Two Tier Internet?

[Officer Dibble]

Really don't like the look of this... hope it doesn't happen...

Two Tier Internet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6983375.stm)

[n3tfury]

lol, the US justice department. land of the free?

[stalker145]

Really don't like the look of this... hope it doesn't happen...

Two Tier Internet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6983375.stm)

Yeah, loooks bad from here also. By my thinking, if RoadRunner here in Eastern North Carolina can't even get traffic stable as it is, how are they going to get by charging for priority traffic and content? I guess people like me that wouldn't pay the toll would be stuck looking at our RoadRunner home page (http://www.timewarnercable.com/easterncarolina/products/internet/roadrunner.html)

Yahhh, freedom in the U.S. :roll:

[n3tfury]

Yeah, loooks bad from here also. By my thinking, if RoadRunner here in Eastern North Carolina can't even get traffic stable as it is, how are they going to get by charging for priority traffic and content? I guess people like me that wouldn't pay the toll would be stuck looking at our RoadRunner home page (http://www.timewarnercable.com/easterncarolina/products/internet/roadrunner.html)

Yahhh, freedom in the U.S. :roll:

i also have roadrunner here in NY and just moved from the west coast a few months ago where i thoroughly enjoyed cox cable for 6+ years of broadband access. so much more stable than roadrunner. i'd like to get verizon's FIOS, but since verizon supports charging for certain content, i think i'll pass.

[bobbocanfly]

I dont really get how they are going to implement this. It certainly wouldnt work at server level as Apache would just be forked and all the offending code removed. Large ISP Router level would need a really fast and really big database which would still slow the internet down by a lot. Wouldnt work at browser level either as Firefox/any other browser would be forked.

Are there any papers available describing how they are planning to implement this or is it still just a thought?

[Officer Dibble]

I dont really get how they are going to implement this. It certainly wouldnt work at server level as Apache would just be forked and all the offending code removed. Large ISP Router level would need a really fast and really big database which would still slow the internet down by a lot. Wouldnt work at browser level either as Firefox/any other browser would be forked.

Are there any papers available describing how they are planning to implement this or is it still just a thought?

There is definitely paperwork on the matter, but as to whether there has been any "thought" on the matter is another question... :)

Read this from the FCC Website:

INTERNET TRAFFIC PRIORITISATION: AN OVERVIEW (http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/43/63/38405781.pdf)

[n3tfury]

this is also a good read on DPI (Deep Packet Inspection)

http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/deep-packet-inspection-meets-net-neutrality.ars

[dca]

I, too, have RoadRunner through Brighthouse in my area. I pay an arm & a leg for the fastest connection known to humans that I rarely get a chance to enjoy myself... This is a shame...

[bobbocanfly]

I, too, have RoadRunner through Brighthouse in my area. I pay an arm & a leg for the fastest connection known to humans that I rarely get a chance to enjoy myself... This is a shame...

Answer to that problem: Download every distro's (preferably DVD) ISO and set up a mirror. Thatd use up some bandwidth :D


There is definitely paperwork on the matter, but as to whether there has been any "thought" on the matter is another question...

Read this from the FCC Website:

INTERNET TRAFFIC PRIORITISATION: AN OVERVIEW

Thats quite a good paper, explains it all well. It does say that large chunks of the network would have to be rethought and Backbone Router Software rewritten which IMHO really isnt the best way forward for the Internet.

[LowSky]

i have Optimum (aka iO aka Cablevision)

i pay for their basic service 15Mb/s

I odnt think I have ever seen anything move that quick...

I wish I lived in South Korea, they have a much faster standard then the US, mostly because it a ll new infrastructer, compared to the US where everything is a patchwork of new and old infrastructure. It is what sucks about having such a large country that cost too much to properly upgrade quickly.

[rolnics]

i have Optimum (aka iO aka Cablevision)

i pay for their basic service 15Mb/s


Wow, can only dream of that kinda speed over here in the UK!! I'm only on 2Mb/s at the moment!

But yeah I hope that two tier internet doesn't happen! hey time will tell!

