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Axis
May 9th, 2007, 02:31 AM
You see my mother puts me in charge of making sure our windows computer and all the stuff is running properly (I however am still rocking ubuntu :guitar: ) Anywho once my brother started looking at things he shouldn't be, to be vague he got in trouble and I am responsible for catching him and telling my mom. Well he has finally figured out how to delete his history but I don't know how to still prove that he has been looking at inappropriate sites. I need a way to see past history even after it has been deleted. (Firefox and IE) I would have put this somewhere else but I didn't know what an appropriate area would be.

Thanks,
Axis

MOS95B
May 9th, 2007, 02:33 AM
Sounds like you need to get a key-logger. A legitimate one, not one of those "almost but not quite a virus" type. I wish I could recommend the one I used to "babysit" my kids, but I don't remember the name....

fuscia
May 9th, 2007, 02:33 AM
best thread title, ever.

Iceni
May 9th, 2007, 02:43 AM
What about the cache?

Adamant1988
May 9th, 2007, 02:43 AM
You see my mother puts me in charge of making sure our windows computer and all the stuff is running properly (I however am still rocking ubuntu :guitar: ) Anywho once my brother started looking at things he shouldn't be, to be vague he got in trouble and I am responsible for catching him and telling my mom. Well he has finally figured out how to delete his history but I don't know how to still prove that he has been looking at inappropriate sites. I need a way to see past history even after it has been deleted. (Firefox and IE) I would have put this somewhere else but I didn't know what an appropriate area would be.

Thanks,
Axis

1st, if you can't prove he's still doing it, how do you know he still is? Obviously you haven't caught him. 2nd how old is he? and 3rd just get yourself some decent 'parental control' software and it'll take care of it, even if he figures out how to get around it at least one or two failed attempts to access 'unapproved' sites will be caught before he realizes what's happening.

Oh, and never tell him about bittorrent or frostwire/limewire. Seriously, you'll NEVER catch him then :P

Mateo
May 9th, 2007, 02:44 AM
how about being a good sibling and covering his tracks for him.

icechen1
May 9th, 2007, 02:44 AM
You see my mother puts me in charge of making sure our windows computer and all the stuff is running properly (I however am still rocking ubuntu :guitar: ) Anywho once my brother started looking at things he shouldn't be, to be vague he got in trouble and I am responsible for catching him and telling my mom. Well he has finally figured out how to delete his history but I don't know how to still prove that he has been looking at inappropriate sites. I need a way to see past history even after it has been deleted. (Firefox and IE) I would have put this somewhere else but I didn't know what an appropriate area would be.

Thanks,
Axis

use a word filter to block site with those word.

B. Gates
May 9th, 2007, 02:44 AM
Cache, definately. History is one thing, but the cache will prove a lot more.

If he's cleared the cache, you still have a chance of recovering at least part of it if you use a file-recovery tool.

DoctorMO
May 9th, 2007, 03:03 AM
Well if it was a linux machine you could change the permissions on the firefox settings folder preventing history from being deleted (but not added or cleared) you could also make either a process log (a running process of tail that copies the history as it's written into a protected file) or set up a cron job to copy all the info.

Seriously though the best protection is education and trust, if you don't want to be looking over your shoulder the whole time then you need to make sure you can trust what he does; I never had this problem with my parents but then I never felt the need to go on illegal sites and they never felt the need to restrict what I did. Restrictions will breed resistance but it's probably too late now.

Wiebelhaus
May 9th, 2007, 03:09 AM
Tell your mom to buy http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/System_Surveillance_Pro/1149907650/1

tehkain
May 9th, 2007, 03:13 AM
how about being a good sibling and covering his tracks for him.

Seconding this. I mean If I was you I would teaching him how to circumvent your mothers tracing. I also would have shook his hand when he figured out how to delete history and the cache. Oh wait no I'd pat him on the shoulder.. that hand is nasty. You ratting him out will only end in him 'telling' on you when you stumble in drunk one night after a mighty party.

