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fuscia
January 14th, 2007, 12:09 AM
that's right, i take back every rotten thing i've ever said about e17. not that it isn't nuts, but i think i'm hooked. it does two things i like: it's fast and it's pretty (not in a beryl kind of way, but more in an 'audrey hepburn on crack' kind of way).

BarfBag
January 14th, 2007, 12:12 AM
Eww. That wallpaper is gross.

...and what's e17? A window manager?

parker13
January 14th, 2007, 12:13 AM
that's right, i take back every rotten thing i've ever said about e17. not that it isn't nuts, but i think i'm hooked. it does two things i like: it's fast and it's pretty (not in a beryl kind of way, but more in an 'audrey hepburn on crack' kind of way).

I used E16 for ages, and that seems like a *very* long time ago. If anyone is on crack, it's the developers.

zaratustra
January 14th, 2007, 12:15 AM
@ BarfBag: it is Development Release of Enlightenment... try google:) it is nice... got it installed on my gentoo box but I don't use it... XFCE rox:)

fuscia
January 14th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Eww. That wallpaper is gross.

oh c'mon now, barf...


...and what's e17? A window manager?

it's a shell, which i guess is more than a window manager and less than a desktop environment.

blackened
January 14th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Personally I think e17 is the sexiest environment available on any platform (this includes OSX and Aero). The only problem I have ever seen with it is how easily it can be broken, and with how I like to tinker with things that can be disastrous. Also it is sometimes irreparably broken by updates, but the developers warn everyone of this, so I can't fault them for it.

zaratustra
January 14th, 2007, 12:20 AM
Developers are still fixing and doing other stuff with 16... DR17 will probably never went into stable:/ it likes to broke:))

Tiede
January 14th, 2007, 12:20 AM
I agree. Nothing - and I do weight every word - nothing in the world of OS environment compares to e17 in beauty&speed combo. Blows my mind away.

fuscia
January 14th, 2007, 12:24 AM
according to my weather epplet (is that what they're called?), it's 136 degrees fahrenheit here in north carolina.

Tiede
January 14th, 2007, 12:44 AM
The epplet takes it's info from the weather.gov (http://www.weather.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml) website. Maybe your location is wrong... Otherwise, it must be a problem with weather.gov Can't pin it on the E!

blackened
January 14th, 2007, 02:12 AM
The weather epplet is kinda flaky. I never could get it to function correctly. It always tried to make me think I was in Tokyo, and, while I wish I were, I'm not.

Tomosaur
January 14th, 2007, 03:00 AM
I have not once got any enlightenment to work, and it makes me sad. It thinks I have some wacko mouse with one button, AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING :'(

slimdog360
January 14th, 2007, 04:09 AM
according to my weather epplet (is that what they're called?), it's 136 degrees here in north carolina.

It was 41 degrees celsius (106 fahrenheit) up where I worked the other day. And the next day I heard it got up to 44 celsius (111 fahrenheit) up north a bit further.

blackened
January 14th, 2007, 05:06 AM
We get some weeks like that here in Oklahoma during the summer. And that holds with our signature erratic weather patterns. Ex. yesterday it was 67 degrees F, today it hasn't breached 30 and we have a crap ton of sleet.

There are a few howtos floating around for e17 under Ubuntu.

One here. (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=e17+howto)
Another here (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319336&highlight=e17+howto).

TheRingmaster
January 14th, 2007, 05:51 AM
E17 is sweet!!!

PriceChild
January 14th, 2007, 05:54 AM
I love e17!!!

I run it on a machine which is sluggish with a full xubuntu install and it runs perfectly! :)

On my main machine I run beryl & gnome though of course ;)

fuscia
January 14th, 2007, 06:12 AM
I have not once got any enlightenment to work, and it makes me sad. It thinks I have some wacko mouse with one button, AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING :'(

tried this one yet? -
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319336&highlight=e17

sloggerkhan
January 14th, 2007, 06:13 AM
I like e17, but I wish it were less buggy and had more themes... Of course it's hardly surprising that it acts how it does considering it's not a release...
My other gripe is that its default menu structures are a little annoying.

