "MORE" secured browsing and online transactions and WINDOWS for fun and games.

I also saw PLAYONLINUX, personally i haven't tried it yet, pero mukhang front end sya sa Wine, Wine na try ko na to, was able to play dota and a few mmorpg on top of Wine.

If anyone really wants to start a pure ubuntu iCafe I would suggest na:


Mag-research ng mga patok na offline/local/mmog na tatakbo sa Wine.
Mag-research ng mga Fixes/patches/dependencies or special configuration sa mga games na nakuha mo from number 1 (this is ofcourse for easier troubleshooting and maintenance.).
1 and 2 can be accomplished thru PLAYONLINUX and Wine site/forums.
Mas ok kung parepareho specs ng mga rent-a-box mo for easier troubleshooting and maintenance
Kung parepareho specs ng rent-a-box mo, try to setup a ghost/clone server like clonezilla (pwede din dd command for non netboot situations).
Lastly Make sure na ung mga bibilhin mo na printers and webcams will work fine on ubuntu.


Since November Tinaggal ko na yung Dual Boot XP saka Ubuntu 10.04
kasi nabinggo ko na yung LTSP, (FAT CLIENT) sUCESS YUNG SETUP, iSANG SERVER NA Ubuntu 10.10, Network boot ko yung 5 PC ISANG SERVER,Seach mu Ubuntu LTSP FAT dOCUMENTATION PWEDE RIN NETWORK BOOT LAHAT NG PC, MAS MAGANDA KUNG PAREPAREHO YUNG HARDWARE MO,GAWA KA LANG 15 NA USERNAME

[Script Warlock]

@webchannel, naks laki naman ng teks mo halos lumuwa sa dekstop ko! pwede ba liitan.

thats true sa shop ko usually facebook, school projects lang at skype pero mas enjoy sila sa fb. meron akong games na sinubukan yung HON at savage wala rin. balak kong susubukan ang enemy territory TCE parang maganda ang graphics.

i like the idea na LTSP baka summer setup ko yan sa shop.

[franchoy]

@webchannel, naks laki naman ng teks mo halos lumuwa sa dekstop ko! pwede ba liitan.

thats true sa shop ko usually facebook, school projects lang at skype pero mas enjoy sila sa fb. meron akong games na sinubukan yung HON at savage wala rin. balak kong susubukan ang enemy territory TCE parang maganda ang graphics.

i like the idea na LTSP baka summer setup ko yan sa shop.

siguro maganda location mo. minsan kasi talagang nasa location din nakasalalay ung kita ng business mo.

[Script Warlock]

tatlong shop nasa paligid ko pero di magkatabi ang style ko lang eh kung anong wala sa kabila meron ako. pinabilisan ko lang speed ng net at yun nga virus free computing at meron libreng snack sa hapon kung sakaling mainit ang panahon(juice at biskit). at syempre kung mabilis ang net at machine gaganahan yan dahil nga walang oras na maaksaya. malinis ang shop. 15/hr lang rate namin 3+1 sa mga prepaid at kung sakaling di nila natapos ang oras pwedeng balikan bukas, yan ang wala sa iba na tig 10/hr..

any usb devices including cams nila libre ko pero kung kami ang tatrabaho merong bayad... at their own risk nga lang kung sila.

sinubukan ko din pinalitan ng winxp skin ang ubuntu di rin umubra dahil sa nasanayang gnome. kaya nga walang galawan sa default UI ng ubuntu ewan ko lang sa bagong gnome 3 baka magreklamo na naman mga tomer.

[franchoy]

tatlong shop nasa paligid ko pero di magkatabi ang style ko lang eh kung anong wala sa kabila meron ako. pinabilisan ko lang speed ng net at yun nga virus free computing at meron libreng snack sa hapon kung sakaling mainit ang panahon(juice at biskit). at syempre kung mabilis ang net at machine gaganahan yan dahil nga walang oras na maaksaya. malinis ang shop. 15/hr lang rate namin 3+1 sa mga prepaid at kung sakaling di nila natapos ang oras pwedeng balikan bukas, yan ang wala sa iba na tig 10/hr..

any usb devices including cams nila libre ko pero kung kami ang tatrabaho merong bayad... at their own risk nga lang kung sila.

sinubukan ko din pinalitan ng winxp skin ang ubuntu di rin umubra dahil sa nasanayang gnome. kaya nga walang galawan sa default UI ng ubuntu ewan ko lang sa bagong gnome 3 baka magreklamo na naman mga tomer.


isa lang yang patunay na kahit sino talaga eh kaya naman matutunan ang linux UI ng kahit sino. Pero siguro kung umoisa pa lang ay ginawa mo ng winxp ung UI, siguro ok lng din sa kanila un.... just a thought

[AlexanderDGreat]

Bagal yang LTSP sa totoo lang, may problem din sa hardware...