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Jaxilian
June 18th, 2007, 01:56 PM
About Microsoft and Linux issues: Is Ubuntu thinking of going the same way as Novell, Xandos and Linspire?
Is there any statement from the Ubuntu team about this?

Please provide links if ya have them :D

LaRoza
June 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM
http://www.ubuntu.com/



The Ubuntu Promise
Ubuntu will always be free of charge, including enterprise releases and security updates.
Ubuntu comes with full commercial support from Canonical and hundreds of companies around the world.
Ubuntu includes the very best translations and accessibility infrastructure that the free software community has to offer.
Ubuntu CDs contain only free software applications; we encourage you to use free and open source software, improve it and pass it on.

I like to believe them.

Seisen
June 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM
What exactly do you mean, as in they are going to start charginng like Xandros, Linspire, etc...

Golyadkin
June 18th, 2007, 02:01 PM
Mark Shuttleworth himself states in his blog (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127):


There’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc. Unfortunately, some speculation in the media (thoroughly and elegantly debunked in the blogosphere but not before the damage was done) posited that “Ubuntu might be next”.

For the record, let me state my position, and I think this is also roughly the position of Canonical and the Ubuntu Community Council though I haven’t caucused with the CC on this specifically.

We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements.

Nezing
June 18th, 2007, 02:31 PM
I too read,on another site,"noise" about M$,and Ubuntu.If Redmond is doing (trying),to do deals with linux,and accuse the Open Source community,of violating their patents,etc,then they must know that the writing is on the wall for them.I remember a certain individual,and the infamous "chair throwing" incident,when a top coder left for Google.With that mentality,you can just "feel" the walls shaking. ;)

Jaxilian
June 18th, 2007, 03:01 PM
Mark Shuttleworth himself states in his blog (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127):

Sounds good

I hope they keep it that way.
Microsoft know now that their Vista ain't gonna cut it....so they go after every linux company that they can get. Poor poor M$ ...lol
I liked Linspire....too bad that they fell into Microsoft's shadow :(

Jimmyfj
June 18th, 2007, 04:00 PM
I too have seen a lot of writing about the claimed patent infringement written in smoke signals from the rubles of Redmond. I don't see how the infringements could be any more than blowing smoke though.

Correct me if I'm wrong - But isn't patents what you get on a specific way of handling a task? A certain way of attacking a certain problem with the problem solved as a second product but the thing patented being the approach itself? Not the software which is the product in which the patented approach is held.

I've been working on a patent of my own for month now. I can't get any patent on the program, and the result produced BY the program. The patent would be valid only on the physical function itself, NOT on the resulting product while this has been covered by other patents already. But having learned just how difficult it is to obtain a patent, and from growing a bit older I am seriously considering just to release my security solution through LGPL or something similar, freeing it for everyone to use and anyone to gain from.

Knowing what I know today about patents in general the M$ claim of unnamed patent infringements spoken of only as a total of 235 "infringed" M$ patents is nothing but the death struggle from a bunch of imperialistic executives having near-death-experiences and broken dreams of world domination. One could think that all the noise and rattling swords are nothing but a smokescreen to cover which patents M$ themselves are infringing. Not saying that they are infringing any, but one could be seriously surprised.

Just how long ago was it that M$ had to pay up billions of dollars in damage to the holders of the MP3 patents?

That said I too believe what the Ubuntu Promise says - Not everybody carries their brains the "Bill Gates way"

drowner
June 18th, 2007, 04:05 PM
if ubuntu sign an M$ deal, or start chargin, ill just install debian, or LinuxMint, or Mepis

etc ;)

FORZA GNU/LINUX!

CaptainInsaneO
June 18th, 2007, 09:20 PM
One of the big reasons I like Ubuntu is because they're such a thorn in Microsoft's a$$.

hardyn
June 18th, 2007, 09:34 PM
What exactly do you mean, as in they are going to start charginng like Xandros, Linspire, etc...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with charging for open source software; the principal is about closing code.

give Stallman a read if you haven't done so, its a pretty good essay... http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html

Atomic Dog
June 18th, 2007, 09:58 PM
I don't know if Ubuntu is a thorn in MS' butt. How much does Ubuntu really dent MS' bottom line? .01%???

MS won't go after the linux community in my opinion, it would be such bad PR that in the end MS would not only look like the bad guy, but also lose. Seriously, they patented what in effect is SUDO. Do you really think they can make that patent stick? No way.

CaptainInsaneO
June 19th, 2007, 04:50 AM
I don't know if Ubuntu is a thorn in MS' butt. How much does Ubuntu really dent MS' bottom line? .01%???

MS won't go after the linux community in my opinion, it would be such bad PR that in the end MS would not only look like the bad guy, but also lose. Seriously, they patented what in effect is SUDO. Do you really think they can make that patent stick? No way.

Actually, I think you'd be surprised by how many people as of late are switching to Linux. Microsoft over-hyped Vista, and when it fell short of everyone's heightened expectations, people began looking elsewhere. I've had many of my friends (AND coworkers, amazingly enough) express interest in learning Linux since I began using it simply because they've tired of Windows. In the long run, with Vista STILL not patched up with drivers issues, etc. and with Dell Computers offering Ubuntu systems, it will begin to impact Microsoft.