If it ever makes it to an actual release, it will be awesome.

dbbolton
January 14th, 2007, 06:14 AM
i'd use it more often if i could put the close button on the left side.

banjobacon
January 14th, 2007, 09:14 AM
It's kind of lame that both screen shots posted consist almost entirely of wallpaper.

What's so great about E17. It has a dock?

RAV TUX
January 14th, 2007, 09:21 AM
Try OzOs (http://cafelinux.org/OzOs/).

RAV TUX
January 14th, 2007, 09:23 AM
that's right, i take back every rotten thing i've ever said about e17. not that it isn't nuts, but i think i'm hooked. it does two things i like: it's fast and it's pretty (not in a beryl kind of way, but more in an 'audrey hepburn on crack' kind of way).
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22923&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1168729743 (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22923&d=1168729743)
are those Cherry Twizzlers?

TheRingmaster
January 14th, 2007, 05:29 PM
still using E16 but will wait for E18 until I use Enlightenment on a fulltime basis....

would love to see an integrated E18 with Beryl

are there any screenshots of E18 yet, or is it too early?

happy-and-lost
January 14th, 2007, 06:28 PM
I've never figured out how to set it up, but it looks promising. Are there any howtos on setting it up out there?

fuscia
January 14th, 2007, 07:20 PM
I've never figured out how to set it up, but it looks promising. Are there any howtos on setting it up out there?

check that link i posted on page2 of this thread.

wesley_of_course
January 14th, 2007, 07:20 PM
I've never figured out how to set it up, but it looks promising. Are there any howtos on setting it up out there?

Wesley here; post # 17

AgenT
January 14th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Did you try the Search function?

Doing a search for the keyword e17 in title only gives this for the very first result:
How To Install Enlightenment E17 The Easy Way (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319336&highlight=e17)

Don't be lazy!

Erik Trybom
January 14th, 2007, 08:49 PM
I like it too but I don't like to use software that early in development - especially not as the progress seems so slow. I mean, I can take a few crashes as long as it improves with each new version, but now that it's not only in an unfinished state but also seems to be so for the foreseeable future, I don't find it that appealing.

This doesn't only have to do with stability and bugs (I encountered none when I tried E17 a year back). It's also about everything around - documentation, community help, extra apps, additional themes and so on. I want to configure my desktop and E17, for all its marvels, lacks a lot of the choice that other window managers have.

Obviously I have no idea about the actual progress of the project - I'm talking about the feeling I get. I want regular updates. How's it going? Why is it taking so long? When can we expect a finished version?

nalmeth
January 14th, 2007, 09:00 PM
For anyone reading this, check out the animated backgrounds to up your dosage of E-crack. It's one of the cooler effects of e17 I think.

http://www0.get-e.org/Backgrounds/Animated/

Why is it cool? It's super-fast, awesome special-effects that don't require 3D, but best of all, its not trying to replace any other OS or Desktop. It has its own take on what a desktop could be, and its just for us.

Who said there aren't many themes? There are at least 5 cool themes packaged from the e17 repo, and they all rock.

Night Bling is my favorite

Pobega
January 14th, 2007, 09:01 PM
e17 looks nice, as opposed to ugly e16. Where can I get e17, I couldn't find it on the main site?

nalmeth
January 14th, 2007, 09:30 PM
I would recommend this way:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?&t=319336

dbbolton
January 14th, 2007, 10:51 PM
i uninstalled it this morning. the menus were completely bugged out.

john_spiral
January 14th, 2007, 11:26 PM
I've been running it for 2 days and I'm hooked!

The last OS that impressed me this much was MacOS 8. Has any genius figured how to auto hide the shelf?

floke
January 14th, 2007, 11:37 PM
Apparently no! See the reply to my post above.

Pobega
January 14th, 2007, 11:42 PM
i uninstalled it this morning. the menus were completely bugged out.

I got the same thing with mine, everything I tried to do crashed me.

icefaerie
January 14th, 2007, 11:54 PM
I miss enlightenment... I used to run it back when I used Gentoo (thank god those days are long over...). So lightweight and fast and pretty, especially on my not-so-hot hardware! Now that you guys have pointed out these HOWTOs I might have to give it a try again. Thanks! :D

petersjm
January 15th, 2007, 12:43 AM
We get some weeks like that here in Oklahoma during the summer. And that holds with our signature erratic weather patterns. Ex. yesterday it was 67 degrees F, today it hasn't breached 30 and we have a crap ton of sleet.

