crhylove
October 5th, 2007, 12:49 AM
I pretty much swore to myself I wasn't going to post on here again, but I'm not one for standing firmly on one opinion when an alternate opinion has been proven to be more correct. I find that type of stance in line with the height of ignorance.
My last topic got closed, after some pretty heated and emotional responses. I was called a troll, and since many rocks were being thrown I suppose I can see why people might have felt that way, though, honestly, that clearly was not my intention. Sorry for any passers by that got clobbered with a rock, just let it be known that I was not throwing any!
I'm posting this from a Live CD. Currently my computer is unusable as I somehow borked the master boot record, and cannot install windows, gutsy, or any other of the 20 or so OSes I have lying around. I'm sure I'll get around to it, but I may just go buy a cheap new PATA drive and start fresh anyway, since this old drive has had some corruption issues (and I currently do not have all 3 of the SATA drives backed up).
I posted a dozen or so bugs in launchpad that, had they been addressed, really would have benefited the end user. They got deleted. Rudely. I'm going to reiterate them here in brief for posterity, because despite the incident having thoroughly pissed me off, I DO want Ubuntu to succeed where other distros have failed to break the M$ hegemony.
1. Easy mp3 ripping. Currently this is far too complicated for the end user. I've had over 20 years experience from the Sinclair to Vista, and had a hard time figuring it out. This should be a basic and easy thing to include. I understand the licensing issues. I understand .ogg may be better on several fronts. I (and my roomie, gf, cousins, brothers) have an mp3 CD player in my car, so.... that is all kind of a moot issue on the practical end. This should work out of box, or be easy to setup out of box. It isn't.
2. Easy video conferencing. As of right now, there is no double click application that starts h.264 and speex with any person on my pidgin list, even if they are also on Ubuntu and in Pidgin. This is also a failing on Windows and Mac (though ichat is impressive), so this is a way to really leap frog the competition. All the code for this is already available under the GPL, so it's hard for me (as an end user, and not a coder) to understand why it hasn't been implemented.
3. Easy video editing and/or YouTube uploading. TVtime is a great application for watching TV, or watching video from a camera or console. However actually manipulating video from a TVcard and uploading it to YouTube is currently impossible. Maybe a lot of people don't have TVcards, and haven't tried it. It's a very useful function and currently it is most definitely impossible. I've tried a dozen apps, and even making screencasts while video was playing in TVtime. All to no avail.
4. Easy multitrack audio recording. This is currently being worked on, and is much closer (AFAIK!) than the other three listed issues. I just have to have patience.
5. Game Console Emulation. On the windows box in the living room (which is covered in mal ware and spy ware because I allow the general public to use it), I have: Gamecube, Playstation 2, Nintendo 64, Super Nintendo, Nintendo, Sega Genesis, and MAME. On days when I have to baby sit, this changes the world in a positive way beyond imagination. Ultimately though, I'd REALLY like to replace that windows box with a *nix box, and even though all but two of the emulators I use are FOSS, that is a LONG way from happening.
I understand that people work hard on Ubuntu and often for free. I understand that people are passionate about it. I understand that there are literally dozens of OTHER priorities for the majority here ahead of those 5. I understand that Ubuntu and Linux in general have come a LONG way, and are much more usable than they were in 1997.
I'm not trying to **** in anybody's cheerios. I just want to have those five issues somewhere on the to-do list of what I consider to be the greatest operating system currently available, so that that operating system can become even better.
I tried filing bugs on Launchpad. Bugs deleted, rudely. I tried filing bugs here in the forums, and was viciously attacked, called a troll and the thread was closed.
I'm somebody who wants to help, who's EXCITED about Ubuntu. I'm coming back here to say to you guys that if you want to have a distro for humans, start acting like humans online, and have some respect, kindness, and civility. There is NO WAY that any other end user I work with would have put up with this kind of behavior. They'd have deleted Ubuntu, went out and bought a mac, and said bad things about Ubuntu AND Linux probably till the end of their days. For me, I don't have an ego problem, I'm not trolling, I'm not discrediting all the work that has happened so far, and I'm not ******* and moaning about the incredibly rude things I've encountered over the last two weeks with regards to Ubuntu.
