Linux users shouLdn't think the whole world owes you.

[Sunnz]

Have recently read a blog about a petition for iTunes Linux, the blog is 'proudly' made by a Mac user.

http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/02/speaking-of-linux.html

Just to quote some important and things I don't particularly agree:
Okay, weirdos! We'll get right on it. Jesus. You know, if you want to go run some obscure operating system that nobody else uses, fine. But don't think the whole world owes you free applications too.

What? Who are you here to say nobody uses Linux? It is everywhere these days, perhaps the default alternative to Windows for those who got sick of MS.

On the other hand:
Go make your own music store, losers. Oh, but no, it's much easier to just sign petitions.I believe it has already been done, Amork, iPodLinux, etc.

This is no call for SPAM, but for those who cared, we shall all post a comment there to show them the real number of Linux user base. After-all, there are no real reliable source of Linux user base, it is just too complex, Linux can be dual-boot with Windows, or even on a Mac!!!

[tigerpants]

It's satirical, dude, he's taking the **** out of all of it, Mac, Linux, the lot.

Lighten up. :)

[Adamant1988]

Have recently read a blog about a petition for iTunes Linux, the blog is 'proudly' made by a Mac user.

http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/02/speaking-of-linux.html

Just to quote some important and things I don't particularly agree:

What? Who are you here to say nobody uses Linux? It is everywhere these days, perhaps the default alternative to Windows for those who got sick of MS.

On the other hand:I believe it has already been done, Amork, iPodLinux, etc.

This is no call for SPAM, but for those who cared, we shall all post a comment there to show them the real number of Linux user base. After-all, there are no real reliable source of Linux user base, it is just too complex, Linux can be dual-boot with Windows, or even on a Mac!!!

Let's analyze this a bit..

http:// Ok... looks like we're starting a web address.
fakesteve Oh dear, it says *fake*, kind of hard to get in flames about that...

We'll just stop here.


It's a joke, down you can tell all the zealots to go home now. There is no fire.

[picpak]

Yeah, even without the "fake" in the title it's obvious it's fake. I mean, spamming and assulting Wikipedia isn't going to get you anywhere.

[Wangsta]

Wait, you mean the whole world doesn't owe us free applications?

[rolando2424]

Wait, you mean the whole world doesn't owe us free applications?

No, they just own us free porn :guitar:

[Adamant1988]

No, they just own us free porn :guitar:

You, and others like you are a burden to society. :)

[Mateo]

i have no idea why anyone would want itunes on linux. Resource hog applications like that are the reason I started using linux. i'll take rhythmbox, or listen, or amarok, or any of those similar low-resource players, thanks.

[rolando2424]

You, and others like you are a burden to society. :)

Yes I am :D

[ozw]

Crudely stated, but he does have a point hidden in there. I have a major problem with most Linux users because they act as if they're better than everyone else because they go out of their way to use Linux and open source. I mean, Linux is great, and there's a certain freedom about open source that's just wonderful, but there's no reason to be arrogant about it. Linux isn't for everybody, and a lot of users don't seem to understand that. They look down on everyone who doesn't use Linux and all open source programs. The worst part is, when Windows users do try out Linux, they laugh at them and call them a n00b and offer no help at all. And many are against having Linux progs such as Amarok being ported to Windows and want them all to themselves. It's really the open source community in general, because I ran into the same kind of people when I tried to set-up foobar2000 on Windows. I was met with loads of people who refused to make the program easier to set up (WTF RTFM n00b, figure it out yourself) and when certain features were requested such as having the capability to read album art from ID3 tags (because it's inefficient and you shouldn't want that capability anyway, never mind that just about every portable mp3 player on the market uses album art this way). People like this go against the whole ideology of open source. Open source is supposed to encourage people to make software the best it can be and the most useful, for everyone, not just one particular "in-crowd."

Before anyone jumps down my throat, this wasn't meant to attack anyone here. In fact, I would like to send a big thank you to the Ubuntu community, because most of you are NOT like this. This is what separates the Ubuntu community from the rest of the Linux/open source community. Ubuntu/Kubuntu have been made very easy to use for users new to Linux and especially people coming over from Windows and the community support is loads better than any other distro I've come across. I wish the rest of the Linux/open source community would be more like the Ubuntu community.

Anyone else have a similar experience to this? I don't think it's coincidence that Ubuntu has become so popular lately. I think it's not just because of the ease of use of the distro itself, but the community as well. Gold star, guys.

