If Ubuntu Were A Political Party What Would It Be?

[lepz]

And please say why. ;)

[Hallvor]

Based on Ubuntu? Ubuntu is an ideology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28ideology%29

[lepz]

Based on Ubuntu? Ubuntu is an ideology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28ideology%29

Communism is an ideology ;)

[~LoKe]

Liberal.

[SunnyRabbiera]

I would say mostly libritarian

[init1]

A mix of Liberal and Communism. Mostly Communism. Liberal because liberals tend to like change, and Windows users had to change and adjust to a new system.
http://zapatopi.net/themes/commielinux107.png

[mindtrick]

Libertarian Socialist

[Hallvor]

Communism is an ideology ;)

And your point is... :confused:

[Keen101]

libritarian no doubt. :)


But for anyone who does not know what a libritarian is, then please google it! It is not the same as liberal!




-keen101

[happy-and-lost]

It would be The Monster Raving Loony Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_raving_loony_party)

"Vote for insanity. You know it makes sense." - Screaming Lord Sutch

[Kimm]

Libertarian Socialist

ditto

I quote (wikipedia): "every person would have free, equal access to tools of information and production."

[lepz]

What! no one thinks it's republican? ;)

[Adamant1988]

Definitely socialist in my mind, maybe with a mix of libertarian...

[daveisadork]

Libertarian... Open source is about freedom. Communism/socialism/modern liberalism have nothing to do with freedom.

[tehkain]

Libertarian/ Repub like paul

[Omnios]

It would be all of the above and they would all get together and argue and flame each other.

[ltk5]

Socialist. Maybe also libretarian, but I have to check what that means:confused:

[Hex_Mandos]

ARI (http://www.ari.org.ar)

[23meg]

It's hard to average the whole phenomenon of Ubuntu out to one rough ideological category, but with that obligatory disclaimer out of the way, I'd pick socialism if I had to.

[juxtaposed]

Communism/socialism/modern liberalism have nothing to do with freedom.

On the contrary, communism is about freedom, just with some emphasis on class war :)

[original_jamingrit]

The tagline is "Linux for Humans". You have a right to control what happens on your hard drives, without infringing on any copyright/proprietary laws. But Ubuntu aims to be good for casual users, so it's not a technocracy either (or at least, it won't be:wink:). Communism as we know it today might be too broad a term for it, but Ubuntu is definitely not capitalist, although it is possible to make money off of Open Source.


Libertarian Socialist

I think this guy got it right. So it probably can't be equated to any existing major political party in the States or otherwise. Maybe some Marxist parties(that's a big maybe).

[JustinAlf]

I'm one of the very few here that says republican, or perhaps libertarian, although conservative would best fit. Conservative thinking would state it's no ones specific job to make ubuntu bettor, but if you want to use it, you should donate some effort into it.. Ubuntu is the best becuase of the donation of time and effort the community puts into it, not becuase someone forces you to make it bettor. Just my thought.

[forrestcupp]

Ubuntu is an operating system. You use it to type emails, edit photos, etc. Computers and operating systems are not used to represent politics, ideologies, or moralities; they are used to perform tasks regardless of what the user's personality is. Computers don't have minds, emotions, desires. They are machines that perform tasks for us.

[Ralob]

Libertarian

[igknighted]

Ubuntu is an operating system. You use it to type emails, edit photos, etc. Computers and operating systems are not used to represent politics, ideologies, or moralities; they are used to perform tasks regardless of what the user's personality is. Computers don't have minds, emotions, desires. They are machines that perform tasks for us.

OP never specified Ubuntu the software.

Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'.

Applying this definition to Ubuntu I believe the question is perfectly valid, and I think socialist/communist is the best fit.

[ThinkBuntu]

Ubuntu would be a socialist, riding on the coattails of Debian, the communist!

[BarfBag]

Libertarian.

[ThinkBuntu]

Libertarian.
I'm Libertarian and we believe in little government regulation which is usually big business-friendly. Granted, I think that Microsoft's simply committing the robbery of the century by not being prosecuted with anti-trust laws to this point, so it's an exception to the rule.

[nrs]

I think it could be any of the above, different reasons for each. I think if it were born out of a political movement though, the left would be more likely. This is just an observation, but most GNU/Linux users I know are generally leftish, at least socially.

I don't think Communism is a very good description because of the extreme anti-freedom cogitations it has, Communism forces itself on you vs you making a conscious decision to accept it.

I think Libertarianism would be a better description for the BSDs.

[argie]

If I had to say, I'd say left and libertarian?

