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Oki
February 3rd, 2007, 01:47 PM
Linux can learn a great deal from Microsoft; Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates did it so lets do the same as they!

First, lets make a commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk

Then lets lets all meet; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc and again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUAr-P_39U

and we need to work and work and work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_u1jPLOIA


he he sorry if you have seen them before! He is Crazy!! What crack is he using - I want some he he he

Zuuswa
February 3rd, 2007, 11:08 PM
He's just compensating for lack of content in his software.

floke
February 4th, 2007, 12:36 AM
What a.

finferflu
February 4th, 2007, 12:49 AM
I didn't know that guy was so insane... I think if that was known to many people there would be a lot of customers getting away from Microsoft...

raul_
February 4th, 2007, 01:03 AM
On competition

Ballmer is also known as a vocal critic of competing companies and their products. He has referred to the free Linux software system as a "[…] cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches."[7] and earlier described it as having "[…] characteristics of communism that people love so very, very much about it."[8] In 2004, he made headlines by claiming that the most common format of music on iPods is "stolen"[9]. During an interview with Fortune magazine, he was asked whether he used an iPod, and replied, "No, I do not. Nor do my children. My children--in many dimensions they're as poorly behaved as many other children, but at least on this dimension I've got my kids brainwashed: You don't use Google, and you don't use an iPod."[10]

From Wikipedia

RAV TUX
February 4th, 2007, 03:46 AM
Linux can learn a great deal from Microsoft; Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates did it so lets do the same as they!

First, lets make a commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk

Then lets lets all meet; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc and again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUAr-P_39U

and we need to work and work and work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_u1jPLOIA


he he sorry if you have seen them before! He is Crazy!! What crack is he using - I want some he he he

odd.

RAV TUX
February 4th, 2007, 04:05 AM
I like this one the best...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tX4N2oUa2Q

RAV TUX
February 4th, 2007, 04:53 AM
this is even more classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrAD25V7ll8

FuturePilot
February 4th, 2007, 05:16 AM
this is even more classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrAD25V7ll8

I've seen that one before. Classic:lolflag:

raul_
February 4th, 2007, 07:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMFYOzg_VWY

This one is hilarious.

"WHO'S IN CHARGE OF MICROS...oh..."

drfalkor
February 4th, 2007, 07:06 AM
I belive we're already here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk :)

sympeltun
February 4th, 2007, 10:19 AM
Gotta love those videos, all of them! :D

phossal
February 4th, 2007, 10:35 AM
It's interesting to see the reactions to this guy. First of all, no matter what you do, or what you think you dress like, 20 years from now you're going to look as stupid as he did 20 years ago. None of us will be as wealthy though. Second, many of us feel as strongly about our chosen OS, whether it's Ubuntu, or another flavor of Linux, or something entirely different. We often say things that are just as dumb, except most of lack the tenacity, the resilience, the focus, and the drive to make sure it ends up in the house of every user who owns a computer.

I wish I were a little bit more like Mr. Ballmer in that way. He may have some faults, but no one in this thread has addressed one yet. The guy is a business warrior. That's more than any of us, a bunch of Ubuntu weenies, can say.

raul_
February 4th, 2007, 10:46 AM
It's interesting to see the reactions to this guy. First of all, no matter what you do, or what you think you dress like, 20 years from now you're going to look as stupid as he did 20 years ago. None of us will be as wealthy though. Second, many of us feel as strongly about our chosen OS, whether it's Ubuntu, or another flavor of Linux, or something entirely different. We often say things that are just as dumb, except most of lack the tenacity, the resilience, the focus, and the drive to make sure it ends up in the house of every user who owns a computer.

I wish I were a little bit more like Mr. Ballmer in that way. He may have some faults, but no one in this thread has addressed one yet. The guy is a business warrior. That's more than any of us, a bunch of Ubuntu weenies, can say.

Eh...i like Mark better..i don't think it's that hard to make a business plan for microsoft..if anything i think their losing market share now.

Sunnz
February 4th, 2007, 01:42 PM
This one is pretty cool too(MS CEO vs Apple CEO): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOWpLC-_S6E maybe there should be a RMS vs Balmer one? I love to see it if they get into a live debate!!!

Anyway, for Linux itself, you can well copy how Balmer said: $1000? $500? No it is FREE!!!

mcglnx
February 4th, 2007, 02:34 PM
We have some:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BOCfzkXJOc&mode=related&search=

OffHand
February 4th, 2007, 02:50 PM
It's interesting to see the reactions to this guy. First of all, no matter what you do, or what you think you dress like, 20 years from now you're going to look as stupid as he did 20 years ago. None of us will be as wealthy though. Second, many of us feel as strongly about our chosen OS, whether it's Ubuntu, or another flavor of Linux, or something entirely different. We often say things that are just as dumb, except most of lack the tenacity, the resilience, the focus, and the drive to make sure it ends up in the house of every user who owns a computer.

I wish I were a little bit more like Mr. Ballmer in that way. He may have some faults, but no one in this thread has addressed one yet. The guy is a business warrior. That's more than any of us, a bunch of Ubuntu weenies, can say.

I think you missed something...

Balmer:


Ballmer is also known as a vocal critic of competing companies and their products. He has referred to the free Linux software system as a "[] cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches."[7] and earlier described it as having "[] characteristics of communism that people love so very, very much about it."[8] In 2004, he made headlines by claiming that the most common format of music on iPods is "stolen"[9]. During an interview with Fortune magazine, he was asked whether he used an iPod, and replied, "No, I do not. Nor do my children. My children--in many dimensions they're as poorly behaved as many other children, but at least on this dimension I've got my kids brainwashed: You don't use Google, and you don't use an iPod."[10]

phossal
February 4th, 2007, 03:06 PM
I think you missed something...