I'm standing here (well, sitting), offering to post my bugs AGAIN, hoping you guys really do want a community, and a great distro, and not some vicious mob of elitists scaring off anybody who can't type commands in the console. I'm here trying to help.
In case I haven't put it clearly enough, this is what I DON'T want written in this thread:
1. Code it yourself. My programming knowledge lies somewhere between 10 PRINT "Hello" and making a web page. This is disrespectful, for those of us who don't know C, rude, and pointless. There is NO WAY people like myself are going to miraculously learn C because some jerk on a forum said, "code it yourself". I really have to wonder what is going through somebody's mind when they say something like that.
2. Those aren't priorities, sod off. Granted, Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, Pidgin, Rhythmbox, Totem, The Gimp, Tom Boy Notes, and Sudoku are all probably more important to more people than my issues. That has no bearing on the issue, however, since there are MANY people who probably want all that AND the things I have posted.
3. Go back to Windows, *****. I already prefer Ubuntu to Windows for 80% of the things I use it for. I want Ubuntu to conquer the world, and I'm a person who wants to help make that happen. I really do administer approximately 50 machines, as well, so I can help to make this happen (already have, in fact). There are quite a few people in my Pidgin list who are happily running Ubuntu (Feisty), and haven't had a single issue. Some of them are lifers, because they had very bad experiences with both Windows and Mac.
4. This is the wrong place to post. OK, but until Launchpad becomes less of a maniacal oligarchy of rudeness, where are regular humans who want to use Ubuntu supposed to post? How about somebody with more clout than me posting those bugs in the wish list FOR me, since my bugs just get rudely deleted anyway.
Now, for anybody else with something constructive to say, or something that might actually help sort any of this out, that don't want to be rude, disrespectful, petty, or mean:
Please feel free to post in this thread and contribute to the COMMUNITY.
rhY
My last topic got closed, after some pretty heated and emotional responses. I was called a troll, and since many rocks were being thrown I suppose I can see why people might have felt that way, though, honestly, that clearly was not my intention. Sorry for any passers by that got clobbered with a rock, just let it be known that I was not throwing any!
I'm posting this from a Live CD. Currently my computer is unusable as I somehow borked the master boot record, and cannot install windows, gutsy, or any other of the 20 or so OSes I have lying around. I'm sure I'll get around to it, but I may just go buy a cheap new PATA drive and start fresh anyway, since this old drive has had some corruption issues (and I currently do not have all 3 of the SATA drives backed up).
I posted a dozen or so bugs in launchpad that, had they been addressed, really would have benefited the end user. They got deleted. Rudely. I'm going to reiterate them here in brief for posterity, because despite the incident having thoroughly pissed me off, I DO want Ubuntu to succeed where other distros have failed to break the M$ hegemony.
1. Easy mp3 ripping. Currently this is far too complicated for the end user. I've had over 20 years experience from the Sinclair to Vista, and had a hard time figuring it out. This should be a basic and easy thing to include. I understand the licensing issues. I understand .ogg may be better on several fronts. I (and my roomie, gf, cousins, brothers) have an mp3 CD player in my car, so.... that is all kind of a moot issue on the practical end. This should work out of box, or be easy to setup out of box. It isn't.
2. Easy video conferencing. As of right now, there is no double click application that starts h.264 and speex with any person on my pidgin list, even if they are also on Ubuntu and in Pidgin. This is also a failing on Windows and Mac (though ichat is impressive), so this is a way to really leap frog the competition. All the code for this is already available under the GPL, so it's hard for me (as an end user, and not a coder) to understand why it hasn't been implemented.