To be honest tho, he is going to look at this stuff no matter what. Better in the comfort of his own home then in the woods with a stolen magazine.

slimdog360
May 9th, 2007, 03:28 AM
far out, just let him go for it. Everyone does whether they admit it or not.

edit: besides, its good for the upper body strength

plb
May 9th, 2007, 03:34 AM
Do you have a router? Routers tend to keep logs. Get a key logger. there are tons of free ones.

russell.h
May 9th, 2007, 03:37 AM
Write a script to copy anything that appears in the history and cache (both in .mozilla in his home folder if you are running linux) to another folder where he won't find it.

slimdog360
May 9th, 2007, 03:43 AM
film him. hahahhaha

Axis
May 9th, 2007, 03:47 AM
Problems with just letting it happen..

A) its a windows computer, the anti-virus is there but it's bound to get a virus eventually and nothing will stop that.
B) My mom always tells him that she found out on her own.
C) I don't drink alcohol so no worries about coming home late drunk :)

Now about the cache, how do I access it?

Also, I can prove he looked at it because before it would show where he had viewed the websites when you clicked the down arrow.

On another note, he has already found limewire, just hasn't realized he wouldn't get caught (as easily) with it. If you put in the first letter of a word it still shows anything that has been typed.

One final note, I personally don't care about the fact he is looking at it. But if my bro screws up that comp looking at porn then my mom can't check her e-mail. She can't check her e-mail means she dosen't care about the internet. Me keeping him from screwing up the windows computer keeps my on the internet with Ubuntu.

EDIT: If you didn't catch it, she will stop paying for the internet.

russell.h
May 9th, 2007, 03:48 AM
film him. hahahhaha

yeah, set up a hidden webcam, and either write a script to start recording whenever he opens firefox, or else get a program for motion sensing (http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome).

Of course then again you might not want to see that....

MS-DOS4
May 9th, 2007, 03:52 AM
How long does he stay on there? Perhaps you could watch him

aysiu
May 9th, 2007, 03:52 AM
Here's a keylogger:
http://pykeylogger.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

russell.h
May 9th, 2007, 03:56 AM
Oh, if you are on windows try http://www.snapfiles.com/get/acmonitor.html or something similar. My parents used to use some such utility, but they never figured out that on a 20GB hard drive with a program taking a screenshot every 10 seconds the drive could fill up in a hurry.

Axis
May 9th, 2007, 04:01 AM
I don't literally want to see what he is seeing. I just want to prove that such and such url has been visited on this user.

slimdog360
May 9th, 2007, 04:02 AM
B) My mom always tells him that she found out on her own.

HAhahahahaHHAhahahAHHAhaha, thats some funny stuff. how embarrassing eh. :lolflag:

your brother is going to be messed up when he gets older.

H.E. Pennypacker
May 9th, 2007, 04:12 AM
Seriously, if you guys expect him to do it again, why not prevent him from using the computer in the first place. Place a password on all accounts so he can't use the computer. I don't see how this is difficult.

If he needs it for homework, tell him to use the computer when you guys are around.

You could also set up a user account with no Internet access. Just block the Internet.

You guys are making this way more difficult than it has to be.

Stew2
May 9th, 2007, 04:12 AM
*Deleted Post* Perhaps a little too risque (sp?)

Kujen
May 9th, 2007, 04:14 AM
your brother is going to be messed up when he gets older.

Quoted for truth.

calraith
May 9th, 2007, 04:21 AM
Keylogger's a good idea. You could also undelete jpegs that have been deleted from the web browser's cache. PC Inspector File Recovery (http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/uk/welcome.htm)'s the best free file undeleter I've seen for Windows. Or if anyone knows of a Linux live CD that contains a utility called "Foremost (http://foremost.sourceforge.net/)," that'd be even better.

update: According to Google, a Live CD distro called Aghesa (http://www.aghesa.com/) includes Foremost. "Feather Linux" apparently also includes Foremost, but the Feather Linux website isn't responding at the moment.

