Where to start with python?

[sapo]

Hi, i would like to start programing python, mainly for making guis for some apps that doesnt have it..

So i think that i ll need python and GTK, but i dont know from where to start..

I m programming php for food, and programmed pascal and clipper for a long time.. so i m not a newbie in programing..

If someone knows a good tutorial or a good documentation regardin gtk + python i would apreciate it...

And please, i cant stand those "hello world" apps, i want to start making something.. like a simple app that when i click in a button runs one command and when i click in another runs another...

And a good editor would be fine too, i use gedit to code php and i m fine with plain text.. i prefer to type than to click in buttons to make code for me ](*,)

thanx :)

[Moobert]

your need gtk, pygtk and maybe glade if you want code produced for you

Two good articles on python gui programing:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6586

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6340

Good example:

http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/python-glade/

gui creation without glade, (just coding):

http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html

[sapo]

your need gtk, pygtk and maybe glade if you want code produced for you

Two good articles on python gui programing:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6586

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6340

Good example:

http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/python-glade/

gui creation without glade, (just coding):

http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html

thanx a lot.. i will take a look.. and maybe i ll try glade too, but i m not a fan of those kind of gui creators.. i m accostumed to raw coding :)

btw there are some good examples in these website.. thanx a lot.. and if someone knows some more examples, please post it :grin:

[dannyp]

I would recommend wxPython for GUI programming. IMO it is easier to use than pyGTK.

[sapo]

I would recommend wxPython for GUI programming. IMO it is easier to use than pyGTK.


Do you know any tutorial or any website where i can read about wxPython?

thanx :)

[Moobert]

Do you know any tutorial or any website where i can read about wxPython?

thanx :)

http://wiki.wxpython.org/

seems good :)

pyQt seems worth looking into too, qt-designer being the gui builder.

[sapo]

thanx guys.. btw wich is better for me to start? wxpython or python + gtk?

i m a little lost ](*,)

[Quest-Master]

thanx guys.. btw wich is better for me to start? wxpython or python + gtk?

i m a little lost ](*,)
Python + wxPython, definitely.

[nobodysbusiness]

I'm using Python and wxPython for my app. I haven't worked with PyGTK, so I can't comment on how difficult it is, but wxPython works well and gives apps a native look and feel. I recommend using wxGlade as a GUI designer and Eclipse with the PyDev plugin for coding. I've tried several different IDE's and GUI designers, and this is the combination that I like the best (that I've found so far, anyway).

[jdong]

And a good editor would be fine too, i use gedit to code php and i m fine with plain text.. i prefer to type than to click in buttons to make code for me ](*,)

thanx :)

DrPython, in Backports, is a great editor for Python. Using plugins available from drpython.sf.net, you can get autocomplete.

No good GUI builders, though... you'll have to get the hang of doing so by hand. I don't know how much easier glade makes it.

[sapo]

my friend told me about this book:

http://byteofpython.info/

I think that its very easy and interesting.. i m starting with it.. then i ll go with wxpython maybe...

thanx for helping :grin:

[jdong]

I highly recommend WxPython, and the WxWindows/WxWidgets system in general. No matter what language you use with the WxWidgets system, you get beautiful, native-looking apps on all supported platforms. VERY VERY nice :)

One thing I liked about Python as a beginner was its ease. I started learning Python while running Fedora, which half the admin tools and the whole installer was written in Python. Python is very interactive source-wise. It's EASY to play around with snippets of code, or change bits here and there to see what they do. The interactive Python shell is your friend :) So's dir() and help()

A couple quick "Getting Started" 2-page tutorials and a Firefox bookmark on Python docs should be all you need to get very productive in the language. May I suggest O'Rielly books like "Python Cookbook" or "Learning Python"?

I recommend Python Cookbook a lot more if you're a learn-by-examples type. It's designed for older 2.x releases, but all the information still holds pertinent. It has SOO many examples that you can ALWAYS find some snippet to apply to your program.

