Canonical hires Linspire devs...

[kanem]

... one of whose job at Linspire was getting deals done with commercial vendors for things like commercial DVD playing and mp3 licenses, while the other specialized in their Click n' Run service. Perhaps a portent of things to come to Ubuntu.

Linky (http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4485976647.html)

[Dragonbite]

Sounds good! Developing Ubuntu as a complete, competitive system is definitely a worthy goal.

I think those Codecs are one of the bigger thorns in the side of adoption and anything that alleviates it is welcomed (legally alleviate it that is).

I was hopeful Dell would put in it's two cents and include these codecs and have it legal by taking a portion of the proceeds from the hardware to cover the price of licensing/whatever. Even if it includes Fluendo products pre-installed and paid for out of a portion of the hardware sales would go far for Linux adoption I think.

[bruce89]

Oh dear god no.

Perhaps Ubuntu has gone to the newbie market after all.

[plb]

Oh dear god no.

Perhaps Ubuntu has gone to the newbie market after all.

hasn't it always?

[bruce89]

hasn't it always?

I suppose so, I just haven't bothered moving to something more non-eejit orientated.

[kadath]

Oh dear god no.

Perhaps Ubuntu has gone to the newbie market after all.

Although I also dislike the ever-encroaching "let's dumb everything down to the lowest level possible" mentality of some aspects of Ubuntu, we have to remember that Ubuntu is free to download, use, modify, redistribute, etc. It's quite easy to modify and make your own personal version of the distro if you're knowledgeable about Debian/Linux.

That said, if you feel like Ubuntu's becoming too commercial, Debian will always be around, and it doesn't really have a reputation for being a "noob distro."

Let's not forget, who Canonical hires doesn't matter anywhere near as much as Ubuntu's community members, who contribute a lot of needed help (tutorials, bug fixes, apps, packages, repos, etc).

[Polygon]

Oh dear god no.

Perhaps Ubuntu has gone to the newbie market after all.

half of the dumbed down stuff is gnome anyway. you can always use kubuntu

and if all else fails.... ctrl+alt+f1.

[ahaslam]

hasn't it always?

No, n00bs come here because of the popularity. While Ubuntu certainly holds ones hand, some distro's go a whole leap further by leading you down the path blindfolded.

[BoyOfDestiny]

<snip>
we have to remember that Ubuntu is free to download, use, modify, redistribute, etc. It's quite easy to modify and make your own personal version of the distro if you're knowledgeable about Debian/Linux.
<snip>


As long as the default install is clean, and I can install what I want to play my DVDs (shh DVD-Police...) it's fine. If some people want to go the licensed route, which depends on what country they are in... More power to them.

Does anyone know if the licensed stuff will restrict it to the region encoding or prevent skipping of commercials on the disc?

:P

[SunnyRabbiera]

come on if there is a way to make the system more friendly to the common user then go for it.

[smiggs]

Just because they do one thing for Linspire does not mean they will do the same thing for Ubuntu. It's unlikely that Ubuntu will take the same route as Linspire, all the signs have been that they have been moving towards business support hardly something Linspire was looking at.

[bruce89]

half of the dumbed down stuff is gnome anyway. you can always use kubuntu

I don't like KDE, too shiny and option-ridden. I like GNOME's philosophy, I just don't like Ubuntu's "cult following" status by a load of eejits.

[Frak]

Sounds good! Developing Ubuntu as a complete, competitive system is definitely a worthy goal.

I think those Codecs are one of the bigger thorns in the side of adoption and anything that alleviates it is welcomed (legally alleviate it that is).

I was hopeful Dell would put in it's two cents and include these codecs and have it legal by taking a portion of the proceeds from the hardware to cover the price of licensing/whatever. Even if it includes Fluendo products pre-installed and paid for out of a portion of the hardware sales would go far for Linux adoption I think.
Dell is currently working on ways for all formats to be Media Play Ready. Legally.

[bruce89]

I think those Codecs are one of the bigger thorns in the side of adoption and anything that alleviates it is welcomed (legally alleviate it that is).


Evidentally having a dialogue pop up asking you to install codecs is not good enough.

Mabye Ubuntu 8.04 should be able to switch itself on.

[antisocialist]

Evidentally having a dialogue pop up asking you to install codecs is not good enough.

Mabye Ubuntu 8.04 should be able to switch itself on.

lmfao

[Frak]

Evidentally having a dialogue pop up asking you to install codecs is not good enough.

Mabye Ubuntu 8.04 should be able to switch itself on.
That's very possible to accomplish with newer (up to 5 years old) BIOS's. They never actually turn off, they scan ethernet ports for incoming, remote, startup requests, and can also carry on cron-like jobs in the HD or RAM to turn on at certain time(s).