Just because it's a big company with a huge market share, doesn't mean it will stay that way. *Cough*Enron*Cough*.

maddog39
June 19th, 2007, 04:56 AM
I don't know if Ubuntu is a thorn in MS' butt. How much does Ubuntu really dent MS' bottom line? .01%???

MS won't go after the linux community in my opinion, it would be such bad PR that in the end MS would not only look like the bad guy, but also lose. Seriously, they patented what in effect is SUDO. Do you really think they can make that patent stick? No way.
That patent doesnt even apply to us anyway because its considered prior art, since unix has had that since like the 70's.

some_random_noob
June 19th, 2007, 04:58 AM
if ubuntu sign an M$ deal, or start chargin, ill just install debian, or LinuxMint, or Mepis

etc ;)

FORZA GNU/LINUX!
I would just get the source code, check it over for backdoors, compile and run it :D

... What could they do about me then? Besides deprive me of future updates/support? Besides, the patent claims are a load of crap. We don't even know what Ubuntu is violating in the first place, Ubuntu will just risk getting sued I guess. That's what I would do.

Golyadkin
June 19th, 2007, 08:46 AM
I would just get the source code, check it over for backdoors, compile and run it :D

Oh my :) you sure must drink a lot of coffee for that. The 2.6 Linux kernel alone already has roughly 6.73 million lines of code for you to check. And then the lets say 1000 application and program packages that are installed by default in Ubuntu? Which is many millions more. Please don't print that code even if you review easier on paper. We need the Amazon for oxygen and as a habitat for the wildlife. ;)

And you are going to compile it, then with what may I ask? With a compiler supplied by Microsoft which can be modified not to show any warnings and plants itself everywhere on your system where you can never find it again :)

:D

PartisanEntity
June 19th, 2007, 09:00 AM
Moved thread to a more relevant forum as this is not a support request.

Circus-Killer
June 19th, 2007, 09:04 AM
if that day ever came, i'de go back to gentoo.
but i have nothing to worry about, i dont believe that that day will ever come.

Nezing
June 19th, 2007, 09:13 AM
I think Vista was sold on the premise of "the Aero look".Hmnn,and I can get tons of "special effects" on linux,thanks to the very hard work of Open Source guys,and gals.The next Windows offering (late 2010),is codnamed Vienna.As in the words of a famous UK favourite pop song,from the early 80's:
"this means nothing to me....oh Vienna...." :)

dptxp
June 19th, 2007, 09:16 AM
I would prefer to pay a bit than to see a M$ Ubuntu tie up.
I simply can not tolerate any Linux tie up with M$.

Tundro Walker
June 19th, 2007, 11:28 AM
I thought MS had a "put up for shut up" ultimatum deadline they had to hit? Something along the lines of "show us the patents and let us examine everything by (this date), or get off our backs". Maybe I'm just thinking of Linus' retort to MS?

I don't think MS should go down this route. If they really want to get nit-picky, then they're going to have a hard time justifying some things. On the one hand, a lot of their code & ideas come from *nix basics. Their whole DOS was basically a hack copy of Unix CLI, but without the robust functionality. Their "Windows" were basically a hack copy of what Apple was doing. Etc, etc. Pretty soon, they'll say they have a patent on the internet, online auctions and search, trying to shove eBay and Google out of business.

And, there's certain things that are so fundamental that they're not allowed to be patented, like boat's hull. You can't have one person holding the patent to something all of humanity relies upon.

I really wish the US government would slowly phase out closed-source, commercial software, and focusing more on open-source. I wish it would install a "Dept of Computer Activities" or some-such, and X amount of budgetary tax dollars would go towards developing software that the entire country could use. It would be a constantly improving, nation-wide infrastructure OS that anyone could log on to .gov.org and d/l for use, for free, for personal or business. Put our tax dollars to work on something that is really a foundation of society these days...computers and software.

Oh noes! I'm starting to sound like a Socialist! All the Democratic Capitalists should shoot me!

hardyn
June 19th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Their whole DOS was basically a hack copy of Unix CLI, but without the robust functionality.

Technically its a CPM hack... THAT is an interesting read... the whole conception of DOS and the business tactics behind it.

vexorian
June 19th, 2007, 07:28 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong - But isn't patents what you get on a specific way of handling a task? A certain way of attacking a certain problem with the problem solved as a second product but the thing patented being the approach itself? Not the software which is the product in which the patented approach is held.

That's it, if there was any logical sense in this world ,the whole implementation of Software Patents would have never happened or it would have been very different, it would require you to show source code before making a software patent ... But thanks to Software patents some random company can just patent the "start menu" and get the right to sue anything that looks close to it.

It is a blessing software patents have only been implemented in the US though.

Jaxilian
June 19th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I hope I get to see a future without Microsoft ....before I die :D

hardyn
June 19th, 2007, 09:21 PM
the modern PC landscape is due entirely to microsoft, the home PC revolution probably would not have happened without microsoft being able to deliver affordable software to the IBM clone market.

That said, it is time for a new revolution in computing, and the business model that thrived thought the 80s is being turned on its side in the 2000s.