[sapo]

I recommend Python Cookbook a lot more if you're a learn-by-examples type. It's designed for older 2.x releases, but all the information still holds pertinent. It has SOO many examples that you can ALWAYS find some snippet to apply to your program.

thanx.. i preffer learning this way.. i hate reading explanations.. i learn more looking at codes... i ll give it try.. thank you!

[sapo]

yo lads.. thanks for all the help.. i m already starting to make some noob scripts with python...

Can somebody post a good python forum, i love to ask noob questions in forums :roll:

Today i ll finish the first book http://byteofpython.info

And tomorrow i m planning to start with wxpython, and maybe start my first app, today i stayed programing those kind of "Hello word" stuff, but i think that python is very very easy.. i ve learned php in 2 weeks, from nothing till making a website with admin panel, news posting, image upload etc...

And i think that python will be quicker than it :grin:

[christooss]

I think book at followed llink is the best for lurning pyhon

http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/

When you will get better start lurning dive in to python. It can be found on goolge and on your home machine

[jdong]

yo lads.. thanks for all the help.. i m already starting to make some noob scripts with python..

Sounds like me... Backports is 90% automated now, thanks to Python: http://ubuntubackports.org/ubp/projects/ubp-tools/ubp-build/ubp-build.py

[sapo]

Sounds like me... Backports is 90% automated now, thanks to Python: http://ubuntubackports.org/ubp/projects/ubp-tools/ubp-build/ubp-build.py

nice.. i ll print this script to read in the bathroom. i m sure i ll learn a lot.. yes i read source code while sitting in the throne :roll:

edit: nice script.. hum.. that "os.something" functions.. are a kind of class to handle shell stuff? i m a little interested in making some stuff that will need a lot of interaction with shell, wget, etc etc :grin:

[jdong]

os.system() executes the given command using your default shell. I use this as a replacement for shellscript-style programming for Python. Many of these can be re-coded in native python via the APT Python libraries, but I like the os.system() method better.

The other os functions are for looking for files, manipulating folders, etc. There are specific nt,mac,and posix modules with specific versions of these functions, but the os platform-independent generics are suitable for my purposes.



All-in-all, this script took about 2-3 hours of an afternoon, from the #! statement to automatic backports. THAT'S why I love Python :)

[Quest-Master]

os.system() executes the given command using your default shell. I use this as a replacement for shellscript-style programming for Python. Many of these can be re-coded in native python via the APT Python libraries, but I like the os.system() method better.

The other os functions are for looking for files, manipulating folders, etc. There are specific nt,mac,and posix modules with specific versions of these functions, but the os platform-independent generics are suitable for my purposes.



All-in-all, this script took about 2-3 hours of an afternoon, from the #! statement to automatic backports. THAT'S why I love Python :)
Personally I prefer os.popen("command") and its .read() properties.. it just gives you a lot more flexibility over what you're doing. :)

[jdong]

Personally I prefer os.popen("command") and its .read() properties.. it just gives you a lot more flexibility over what you're doing. :)

Yeah; when I actually need interaction with the command, I'd use popen... When I just want it to run (I know whether or not it worked -- if there ain't no debs around after the packaging process, it didn't work very well, did it? ;)), system() is my friend.

[sapo]

yo lads.. i m a little confused with the lists, tuples and dicts stuff..

i m a php programmer and in php we have arrays and vars...

lists seems to me like arrays, tuples is saying here that are imutable strings.. is it constants?

and wth is this dict stuff? looks like an array, but seems diferent... someone could help understand this stuff?

thanx a lot :grin:

[Quest-Master]

Well, this is basically what a dictionary does simply.

qm = ["hair":"black", "skin":"brown", "height":"tall"]
print "QM's hair color is " + qm["hair"]
print "QM's skin color is " + qm["skin"]
print "QM is pretty " + qm["height"] + ", I guess."

