Anyone here hate Internet Explorer?

[Stex]

Hey, are there many of you that share my distaste for Internet Explorer from the view of a webdesigner/webdeveloper? I hate it very much and being on linux I leave testing on IE until the very end which leads me to utter despair as it never works with my full standards xhtml and css.

I've got a spare domain name from a hosting plan and thought a site for people to rant about coding would be a fun endevour. I'm not talking about a constructive place for help/solutions, just a place to rant. It's in jest of course and would be a really small, anonymous, site where people just... have a go at IE.

So I wonder, do you think this is a good idea? And if you do what would be a good domain? I was thinking things like accursedIE.com but maybe you could find a funkier adjective http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/accursed :p

Notes:
- I'm not bringing microsoft the company or windows into this at all, everything is a (fun) flame at IE
- I'm not encouraging people to block IE. In fact, in a strange way, I'm kind of promoting the support of it

[LaRoza]

Hey, are there many of you that share my distaste for Internet Explorer from the view of a webdesigner/webdeveloper? I hate it very much and being on linux I leave testing on IE until the very end which leads me to utter despair as it never works with my full standards xhtml and css.

Notes:
- I'm not bringing microsoft the company or windows into this at all, everything is a (fun) flame at IE
- I'm not encouraging people to block IE. In fact, in a strange way, I'm kind of promoting the support of it

I follow the standards and I get things working in IE, although I wish I didn't have to.

IE makes me sick, especially IE6, IE7 isn't so bad, although I don't use it for browsing.

When I design a site, the dreaded test is the IE test.

Not able to think of a name, sorry.

[init1]

Hey, are there many of you that share my distaste for Internet Explorer from the view of a webdesigner/webdeveloper? I hate it very much and being on linux I leave testing on IE until the very end which leads me to utter despair as it never works with my full standards xhtml and css.

I've got a spare domain name from a hosting plan and thought a site for people to rant about coding would be a fun endevour. I'm not talking about a constructive place for help/solutions, just a place to rant. It's in jest of course and would be a really small, anonymous, site where people just... have a go at IE.

So I wonder, do you think this is a good idea? And if you do what would be a good domain? I was thinking things like accursedIE.com but maybe you could find a funkier adjective http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/accursed :p

Notes:
- I'm not bringing microsoft the company or windows into this at all, everything is a (fun) flame at IE
- I'm not encouraging people to block IE. In fact, in a strange way, I'm kind of promoting the support of it
From a web developer's viewpoint? IE has support for useful javascript and other features that Firefox does not. I do not complain about that. Bad browser, but better support.

[alphomega]

IE 7 still doesnt support all the CSS 2 selectors. Great how one browser can hold back the web.

Oh anyone really use XHTML? IE 7 still does not support application/xml so we are still serving pages as text/html - well no wonder XHTML 2 will never arrive whats the point!

Im up for having a go at IE and anything that uses the trident engine eg AOL

[original_jamingrit]

IE6 faints at the sight of most Javascript attacks that other browsers would shrug off.

Also, two and a half words: Active X plugins.

[Iceni]

I don't really mind - I test my pages in every other browser and then try IE. Unless its for a company or anything else I get paid for I don't care, just leave a small note about better browsers. Opera and Firefox shows stuff differently as well.

That being said, IE7 is a quite good browser (from a user's perspective).

[izizzle]

I started hating it ever since I started using firefox. However, I REALLY have ie7, very bad design and functionality.

[steven8]

No. I don't hate it. It's always worked okay for me.

[Neostar]

The thing I hate most about IE are it's inability to support transparent PNG images ](*,)

[GFree678]

Yup. I'm always a little depressed since how widespread its use is and how much ignorance people have of better solutions. Then I remind myself it's not my problem, so I forget it.

[Billy_McBong]

sounds like a great idea for a site

make sure you post the domain once you make it

[kuja]

The last time I designed something IE had me banging my head against the wall. I H-A-T-E IE!!!! With a passion!

[curuxz]

the biggest problem on the internet and the worst thing for web designers. IE

I cant say how much I hate this, there simply is no limit.

[stuh84]

The amount of times I have had to bodge code and use work arounds to make XHTML/CSS compliant pages work in IE is beyond belief.

I cannot believe how after all this time, they still cannot display pages built to standards correctly. Worse of all, the amount of sites which only work in IE......aargh, I prefer the term Internet Exploder myself.......

