Double Standards

[mips]

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2325596&postcount=9

First: I have been granted permission to post here from ubuntu-geek.

I reported a post by another user that posted to that thread and it was deleted. This user though gets special privileages ? I could not care if he was sabfl or the pope etc, they are no more special than the rest of the users.

Looking back in history other people other than the OP besides staff & admin were NOT allowed to post to a existing resolution centre thread.

Why do you have rules and then have exceptions for some people. Looks like some are more equal than others. Are you not suppose to apply the rules fairly and across the board ???

What you are doing is making a mockery of the rules and tarnishing your own integrity by granting certain individuals special privileages.

This is absolutely unacceptable !

Cheers
mips

[matthew]

Perhaps the FC needs to take a look at the Resolution Center rules and update them slightly.

The rule in question, allowing only the original poster and admins to post in a thread, was created because of abusive and rude posting by people not directly involved in an issue.

An exception has been made in this case. The user you refer to contacted ubuntu-geek via PM. That message was forwarded to all the FC members. We found it interesting, kindly worded, polite, and applicable to the current issue being discussed. He was given permission to post it in the thread.

As a direct answer to your complaint; yep, it was a double standard. Just like people all over the world we tend to favor those who speak with clarity, kindness, gentle words, and polite manners. It's amazing what one can achieve with friendly behavior. If that "tarnishes our integrity," well, that is unfortunate. Honestly, I think the objection is a little overblown.

Is the action completely fair? Probably not. Is it worth getting riled up about? Probably not. This is just a silly little tech forum, not a world government. The Ubuntu Forums are just a place to hang out, talk about Ubuntu, Linux in general, and have a little fun. There's no need to take stuff so seriously.

[mips]

Sorry Matthew, that explanation/justification does not cut it.

The rules (#3 &#4) are clear. I do not care how polite and civil the poster was. The fact remains that an exception has been made and someone was given special treatment.

When other users posted to resolution threads, I'm talking about the polite civil ones, their posts were removed. So manners and civility has nothing to do with this.

Would all other users be granted the same privileages if they asked ubuntu-geek ? Somehow I think not as then everyone would try it and you would have a problem if some were allowed and others denied. I suspect the individuals status wrt Xubuntu project comes into play here.

The excuse that this is not a world government etc is irrelavant and sounds like an excuse to make the issue at hand sound trivial & frivolous. My concerns are genuine and you make it sound as if I'm getting worked up about nothing.

[KiwiNZ]

An exception decision was made by an Administrator and Forum Council Member , who is also the Council Chair. BEFORE the post was made, A big difference.

That is it .

[mips]

An exception decision was made by an Administrator and Forum Council Member , who is also the Council Chair.



I don't care, it is irrelevant as it still violates the rules and grants special treatment to some individuals. The decision was the wrong one to make, even more so coming from someone in that position as it is an abuse of power.

I cannot believe this allowed to happen and people are justifying it with a straight face as if nothing is wrong here.

[KiwiNZ]

As an exception was granted by Forum Manangement the post does not break the rules.

Thankyou for your posts ,we will close this matter now .

[matthew]

Actually, I'm not justifying it with a straight face. I'm justifying it with a bemused expression, wondering how on earth we have come to this.

Honestly, this sounds just like the petty bickering that resounds through parliaments all over the world--where people who don't like what is happening in general, find a technicality to hang their grievance on and push it for all it's worth, attaching undue emotion and importance to a relatively small matter.

Is there something bigger on your mind?

[mips]

As an exception was granted by Forum Manangement the post does not break the rules.

Thankyou for your posts ,we will close this matter now .

So when you make exceptions to suite yourself that break the rules it is ok ? Yet when someone else breaks the rules it incurs infractions or banning ?

I do not consider the matter closed.

[mips]

Is there something bigger on your mind?

No, just that double standards are being applied.

[matthew]

So when you make exceptions to suite yourself that break the rules it is ok ?In some cases.


Yet when someone else breaks the rules it incurs infractions or banning ?Also, in some cases. Many more times, neither infractions nor bans occur. Some are issued friendly warnings. Still others are missed. A few are intentionally overlooked in the hopes that the person was just having a bad day--which is sometimes the case.

It is not our goal to be a police state, merely an enjoyable place to hang out and talk about Ubuntu, Linux, and other stuff in a lighthearted, friendly atmosphere.


I do not consider the matter closed.It is closed only in the sense that you are not going to receive the answer you seem to be expecting/demanding.

[jdong]

Ok, this is just a mockery of the process.

Please cease and desist your bickering now. This is your final warning.

[mips]

Ok, this is just a mockery of the process.

Please cease and desist your bickering now. This is your final warning.



What should be posted here?
1. ...
2. ...
3. If there is a pending forum issue that isn't being handled correctly by forum staff.
4. If you do not believe a staff member's actions were in line with the Forum Guidelines.


So now it is a mockery when I question how things are done. If wonder if anyone sees the irony here.
And for doing so I receive a final warning ?

[mips]

If wonder if anyone sees the irony here.

Should read, " I wonder if anyone sees the irony here."

[jdong]

So now it is a mockery when I question how things are done. If wonder if anyone sees the irony here.
And for doing so I receive a final warning ?
You have questioned how things are done, and have received a response regarding it. The process has run its course.

[KiwiNZ]

I agree with jdong

This matter has run its course and closed