Like if you use this site's drawing:
http://politicalcompass.org
Then it'd be in the left bottom square.

[ThinkBuntu]

If I had to say, I'd say left and libertarian?
Libertarian is far-right.

[nrs]

Libertarian is far-right.

Only in American mainstream usage. Libertarianism is just extreme anti-authoritarianism and has left as well as right wing currents AFAIK. the latter being dominant in American Libertarianism

[argie]

Libertarian is far-right.

I intended to mean something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

EDIT: Though upon a little reflection, that's not entirely accurate. I'm just biased because that's the system I favour.

[lepz]

I intended to mean something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

EDIT: Though upon a little reflection, that's not entirely accurate. I'm just biased because that's the system I favour.

Nope that's definitely not right-wing :lolflag:

[konungursvia]

It would be the French socialists. All talking about left leaning principles, but really hoping for big profits.

[igknighted]

I think it could be any of the above, different reasons for each. I think if it were born out of a political movement though, the left would be more likely. This is just an observation, but most GNU/Linux users I know are generally leftish, at least socially.

I don't think Communism is a very good description because of the extreme anti-freedom cogitations it has, Communism forces itself on you vs you making a conscious decision to accept it.

I think Libertarianism would be a better description for the BSDs.

Communism is in no way inherently anti-freedom. In fact, Marx's basic theory behind communism is that people should have the right to do whatever they want with their productive powers (ie what they make). They should not be a detached third party to their work, but rather take an active interest because they were doing what they truely desired. A modern day example would be companies today that pay developers to work on whatever OSS project they desire, while other companies drive developers to code pieces of software that they have no real love for.

If you are refering to the repression seen in China and the USSR, those were dictatorships, very very far from communism. They had planned economics and big governments. Communism is more about less government. True ommunism says, F the government and F the corporations, we can share and take care of ourselves. True conservatism says F the government, the market will do us right.


This fact simply means that the object that labor produces, it product,
stands opposed to it as _something alien_, as a power independent of the
producer. The product of labor is labor embodied and made material in
an object, it is the _objectification_ of labor. The realization of
labor is its objectification. In the sphere of political economy, this
realization of labor appears as a _loss of reality_ for the worker,
objectification as loss of and bondage to the object, and appropriation
as estrangement, as _alienation_

Read the whole section on estranged labor here: http://marx.eserver.org/1844-ep.manuscripts/1st.manuscript/4-estranged.labor.txt

EDIT: Efter reading the wikipedia of the libertarian socialists, this seems very close to Marx in ideology.

[algy]

A communality the word doesn't exist and is a mix of commune and commonality.
Really like the flag:o

[lepz]

A communality the word doesn't exist and is a mix of commune and commonality.
Really like the flag:o

it does (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/communality) ;)

[forrestcupp]

OP never specified Ubuntu the software.


Applying this definition to Ubuntu I believe the question is perfectly valid, and I think socialist/communist is the best fit.

Good point, but I think we can assume that is what was implied.

[lepz]

Good point, but I think we can assume that is what was implied.

If I were you I would not assume anything. Also before you assume perhaps it would be a good idea if you actually read the thread question.Let me show the first word of it. I will do it big for you, please feel free to run off crying to the mods again, just like you did last time.

the word >> If

[forrestcupp]

If I were you I would not assume anything. Also before you assume perhaps it would be a good idea if you actually read the thread question.Let me show the first word of it. I will do it big for you, please feel free to run off crying to the mods again, just like you did last time.

the word >> If

Wow! when did I run off crying to the mods? I don't remember that one.

I will concede to the "if" thing though. But everyone's entitled to their opinion, and mine is that it's just an operating system.

[user481516]

The current Open Source movement fulfills many of Karl Marx’s suggestions in the Estranged Labour section of the Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844. Marx expresses the need for a great change in the capitalist frame of mind. He claims that in a capitalist economy, the worker “sinks to the level of… the most wretched of commodities,” and through their production they become alienated from themselves. The objects they labor upon become private property of the capitalist. The worker becomes a slave to the capitalist and the more they produce, the more alienated they become.

In the Open Source movement, great production can occur with absolutely no monetary incentive and no alienation from one’s labor. Groups of skilled professionals, in which all members have a common goal, produce a common product and all their goods, labor, and knowledge are intentionally licensed to the public. Marx's explanation of how true communism would function and manifest itself is lacking and ambiguous. No attempt to completely overturn a complex capitalist society, impose communism, and fulfill Marxist ideals, has succeeded. The Open Source movement provides us, on a smaller scale, with a concrete example of a functioning communist model.

[LaRoza]

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