Of course, instead of using hair, skin, and height, you could use black, brown, and tall. These can become very very useful later on when programming large-scale apps. :)

[jdong]

lists seems to me like arrays, tuples is saying here that are imutable strings.. is it constants?

and wth is this dict stuff? looks like an array, but seems diferent... someone could help understand this stuff?

thanx a lot :grin:

tuples are the basic sequential collection structure: like C arrays. They are unchangeable once they're made... So sort of like immutable strings. You can't insert/remove items from a tuple. They have to be remade from scratch.

Lists are like PHP arrays...

Dictionaries are like arrays, but indexed with arbitrary objects as opposed to integers.

[pdpi]

Personally, I just started learning Python myself. Since I have some 10 years worth of programming experience (pretty decent for a 22 year old :D), and considering I wanted to start doing some GUI programming either way, I just skimmed through some of the more popular Python tutorials (dive into python and the "official" tutorial), and keep them in a background browser tab while going through the PyGTK tutorial, which reads easily enough for me to spend more time implementing (and changing) the examples myself rather than reading through the presented code. It's that simple. So, if people are saying that wxWidgets are even easier... well... the code probably writes itself ;)

regarding the dictionaries, a dictionary is a hash table, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_table for a good description. If you want the short version, it's simply a way of changing arbitraty immutable objects ("keys") into numbers, and associating other objects ("values") to the table, using the key's hash as the position of an array (the internal representation of the hash table) to insert itself into. If you think carefully about it, and about the way collisions (multiples keys mapping to the same number) are handled, it works much in the same way as a dictionary (so for those complaining about it, it actually IS a pretty good metaphor)

[christooss]

which pyGTK tutorial are you using. And What is "offical" tutorial?

[sapo]

hum.. i think i understand..

but in what ocassion to use dicts and lists? i m used to php so i just use arrays...

and another question.. can i have one dict inside another?

thanx guys for helping.. i m already doing some code :grin:

[jdong]

hum.. i think i understand..

but in what ocassion to use dicts and lists? i m used to php so i just use arrays...

and another question.. can i have one dict inside another?

thanx guys for helping.. i m already doing some code :grin:

Lists are used whenever you need to add/remove items from the array during runtime. For example, if you're making an address book program that users can actively add/remove names from, you'd want to use lists. Otherwise, each add/remove operation with tuples means re-making the WHOLE ARRAY AGAIN (ouch).

Dicts are used when the particular data is best referenced by something other than numbers. For example, a list that relates name to phone number. You can do it like this:
addrbook={ "John Doe": "123-456-7890", "Bob Python":"321-654-0987"}

Then, refer to addrbook["John Doe"] to find the phone number for John Doe.


Another more interesting use is to mimick the select-case/switch structure. For example, in C:


switch(input_char)
{
case 'Y':
action1();
case 'N':
action2();
default:
action3();
}


In Python, functions are just a data type that supports the () "call" operators. In other words, you can assign functions to variables. So:



action_dict={ 'Y': action1, 'N': action2}
try:
action_dict[input_char]();
except KeyError:
action3()


It does the same thing. You're using a dictionary (specialized list) of functions.

[sapo]

thanx jdong.. now things are clearer...

i was trying that wxglade now.. but i dont like gui designers.. i think i ll learn wxPython and code it by hand.. the wxglade just messed up all the code ](*,)

[pdpi]

which pyGTK tutorial are you using. And What is "offical" tutorial?
I'm using this tutorial: file:///usr/share/doc/python-gtk2-tutorial :)

it's on synaptic under a similar name, and can probably be found elsewhere easily. By "official" tutorial, I mean the tutorial that's on the python.org website

[sapo]

Hi fellows... i need to help..

I have learned a lot of things in the command line.. but now i ll try some gui stuff...