heimo
May 9th, 2007, 04:45 AM
Ask your mom $100 for making your brother stop messing up the Windows computer
Ask your brother $100 for teaching him how to not get caught for his browsing habbits
Teach your brother to use
Browser appliance (http://ubuntuforums.org/*%20http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/browserapp.html)
Ubuntu Live CD
Dual booting to safe operating system
Profit

TheTruth34
May 9th, 2007, 04:55 AM
Ask your mom $100 for making your brother stop messing up the Windows computer
Ask your brother $100 for teaching him how to not get caught for his browsing habbits
Teach your brother to use
Browser appliance (http://ubuntuforums.org/*%20http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/browserapp.html)
Ubuntu Live CD
Dual booting to safe operating system
Profit
best advice yet =P

DoctorMO
May 9th, 2007, 05:17 AM
One final note, I personally don't care about the fact he is looking at it. But if my bro screws up that comp looking at porn then my mom can't check her e-mail. She can't check her e-mail means she dosen't care about the internet. Me keeping him from screwing up the windows computer keeps my on the internet with Ubuntu.

The fact that you haven't set up your computer to be Ubuntu only is disapointing considering all your mother ever does is check her email and all your brother does is look at porn and download file-sharing software.

If your mother is using the possibility of disconnecting the internet as a weapon against you there is something wrong. why does she need such leverage against you? don't you have legitimate reasons for having access too? doesn't she care about your access? what is going on there?

P.S. Personal life meddling is a free service

EdThaSlayer
May 9th, 2007, 05:19 AM
Just check the Firefox cache, if there are some pictures there that shouldn't be there then you have some evidence. :)


EDIT:Seems you don't want to check what he is seeing. Then, there still should be some html files in the cache, and just click on those and quickly copy the link.

darrensnospam
May 9th, 2007, 06:19 AM
http://www.k9webprotection.com/

trepidprism
May 9th, 2007, 06:29 AM
an excellent windows logger is starr

Lucifiel
May 9th, 2007, 07:12 AM
Seriously, why do people have to learn about "adult" stuff in secret?

Why can't their parents guide them, instead of turning a blind eye and hoping that the kid will follow the "straight and narrow" path? The materials they'll be learning from will be far more unreliable than the words of a trusted and reliable adult.

Then again, uhh... it's all a load of presumptions since this could be something else entirely. :p

Go get a keylogger. Also, create an non-admin user and give him a user account and perhaps restrict the rights of that user too(I bet you can probably restrict what he can do in IE). Finally, for the admin account itself, go get a password generator program like KeePassX and generate a few 140 bit passwords. Use that to lock the admin account and the user account.

If he tries to change the passwords, then very simply, put in a new password for the user account. He won't be able to even access the computer then nor would be able to get hold of the admin account due to that long 140bit password.

Axis
May 10th, 2007, 05:13 PM
I thought he did have limited access however it appears as though he dosen't. I don't know how to give him limited access to the computer or otherwise I would.

Many people have suggested a keylogger, How would I get ahold of a SAFE one?

Old Pink
May 10th, 2007, 05:31 PM
http://www.bestsoftware4download.com/software/t-free-free-key-logger-download-nlhdcnqw.html

Just find a key logger. Or create a new Windows account for him, and make it non-administrator, and then set his permissions so he can't access "Internet Options..." in IE.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB210GB211&q=freeware+parental+monitoring+OR+control&btnG=Search&meta=

?

Tomosaur
May 10th, 2007, 06:31 PM
There is no 'sure fire' way of stopping him, to be perfectly honest. The nature of computers means that if you can set it up - he can knock it down. Whatever method you use to prevent him doing it will only take a matter of time to circumvent. The best thing you can do is to say 'I know I can't stop you looking at porn, so at least make sure you don't **** up while you're doing it'. Switch the computer to Linux to remove the risk of viruses (and also to give yourself some very handy utilities such as cron to make secure backups of the cache, history etc, if you do want to continue with the surveillance / whatever) and other security risks.