[igknighted]

Crudely stated, but he does have a point hidden in there. I have a major problem with most Linux users because they act as if they're better than everyone else because they go out of their way to use Linux and open source. I mean, Linux is great, and there's a certain freedom about open source that's just wonderful, but there's no reason to be arrogant about it. Linux isn't for everybody, and a lot of users don't seem to understand that. They look down on everyone who doesn't use Linux and all open source programs. The worst part is, when Windows users do try out Linux, they laugh at them and call them a n00b and offer no help at all. And many are against having Linux progs such as Amarok being ported to Windows and want them all to themselves. It's really the open source community in general, because I ran into the same kind of people when I tried to set-up foobar2000 on Windows. I was met with loads of people who refused to make the program easier to set up (WTF RTFM n00b, figure it out yourself) and when certain features were requested such as having the capability to read album art from ID3 tags (because it's inefficient and you shouldn't want that capability anyway, never mind that just about every portable mp3 player on the market uses album art this way). People like this go against the whole ideology of open source. Open source is supposed to encourage people to make software the best it can be and the most useful, for everyone, not just one particular "in-crowd."

Before anyone jumps down my throat, this wasn't meant to attack anyone here. In fact, I would like to send a big thank you to the Ubuntu community, because most of you are NOT like this. This is what separates the Ubuntu community from the rest of the Linux/open source community. Ubuntu/Kubuntu have been made very easy to use for users new to Linux and especially people coming over from Windows and the community support is loads better than any other distro I've come across. I wish the rest of the Linux/open source community would be more like the Ubuntu community.

Anyone else have a similar experience to this? I don't think it's coincidence that Ubuntu has become so popular lately. I think it's not just because of the ease of use of the distro itself, but the community as well. Gold star, guys.

Excellent points, go browse the gentoo forums if you doubt this post. I barely use ubuntu at all anymore, but I stay on these forums because they are the best linux community out there.

[Brunellus]

Proprietary software vendors don't owe us anything.

[borris.morris]

No, but it would be nice to buy some of the ITunes songs and be able to plug and play an IPod. Sometimes commercial non-open source stuff can be good. After all, how many people are using VMWare? It's not open source.

[Brunellus]

No, but it would be nice to buy some of the ITunes songs and be able to plug and play an IPod. Sometimes commercial non-open source stuff can be good. After all, how many people are using VMWare? It's not open source.
I don't use VMware because it's not Free Software. Also, I have no need for it (personally). If Free Software virtualization gets better (which it's slated to), I'll consider it.

Free Software does not mean non-commercial. If a commercial entity makes Free Software, it has certain obligations that attach to the license under which that software is distributed. If the software is entirely proprietary, they don't owe anyone anything.

[igknighted]

No, but it would be nice to buy some of the ITunes songs and be able to plug and play an IPod. Sometimes commercial non-open source stuff can be good. After all, how many people are using VMWare? It's not open source.

My iPod is PnP, and is faily new (nano), I hadn't really much considered this an issue. As for iTunes, I don't think that would be a good business move for Apple. Lots of extra development, mayb a lot of people download it, but I don't think many linux users would buy from their store, too much DRM.

[muguwmp67]

My iPod is PnP, and is faily new (nano), I hadn't really much considered this an issue. As for iTunes, I don't think that would be a good business move for Apple. Lots of extra development, mayb a lot of people download it, but I don't think many linux users would buy from their store, too much DRM.

The Itunes store is easy to use and all, and it is pretty easy to bypass the DRM by burning a CD and ripping it, but the Itunes store seems to me to be a non-issue not only for linux users, but for all Ipod owners. Jobs just said last week that less than 5% of the tracks on the average Ipod come from Itunes. I do not know whether Itunes is a financial success for Apple, but I don't think that it is a significant factor in terms of the media marketplace.

[karellen]

"Linux users shoudn't think the whole world owes you." - I see only frustration and dogmatism in this statement, nothing more. Nobody claimed such a fact, so what's the all point of this?...

[doobit]

I am against iTunes supporting Linux - unless, of course, they make the downloads free... \\:D/


I am against iTunes supporting Linux - unless, of course, they make the downloads free... \\:D/

I'm joking man.

[Wangsta]

Actually, it's been scientifically proven that people who use Linux are genetically superior to those who don't. I think we should rise up and take our rightful place as overlords of the universe.

[DoctorMO]

Open source is supposed to encourage people to make software the best it can be and the most useful

No, you fail to grasp the real point; developers don't owe you a free lunch nor do they _have_ to cater to you either or support your queries. it's so typical of human beings to assume that because someone makes a nice bit of software and gives it away that the develoeprs should be held in some kind of eternal support hell for it.

please please get off your donkey, support your self, support others and then add or pay someone to add the feature you really want; moaning at the developers is such a daft thing to do because you assume what drives developers is getting more users when most of the time it isn't. that is what drives evangelicals.

The main point about itunes is that it isn't standards compliant; mostly because there aren't any standards to comply to. so until someone comes up with some funky xml/rss music store standard and submits it to W3C; all the wind in the world won't blow the itunes music store to linux.

[maniacmusician]

I don't use VMware because it's not Free Software. Also, I have no need for it (personally). If Free Software virtualization gets better (which it's slated to), I'll consider it.


VirtualBox is making leaps and strides. It's not completely free (some components are proprietary) but they do have an "open source edition" that you can compile yourself. I'm not sure exactly what it's missing, but it's still very usable.

Or if you don't mind a few non-free components, you can use their Ubuntu binary.