3. Easy video editing and/or YouTube uploading. TVtime is a great application for watching TV, or watching video from a camera or console. However actually manipulating video from a TVcard and uploading it to YouTube is currently impossible. Maybe a lot of people don't have TVcards, and haven't tried it. It's a very useful function and currently it is most definitely impossible. I've tried a dozen apps, and even making screencasts while video was playing in TVtime. All to no avail.
4. Easy multitrack audio recording. This is currently being worked on, and is much closer (AFAIK!) than the other three listed issues. I just have to have patience.
5. Game Console Emulation. On the windows box in the living room (which is covered in mal ware and spy ware because I allow the general public to use it), I have: Gamecube, Playstation 2, Nintendo 64, Super Nintendo, Nintendo, Sega Genesis, and MAME. On days when I have to baby sit, this changes the world in a positive way beyond imagination. Ultimately though, I'd REALLY like to replace that windows box with a *nix box, and even though all but two of the emulators I use are FOSS, that is a LONG way from happening.
I understand that people work hard on Ubuntu and often for free. I understand that people are passionate about it. I understand that there are literally dozens of OTHER priorities for the majority here ahead of those 5. I understand that Ubuntu and Linux in general have come a LONG way, and are much more usable than they were in 1997.
I'm not trying to **** in anybody's cheerios. I just want to have those five issues somewhere on the to-do list of what I consider to be the greatest operating system currently available, so that that operating system can become even better.
I tried filing bugs on Launchpad. Bugs deleted, rudely. I tried filing bugs here in the forums, and was viciously attacked, called a troll and the thread was closed.
I'm somebody who wants to help, who's EXCITED about Ubuntu. I'm coming back here to say to you guys that if you want to have a distro for humans, start acting like humans online, and have some respect, kindness, and civility. There is NO WAY that any other end user I work with would have put up with this kind of behavior. They'd have deleted Ubuntu, went out and bought a mac, and said bad things about Ubuntu AND Linux probably till the end of their days. For me, I don't have an ego problem, I'm not trolling, I'm not discrediting all the work that has happened so far, and I'm not ******* and moaning about the incredibly rude things I've encountered over the last two weeks with regards to Ubuntu.
I'm standing here (well, sitting), offering to post my bugs AGAIN, hoping you guys really do want a community, and a great distro, and not some vicious mob of elitists scaring off anybody who can't type commands in the console. I'm here trying to help.
In case I haven't put it clearly enough, this is what I DON'T want written in this thread:
1. Code it yourself. My programming knowledge lies somewhere between 10 PRINT "Hello" and making a web page. This is disrespectful, for those of us who don't know C, rude, and pointless. There is NO WAY people like myself are going to miraculously learn C because some jerk on a forum said, "code it yourself". I really have to wonder what is going through somebody's mind when they say something like that.
2. Those aren't priorities, sod off. Granted, Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, Pidgin, Rhythmbox, Totem, The Gimp, Tom Boy Notes, and Sudoku are all probably more important to more people than my issues. That has no bearing on the issue, however, since there are MANY people who probably want all that AND the things I have posted.
3. Go back to Windows, *****. I already prefer Ubuntu to Windows for 80% of the things I use it for. I want Ubuntu to conquer the world, and I'm a person who wants to help make that happen. I really do administer approximately 50 machines, as well, so I can help to make this happen (already have, in fact). There are quite a few people in my Pidgin list who are happily running Ubuntu (Feisty), and haven't had a single issue. Some of them are lifers, because they had very bad experiences with both Windows and Mac.
4. This is the wrong place to post. OK, but until Launchpad becomes less of a maniacal oligarchy of rudeness, where are regular humans who want to use Ubuntu supposed to post? How about somebody with more clout than me posting those bugs in the wish list FOR me, since my bugs just get rudely deleted anyway.
Now, for anybody else with something constructive to say, or something that might actually help sort any of this out, that don't want to be rude, disrespectful, petty, or mean:
Please feel free to post in this thread and contribute to the COMMUNITY.
rhY