In short - he's going to carry on doing it anyway. If it's a moral thing your mother is concerned about, then the worst thing she can do is to put barriers up to prevent him doing it. She needs to talk to him and tell him why she disapproves. In the end though, it's his choice - and males being male, it's unlikely he's going to stop it any time soon. Best thing you can do then, is to just minimise the risk of collateral damage - and that means ditching Windows (yay for you!).

esaym
May 10th, 2007, 07:20 PM
You could install a gateway firewall like smoothwall and you would be able to monitor (and block) his activity. Smoothwall has several mods to block unwanted sites too

And of course there are key loggers: http://cgi.ebay.com/KEYKatcher-Mini-Keystroke-Keylogger-64K_W0QQitemZ230125641720QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48839Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

stalker145
May 11th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Do you have a router? Routers tend to keep logs.

Seconded. I have all of my router logs e-mailed off-site as well to make sure my 14-year old hormonally overwhelmed boy doesn't figure out how to get in there and clear his tracks. He's already starting to figure out selective cache and history clearing as well as filter bypassing.

Ahhh, they grow up so fast ](*,)

heimo
May 11th, 2007, 01:41 PM
He's already starting to figure out selective cache and history clearing as well as filter bypassing.

Next he'll learn about anonymizer proxies, cryptography, tor, vpn and other tunneling techniques and finally upgrade to steganography, covert channels and stealing bandwidth from neighbors wireless access point.

overkillm
May 11th, 2007, 01:42 PM
I believe there is a spot in the registry that stores typed URLs. Don't remember exactly where off the top of my noggin... almost certainly somewhere under HKEY_USERS or HKEY_CURRENT_USER... I know this doesn't narrow it down much, sorry. This would only be beneficial if your brother was actually typing in the naughty site's address, though... as opposed to clicking a link from a more innocuous site like Google.

I second the file recovery software suggestion, too.

Ah, here we are: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\TypedURLs (if you're signed in as him)
or: HKEY_USERS\(insert ID here)\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\TypedURLs

Pretty sure there are similar keys for Firefox, but the machine I'm on at the moment does not have FF on it.. *sigh*

Qwertyman66
May 11th, 2007, 03:59 PM
If you are using Norton for your AV then it keeps logs independantly from the browser, other AVs might do it as well, but I know Norton does it. That might be a good way to check as he probably isn't clearing those logs.

stalker145
May 12th, 2007, 01:38 AM
Next he'll learn about anonymizer proxies, cryptography, tor, vpn and other tunneling techniques and finally upgrade to steganography, covert channels and stealing bandwidth from neighbors wireless access point.

WAAHHHH, please don't tell me these things. I can hardly spell VPN without pausing to think about it. But as they say in my job: "Adapt, improvise, overcome".

As for the OP, I think you should try a multi-prong approach with software logging, router logging, and maybe the hidden cameras noted earlier ;)

diskotek
May 12th, 2007, 02:57 AM
1st, if you can't prove he's still doing it, how do you know he still is? Obviously you haven't caught him. 2nd how old is he? and 3rd just get yourself some decent 'parental control' software and it'll take care of it, even if he figures out how to get around it at least one or two failed attempts to access 'unapproved' sites will be caught before he realizes what's happening.

Oh, and never tell him about bittorrent or frostwire/limewire. Seriously, you'll NEVER catch him then :P
+1

all i want to say "let him free" :popcorn:

gnomeuser
May 12th, 2007, 04:59 AM
I assume he's looking at naked people.. I suggest parenting rather than control, it works better long term. It's just the human body, a product of 4 billion years of natural selection at work, nothing wrong with admiring it.

If your mother wants to control his habits you should probably refuse to partake in her endevours on moral grounds - technically you would be spying on him which you have no right to, he might be a minor but he still should have some privacy. A keylogger would capture anything, what happens the day you stumble on something personal like his email or IMs with friends. Instead of sticking you on him because you know how, maybe she could try talking to him?

heimo
May 12th, 2007, 05:15 AM
A keylogger would capture anything, what happens the day you stumble on something personal like his email or IMs with friends.