And i m trying to do a script to convert mp3 to ogg, mpc to mp3, and vice versa, the command line isnt the problem.. i already know how to do it...

but i m completely lost with the gui.. ](*,)

the first thig:

I tried to make a button so the user can browse a folder... but i dont know how to do it. and i didnt find anything about... anyone could help me?

thanx :grin:

[sapo]

thats me again hehe i ve found this:

http://wxwidgets.org/manuals/2.5.3/wx_wxfiledialog.html#wxfiledialogctor

I think that it is what i need.. anyone have some example code or something? cause i didnt manage how to make it work ](*,)

[sapo]

Now the file stuff is working.. but i want to make an output terminal to write the terminal output in a text object... anyone could help me? i ve read a lot of stuff in the manual but i cant figure out how to do it.. my app is starting to gain some form :grin:

[jdong]

find the textbox and start appending to it? ;)

[crashtest]

I tried to make a button so the user can browse a folder... but i dont know how to do it. and i didnt find anything about... anyone could help me?

thanx :grin:

The absolute easiest method for doing gui can be found here:
Easygui (http://www.ferg.org/easygui/)

This will get beginners (like me) doing gui stuff in about 5 minutes. Later on when I am more advanced I plan to learn Tkinter or wxPython.

[sapo]

find the textbox and start appending to it? ;)

but how do i append the terminal output?? :-?

i m appending vars and all that stuff.. but how do i get the terminal output and append to the textbox?

thanx for helping :)

my little program is already working.. i ll post the code later.. just have to fix some bugs..

[christooss]

I m really looking forward to see you program. Why I am new to programing and since I m lurning python as my first program language its very good to see useful programs not programs like hello world.

[sapo]

I m really looking forward to see you program. Why I am new to programing and since I m lurning python as my first program language its very good to see useful programs not programs like hello world.

i ll post it soon.. but first i need to make some stuff.. and google isnt helping me ](*,)

the program is already working.. but the code is so freaking dirty.. i m ashamed of posting it.. i ll clean it up first and comment it :grin:

[christooss]

You can send it to me through Privete Message

I want dirty code :)

[sapo]

You can send it to me through Privete Message

I want dirty code :)

ok ok you win, but first let me comment it.. so you will understand better ;)

i m still stuck with the output stuff.. i cant make the terminal output to the textbox.. please some expert help me :(

[sapo]

The code is attached.. just take a look.. but i didnt clean it up it.. so its VERY dirty..

The program is "working" you can select a folder and the bitrate.. then the program will create a converted_files folder inside the selected folder.. and encode the mp3 files using lame.

I ll try to make it convert a lot of audio formats like, mp3, ogg, mpc, wav, etc.. and i have to think about the id3 stuff and a tool to rename the files.. btw.. it will take some time...

but feel free to try it out :grin:

and i need help especially in this part:



output = "\nConverting File: %s" % (i)
self.text_output.AppendText(output)
process = None
status = "Please wait, encoding File %s" % (i)
self.SetStatusText(status)
#Exect the lame Command
pid = wxExecute(lame, wxEXEC_SYNC, process)
output = "\nFile Encoding Done!!"
self.text_output.AppendText(output)
status = "%s encoded sucessfully!!" % (i)
self.SetStatusText(status)


I want the text_output text filed to output the terminal stream.. but i didnt managed how to do it.. plese.. any help is welcome..

[christooss]

How can one use this program without wx installed.

Why am I asking that?

If I make program and distribute it I want that user could start program with simple python my_program.py without first installing wxlibs.

Is that possible?

[christooss]

I get this error


Traceback (most recent call last):
File "converter.py", line 194, in ?
app = MyApp(0)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/wxPython/wx.py", line 1951, in __init__ _wxStart(self.OnInit)
File "converter.py", line 187, in OnInit
frame = main_frame(NULL, -1, "Music Converter")
File "converter.py", line 25, in __init__
self.__do_layout()
File "converter.py", line 69, in __do_layout
grid_sizer_2.Add(self.text_input, 0, wxEXPAND|wxFIXED_MINSIZE, 0)
NameError: global name 'wxFIXED_MINSIZE' is not defined

[jdong]

wrap the wx import statements with a try/except block.



try:
import wx
except ImportError:
print "Dude... you don't have wxpython..."

