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MattDTownsend
July 18th, 2007, 11:37 AM
Ronnie,

I just had a look at the Full Circle Magazine. Looks like you all are doing a fine job -- getting a magazine off the ground isn't easy!

I've got a few critiques on design that you may find worthwhile:

- First, nice improvements over the previous issue. Less stylistic, I think, but far more printable.

- If this is something that's downloaded and printed rather than bound and mailed, you should consider your format a bit more. It looks like you may be designing with facing pages in Scribus, but I imagine most or all will be reading this one page at a time. For example, why do the numbers change sides?

- Think about using a serif font for the body text. Serifed fonts are easier to read and lack the blockiness of some sanserif fonts. The font your are using kind of blends together and sparkles a little.

- Another printing concern: I don't like the white headlines on light brown backs. Not easy to read on screen, probably not much better on paper.

- Add more white space. This is especially important if you stick with a sanserif body font. Make the gutters and margins a bit wider, and the page will look cleaner. On pages with a lot of content (e.g. 16), a lack of white space can make the page look confusing or jumbled.

- OR consider using light rule lines to help separate content. Try one down the gutter?

- Is there no masthead? If not, include your e-mail on the editorial page.

- Something about the way images are used with stories doesn't quite feel right. Maybe that's because most are around the same size? Ah. This is part: you should include a border around some images, it can be quite light, but you need to offset them from the paper. Example, Grandma photo on page 18 -- the white in the photo just goes into the page, artificially trapping white space.

- Include drop caps in some stories.

- Consider using pull quotes to highlight elements and break up text. Like on the Grandma story, a "I can't get my games to work anymore!", or somesuch.

- Make question/answer articles more obvious. Even just adding a Q. or an A. Bold doesn't cut it.

Most important:

- Reconsider white headlines...not enough contrast.

- Borders around the images that fall into the page, or use consistent white space to set them off. Great designs are done either way, so give it some thought.

- More white space, especially in the gutter.

Thanks for listening to my nonsense. I think you've got a great product in the works, and I look forward to seeing it actually in print, some day! Take that, Windows Magazine! And the hundred other ones that useless O.S. has.

linuxgeekery
July 18th, 2007, 04:25 PM
Thanks for the feedback! :) Currently, we aren't planning to to do mass printing of this stuff - maybe a few copies here and there - but nothing like an established print magazine. We might consider that in the future, but printing a magazine takes money, which is something we don't have.

About the design - we previously decided on a design and committed ourselves to it for several issues - it's kind of hard to change the design every issue, plus it's inconsistent for our readers.

sampbar
July 18th, 2007, 05:42 PM
"nothing like an established print magazine" says linuxgeekery... that is a controversial topic as i would like to see it being printed and distrubuted with the shipit cd's but lets not start that :)

MetalMusicAddict
July 18th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Too bad the internet has killed the 'zine. :(

Band B
July 18th, 2007, 09:15 PM
Just an idea:
Is it much work to make 2 issues: one normal, and one made to print at home (as litlle as possible use of bgcolors, ...)

Greetings
B&B

linuxgeekery
July 19th, 2007, 06:14 AM
As for printing at home - I doubt it would be too hard to get a B&W version using Scribus. Ronnie? :)

Sampbar is right: the print issue is currently being debated. I was just saying that we _currently_ don't have plans for printing. That doesn't mean we can't print later ;-)

mrmonday
July 19th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Something no one has mentioned yet, is our discussion about POD (print on demand). These services allow the magazine to be printed and shipped to people on request. I found a few good deals, but the problem was that we weren't sure people would pay that amount for a magazine, and that people might think we were making profit (we wouldn't be).

Anygood suggestions on overcomingthese problems would be great :)

ronniet
July 19th, 2007, 09:35 PM
As for printing at home - I doubt it would be too hard to get a B&W version using Scribus. Ronnie? :)

You go to your PDF viewer menu, choose print, go to your printer settings and force it to print all colour items as black and white.

Voila! One b&w issue... :KS

Band B
July 20th, 2007, 10:11 AM
As for printing at home - I doubt it would be too hard to get a B&W version using Scribus. Ronnie? :)

I didn't meant a B&W version, I still want my pictures in color. But Justas little background colors as possible.

B&B

mrmonday
July 20th, 2007, 03:05 PM
There are barely any background colours anyway? :confused:

ronniet
July 21st, 2007, 06:47 PM
Just thought i'd address some of your critiques, keep 'em coming! :)



- If this is something that's downloaded and printed rather than bound and mailed, you should consider your format a bit more. It looks like you may be designing with facing pages in Scribus, but I imagine most or all will be reading this one page at a time. For example, why do the numbers change sides?

Yep, issues #0 to #3 were created with facing pages in Scribus. I'll probably change this in my Scribus settings for #4 but people can override the facing page setting in their PDF viewer...



- Add more white space. This is especially important if you stick with a sanserif body font. Make the gutters and margins a bit wider, and the page will look cleaner. On pages with a lot of content (e.g. 16), a lack of white space can make the page look confusing or jumbled.
- OR consider using light rule lines to help separate content. Try one down the gutter?


I agree, the gutter will probably be widened for #4. I did suggest a few vertical lines in the gutter to separate things but i was shot down in flames *cough* mrmonday *cough* :D


- Is there no masthead? If not, include your e-mail on the editorial page.

Fair point but my email address is on the last page with contribution and meeting info...



- Include drop caps in some stories.

Yeah, that's a possibility i'll look into...



- Consider using pull quotes to highlight elements and break up text. Like on the Grandma story, a "I can't get my games to work anymore!", or somesuch.

Yep, that's something I spotted in a printed magazine and was going to try in #3 but forgot, so i'll maybe put it into #4 also.



Thanks for listening to my nonsense. I think you've got a great product in the works, and I look forward to seeing it actually in print, some day! Take that, Windows Magazine! And the hundred other ones that useless O.S. has.

Not nonsense at all, all criticism is welcome. Without it we'd still be using the brown design (which wasn't entirely my idea i'd like to point out to people! :D ) But people also need to remember that Scribus is -- at times -- a major pain in the butt to work with and has a lot of nice things missing like having styles for photo's, nice soft drop shadows and what-not. But... hey, gotta be thankful for what we've got... :)

Anyway thanks again for taking the time to read the mag and point out the design flaws. :KS