And internet bank username, password and account information when his mom uses the computer. I'd be _very_ pissed to find someone keylogging my computer and as it can be considered a crime in some countries... There's no way I'd install keylogger in a way that users of the computer don't know about it. Especially on my brothers computer. I'd like to have a brother who can trust me, and whom I can trust.

ilikeytacos12345
May 14th, 2007, 05:33 AM
yeah, set up a hidden webcam, and either write a script to start recording whenever he opens firefox, or else get a program for motion sensing (http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome).

Of course then again you might not want to see that....

NO...... dont even try to record it... most programs, windows or ubuntu, take picture s or video streams that fill up your hardrive very quikly,even mine and im running a 3800 dual core with 640g of space..... plus why would you want to see that?

JNowka
May 14th, 2007, 07:12 AM
Um, I remember something about Microsoft putting your history in a very hard to get to folder that holds a cache of all the web pages you have been to. This article here (http://www.****microsoft.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml) should tell you more about it. Hope this helps

P.S. This is yet another reason not to trust MS

PatrickMay16
May 14th, 2007, 08:52 AM
Give him a good computar running DEBIAN GNU/LINUX. Then he can browse all the pr0n he likes without gettings VIRUSES, and so everyone's happy.

KaroSHiv0n
May 14th, 2007, 09:04 AM
how about being a good sibling and covering his tracks for him.

exactly! dont be such a spoil sport, let him have his fun, how would you like if someone stopped you?

STREETURCHINE
May 14th, 2007, 09:16 AM
exactly! dont be such a spoil sport, let him have his fun, how would you like if someone stopped you?

so true,nobody likes a dobber.:(

Kyre
May 14th, 2007, 10:10 AM
If your trying to restrict his web access to keep you mothers computer safe, you should just set him up whit an computer running Linux.
That way you would not be infringing on his privacy and you would stay blissfully unaware of his surfing habits :P
I for one don't want to know what my brothers pr0n habits are that's why he has his own computer parked safely in the DMZ of my network where he cant fugd up any of my systems.

damn what a rant :P shutting up now

Jonne
May 14th, 2007, 10:26 AM
Put the computer in the living room (so you can watch him), and lock down his account so it's limited (that way crap won't get installed).

mech7
May 14th, 2007, 10:34 AM
What about just telling your mom to do her duties and take responsibility over her own child :confused:

roderikk
May 14th, 2007, 12:21 PM
What about just telling your mom to do her duties and take responsibility over her own child :confused:
So true.... why is it always that parents try to forbid certain things and think that will 'morally educate' their children. I am by no means at liberty to speak since I am not a parent but looking back I am glad my parents never specifically forbade me to do anything, they just said, think about something before you do it... It didn't stop me from doing certain things but it helps you become an individual.

jasonfriend
July 9th, 2007, 05:18 PM
Problems with just letting it happen..

A) its a windows computer, the anti-virus is there but it's bound to get a virus eventually and nothing will stop that.
B) My mom always tells him that she found out on her own.
C) I don't drink alcohol so no worries about coming home late drunk :)

Now about the cache, how do I access it?

Also, I can prove he looked at it because before it would show where he had viewed the websites when you clicked the down arrow.

On another note, he has already found limewire, just hasn't realized he wouldn't get caught (as easily) with it. If you put in the first letter of a word it still shows anything that has been typed.

One final note, I personally don't care about the fact he is looking at it. But if my bro screws up that comp looking at porn then my mom can't check her e-mail. She can't check her e-mail means she dosen't care about the internet. Me keeping him from screwing up the windows computer keeps my on the internet with Ubuntu.

EDIT: If you didn't catch it, she will stop paying for the internet.

if it's windows, check out the excellent free "K9 Web Protection" just google it

OffHand
July 9th, 2007, 06:20 PM
Don't be a rat... bro's shouldn't be doing that. We all (at least most of us) like to watch some pron every now and then. Nothing wrong with that... let it go.

Edit: I didn't realize this thread was negro.

ThinkBuntu
July 9th, 2007, 06:34 PM
how about being a good sibling and covering his tracks for him.
Agreed. The vast majority of us adults enjoy our fair share of porn anyway, so you really aren't doing anything except maybe preventing him from getting it out of his system.