[Officer Dibble]

Wow, can only dream of that kinda speed over here in the UK!! I'm only on 2Mb/s at the moment!

But yeah I hope that two tier internet doesn't happen! hey time will tell!

Such a thing did exist for a short while, in a way. When you had your Subscription Bulletin Boards, CompuServe's and AOL's dominating useful content - but this was only for a short while.

My first modem was 2.4Kbps, then a 9.6Kbps, then 14.4Kbps, then a 28.8Kbps, then a 33.6Kbps, then a 56.6Kbps... I never bothered with other options after this until NTL (now Virgin Media) introduced their 256Kbps cable connection... after trying the topmost speeds cable providers have been offering, I'm satisfied to just sit on 2Mbps... speed is only relative to the needs, if something is going to take more than a few minutes, I make a cup of tea... more than that then I go for a walk, maybe an incidental chat with my family... all of this only while I am using the computer of course... :)

[forrestcupp]

i have Optimum (aka iO aka Cablevision)

i pay for their basic service 15Mb/s

I odnt think I have ever seen anything move that quick...

I wish I lived in South Korea, they have a much faster standard then the US, mostly because it a ll new infrastructer, compared to the US where everything is a patchwork of new and old infrastructure. It is what sucks about having such a large country that cost too much to properly upgrade quickly.

Are you sure you don't mean 1.5Mb/s? That is what a lot of people call standard. I have 6.0MB/s through Comcast and that is their fastest service. Their standard is 3.0. I've never heard of anyone offering 15MB/s as their standard.

[backinthecity]

from what i hear the average in asia is somewheres around. 65Mb/s

[Coldkill]

Are you guys talking about this?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i223/Coldkill666/100mbps.jpg

[pelle.k]

I have a 8mbit connection, and that is pretty much the most basic one. People ususally go for the 24mbit connections, but quite a few of my friends have 100mbit connections.
That goes for pretty much all of sweden, because our government get really cranky if anyone is left out because they live "in the wrong place".

How will this affect non US citizens?

[starcraft.man]

I got 3 Mb/s up here and I'm comforted knowing my connection is not throttled in the least (I've thoroughly tested to be sure).

I just can't believe how we get so screwed in NA when it comes to net access, at this rate the rest of the world is poised to leave us in their dust (and that may have serious impact, the internet as we know is a great economic asset when used right). Worst of all I think is that many places still have dial up. It would appear that getting the government to regulate/back net access as an essential service (as was done with rural electricity) may be our only solution if companies continue to screw us...

[Officer Dibble]

Are you guys talking about this?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i223/Coldkill666/100mbps.jpg

No matey, we're talking about relative transfer speeds that Internet Service Providers offer. The speeds that are/should be accomplished between the computer and the company that provides access to the Internet.

If you had two computers on your desk with the same network card you have in your computer. They would be able to 'communicate' at 100Mbps over you Local Area Network (LAN) or computers in your home.

Connecting over the Internet for the general user is a lot slower than if the computers were in the same room or more directly connected.

Does that help?

[Officer Dibble]

Maybe the Internet being split wouldn't be such a bad thing?

Consider for a moment what I said earlier about the likes of Subscription Bulletin Boards, CompuServe, and AOL. They were Kings until the WWW eventually made them pretty much redundant.

Commercialism is very much present on the Web, but just imagine it separated off into a little world of its own. The other half would be left to survivors and innovators like us. It would be a place ideal to Linux users.

Anyway, as for Internet 'speeds'... read this and weep... :popcorn:

File Download Time Calculator (http://www.martindalecenter.com/AATimeCalc.html)

[Dimitriid]

We need a new global network where American Corporations ( and to a lesser extent, americans who support them directly or indirectly ) are not allowed. In fact a place where no profit centered organizations are allowed.

[forrestcupp]

Dang! I guess I just live in the wrong place. 6Mb/s is the absolute fastest I can get with cable internet. It costs like $40 a month, too with modem rental.

[Fbot1]

I don't think a tiered internet is bad but it has to be done extremely well and probably would require a change in HTTP. The way they want to do it just seems like a scam.