[rharriso]

They completely changed around teh FTP look. Now it is completely useless.

[23meg]

I cannot believe how after all this time, they still cannot display pages built to standards correctly.

It's not that they can't; they don't.

[userundefine]

Yes I really hate IE. I wish the IE team would just get over themselves and adopt Gecko. Or KHTML. Or license Opera's rendering engine. Have you EVER tried to debug javascript in IE? Oh my god.

Worst software ever.

le sigh

[Dropbear]

IE would have to be the world's most troublesome piece of software. IE4 was probably the worst.

[LaRoza]

From a web developer's viewpoint? IE has support for useful javascript and other features that Firefox does not. I do not complain about that. Bad browser, but better support.
If you are using Standard ECMAScript with the DOM, as I do, IE support is lacking.

[DamjanDimitrioski]

No, i don't hate the slow ie, but if i see one of the developers of ie, i can terminate them.

[LaRoza]

No, i don't hate the slow ie, but if i see one of the developers of ie, i can terminate them.

Don't blame the developers, after all, MS bought IE and mangled it from there.

[curuxz]

would it not be easier to have a who LIKES IE thread?

we may finally be able to work out who bill gates' user is on these forums ;)

[insane_alien]

in one of my forays into webdesign(i'm not really that into it, i just take a mild interest from time to time.) i made a website. i looked up the standards to make sure everything i was doing was correct. everything was fine. i even found a checker program that said it was 100% compatible. tried it in firefox looked fine, loaded it up on the server, told all my frieds and they said it sucked the *** of a dead donkey. i looked in IE and seen what they ment.

didn't change anything because i don't know anyworkarounds. told everyone to use something standards compliant.

hopefully MS will realise there is no point producing nonstandards compliant software like there is not point producing narrow guage trains for standard guage track.

[Bungo Pony]

I was using Netscape for the longest time before I realized that I didn't have much of a choice to switch to IE since it was much faster at loading web pages. I put up with so much crashing from that POS. When I finally discovered Opera, I quit using IE (except for one site which requires it)

[bonzodog]

I don't know, i've never used it before. Seriously. NEVER. My first experience on the net was with netscape navigator, on a Linux machine. I have used windows, but it always had Firefox/phoenix/Netscape already installed, and thats what i stuck with.

I never really understood or knew what Active X was, I just assume it's some sort of proprietary MS plugin that screws up websites. Everytime I stumble into one, I have it taken down/hacked/spammed into hell.

[kuja]

No, i don't hate the slow ie, but if i see one of the developers of ie, i can terminate them.
It's not really the fault of the developers. In all honesty from what I've seen/read they actually look pretty bright. The people you need to blame are their bosses, their bosses bosses, etc.

[LaRoza]

. The people you need to blame are their bosses, their bosses bosses, etc.

PHB

[23meg]

http://i18.tinypic.com/68hto2x.png

[miggols99]

Yes. I blocked Internet Explorer from doing anything with a firewall. Then my sister (who used to hate Firefox) said "unblock internet explorer!!" but I said no, use firefox. She said about a week later "this is so much faster! It doesn't take ages to go to a different tab!" so I converted them :) Next to convert them to Linux. They've seen Compiz Fusion, and my sister is impressed ;)

[katasuka]

IE makes me horribly angry. its slow, its annoying, its layout sucks butt and it seems to like to render fonts the way it wants despite TELLING it to redent a font to a certain size.

i recently was working on a site, it was a beautiful site. fully complient. rendered wonderfully in firefox on ubuntu. i put it up to test it on the server and had my roommates mother (windows xp with IE7) view it to see how it looked. come to find out IE wanted to render the fonts much larger than they were supposed to be. i went over there to look at it and sure enough IE fudged up my beautiful design. pissed me off horribly.

Well, i tried to fix it but by fixing it it made the page non complient and also made it mess up on some other browsers. so i had to redo it. the redo was a very very very simple layout and it worked. IE IS STUPID!

i think anyone who thinks IE is great needs to try firefox. if they dont like firefox, try freaking k-ninja or k-meleon or opera or something. just dont use IE its evil and just wrong and will shorten you lifespan!

[popch]

It's called Internet Explorer? I've always thought it was Exploder!

[LaRoza]

It's called Internet Explorer? I've always thought it was Exploder!