[sapo]

wrap the wx import statements with a try/except block.



try:
import wx
except ImportError:
print "Dude... you don't have wxpython..."



thanx i ll do it :)

jdong, could you help me you the terminal output stuff? i ve spent a lot of time trying to make that work withou sucess :(

[sapo]

How can one use this program without wx installed.

Why am I asking that?

If I make program and distribute it I want that user could start program with simple python my_program.py without first installing wxlibs.

Is that possible?

hum.. i could just make the gui outside the main program... i think i m gonna do it.. but first i want to make it a graphical tool that can be usefull for something :p

[sapo]

I get this error

hum.. whats your wxPython version?

here everything is working...

btw.. i ll think about making the program and the gui in separate files.. i think that it should work better.. but i want to learn how to make the gui.. the terminal stuff isnt that difficult :-P

And here a screenshot with everything running:

http://img148.echo.cx/img148/8568/screenshot26wa.th.jpg (http://img148.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot26wa.jpg)

Man.. i ve spent all the afternoon trying to make the terminal output appear in the textbox.. look the lame output in the terminal.. i want that to appear in the text box.. but i dont know how ](*,)

[psychicdragon]

To capture the terminal output you can do something like this.

import commands
terminal_out = commands.getstatusoutput('your command here')
Took me quite a while to figure that out. I assume you've been trying to use os.system(command) right?

[sapo]

To capture the terminal output you can do something like this.

import commands
terminal_out = commands.getstatusoutput('your command here')
Took me quite a while to figure that out. I assume you've been trying to use os.system(command) right?

Man.. i love you :grin: that worked...

But now i got another problem.. while the program is encoding.. it seens like crashed... everything freezes.. i need a way to run that command in the background ](*,)

[dcraven]

This code is what I do in a pygtk program I have. You can probably adapt it to your toolkit of choice.



def run(self, command):
child_e, child_o = os.popen4(command)
while 1:
data_o = child_o.readline()
self.textbuffer.insert(self.textbuffer.get_end_ite r(), data_o)
self.textview.scroll_to_mark(self.textbuffer.get_i nsert(), 0)
while gtk.events_pending():
gtk.main_iteration(False)


Hope that helps.
~djc

[sapo]

This code is what I do in a pygtk program I have. You can probably adapt it to your toolkit of choice.



def run(self, command):
child_e, child_o = os.popen4(command)
while 1:
data_o = child_o.readline()
self.textbuffer.insert(self.textbuffer.get_end_ite r(), data_o)
self.textview.scroll_to_mark(self.textbuffer.get_i nsert(), 0)
while gtk.events_pending():
gtk.main_iteration(False)


Hope that helps.
~djc

it didnt worked.. crashed the app ](*,)

i was looking at another wxPython app and to show the output in the terminal was used this:



def OnIdle( self, evt ):
# If processing hasn't been started/enabled, do nothing
if not self.running:
return

# If no process is currently executing, start the next
# one in the queue.
if self.process is None:
self.StartNextProcess()

# If a process is currently running, get its output and
# print it to the command window
if self.process is not None and self.pid != 0:
stream = self.process.GetInputStream()
if stream.CanRead():
self.txtOut.AppendText( stream.read() )

# ================================================== ========
# Start the next process in the queue
# ================================================== ========
def StartNextProcess( self ):
# If there is a command in the queue
if len( self.strCmdQueue ) > 0:
self.strCurCmd = self.strCmdQueue.pop( 0 )
# Show the command that is being executed,
# and the number remaining in queue
self.txtCurCmd.SetValue( self.strCurCmd )
self.txtOut.AppendText( "Running command: %s\n" % self.strCurCmd )
# Start the process running
self.process = wxProcess( self )
self.process.Redirect()
self.pid = wxExecute( self.strCurCmd, wxEXEC_ASYNC, self.process )
self.lblQueue.SetLabel( "Commands left to run: %d" % len( self.strCmdQueue ) )