Oh, I spent a month (January) in OK a few years back. I remember we were building snowmen one day, and sunbathing the next. I swear! OK as the most whacked weather!

And e17... Weren't they a British boyband (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_17) a few years back?! LOL. :D

blackened
January 15th, 2007, 05:57 AM
Oh, I spent a month (January) in OK a few years back. I remember we were building snowmen one day, and sunbathing the next. I swear! OK as the most whacked weather!

And e17... Weren't they a British boyband (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_17) a few years back?! LOL. :D

Yep, we have a saying for it:
If you don't like the weather in Oklahoma, then give it a bit, it'll change.

Henry Rayker
January 15th, 2007, 06:11 AM
I would just like to chime in: I love e17 too. The speed is astounding (faster than fluxbox, XFCE and obviously GNOME) and it looks the best out of the bunch!

My main pc is still running Windows (because the machine is going to be demoted to a media center as soon as I build a new machine and it's less trouble this way) but when my new machine is up and running, it will be e17 as well.

I have fewer crashes in e17 than I did in Gnome and I think the menu structure is great (aside from the fact that the 'main' menu had an entry for 'Applications' with a sub-entry of 'Applications' with everything else as sub entries of the second one...redundancy ftl. The themes thing doesn't bother me (I'll just make my own when I have the time to look over all of the documentation and get the hang of it). The animations everywhere are incredibly nice, too.

My ONLY gripe is that there isn't a systray (although I understand Rasterman's reasoning against it). There are Modules (I think that's what they're calling them now...not epplets anymore) for just about everything I want (I still wish there were a checkgmail Module...) What would be really nice would be a module inside which you could have any systray icon (say, checkgmail or some of the gnome taskbar entries like the weather (I like the forecast you get when you click the weather) or things of that nature.)

TheRingmaster
January 15th, 2007, 08:11 PM
I would just like to chime in: I love e17 too. The speed is astounding (faster than fluxbox, XFCE and obviously GNOME) and it looks the best out of the bunch!

My main pc is still running Windows (because the machine is going to be demoted to a media center as soon as I build a new machine and it's less trouble this way) but when my new machine is up and running, it will be e17 as well.

I have fewer crashes in e17 than I did in Gnome and I think the menu structure is great (aside from the fact that the 'main' menu had an entry for 'Applications' with a sub-entry of 'Applications' with everything else as sub entries of the second one...redundancy ftl. The themes thing doesn't bother me (I'll just make my own when I have the time to look over all of the documentation and get the hang of it). The animations everywhere are incredibly nice, too.

My ONLY gripe is that there isn't a systray (although I understand Rasterman's reasoning against it). There are Modules (I think that's what they're calling them now...not epplets anymore) for just about everything I want (I still wish there were a checkgmail Module...) What would be really nice would be a module inside which you could have any systray icon (say, checkgmail or some of the gnome taskbar entries like the weather (I like the forecast you get when you click the weather) or things of that nature.)

there is a mail module, that is disabled by default, that would check gmail for you.

Izkata
January 27th, 2008, 07:07 AM
My ONLY gripe is that there isn't a systray (although I understand Rasterman's reasoning against it).

I require the use of a system tray because of Pidgin, Azureus, and Rhythmbox. Because of that, I specifically went looking - and found stalonetray, which is in the repositories. It's a standalone system tray that can be used in Enlightenment, although it's not configurable or themable...

swoll1980
January 27th, 2008, 07:27 AM
We get some weeks like that here in Oklahoma during the summer. And that holds with our signature erratic weather patterns. Ex. yesterday it was 67 degrees F, today it hasn't breached 30 and we have a crap ton of sleet.

There are a few howtos floating around for e17 under Ubuntu.

One here. (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=e17+howto)
Another here (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319336&highlight=e17+howto).