Internet Explorer, i.e. Internet Exploder

[blueturtl]

Here are two links I think everyone who hates IE can enjoy:

Kill Bill's Browser - Switch to Firefox (http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/)

and finally

Internet Explorer is EVIL (http://toastytech.com/evil/index.html)

For the latter site, I have to say this guy makes you guys look like Bill Gates fanboys. :D

Enjoy...

[kelvin spratt]

Only use Ie for Xp updates takes about 5 mins to start up then seems to work ok till i reboot, FF works flawless and handles Java well.

[init1]

They completely changed around teh FTP look. Now it is completely useless.
FTP kills IE.

[goumples]

I will never use IE again.. I tried firefox and opera a few years ago, and have never looked back. Unfortunately I still have 1 windows machine left, and the only browser that works with windows update is IE.. but other than that IE is garbage.

[anindya.baruah]

IE always works fine for me. Sometimes I only need to make very minor modifications to my code to get it to work properly with IE. And with the help of the IE Tab firefox extension its even easier to make sure that the design is working fine with IE. :D

And I don't hate IE even though I don't use it. Infact I like IE 7 with its address bar at the top and the hidden menu bar. :)

[hobieone]

did you even have to ask if anyone hated it. ie the headache it causes. i don't think internetnet exploder is an acurate discription for it more like internet virus and spyware magnet would be more accurate

[Stex]

It's good to know I'm not alone! Some of those messages were pretty funny.

I've written the site I described and have put it up to see how it goes. I decided that for added irony I'd try for a web2.0 look (as IE is holding back that kind of thing) as well as nice CSS rounded corners, except in opera which seems to have ditched that. It doesn't look so great but it's a first draft and if anyone wants to help with images that'd be awesome.

So if anyone wants to join in and post a rant then please have a gander: http://fullvolume.co.uk/ie/

And, yes, it's unlikely to render properly in IE but I haven't tested it and that feels good :)

[RJARRRPCGP]

Yes. I blocked Internet Explorer from doing anything with a firewall. Then my sister (who used to hate Firefox) said "unblock internet explorer!!" but I said no, use firefox. She said about a week later "this is so much faster! It doesn't take ages to go to a different tab!" so I converted them :) Next to convert them to Linux. They've seen Compiz Fusion, and my sister is impressed ;)


That's what I have to do with copies of Windows XP that Microsoft claims is non-genuine!

Microsoft, ATM, won't block security hotfixes, especially if I download them myself and run them manually!

In fact, I only lost out on the following:

Internet Explorer 7

and

Windows Media Player 11

Internet Explorer 7 and Windows Media Player 11 are the only ones that has the demand-validation-when-using-it garbage!

[greymongrey]

Windows might not be nearly as bad if they didn't have IE and then tie it to the kernel. IE takes a bad situation and make it worse.

[Happy_Man]

I don't hate IE, per se. I just think they could have done a better job with it. For years now, they had IE 6 which was...... not so good when compared to Opera and Firefox. IE 7 is a step in the right direction.

They do need to hammer stuff out though. Their current tab implementation (which appears to be load a separate instance of the browser renderer into every tab) is slow and could be better. They need to make it fully OS-independent (not saying they should release a Linux version, but try and make it so that the OS doesn't need it to function). They need to make some UI improvements (the current one reminds me of diseased water). They also have to raise awareness of stuff like RSS, so that the normal layperson can take advantage of them more easily. Other than that, IE 7 is a great browser for the normal user.

[sloggerkhan]

IE 6 is something from hell.... we use it on all the machines at my job because of some government refusal to allow ff. (The policy is 'if a user asks you to install something for them, do it, unless it's firefox. We do not support firefox.') I think it's because everyone uses IE6 w/ run as in a lame attempt to create a sudo equivalent for windows.

[macogw]

who DOESNT IE after they've learned to use CSS?

[angryfirelord]

IE 7 is actually pretty good. IE 6 was pretty bad and slow at everything.

[LookTJ]

IE7 takes a load more memory than IE6 and slower browsing than IE6.

[angryfirelord]

IE7 takes a load more memory than IE6 and slower browsing than IE6.
Hmm, I had the opposite effect. IE 7 was faster for me and actually took up less RAM on my machine.

[bobbybobington]

I never really hated IE, I just tried firefox one day and used it from then on because it was better.

[victorgreen]

yes

[iPower]

i never tested my webpage with MSIE

[ahaslam]

Anyone here hate Internet Explorer?

Dunno, daren't use it ;)