Click'N'Run on Ubuntu - good or bad?

[Sammi]

Please read before you choose:

Just so that you'll base your opinion on something up to date, please see these pages for new info on CNR:

Wikipedia.org on CNR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click%27N%27Run

CNR's official homepage: http://www.cnr.com/

Screenshots and diagram of Ubuntu integration: http://www.cnr.com/screenshots.html

[SunnyRabbiera]

This could be positive, CNR does provide a good alternative to the traditional way we install things in linux and on the other side there are many negitives about CNR.
But i can see a good positive here, linspire has for the longest time offered proprietary drivers and format support and is backed by some of the heavy hitters in the industry.
I would not mind the ability to purchase the rights to play MP3's, DVD's, WMA's, MOV's, etc as that makes linux legitimate.
CNR can be a heavy positive for us.

[weatherman]

choice is good, cnr is bad.

[SunnyRabbiera]

well with the source code coming it would be easy to make something that is a lot better.

[xabbott]

If you want wide spread adoption of Linux/Ubuntu CNR is good. A common software delivery method is really important for commercial software developers.

I've never used Linspire or Freespire, they aren't my type of Linux distro. But I really appreciate the efforts they have taken in getting more widespread adoption for OS alternatives.

The amount of negativity they receive from the Linux community is ridiculous. Regardless of your opinion of the distros they are one of the few really trying to do what it takes to bring Linux to more desktops.

[PriceChild]

What happens when users install random software for CNR then decide to come here because things have broken?

apt is THE way to install packages on Ubuntu, anything more and you're asking for breakage.

[Eddie Wilson]

I do believe that this could be a really good thing for linux. Now people are wanting to try something else but are fearful of the command line or even Synaptic or whatever other distros may use for package downloads. You have to admit that sometimes the program names are not all that great when you go looking at what you can download. This would really make it simple for new linux users. If you didn't want to use it thats ok too. I don't think its crap like some people voted. Why would they say that? It would be nice if at least they would give their opinion why they like or dislike it.
Have a Nice Day,:)
Eddie

[frodon]

This has been discussed many times and ended in flame war really often.

Those who need to pay because lbdvdcss and things like that are not allowed in their country generally see an interest in this and others have in general no interest in CNR.

So if you want an overview of the question please read the existing threads :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138603
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138616
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136860
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138366

I think the topic has been well discussed already in the existing threads, i see no need of this poll since it's pretty much the same one than the one in the links i gave.

[tbroderick]

What happens when users install random software for CNR then decide to come here because things have broken?


They appear to be syncing the Ubuntu repo's with CNR, so in theory it shouldn't lead to any major breakage. I'd imagine that most people will just use CNR to install 3rd party apps that aren't in the Ubuntu repo's because of various reasons like licensing.

[G Morgan]

What happens when users install random software for CNR then decide to come here because things have broken?

apt is THE way to install packages on Ubuntu, anything more and you're asking for breakage.

CNR does use Apt though, it integrates with the normal system.

It's quite simple really, either it works and people will use it or it sucks and people won't. Nobody will be forced either way.

[Ghil]

I'm not interested, but for widespread adoption of linux, this could be a plus :)

[corstar]

There's an easier way! It's called synaptic....
or did everyone forget about klik or autopackage?

[Ghil]

yeah but Synaptic doesn't allow proprietary programs and drivers, whereas CNR does.

[frodon]

yeah but Synaptic doesn't allow proprietary programs and drivers, whereas CNR does.What about nvidia drivers, w32codecs, libdvdcss, skype, google earth which are proprietary programs and which you can install with synaptic after puting the good repository.
So yes synaptic allow to install proprietary programs, it is just apt command you just need the good repository, now you can create non free repository to make business if one wish.

[Sammi]

This has been discussed many times and ended in flame war really often.

Those who need to pay because lbdvdcss and things like that are not allowed in their country generally see an interest in this and others have in general no interest in CNR.

So if you want an overview of the question please read the existing threads :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138603
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138616
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136860
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138366

I think the topic has been well discussed already in the existing threads, i see no need of this poll since it's pretty much the same one than the one in the links i gave.
How embarrassing :oops:

But just to defend myself a little: those polls are almost one year old. There has been a fair deal of development in CNR's plans to offer their services to more distributions. The plan seems more palpable today than 11 months ago, and this could be grounds for a new round of discussion on the subject.

[Ghil]

true, but I was talking basicly, you can't without adding another repos :) but then it defeats the "one-click" criteria that most people look for...

[Dr. C]

The big plus for CNR in Ubuntu is that it allows for the easy installation of commercial software. This can be commercial versions of opensource for example CrossoverOffice or propriety codecs etc. It is a big plus, but it is not for everyone.

[frodon]

@Sammi, no problem i just wanted to point the other threads which showed at the time the global opinion of ubuntuforums users.
I'm curious to see if the poll will produce the same results than 10 month ago.

@Ghil, for the one click criteria i think the add/remove apps do it perfectly however there isn't any legal repository with solutions for dvd libraries and so on in countries where libdvdcss isn't legal so i think that on this market CNR is a good alternative.
But i think that if a company would create a non-free repositories which you have to pay for you would have the same ease of use with synaptic and the add/remove apps. The strongness of CNR on this purpose is that they are pretty much alone to offer a legal solution.

[Brynster]

Its all about choice.

I see nobody holding a gun to your head forcing you to use CnR. If your happy using synaptic, Apt, Autopackage, Klik, kliket, adept or anything your comfortable with.

If CnR releases somebody from the shackles of MS is that really a bad thing?

[Sammi]

There are two pretty nifty things that Synaptic doesn't have, but CNR has - those are reviews and screenshots. I bet a lot of newbie users would find this very useful for deciding what application to get.

ATM Synaptic does not do a good job at explaining the usefulness of the available software, and CNR could be a good remedy for this.
Especially now that it is claimed that CNR integrates with apt-get and Synaptic.

[tkjacobsen]

There are two pretty nifty things Synaptic doesn't have that CNR has - that is reviews and screenshots. I bet a lot of newbie users would find this very useful for deciding what application to get.

ATM Synaptic does not do a good job at explaining the usefulness of the available software, and CNR could be a good remedy for this.
Especially now that it is claimed that CNR integrates with apt-get and Synaptic.

Then add these features to synaptic and make a cnr like frontend to apt... Better than breaking your system with unsupported third party apps

[G Morgan]

CNR will be a frontend to Apt, this is what people keep ignoring.

I'm not sure how the third party apps will work but it would be trivial to integrate them properly.