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Hendrixski
April 26th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Did you know about these women?

The president of Chile: Michelle Bachelet
The Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel
The president of Switzerland: Micheline Calmy-Rey (for 2007, they elect a new one every year)
Speaker of the Knesset and acting president of Israel: Dalia Itzik (the actual president is on leave until rape allegations are cleared)
President of Liberia: Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
President of the Philippines: Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo
President of Finland: Tarja Halonen
President of Latvia: Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga
President of Ireland: Mary McAleese
Speaker of the House, United States: Nancy Pelosi

And soon... possibly the president of France may be Segolene Royal, and the President of the United States may be Hillary Clinton.

Not only that, but they're passing reforms that men hadn't. (please see clarification bellow).

If women can make this much of an impact on the political field, imagine what women can do in the technology field.

nanotube
April 29th, 2007, 06:51 AM
Not only that, but they're doing reforms that men wouldn't do.


the more important question is, are those reforms actually good :)

but yea, that's a nice list. ;)

DoctorMO
April 30th, 2007, 09:58 AM
I would like women to do well in all areas of life they wish to go into but...


Not only that, but they're doing reforms that men wouldn't do.

This is sexist, I don't find it at all amusing or correct that you consider men to always bring bad reform and bad policy; lets not be one sides please.

As for Hillary Clinton, lets hope she doesn't get in. her policies are not what people think they are and I'd hate for people to vote for her simply because she's a woman.

elizabeth
May 1st, 2007, 12:12 AM
I agree with you, DoctorMO.

And my friends know me to be a quite the feminist, and that's why I wouldn't vote for anyone just because of their gender. A true feminist wants equality.

Hendrixski
May 2nd, 2007, 03:54 AM
This is sexist, I don't find it at all amusing or correct that you consider men to always bring bad reform and bad policy; lets not be one sides please.



Let me clarify what I meant (and change one word in my orrigal post). Reforms that men wouldn't _think_ to do ... Not "couldn't" or "won't" do.. .just simply wouldn't think to do because there's a difference (be it cultural or biological, you decide) between what men and women value, and thus their thought processes. As a complete unintended consequence, the laws that are passed, only appeal to the thought process and values of half the population.

There's nothing sexist about that, just statistical.

The statement in no way implies that the reforms passed by men are bad, or that women would pass better reforms. Simply, a new way of thinking would be introduced that wasn't there before, making the very nature of passing legislation appeal to a greater percentage of the population. Ergo better democracy.

DoctorMO
May 2nd, 2007, 06:44 AM
Let me clarify what I meant (and change one word in my orrigal post). Reforms that men wouldn't _think_ to do ... Not "couldn't" or "won't" do.. .just simply wouldn't think to do because there's a difference (be it cultural or biological, you decide) between what men and women value, and thus their thought processes. As a complete unintended consequence, the laws that are passed, only appeal to the thought process and values of half the population.

And it's still sexist, yes there is a biological and mental difference between _most_ men and _most_ women, youll find though that 25% of men have female brain types and 25% of women have male brain types. that's the problem with statistics they don't apply to everybody and the only thing they give you is approximations and guess work; you shouldn't read too much into it because:


The statement in no way implies that the reforms passed by men are bad, or that women would pass better reforms. Simply, a new way of thinking would be introduced that wasn't there before, making the very nature of passing legislation appeal to a greater percentage of the population. Ergo better democracy.

To infer that the pure reasoning behind decisions is compromised by altered focus of the minister based on weather their reproductive cells are large or small is still missing the point. there is a greater difference between the focus and views of two conservative Male MPs than can be found in the mean average of political focus between men and women.

You read far too much into the differences between the sexes and not enough into the similarities. can you not just accept that any slight difference in view and focus which aligns more closely to your own views is good for your own politics?

Saying all that I think that women, the poor, animals and trees all have to some degree or another bad representation in government. but I won't be voting in an Oak tree at my next local election.