PDA

View Full Version : How Linux is being subverted.



Ya'akov
September 12th, 2007, 08:20 PM
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/linux/locutus/archives/how-linux-is-being-subverted-18960



Linux is in great danger at the moment. That danger started when Microsoft cut their deal with Novell. Many open source advocates recognized this and there was a hue and cry over it. This furor has died down to a large extent and apathy has set in. To combat this the FSF brought out their GPLv3 but this seems to be too little too late.

It now appears that Microsoft have started their (in)famous embrace and conqueror strategy on the Linux front. By cutting the deal with Novell they are admitting the Linux threat to them. By claiming their support for Linux they are effectively and efficiently starting their ownership campaign of the Linux platform. Unless they are stopped then Linux will go the way of Netscape.

With large companies like BMW buying into the Winolux combination of WIndows, NOvell and LinUX they are helping to seal the doom of Linux as a free and open computing foundation. They are opening the door to the commercialisation of Linux where it would just become another Windows package with its own EULA and yearly licensing and support fees.

What many people may have missed is that Microsoft, with the Novell and Xandros deal, have already put a form of EULA on the versions of Linux that these companies produce. Windows uses the EULA as a legal way of forcing its customers to pay for the privilege of not being sued for a copy of their software. That is exactly what the deal with Novell and Xandros does. The customers who purchase the free Linux from those companies then become Microsoft customers.

In this way Linux and many other open source programs are being subverted while everyone sits around like a herd of cows and watches it happen. In fact many open source enthusiasts are helping it to happen by using the SUSE and Xandros distributions. The more people that use these distributions the more power is given to Microsoft to continue their takeover of Linux. Make no doubt about it. That is what Microsoft is trying to do and if effective action is not taken to prevent that then that is what Microsoft will do.

Even the GPLv3 is not phasing Microsoft with them dismissing it as of no importance. The FSF has vowed that this issue will be settled in the courts and it will one way or the other. However the courts are where Microsoft are very skilled and they are quite experienced at it and it is exactly what they want. This is because what Microsoft needs most of all is time to act. Court cases drag on for years and every week that Microsoft has to act just increases its strangle hold on Linux's throat.

Microsoft is not sitting on their hands like most open source advocates. They are actively seeking and wooing potential companies and customers to further increase and perpetuate their point of view. What open source people can do, what you can do, is cut this off at the root. Refuse to use any SUSE or Xandros related distribution. They may be good distributions. They may be easy to use. That is the honey to catch the bear. Behind that honey is a steel trap waiting to snare your wallet and freedom of software use.

By not using these distributions you are reducing the power that Microsoft has over Linux and those distributions will quickly go the way of Corel's Linux when they tried the same thing. Linux and open source is the future of computing. Only if we act and vote with our actions will that future become a reality. Otherwise, prepare for the Microsoft Matrix!

igknighted
September 12th, 2007, 11:26 PM
Mods, merge this crap the novell/MS-FUD-superthread please.

@ the OP... post part of this supposed "EULA" or at least post ACTUAL text from a source at Xandros, Novell or MS that backs this up. Otherwise this is fud-spreading blog-spam at best.

theonlyrealperson
September 13th, 2007, 12:09 AM
If you aren't going to back your words up with facts, at least say something useful.

All I see here is FUD.

Officer Dibble
September 13th, 2007, 12:27 AM
=;

AOL had a lot to do with the sell-out of Netscape, and this was possible because of its corporate dependencies, and its technical weakness in the face of IE.

This can't be said of Linux as a package or concept. Open your curtains, stick your head out of your window and take a breath on the real world - The Matrix was just a film, as was the Wizard of Oz... :)

rsambuca
September 13th, 2007, 12:33 AM
:-({|=

Ya'akov
September 13th, 2007, 07:28 PM
Mods, merge this crap the novell/MS-FUD-superthread please.

@ the OP... post part of this supposed "EULA" or at least post ACTUAL text from a source at Xandros, Novell or MS that backs this up. Otherwise this is fud-spreading blog-spam at best.

What's your problem man ??
Everything "Quoted" in this post is "Authentic".

Do you want Free Software ??
Do you want to lose your God given rights to chose the operating system your using ??................ If so, Then Start Supporting Free Software
and don't use anything to with microsoft and those they have coerced into submission....

I also believe that when someone wants to post something that needs "Airing" for discussion, there always will be opposition !!

The above post was something that was found, and "NOT" my personal opinion

rsambuca
September 13th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Sorry Ya'akov. I agree with the others. This is just pure speculation and is nothing more than unsubstantiated fear mongering.

igknighted
September 13th, 2007, 07:39 PM
Mods, merge this crap the novell/MS-FUD-superthread please.

@ the OP... post part of this supposed "EULA" or at least post ACTUAL text from a source at Xandros, Novell or MS that backs this up. Otherwise this is fud-spreading blog-spam at best.

What's your problem man ??
Everything "Quoted" in this post is "Authentic".

Do you want Free Software ??
Do you want to lose your God given rights to chose the operating system your using ??................ If so, Then Start Supporting Free Software
and don't use anything to with microsoft and those they have coerced into submission....

I also believe that when someone wants to post something that needs "Airing" for discussion, there always will be opposition !!

The above post was something that was found, and "NOT" my personal opinion

The text you quoted is not authentic, it's the opinion of someone who doesn't know anything but wants to write something to be inflammatory in order to get attention. The Novell/MS deal does not "sell out linux", the people who run around crying that it is ruining free software are the modern day chicken little running around saying that the sky is falling.