Adamant1988
July 9th, 2007, 06:36 PM
I do agree with the idea that your mother might need to actually learn to be a parent. What happened to the days when people spoke with each other about problems?

Case in point: When I was 13 my parents installed a program on my computer to limit the amount of time I could spend on the internet, what I could look at, etc. and would 'phone home' with information about what I was doing on the net. I removed the software using some pretty basic tactics and went on my way, doing what I wanted to do in the first place.

When I was 16 I was caught looking at some slightly 'not-child-friendly' photos and my Mother pulled me aside and offered to buy me a playboy magazine as long as I would just refrain from pulling up that stuff on the computer because it had adverse effects on the security of the computer.

The latter method of altering my browsing habits was more effective. Perhaps your Mother simply needs to talk to the child and explain to him the problems with his behavior, etc.

jgrabham
July 9th, 2007, 06:37 PM
Give him some good sites with no problems, I can think of a few. :]

Warpnow
July 9th, 2007, 06:38 PM
I, for one, am not going to help you invade the privacy of another person...

I'm more likely to help your brother figure out how to disable those applications and cover his tracks than I am to show you how to be an ***. ;)

Adamant1988
July 9th, 2007, 06:39 PM
More recently there have been "YouTube porn sites" being brought up, a couple of them have even been successful. Perhaps direct him to one of those?

Warpnow
July 9th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Just run a VM, so if he gets a virus, he can delete and start over. That's the safest way to view adult content.

@trophy
July 9th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Family Keylogger

Came in handy when I found out my ex was cheating on me... :-(

Adamant1988
July 9th, 2007, 06:43 PM
Just run a VM, so if he gets a virus, he can delete and start over. That's the safest way to view adult content.

Either that or buy a magazine/dvd or some other item that is sure to have JUST the content on it.

M$LOL
July 9th, 2007, 06:44 PM
Seriously though the best protection is education and trust, if you don't want to be looking over your shoulder the whole time then you need to make sure you can trust what he does; I never had this problem with my parents but then I never felt the need to go on illegal sites and they never felt the need to restrict what I did. Restrictions will breed resistance but it's probably too late now.
Absolutely. If people trust each other on the net, then there's no need for this stupid game between those trying to restrict and those trying to hide and crap like that.


When I was 16 I was caught looking at some slightly 'not-child-friendly' photos and my Mother pulled me aside and offered to buy me a playboy magazine
O_O

Adamant1988
July 9th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Absolutely. If people trust each other on the net, then there's no need for this stupid game between those trying to restrict and those trying to hide and crap like that.

O_O

I have a family that is very open about these things, fortunately. My mother just didn't want viruses, but she didn't care much about me seeing the photos. She was well aware that I was sexually active at that age anyway, so I don't think she cared much.

Tomosaur
July 9th, 2007, 07:05 PM
O_O

I don't think he meant the pictures were of children, just that the images were not suitable for children. Bad choice of words on Adamant's part :P

Sweet Spot
July 9th, 2007, 07:23 PM
This thread is still going on ? This is ridiculous. Someone had it right pages ago in saying that he should not have internet access at all unless someone is home. Forget all the software and such...it's a hassle. I mean, the kid should be able to look at porn...no doubt about it. But if your mom is worried about viruses, she has a valid concern, especially on a Windows system. Someone also said they were disappointed and surprised that you didn't just install Ubuntu for your main OS...and I totally agree with this.

If all she does is email and browse the web, why would she even need Windows ? Also, it's your responsibility, then you should cover your brothers ***, and if something goes awry, then screw it, either get rid of any potential viruses, or just re-install windows as easy as it is. Cover your brothers tracks and make sure the cache and cookies and temp internet files, history, as well as prefetch files are deleted... End of freekin' story !


And if I were you, I'd look into purchasing a mega cheap computer for yourself, and let the other two dual it out by themselves. You don't need this kind of heat.

cobrn1
July 9th, 2007, 09:40 PM
***PRO-CATCHING BROTHER PART***

Assuming you're using windows (XP, but probably 98 as well) AND internet explorer (this doesn't work with firefox because it's less messy, but not perfect):

>open up word

>typr in a web address, ie, http://www.gotyanow.com

>press return, the link will now turn blue and be underlined

>right click on the link and choose to edit the hyperlink.