This code is from tovid, i ve tried to understand it but i cant manage how to put it to work.. i undestood what it does.. but even copying the whole functions it still didnt work ](*,)

[Quest-Master]

lol.. you can do a simple os.popen("terminal command here").read() to get terminal output.. very easy. :)

[sapo]

lol.. you can do a simple os.popen("terminal command here").read() to get terminal output.. very easy. :)

thats not easy

an mp3 can take 10 minutes to encode... my app stays frozen from 10 minutes.. ](*,)

i want a better feedback for users.. i m making it by hand without the terminal output :|

[Quest-Master]

EDIT: Never mind this, I was getting an error with your program, but it appeared that an old Warty installation of wxGTK was messing things up.. hehe.

[jdong]

thats not easy

an mp3 can take 10 minutes to encode... my app stays frozen from 10 minutes.. ](*,)

i want a better feedback for users.. i m making it by hand without the terminal output :|

You'd need to use threads...

[sapo]

You'd need to use threads...

Where do i find some info about it?

thanx

[christooss]

Where can I lurn more about python and XML

A link to one big cool tutorial would be fine :-D

[christooss]

Sorry to bother you again but I am unable to find wxdemos

[sapo]

Where can I lurn more about python and XML

A link to one big cool tutorial would be fine :-D

this interests me too :grin:


Sorry to bother you again but I am unable to find wxdemos

wxdemos??? :?

[Quest-Master]

christooss: Search for SAX and DOM with Python. Learn to use them, and you're set.

[christooss]

Hm do I have to intal pyxml for sax or dom work? Probably yes

/edit It is a YES but witch package do I have to install pyxml comes with defalult ubuntu installation?

[sapo]

hi fellows... please somebody could teste the 0.0.0.0.0.1/2 version of my program? hehe

it is working, but its still simple, just rename the attached file to .py :roll:

It already can:

Converts ogg to mp3 and mp3 to ogg, you just have to select the folder where the files are.

And it converts even if you have mp3 and ogg files in the same folder.. it will convert everything to the selected format.

it requires:
wxPython, lame, vorbis-tools

please somebody test it and post a feedback.. the terminal output i made by hand cause i didnt managed how to get the terminal output.. btw.. i m working on it..

The major problem is that the app cant copy the id3 tag to the file.. so you are gonna lose the id3 in the new file

If somebody have time and interest feel free to comment if something is wrong in my code.

thanx

[christooss]

I still get errors


Traceback (most recent call last):
File "converter2.py", line 314, in ?
app = MyApp(0)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/wxPython/wx.py", line 1951, in __init__ _wxStart(self.OnInit)
File "converter2.py", line 307, in OnInit
frame = main_frame(NULL, -1, "Music Converter")
File "converter2.py", line 26, in __init__
self.__do_layout()
File "converter2.py", line 70, in __do_layout
grid_sizer_2.Add(self.text_input, 0, wxEXPAND|wxFIXED_MINSIZE, 0)
NameError: global name 'wxFIXED_MINSIZE' is not defined

[sapo]

I still get errors


it seens to be something with your wxPython.. i tried to remove this thing that is giving you erros.. but the layout just messed up.. ](*,)

btw here another version with some corrected bugs:

http://xgn.no-ip.org:1000/downloads/converter.py

[christooss]

I got a little question

How to put raw_input to the list

number = raw_input(Write a number: )

How can I now add number to list?

[sapo]

I got a little question

How to put raw_input to the list

number = raw_input(Write a number: )

How can I now add number to list?


list.append(number)

you mean add a number to a list right?