I'll tell you what would set open source adoptation back many years... chasing off a partner as supportive as Novell. It wouldn't kill open source of course, but Novell does a lot to get open source out there, more than almost any other company.

Ya'akov
September 13th, 2007, 07:43 PM
HI there guys.
D'you think that I was duped into re-publishing that quote??
Just that I was given that post from another user.

Aw gosh, sorry lads!:confused:

igknighted
September 13th, 2007, 07:48 PM
HI there guys.
D'you think that I was duped into re-publishing that quote??
Just that I was given that post from another user.

Aw gosh, sorry lads!:confused:

I think that listening to all the views is important. I think this writer was vastly overstating the dangers, but to say there are none is also foolish. The point is that you need to examine all sides of an issue and draw your own conclusions. Personally, I look at Novell's history and their business model, and the conclusion I draw is that it would be suicide for them to alienate the OSS community. So in the end, they have to have our back, because it is theirs as well. It's not as simple as "getting duped", but just take everything you read with a grain of salt. Read both sides and start to separate fact from fear on your own, and come to your own conlusions.

EDIT: I'm sorry for sounding so harsh... i didn't mean anything personal against you, but it gets so frustrating hearing people who have only read one side of the story and are convinced that those who think like the blogger you posted are 100% right.

tszanon
September 13th, 2007, 07:49 PM
You know, GNU/Linux also has its own "EULA"...
1. No warranty. Use at your own risk.
2. GPL: if you modify the source and redistribute, you must make the modified source available.

These two are those that came to my mind. You know, if you don't agree, don't use it. Just like any other EULA.

rsambuca
September 13th, 2007, 07:51 PM
Keep in mind that a blog is just one person's views, and not to be taken as fact. They can raise good issues, but then it would be prudent of you to determine the actual facts behind what the blogger is basing their opinions on.

In this case, the blogger has no facts upon which his outrageous opinions are based. Frankly, not really worth the bandwith that it takes to load the page.

Ya'akov
September 13th, 2007, 08:03 PM
True!!

angryfirelord
September 14th, 2007, 01:19 AM
Commercialism won't bring the doom of Linux. In fact, Red Hat has major success with its RHEL sales & yet, they make the source code freely available on their servers. Novell, Xandros, and Linspire never achieved the same success Red Hat did, so they're grasping at straws and probably will die at some point (like with every other company that made a deal with Microsoft).

steveneddy
September 14th, 2007, 01:29 AM
The Matrix was just a film, .....

Wha?

No Way!

It's real, I tell you.

Don't believe the FUD, the Matrix is REAL.

Join the revolution!

8-)

RedDwarf
September 14th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Linux is in great danger at the moment. That danger started when Microsoft cut their deal with Novell.
There is a "danger"? So which one? When people talks about "dangers" without specifying is a good sign that you should not take them seriously.


To combat this the FSF brought out their GPLv3 but this seems to be too little too late.
Simply false.
The first draft of GPLv3 is from January 16, 2006, and Microsoft/Novell deal is from November 2006. So FSF is able to see the future?


It now appears that Microsoft have started their (in)famous embrace and conqueror strategy on the Linux front. By cutting the deal with Novell they are admitting the Linux threat to them. By claiming their support for Linux they are effectively and efficiently starting their ownership campaign of the Linux platform. Unless they are stopped then Linux will go the way of Netscape.
And so when Novell makes a deal with Microsoft it is admitting the Windows threat to them. And by claiming their support for Windows they are effectively and efficiently starting their ownership campaign of the Windows platform. Correct? Well at least I'm applying the same logic...


They are opening the door to the commercialisation of Linux where it would just become another Windows package with its own EULA and yearly licensing and support fees.
People wants to make money from Linux!!! They must be soooo evil.
But Red Hat will be never able to charge support fees since they have no agreement with Microsoft. Everybody knows you need an agreement with Microosft to charge money for things.


What many people may have missed is that Microsoft, with the Novell and Xandros deal, have already put a form of EULA on the versions of Linux that these companies produce.
Oh yes, those magic EULAs that are not written anywhere but that are legally binding. I received one of these with my copy of openSUSE 10.2...


Windows uses the EULA as a legal way of forcing its customers to pay for the privilege of not being sued for a copy of their software. That is exactly what the deal with Novell and Xandros does. The customers who purchase the free Linux from those companies then become Microsoft customers.
Oh, I'm a Microsoft consumer? So I should start reporting the bugs to Microsoft and no in the Novell bugzilla, true? Anyway... why being a Microsoft customer is something bad???
And at this pont I should note that Wikipedia says an EULA is "a memorandum of contract between a producer and a user of computer software which grants the user a software license". There should be something wrong in this article, because they are defining "EULA" without using the word "evil"... and everybody knows an EULA is by definition something evil.


In this way Linux and many other open source programs are being subverted while everyone sits around like a herd of cows and watches it happen. In fact many open source enthusiasts are helping it to happen by using the SUSE and Xandros distributions. The more people that use these distributions the more power is given to Microsoft to continue their takeover of Linux. Make no doubt about it. That is what Microsoft is trying to do and if effective action is not taken to prevent that then that is what Microsoft will do.
Oh, I'm supposed to "make no doubt about it"? Sorry...

dca
September 14th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Hmmm, if Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer were asked which server OS that's NOT Windows Server 2003 a company should use, they would answer SLES10... ...and probably hand you a coupon....