>in the box that has come up look at the option to select a new web address, it should have a arrow to scrool down.

>this should contain a list of all the websites visited - if he's bin naughty, it'll be there.

Like I said, only works for ie.



There are options like keylogging

You could look up geeksquad stealing porn - interesting article where they get the pc to vid a pc-repair dude stealing porn off the pc - work for windows, maybe try it?

you could just not give him an account and only let him on when you're there...

Being blunt, there are ways and means, and if you give him the hardware he'll find a way - adapt and overcome



***AGAINST-CATCHING THE BROTHER***

1) while I appreciate that you don't want to lose your interent, you should be a good bro and not taddle. Even if you think porn is immoral, being a ****** brother's pretty crap too.

2) It's part of growing up (these days, at least for most people).

3) He'll resent you if you taddle - bad for your relationship.

4) He _will_ find a way around it - reset the modem (by pressing the reset button) and boot up a live cd - untracable.

5) Set-up a linux box and tell him to use linux for his habits. Someone once said that the real advantage of linux is that geeks can surf for porn while laughing that they can't get virii...

Another favoutire quote: there are two types of geek - those with a porn folder and those with a .porn folder... ;-)


Oh, and you really should be congratulating him on learning to scrub the history. I teach my brother my tech tips (general tips, but anonymous browsing is one topic we cover, ie, for banking or whatever...), not try to use tech against him...


***SUMMARY***

If you don't trust him, be there when he uses the pc.

If you have no moral objections, just fear losing the interent, then tell him to use linux and surf to his hearts content...

Be a good brother, you can't beat him anyway...

Adamant1988
July 9th, 2007, 09:53 PM
I don't think he meant the pictures were of children, just that the images were not suitable for children. Bad choice of words on Adamant's part :P

Not really... 'not-child-friendly' in my mind == Adult Content. I'm sorry that your mind immediately jumps to pedophilia when you see those words... perhaps a visit to the therapist wouldn't hurt?

M$LOL
July 9th, 2007, 10:11 PM
I don't think he meant the pictures were of children, just that the images were not suitable for children. Bad choice of words on Adamant's part :P

I know that, I would just never envisage a mother buying her 16 year old a playboy magazine.:-?

insane_alien
July 9th, 2007, 10:20 PM
you could make a script to copy the history list every 5 minutes or so. that means it doesn't get deleted. or the cache contents but that'll get really big really fast.

Warpnow
July 10th, 2007, 01:54 AM
I know that, I would just never envisage a mother buying her 16 year old a playboy magazine.:-?

Seriously... *shudders*

*begings to cry a little*

Its disturbing...

Tiekyl
July 10th, 2007, 02:22 AM
Seriously... *shudders*

*begings to cry a little*

Its disturbing...
Not trying to get off topic here...

But i think its rather admirable of the mother...its gonna happen neway, might as weel keep it safe. (As long as the kids already doing it, it wont hurt). Its kinda like giving birth control to kids who ask at school.

cobrn1
July 10th, 2007, 02:30 AM
It might be admirable, but its still creepy. _Really_ creepy.

Birth control is a different thing entirely - really, the two example don't really compare.

Ocxic
July 10th, 2007, 03:07 AM
if you have windows XP PRO go to start->run and type gpedit.msc or .mcs i foget wich works, only one will... there you can disable his ability to do anything, thats the policy ediitor for widows you can now dictate like a god what he can and can't do on that computer. just be carful you don;t do it to yourself too.

regomodo
July 11th, 2007, 01:43 AM
I don't know if it's been mentione in the last 5 pages since i was in this thread but you may want to try openDNS and get a free account. It blocks adult content if you want.

Your brother can get round this if he really needs to get his fix. It won't be easy however

http://www.opendns.com/

macogw
July 11th, 2007, 02:24 AM
Seriously, why do people have to learn about "adult" stuff in secret?