[bruce89]

That's very possible to accomplish with newer (up to 5 years old) BIOS's. They never actually turn off, they scan ethernet ports for incoming, remote, startup requests, and can also carry on cron-like jobs in the HD or RAM to turn on at certain time(s).

Alright, install itself.

[Frak]

Alright, install itself.
Thanks to many services as installing over LAN, it is possible for a WOL packet to be sent to remote machines to turn them on, while the decompressed Ubuntu iso can be run on all remote computers at once. Also thanks to programs such as FastDeploy, the install can also be auto-initiated and auto-configured for a speedy install.

[SunnyRabbiera]

really I see no crime in making linux easy to use... really linux is starting to become something that doesnt need someone with a college degree to work.
really the elitism is killing me

[bruce89]

Thanks to many services as installing over LAN, it is possible for a WOL packet to be sent to remote machines to turn them on, while the decompressed Ubuntu iso can be run on all remote computers at once. Also thanks to programs such as FastDeploy, the install can also be auto-initiated and auto-configured for a speedy install.

Solve world hunger?

If not, install Epiphany with WebKit by default would be nice.


really I see no crime in making linux easy to use... really linux is starting to become something that doesnt need someone with a college degree to work.
really the elitism is killing me

No, I suppose so, but people associate Ubuntu with n00bs these days, that's not fair on me / reasonable people.

[SunnyRabbiera]

well hey were were all beginners at least once in our lives.
I just hate it when elitism shows its ugly head

[bruce89]

well hey were were all beginners at least once in our lives.
I just hate it when elitism shows its ugly head

I don't mind if people ask questions, but insulting people who answer them and that whole l33t thing is rather sad.

[Frak]

I don't mind if people ask questions, but insulting people who answer them and that whole l33t thing is rather sad.
I think we have more people that are older than 9, so we'll be fine ;)

[machoo02]

Solve world hunger?
At the very least, it should pour me a beer (http://static.w3sh.com/wp-content/upload/_imac.jpg)!

[Frak]

At the very least, it should pour me a beer (http://static.w3sh.com/wp-content/upload/_imac.jpg)!
I'd buy it :)

[Polygon]

yes ubuntu is a great starting distro for new people, its what i started with. But the fact is, even now after i am no longer a lnux noob, it is STILL the ONLY distro that has my wireless card working out of the box. i cant do jack crap without internet, so i use ubuntu.

[southernman]

Off all the threads I've read and participated in, I can honestly say that I've not seen that elitism thing in this forum... until now. Oh well... to each their own I suppose. :rolleyes:

Back on topic, I think it's a prime move for Canonical to make for Ubuntu(s)&(ers) future.

Not was it only just ease of installation that drew me to Ubuntu but this forum was certainly part of the deciding factor too. When I refer to this forum, what I mean to imply is:

1- The countless end users that donate their time helping new users.
2- The comradeship that comes with the community.
3- All the behind the scenes efforts put forth by the moderator staff to keep the community healthy and thriving.

The above points are not in order of importance!

[bash]

I think quite a few posts in this thread are a good candidate for the recurring discussions forum. Maybe a mod should move them.

I love Ubuntu for the way it is. Easy to use yet powerful. I think it was a good step to hire those devs. If they would really work on getting codecs integrated legally and by default that would be a huge step forward.

And if you don't like the way Ubuntu does things, well why are you using it. I thougth this is what it was all about. Freedom and choice. So you are free to choose another distro if this one doesn't suit you anymore.

[Beau D.]

I suppose so, I just haven't bothered moving to something more non-eejit orientated.

Hey there is always slackware.

:)

Beau D.

[23meg]

Just because they do one thing for Linspire does not mean they will do the same thing for Ubuntu. It's unlikely that Ubuntu will take the same route as Linspire, all the signs have been that they have been moving towards business support hardly something Linspire was looking at.

I agree.

[Dimitriid]

I am not concerned about it unless it is shown that the specific purpose of hiring the developments is to add some of the features and functionality things Lindows/Lindspire tries to do which would be greatly detrimental for the GNU/Linux community.

[azsw_kid]

... one of whose job at Linspire was getting deals done with commercial vendors for things like commercial DVD playing and mp3 licenses, while the other specialized in their Click n' Run service. Perhaps a portent of things to come to Ubuntu.

Linky (http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4485976647.html)

kanem, how do you know who Ubuntu is hiring?

[RAV TUX]

... one of whose job at Linspire was getting deals done with commercial vendors for things like commercial DVD playing and mp3 licenses, while the other specialized in their Click n' Run service. Perhaps a portent of things to come to Ubuntu.

Linky (http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4485976647.html)
Edit: this needs further evaluation.