[christooss]

Yes I already solved this


b = []
n = 0
while n < 15:
t = raw_input('We will add this to the list ')
if len(t) == 0:
break
b.append(t)
n = n + 1


of course you can increase n but 15 suits me
Thanks anyway

[christooss]

For me wxpython is history. Why beacause there is no good tutorial about this. Im moving to pygtk. I think I will manage to lurn quicker.

I hope this odisey will end with successes. Maybe I will than come back to wxpython. Maybe

[Quest-Master]

For me wxpython is history. Why beacause there is no good tutorial about this. Im moving to pygtk. I think I will manage to lurn quicker.

I hope this odisey will end with successes. Maybe I will than come back to wxpython. Maybe

Hehe, in time you'll learn that using wx you'd probably code more than a third less than what you would with PyGTK.

[christooss]

Hm ok maybe thats true but... For begginer its easyer to start with planty of help.

[sapo]

Hehe, in time you'll learn that using wx you'd probably code more than a third less than what you would with PyGTK.

thats true!

The official documentarion sux... and we cant find almost anything about it.. btw i ve managed how to do some simple things with it..

But still i cant find a way to use threadings properly with wxPython ](*,)

[christooss]

I find pyGTK + Glade + simplegladeapp.py far more easier to use than wxpython and boaconstructor.

And I would recommend this combination to every newbie to python and to programing.

[Quest-Master]

Use wxGlade instead of Boa.

I find it interesting that people actually like pyGTK more than wxPython. Never seen it before. :o

[sapo]

Use wxGlade instead of Boa.

I find it interesting that people actually like pyGTK more than wxPython. Never seen it before. :o

thats what i m using.. but theres inst some good tutorials about wxPython.. and the official documentation is a little difficult to understand ](*,)

[JuanC]

Why not using PyQT?

With the Qt 4 release , QT library is open source in all OS.
http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000209.html

[christooss]

Guys I am learning programing. For now I will stick to my pygtk combination and become a hell of a programer :)

in autum I will have to start learning Java. Its the only language that they use at my colleage.

[python_guy]

I think GUI is python's weak point (so the same for some script language)

1. I used glade and pygtk on windows (small programs for company). it depend on the gtk library and libglade. At that time, dropline ceasted their version for better compatibility and the other runtime doesn't have libglade. I ran in serious troubles.

(Windows users should be happier now, they have the gustin's pygtk, the official runtime from glade for win and documents from pygtk.doc)

2. I tried to switch my project to wxpython, I installed wxPython and it really take time and patient trying the compile options. The API wasn't fixed and people who use unicode have to use 2.5.x development branch, When a different sub-sub version is used, the program would behave funny.
(The API is fixed/locked in 2.6)

3. pygtk is doing ok in linux, wxPython could also work with py2exe. However, they have their problems, I realized that java is better for cross platform gui programming

However, I don't know Java and I found out that doing web programming is actually much easier. I used a less productive method. I use mod_python directly with apache. I didn't know how mod_python work and resetted apache infinity times just for terminated my buggy python program. The result seems OK, I can add small programs to the company's intranet. It has shortages but it is relatively easy.

I wished I know the existence of httpserver modules, zope, plone, cherrypy and cheetah. I wasted some time, but it seems that web programming is the way to go. I think bundle the program with intergrated server would work for small office. (Example, moin moin desktop ver)

[thierryl]

Ok, I searched for a thread on this specifically but all i got was this thread on python.

Has anyone found an easy way to install PyXML on Ubuntu? So far I havent found any packages for it and .gz won't run under 'python setup.py install' etc.

Would really like if someone had a link to a repository on this...

:)

Thanks
T.

p.s. and yes I unpacked the .gz first... lol...

[daubers]

You'd need to use threads...

I'm also trying to do this but haven't found anything on doing it..... is there an example somewhere that I could follow fairly easily?