At the beginning of January here in Ohio it was in the 60's for a week 2 days later it was 0 with a wind chill of -20 talk about a system shock

Izkata
February 13th, 2008, 04:01 AM
I require the use of a system tray because of Pidgin, Azureus, and Rhythmbox. Because of that, I specifically went looking - and found stalonetray, which is in the repositories. It's a standalone system tray that can be used in Enlightenment, although it's not configurable or themable...

Since Stalonetray didn't stretch like I liked, I continued looking and also found "trayer", which is also in the repositories. It's placement and size is much more configurable from the command line, and can simply be dragged around (although not resized) afterwards

farruinn
February 13th, 2008, 04:48 AM
would love to see an integrated E18 with Beryl

I don't think you'll see that happen, at least not from the E developers, since their philosophy is not to use OpenGL/the graphics card for desktop fx.

farruinn
February 13th, 2008, 04:53 AM
... it's not only in an unfinished state but also seems to be so for the foreseeable future, I don't find it that appealing.

...

Obviously I have no idea about the actual progress of the project - I'm talking about the feeling I get. I want regular updates. How's it going? Why is it taking so long? When can we expect a finished version?

Part of the reason it's taking so long is because they're not only developing a window manager/desktop shell/what have you, they're creating a ton of supporting libraries - the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries. Imagine replacing a window manager, filesystem manager, and graphics toolkit all at once. That is essential, and only partly, what they're trying to do, which is why you don't always see rapid progress with the interface.

I agree, the feeling is that it will stay a development release forever, but I have hope they'll finish it eventually!

RAV TUX
February 13th, 2008, 05:28 AM
that's right, i take back every rotten thing i've ever said about e17. not that it isn't nuts, but i think i'm hooked. it does two things i like: it's fast and it's pretty (not in a beryl kind of way, but more in an 'audrey hepburn on crack' kind of way).

Which e17 distro did you try or did you compile from CVS?


I have not once got any enlightenment to work, and it makes me sad. It thinks I have some wacko mouse with one button, AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING :'(

Updated Link for Enlightenment install Thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546746&highlight=e17&page=7).


E17 is sweet!!!

Again, same question for you which e17 distro are you using or did you compile from CVS?


I love e17!!!

I run it on a machine which is sluggish with a full xubuntu install and it runs perfectly! :)

Same question as twice above, which e17 distro do you use or do you compile from CVS?


tried this one yet? -
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319336&highlight=e17

That thread has been closed for a reason, because it is severely out dated and will lead to a broken system, use the following up to date thread instead:
Updated Link for Enlightenment install Thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546746&highlight=e17&page=7).



are there any screenshots of E18 yet, or is it too early?

I was joking. ;)


e17 looks nice, as opposed to ugly e16. Where can I get e17, I couldn't find it on the main site?Updated Link for Enlightenment install Thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546746&highlight=e17&page=7).

Also try OzOs (http://cafelinux.org/OzOs/).

I would recommend this way:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?&t=319336

Again; that thread has been closed for a reason, because it is severely out dated and will lead to a broken system, use the following up to date thread instead:
Updated Link for Enlightenment install Thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546746&highlight=e17&page=7).


I got the same thing with mine, everything I tried to do crashed me.

once again only follow the directive in this thread:
Updated Link for Enlightenment install Thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546746&highlight=e17&page=7).



I don't think you'll see that happen, at least not from the E developers, since their philosophy is not to use OpenGL/the graphics card for desktop fx....so I wonder why Quinn Storm is on the gOS Dev Team then?

farruinn
February 13th, 2008, 05:55 AM
...so I wonder why Quinn Storm is on the gOS Dev Team then?

Admittedly, my comment about E not using OpenGL was based on a comment Rasterman made on irc probably more than a year ago now. I don't know if he had considered compositing for E18 at that point.

I think it's interesting that gOS uses E17, but I don't know anything more about it than that. Does gOS in fact use compositing and/or gpu fx? Their website is rather sparse.

RAV TUX
February 13th, 2008, 06:03 AM
Admittedly, my comment about E not using OpenGL was based on a comment Rasterman made on irc probably more than a year ago now. I don't know if he had considered compositing for E18 at that point.

I think it's interesting that gOS uses E17, but I don't know anything more about it than that. Does gOS in fact use compositing and/or gpu fx? Their website is rather sparse.You'll have to ask them directly: on IRC Freenode #gos