I didn't miss it at all. It's like comparing the American Democratic Party with the Republican Party. You might not agree with the Republicans, but you can't dismiss the effectiveness of their methods without a) being insane, b) falling victim to them or c) both.

Of course the dude is opposed to linux. The guys who run a successful business would do virtually anything to protect it and obliterate their competition. I like that. I don't prefer Microsoft, but their method of controlling a market and delivering a product is genius.

raul_
February 4th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Honestly, IMHO, i just think they were lucky. They had a contract with a major computer manufacturer and they bundled the software with it. I think Apple recently is doing a much better job, and iPod is the proof. Microsoft had been declining these past years, but only critic wise- I think pretty much every IT magazine says Vista isn't a big deal..but in the end, almost everyone is forced to use Vista.

But even the European Union is considering switching entirely to Linux because of the costs of Vista (You can find the article here in the forum)

Saying Ballmer/Gates are genius? Not being a Linux fanboy, i don't think so. Is Ballmer doing a good job since he took over? Well, it's difficult to do a bad one in his position, but i don't see what he has done that really marks the difference...sorry man

phossal
February 4th, 2007, 03:20 PM
Honestly, IMHO, i just think they were lucky. They had a contract with a major computer manufacturer and they bundled the software with it. I think Apple recently is doing a much better job, and iPod is the proof. Microsoft had been declining these past years, but only critic wise- I think pretty much every IT magazine says Vista isn't a big deal..but in the end, almost everyone is forced to use Vista.

But even the European Union is considering switching entirely to Linux because of the costs of Vista (You can find the article here in the forum)

Saying Ballmer/Gates are genius? Not being a Linux fanboy, i don't think so. Is Ballmer doing a good job since he took over? Well, it's difficult to do a bad one in his position, but i don't see what he has done that really marks the difference...sorry man

I'm not the type to really enjoy a debate. Believe me, the average American doesn't care what the EU is doing. No need to be sorry at all. The richest man in the world is, according to your theory, simultaneously the luckiest man in the world. It's a rational possibility. Unless you've ever had a job. And if you've ever tried to run the simplest of businesses, you would be more inclined to think his 100 hour weeks, constant attention and focus, tenaciousness, ruthlessness, and borderline OCD have something to do with it.

Forget that it's Microsoft. In the sense that he's taken advantage of the computer industry, you're probably right, he's lucky he was born in the right decade. In terms of tenaciousness and desire and ability, they possess more of each than either you or me, and would likely be better than either of us at everything we might like to do. That's all.

xmastree
February 4th, 2007, 03:32 PM
Can I just say:

http://vierranet.blogspot.com/2006/11/young-frankensteve.html

Enjoy.

phossal
February 4th, 2007, 03:38 PM
lol That's hilarious. That guy is an idiot! =D That's just worse for the rest of us who suck even more.

raul_
February 4th, 2007, 06:05 PM
IBelieve me, the average American doesn't care what the EU is doing.

May I replace "the EU" with "anyone".



The richest man in the world is, according to your theory, simultaneously the luckiest man in the world.

I never said that the luck was proportional to money, but ok. I still think he was lucky. IBM was the major force. Microsoft bundled their software with IBM computers. They got spread. But ok, maybe it was a good deal for Microsoft.Props for that.


Unless you've ever had a job. And if you've ever tried to run the simplest of businesses, you would be more inclined to think his 100 hour weeks, constant attention and focus, tenaciousness, ruthlessness, and borderline OCD have something to do with it.


Again, i didn't say I was better than anyone. I may even think that Bill Gates is a better business man than Steve Jobs (I always thought he was too elitist, and still is). Is Bill Gates a good businessman? No doubt. But i doubt that 100% of what he is and has today, was all made by his hand. It's a common pratice - The employees work, the boss takes the credit.

Again. Is he a good businessman? No doubt. Is he the best? big doubt. Does he "deserve" to be the richest man in the world? I don't think so, but again, skill and luck are a powerful mix.
Do I support his way of making money? No. Do i support the Mob's way of doing money? No. But I also acknowledge that they're smart, and they have some (a lot) of skill at what they do.
That doesn't save them.

And I say it again..i think it's virtually impossible for an average businessman from a good college to screw up Microsoft with the Empire that was built.

PS: I'm sorry, I didn't want to create this into a flame thread, but i have some trouble expressing my ideas..English is not my mother language

argie
February 4th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Wow phossal, haha. You admire cut-throat business practice? I don't get it, why?

When it comes to businesses, I admire a good product, but am willing to go with one not-as-good if the alternatives are 'bad' businesses (y'know, cartels and ones which abuse monopolies and such) because in the long run that works out against me as a consumer. And as is usually the case, most big companies are a product of a combination of luck, hard work and intelligence.

Oh, and I do buy software, just not anything that's priced over 35 USD equivalent and definitely not games.

phossal
February 4th, 2007, 11:05 PM
Truthfully, I don't know what the average American thinks about. I don't like to generalize, and I'm not sure there really is such thing anymore anyway. I don't like debate either. Even if I knew something about the American business experience that others didn't, I don't have any motivation to share it with anyone else. Finally, I don't necessarily like Microsoft. After all, I'm using Ubuntu and playing in the forums. I don't really get into the Microsoft bashing though, because the points of contention are usually far removed from the things that make or break a good company, or elevate Ubuntu. Call Gates an idiot, and Ballmer a monkey - and no one benefits. It's just a bunch of useless chatter, and I'm disappointed I was caught up in it.

I did think a few of the videos were creative.