Why can't their parents guide them, instead of turning a blind eye and hoping that the kid will follow the "straight and narrow" path? The materials they'll be learning from will be far more unreliable than the words of a trusted and reliable adult.

Because looking at porn on Windows is a really easy way to get a virus. He should at least be using protection*!


* a *nix OS

stepan2
July 11th, 2007, 02:36 AM
give him a live cd and let him watch all the pron he ants on it , then teach him how to remove the live cd.

FoolsGold_MKII
July 11th, 2007, 02:45 AM
give him a live cd and let him watch all the pron he ants on it , then teach him how to remove the live cd.
You ever tried removing the Live CD prematurely? Gah, makes such a mess.

stepan2
July 11th, 2007, 03:02 AM
??? what do you mean? removing a cd is as easy as clicking shutdown . then it will remove the cd by itself and tell you to press enter. I said use a live cd because it doesnt save history and no viruses arrise

FoolsGold_MKII
July 11th, 2007, 03:05 AM
I think you missed the innuendo. :)

regomodo
July 11th, 2007, 04:00 AM
I think you missed the innuendo. :)

haha:lolflag:

amadeus266
July 12th, 2007, 07:53 PM
I had the unfortunate job of busting a co-worker. I just printed a screenshot of the cookies folder. If he hasn't figured out how to delete those that will be the easiest way.

jgrabham
July 12th, 2007, 10:04 PM
I had the unfortunate job of busting a co-worker. I just printed a screenshot of the cookies folder. If he hasn't figured out how to delete those that will be the easiest way.

you mean ctrl+shift+del?

Warpnow
July 13th, 2007, 03:05 AM
I had the unfortunate job of busting a co-worker. I just printed a screenshot of the cookies folder. If he hasn't figured out how to delete those that will be the easiest way.

Then why did you bust him if its unfortunate?

Tux.Ice
April 14th, 2008, 04:37 PM
You ever tried removing the Live CD prematurely? Gah, makes such a mess.

Yup, not a pretty site

original_jamingrit
April 14th, 2008, 05:11 PM
gah, I remember this thread.

t'was good times. I still laugh at how some people were suggesting how to watch porn unmonitored near the end.

If I was in the OP's shoes, I'd leave xvidcap (http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/) running and take low-res screencaps every minute or so.

DrMega
April 14th, 2008, 05:22 PM
I couldn't be bothered to read all 9 pages so appologies if this has already been said.

Do you connect directly via a cable modem or is there a router/firewall combo between you and the outside world?

If there is a router, log into its admin app, set a password on it that only you know, and enable logging. Then regardless of what your bro does at the PC, all the sites he visited will be logged in the router.

Of course the downside is, any determine kid can circumvent your efforts, even if it means going to the extreme of buying a new router/adsl modem.

rickyjones
April 14th, 2008, 05:26 PM
Not sure if this has been said but you can configure the computer to use OpenDNS dns servers. Create an opendns account and set the account to monitor DNS requests. It'll log all visited sites and offers content blocks.

-Richard

digger95
April 14th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Seriously, how do we know it's even his brother he's really trying to catch? It could be a friend, or coworker, or anybody else for that matter and this 'mom' story is just a way to get advice on spying. Either way, kudos to everyone who refused to give advice. Leave your 'bro' alone and let the poor guy have his toss in peace.

amazingtaters
April 14th, 2008, 05:45 PM
how about being a good sibling and covering his tracks for him.

Ah, thank goodness I'm not the only one who thought it. There's nothing worse than a snitch. My brother is a total snitch, and thus I don't trust him with anything anymore. Honestly, if he's not cooking meth and killing hookers he's probably fine. I know that's an exaggeration but you get my drift. Besides, you scratch his back, he'll probably scratch yours at some point.

PmDematagoda
April 14th, 2008, 05:46 PM
I really don't see the use of resurrecting such an old thread since the OP may have moved on or the problem may have been solved.

This thread is locked.

LaRoza
April 14th, 2008, 05:46 PM
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